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tennislover
Jun 17th, 2005, 12:03 PM
(JFK, Princess Diana etc)


I do.

Kelly
Jun 17th, 2005, 03:33 PM
yes i do.

it was not a plane that hit the pentigon....there was this vidio online all about it and it was pretty convincing...i went to show it to someone a few months later and it said that due to increasing pressure from the authoritys they had to take it off.

another...more recent one i heard was about the tsuami....whether this is true or not i dont know but japan were apparently testing nukes in the ocean and this triggered the earthquake which led to the tsunami....what made people suspicous was that japan donated a significant amount of money as soon as it happend and normally they dont give anything near these amounts of money in such incidents ...on one of the islands the governer wouldnt let any media or aid into the nothern part of the island...it is believed this is where some of the japense were based. whether its true or not who knows

Helen Lawson
Jun 17th, 2005, 03:39 PM
Generally not, though I am convinced that Price Waterhouse screwed up the vote counting for the 1947 Best Actress Oscar. Come on, the Farmer's Daughter over Smash Up: The Story of a Woman? Someone had to be kidding.

Kelly
Jun 17th, 2005, 03:40 PM
you were robbed.

Helen Lawson
Jun 17th, 2005, 03:43 PM
you were robbed.

Tell me about it! The Daily Variety Poll that had been taken for years and was taken for several years after that had me and Roz Russell (Mourning Becomes Electra) in dead heat for the Oscar, with Roz holding a slight lead over me. They had Loretta Young in LAST place for "The Bishop's Wife" when she'd been nominated for "The Farmer's Daughter," a LIGHT romantic comedy. Young ends up winning? The Daily Variety Poll was accurate for all the other awards for that night. Something went on, but I don't know what.

Kelly
Jun 17th, 2005, 03:56 PM
she proberly slept with the head of the voting commitee.....its happened.

tennislover
Jun 17th, 2005, 06:09 PM
i don't know, guys, life often is more complicated than it seemed to be.....

James
Jun 17th, 2005, 06:55 PM
The only reason they exist is that people want to hear everything, except the truth.

I guess that makes you an expert on what is the truth then? ;)

tennislover
Jun 17th, 2005, 06:56 PM
I guess that makes you an expert on what is the truth then? ;)

;)

-Kieron-
Jun 17th, 2005, 07:01 PM
The only reason they exist is that people want to hear everything, except the truth.

Yeah I agree with this actually.

-Kieron-
Jun 17th, 2005, 07:08 PM
(JFK, Princess Diana etc)


I do.

Diana? Please dont go there. Classic example of people looking for excuses and reasons not to deal with a tragic accident.

And JFK? :haha:

Lord Nelson
Jun 17th, 2005, 07:11 PM
How dare you don't believe that Diana was not a conspiracy theory. After all Mohammad Fayed insists that this is the case :lol:

Martian Willow
Jun 17th, 2005, 07:25 PM
All conspiracy theories are created and disseminated by the CIA to distract people's attention from what the government is really doing.

It's a conspiracy.

tennislover
Jun 17th, 2005, 07:25 PM
Diana? Please dont go there. Classic example of people looking for excuses and reasons not to deal with a tragic accident.

And JFK? :haha:
1) a tragic accident? mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
2) can you explain me how could just one man do that?

Martian Willow
Jun 17th, 2005, 07:28 PM
2) can you explain me how could just one man do that?

How many people does it take to shoot someone? Someone in an open top car? On a busy street? With public buildings overlooking it? :confused:

-Kieron-
Jun 17th, 2005, 07:32 PM
1) a tragic accident? mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
2) can you explain me how could just one man do that?

Yes, an accident.

And two, easily. :rolleyes:

tennislover
Jun 17th, 2005, 07:33 PM
How many people does it take to shoot someone? Someone in an open top car? On a busy street? With public buildings overlooking it? :confused:

in a moving open top car....a lot of metres away......

moreover the gunshot came from a place in front of the president....

tennislover
Jun 17th, 2005, 07:35 PM
Yes, an accident.



yes with the driver who seemed to be the most misterious man ever lived in France :rolleyes:

Martian Willow
Jun 17th, 2005, 07:36 PM
in a moving open top car....a lot of metres away......

moreover the gunshot came from a place in front of the president....

It wasn't that far away...considering LHO was an ex-military crack shot...certainly within his range...given he had three goes.

What makes you think the gunshot came from in front?

canadian_bass_2
Jun 17th, 2005, 07:39 PM
I totally believe in quite a few conspiracy theories.

I don't believe in the Diana one. I think she died. It's sad, get over it.

JFK, omg, totally. One man did NOT fire all those shots from the same angle. "Magic bullet" my ass.

TuPac. That man is SOOOO still alive. He's still releasing albums. HAS NO ONE THOUGHT THAT THIS IS A LITTLE STRANGE?

Aliens...not too sure. I mean, I'd probably be super interested if I found out that aliens were real, but I know that people down in Jesusland would have the same heart attack that they had a hundred years ago when the dinosaur bones were discovered.

I mean, I could go on, but I won't, mostly because I can't think of too many more...but the thing is, I think that there ARE certain things that the governments try to hide from us, but whatever...it's for our own protection.

-Kieron-
Jun 17th, 2005, 07:39 PM
yes with the driver who seemed to be the most misterious man ever lived in France :rolleyes:

I honestly think some people on this board dont have a brain...

tennislover
Jun 17th, 2005, 07:39 PM
It wasn't that far away...considering LHO was an ex-military crack shot...certainly within his range...given he had three goes.

What makes you think the gunshot came from in front?

did you see the Zakpruder film?
a lot of witnesses saw the shots from there

-Kieron-
Jun 17th, 2005, 07:41 PM
did you see the Zakpruder film?
a lot of witnesses saw the shots from there

Yes, eyewitnesses, cos it hasnt been proved that the testament of eye witnesses is incorrect about 50% of the time.

Read a book, maybe you will learn something.

tennislover
Jun 17th, 2005, 07:43 PM
JFK, omg, totally. One man did NOT fire all those shots from the same angle. "Magic bullet" my ass.


Aliens...not too sure. I mean, I'd probably be super interested if I found out that aliens were real, but I know that people down in Jesusland would have the same heart attack that they had a hundred years ago when the dinosaur bones were discovered.

I mean, I could go on, but I won't, mostly because I can't think of too many more...but the thing is, I think that there ARE certain things that the governments try to hide from us, but whatever...it's for our own protection.

I agree.....

Aliens? I believe in their existence! :scared:

_LuCaS_
Jun 17th, 2005, 07:43 PM
There was this short movie "Did we really land on the moon?"
Disturbing at least

PaulieM
Jun 17th, 2005, 07:45 PM
not seriously but they are interesting sometimes.

Martian Willow
Jun 17th, 2005, 07:46 PM
did you see the Zakpruder film?
a lot of witnesses saw the shots from there

People saw shots? :awww:

I saw the front of his head come off = shot was from the rear. :)

tennislover
Jun 17th, 2005, 07:46 PM
Read a book, maybe you will learn something.

Speaking of which, thousands of books support conspiracy theory aobut JFK...... :shrug:

tennislover
Jun 17th, 2005, 07:47 PM
People saw shots? :awww:

I saw the front of his head come off = shot was from the rear. :)

from the rear? mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

tennislover
Jun 17th, 2005, 07:48 PM
There was this short movie "Did we really land on the moon?"
Disturbing at least

true

-Kieron-
Jun 17th, 2005, 07:48 PM
Speaking of which, thousands of books support conspiracy theory aobut JFK...... :shrug:

And I wonder why that is, would it be to make money? :rolleyes: Or am I just too cynical? :o

And do any of them have solid facts, or just speculation....we can all speculate. Anyway bored of this argument. Bye :wavey:

tennislover
Jun 17th, 2005, 07:50 PM
And I wonder why that is, would it be to make money? :rolleyes: Or am I just too cynical? :o

And do any of them have solid facts, or just speculation....we can all speculate. Anyway bored of this argument. Bye :wavey:


:wavey:

canadian_bass_2
Jun 17th, 2005, 07:51 PM
JFK thing is totally real. LHO was totally a fall guy, just cause he was a communist during the cold war. I've watched many documentaries and films about it, cause it's interesting.

Oh, I also think that Pope John Paul 2 died before they told us. But only by maybe a day or two, nothing serious.

I also WISH that the Da Vinci Code was real...that'd be cool...just cause it would hopefully teach the Christians to calm down a little...

Martian Willow
Jun 17th, 2005, 07:53 PM
from the rear? mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Yes. It's simple ballistics. :)

:wavey:

tennislover
Jun 17th, 2005, 07:54 PM
JFK thing is totally real. LHO was totally a fall guy, just cause he was a communist during the cold war. I've watched many documentaries and films about it, cause it's interesting.

Oh, I also think that Pope John Paul 2 died before they told us. But only by maybe a day or two, nothing serious.

I also WISH that the Da Vinci Code was real...that'd be cool...just cause it would hopefully teach the Christians to calm down a little...

you know, a lot of powerful men were interested in President's death....

canadian_bass_2
Jun 17th, 2005, 07:54 PM
I'm sorry if it seems like I've got a hate-on for Christians, it's really just the fundamentalists that I can't stand. I think everything should be about balance and moderation. If I took a random book and decided that what that author said was a "god" and made a religion out of it, we could all be sitting here and believing that our "God" was a chicken and that one day it would release serious wrath upon Earth and make the very sky collapse...

tennislover
Jun 17th, 2005, 07:54 PM
Yes. It's simple ballistics. :)

:wavey:

:wavey:

Helen Lawson
Jun 17th, 2005, 07:55 PM
Oh, just for the record, Lisle Von Rhoman does exist and there is a significant population of the living dead in Beverly Hills. I was too cheap to pay for the potion and I didn't want to drop out of site or fake my own death, I mean, my public is my tonic!

canadian_bass_2
Jun 17th, 2005, 07:57 PM
Oh, and to append to that (and I KNOW I'm gonna be bad-repped for this one), I think that Christianity has been used in the western world to pacify the masses. It's a strange and interesting religion, but it seems like it makes one person (pope) too powerful for my liking. It's like a religious dictatorship. Ick.

tennislover
Jun 17th, 2005, 07:58 PM
Oh, just for the record, Lisle Von Rhoman does exist and there is a significant population of the living dead in Beverly Hills. I was too cheap to pay for the potion and I didn't want to drop out of site or fake my own death, I mean, my public is my tonic!

:)

Martian Willow
Jun 17th, 2005, 07:59 PM
Oh, and to append to that (and I KNOW I'm gonna be bad-repped for this one), I think that Christianity has been used in the western world to pacify the masses. It's a strange and interesting religion, but it seems like it makes one person (pope) too powerful for my liking. It's like a religious dictatorship. Ick.

You're full of original thoughts, aren't you? :)

tennislover
Jun 17th, 2005, 07:59 PM
Oh, and to append to that (and I KNOW I'm gonna be bad-repped for this one), I think that Christianity has been used in the western world to pacify the masses. It's a strange and interesting religion, but it seems like it makes one person (pope) too powerful for my liking. It's like a religious dictatorship. Ick.

you know, there is speech (and thinking) freedom here.....

canadian_bass_2
Jun 17th, 2005, 08:01 PM
you know, there is speech (and thinking) freedom here.....
I know...it's just that some people would find that terribly offensive, and I do understand that, and I feel bad for offending...but, it's what I think. I could very well be wrong...but so could they.

canadian_bass_2
Jun 17th, 2005, 08:02 PM
Anywho, I NEED to go to the grocery store now. hahaha :wavey:

tennislover
Jun 17th, 2005, 08:03 PM
Anywho, I NEED to go to the grocery store now. hahaha :wavey:

:wavey:

James
Jun 17th, 2005, 08:07 PM
I honestly think some people on this board dont have a brain...

:p Some people just have a different vision.

tennislover
Jun 17th, 2005, 08:11 PM
:p Some people just have a different vision.

I love you. :kiss:

James
Jun 17th, 2005, 08:38 PM
It has nothing to do with intelligence or having a different vision, it has to do with how much time people are willing to put to check if a given conspiracy makes sense or not, and if people are using credible sources.

Take any conspiracy, go on google, type it, and you'll come across an university website (that ends with "edu", not some www.thetruththeydontwantyoutoknow.com (http://www.thetruththeydontwantyoutoknow.com/) website) debunking the conspiracy from A to Z.

Still, even if it comes from a university, it's not certain it's the complete truth.

tennislover
Feb 26th, 2006, 02:56 PM
yes with the driver who seemed to be the most misterious man ever lived in France :rolleyes:


Diana driver was a secret informer
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-2059052,00.html

Dawn Marie
Feb 26th, 2006, 03:44 PM
I believe that some people's minds are ruled by power and deception. I believe that people/ a team of people can cover up truths to protect themselves from exposure. When people are doing many terrible and inhumane crimes they will do whatever it takes to cover up their deceit.

consiracy theories that I believe are really a cover up to not protect us t(he good people) but to protect the bad bad people.

1. Marilyn Monroe-was killed. I don't believe that she commited suicide.

2.JFK was not killed by Oswald. Oswald was a pansy. Jack Ruby killed him for a reason and it sure was't cause he was charged with shooting the president of the US.

3. Aliens exist. I believe that area 51 is used for experiements. Not sure yet if it is good or bad. Maybe both. lol (The Roswell UFO crash site is real). Americans are so arrogant that we should not think we are the only life form out there that can learn how to fly.

4.Police Stations- cover up crimes that there employees make all the time.

Wiggly
Feb 26th, 2006, 04:00 PM
I believa in Diana thing :sad:

The other one who I'm obsseded about it is the Romanov (Anastatia,etc).
I'm sure they killed Nicolas but I'm also sure one (or more) children survives :)

Of what I read, Olga and Tatiana are died 100% sure. But when they discovered bodies, they didn't find 2 bodies, 2 childrens bodies. I read it's Anastasia and Alexi or Maria and Alexi :)

*JR*
Feb 26th, 2006, 04:09 PM
I believa in Diana thing :sad:

The other one who I'm obsseded about it is the Romanov (Anastatia,etc).
I'm sure they killed Nicolas but I'm also sure one (or more) children survives :)

Of what I read, Olga and Tatiana are died 100% sure. But when they discovered bodies, they didn't find 2 bodies, 2 childrens bodies. I read it's Anastasia and Alexi or Maria and Alexi :)
Sympathy For The Devil
The Rolling Stones -
(written by: Jagger/Richards)

Please allow me to introduce myself, I'm a man of wealth and taste
I've been around for a long, long year, Stole many a man's soul and faith
And I was 'round when Jesus Christ, Had his moment of doubt and pain
Made damn sure that Pilate, Washed his hands and sealed his fate

CHORUS: Pleased to meet you Hope you guess my name
But what's puzzling you Is the nature of my game

I stuck around St. Petersberg, When I saw it was a time for a change
Killed the Czar and his ministers, Anastasia screamed in vain
I rode a tank, Held a general's rank, When the Blitzkrieg raged, And the bodies stank

CHORUS

I watched with glee, While your kings and queens
Fought for ten decades, For the Gods they made
I shouted out, "Who killed the Kennedys?"
When after all, It was you and me
Let me please introduce myself, I'm a man of wealth and taste
And I laid traps for troubadors, Who get killed before they reached Bombay

CHORUS

Just as every cop is a criminal, And all the sinners Saints
As heads is tails, Just call me Lucifer, 'Cause I'm in need of some restraint
So if you meet me, Have some courtesy, Have some sympathy, and some taste
Use all your well-learned politesse, Or I'll lay your soul to waste, um yeah

CHORUS

Rising Sun
Feb 26th, 2006, 04:09 PM
I believe that some people's minds are ruled by power and deception. I believe that people/ a team of people can cover up truths to protect themselves from exposure. When people are doing many terrible and inhumane crimes they will do whatever it takes to cover up their deceit.

consiracy theories that I believe are really a cover up to not protect us t(he good people) but to protect the bad bad people.

1. Marilyn Monroe-was killed. I don't believe that she commited suicide.

2.JFK was not killed by Oswald. Oswald was a pansy. Jack Ruby killed him for a reason and it sure was't cause he was charged with shooting the president of the US.

3. Aliens exist. I believe that area 51 is used for experiements. Not sure yet if it is good or bad. Maybe both. lol (The Roswell UFO crash site is real). Americans are so arrogant that we should not think we are the only life form out there that can learn how to fly.

4.Police Stations- cover up crimes that there employees make all the time.
Why do you think Marilyn Monroe was killed? I'm not familiar with the context... :confused:

smiler
Feb 26th, 2006, 04:17 PM
You gotta love a good conspiracy theory :hearts: not sure if i belive any though, maybe some are right some are wrong -it's unlikely we'll ever find out so it's all just speculation really.

Rising Sun
Feb 26th, 2006, 04:17 PM
yes i do.

it was not a plane that hit the pentigon....there was this vidio online all about it and it was pretty convincing...i went to show it to someone a few months later and it said that due to increasing pressure from the authoritys they had to take it off.

another...more recent one i heard was about the tsuami....whether this is true or not i dont know but japan were apparently testing nukes in the ocean and this triggered the earthquake which led to the tsunami....what made people suspicous was that japan donated a significant amount of money as soon as it happend and normally they dont give anything near these amounts of money in such incidents ...on one of the islands the governer wouldnt let any media or aid into the nothern part of the island...it is believed this is where some of the japense were based. whether its true or not who knows
What did hit the Pentagon then? :confused:

*abby*
Feb 26th, 2006, 06:32 PM
it was a missile. looking at the shape of the holes in the building it all makes sense
i believe diana was killed and that it wasnt an accident

SelesFan70
Feb 26th, 2006, 07:00 PM
Most of the time things are what they are.

Edward.
Feb 26th, 2006, 07:14 PM
I'll never believe in a million years LHO was the sole killer of JFK.

In fact, evidence was found that suggested LHO was standing in a doorway at the time of JFK's shooting.

Rising Sun
Mar 4th, 2006, 05:46 PM
Bump

-sugi-
Mar 4th, 2006, 06:18 PM
I do, I am interested in conspiracy theories as well

PamShriverRockz
Mar 4th, 2006, 07:36 PM
I must admit I love conspiracy theories. They're really interesting. But I don't believe in hardly any of them. Sometimes we look for reasons to why crazy things happen in life because we can't just accept that they happen randomly.
But there are definately cover-ups though, there are definately things that can be kept quiet.

Diana - I doubt she was murdered. But the whole case is a little odd. If only she'd worn a seat-belt she probably would have survived though!
JFK - definately a cover-up here....but don't believe a word of the JFK film ;)
Moon Landing "hoax" - bull ;)
Crop circles - People having a laugh
Aliens - there MUST be more life out there! but whether they have visited us.....

Strangelove
Mar 4th, 2006, 08:23 PM
Aliens - there MUST be more life out there! but whether they have visited us.....
God I hope not....

If they were peace-loving they would decide against handing us the technology to cure all diseases because we're bashing each other's heads in and would think us not worth helping.....bye-bye cancer-cure....
If they were war-loving they would think we were the easiest of targets because we're already bashing each other's heads in, and we can expect an invasion any minute now..... bye-bye human-race....
If they were just monitoring us we'd probably be the butt of a fair amount of extra-terrestrial funnymen, and all them aliens would be laughing their "asses" off because those hilarious humans keep bashing each other's heads in 'till they've killed every last one of their own kind..which is pretty much the same as option one because we'd never be aware of any of it
So basically, human kind is screwed........




But do I believe in conspiracy theories? Absolutely. Not.

VSFan1 aka Joshua L.
Mar 5th, 2006, 02:47 PM
I love conspiracy theories. I believe each has a little merit to them.

1 - AIDS conspiracy (see Kanye West)

2 - The plane over Pennsylvania on 9/11 was shot down by the government

3 - The whole 9/11 thing is real real fishy

PamShriverRockz
Mar 5th, 2006, 03:41 PM
2 - The plane over Pennsylvania on 9/11 was shot down by the government

3 - The whole 9/11 thing is real real fishy

I believe the plane was shot down.

Was 9/11 *that* fishy? I can't remember all the theories now ;)

VSFan1 aka Joshua L.
Mar 5th, 2006, 04:01 PM
I believe the plane was shot down.

Was 9/11 *that* fishy? I can't remember all the theories now ;)
Oh I've heard theories from Cheney/Rumsfeild behind the attack all the down to Israeli spy agents conducting the attack and taking on true Arabic names to blame it on Arab countries.

PamShriverRockz
Mar 5th, 2006, 04:11 PM
Oh I've heard theories from Cheney/Rumsfeild behind the attack all the down to Israeli spy agents conducting the attack and taking on true Arabic names to blame it on Arab countries.

I remember the rumours that the government were behind it, but not the details. I find that hard to believe, would they really risk/and in the end effectively kill thousands of lives like that....?!

Rising Sun
Mar 5th, 2006, 04:33 PM
it was a missile. looking at the shape of the holes in the building it all makes sense
i believe diana was killed and that it wasnt an accident
Where did the missle come from? :confused:

*JR*
Mar 5th, 2006, 07:32 PM
I remember the rumours that the government were behind it, but not the details. I find that hard to believe, would they really risk/and in the end effectively kill thousands of lives like that....?!
One of those killed (a passenger on the plane that hit the Pentagon) was prominent conservative lawyer Barbara Olson, wife of Bush's then Solicitor General (the #3 post in the Justice Department) Ted Olson. That alone pours some cold water on this. Re. Israel (again, if for no other reason) they wouldn't have killed a couple of hundred Jews @ random.

BTW, there was a conspiracy theory about the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing, based on the distance of the Ryder truck from the building, and other technical factors that I'm not qualified to evaluate in a meaningful way.

Wigglytuff
Mar 5th, 2006, 07:40 PM
(JFK, Princess Diana etc)


I do.
depends on the particular theory and the evidence behind it:

for example: jfk - yep
princess diana - no
moon landing - never happened.
etc..

PamShriverRockz
Mar 5th, 2006, 07:59 PM
One of those killed (a passenger on the plane that hit the Pentagon) was prominent conservative lawyer Barbara Olson, wife of Bush's then Solicitor General (the #3 post in the Justice Department) Ted Olson. That alone pours some cold water on this. Re. Israel (again, if for no other reason) they wouldn't have killed a couple of hundred Jews @ random.

BTW, there was a conspiracy theory about the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing, based on the distance of the Ryder truck from the building, and other technical factors that I'm not qualified to evaluate in a meaningful way.

Interesting...very interesting...I really cannot believe that 9/11 was a conspiracy.

I have heard before that there was a theory behind the 1995 Oklahoma bombing.

PamShriverRockz
Mar 5th, 2006, 08:02 PM
depends on the particular theory and the evidence behind it:

for example: jfk - yep
princess diana - no
moon landing - never happened.
etc..

Do you really think that about the moon landings Jiggly? I find this conspiracy theory one of the most interesting. When I first heard about it a few years ago, I was convinced but after reading up on it, I'm not ;)

http://www.apollo-hoax.me.uk/

Avid Merrion
Mar 5th, 2006, 08:09 PM
no, conspiracy theories are more of a Celtic fan thing..... :p

Chris 84
Mar 5th, 2006, 08:21 PM
no, conspiracy theories are more of a Celtic fan thing..... :p

Is that why I believe in them then??

But we won't be needing that excuse this season, will we? :devil:

SloKid
Mar 5th, 2006, 08:22 PM
Believe in them? Hell, I'm a product of one of them...:lol: j/k :p

Is that why I believe in them then??

But we won't be needing that excuse this season, will we? :devil:
:devil:

Avid Merrion
Mar 5th, 2006, 08:28 PM
Is that why I believe in them then??

But we won't be needing that excuse this season, will we? :devil:
must be :p

no you won't, but i'm sure you'll still find something to get all paranoid about :lol:

PamShriverRockz
Mar 5th, 2006, 08:38 PM
Believe in them? Hell, I'm a product of one of them...:lol: j/k :p


:devil:

:lol:

I'm convinced wtaworld is a conspiracy against er me to prevent me from having a life ;)

Rising Sun
Mar 6th, 2006, 05:30 PM
What are the theories regarding the Oklahoma bombing? :confused:

*JR*
Mar 6th, 2006, 07:09 PM
What are the theories regarding the Oklahoma bombing? :confused:
They were put out by the far right "patriot movement", which both McVeigh and Nichols were part of the more radical fringes of. The rumors were mostly that the government had strategically planted the explosives themselves, to discredit these armed militia groups, etc.

Wigglytuff
Mar 6th, 2006, 07:27 PM
Do you really think that about the moon landings Jiggly? I find this conspiracy theory one of the most interesting. When I first heard about it a few years ago, I was convinced but after reading up on it, I'm not ;)

http://www.apollo-hoax.me.uk/
ok the main point for him seens to be:
yes the flag does have a crossbar, but theres wind too. its a stiff movement but to irregular to be caused by a crossbar. http://www.apollo-hoax.me.uk/flag_waving.html

also, for me thats not even the main thing, for the main thing has always been why have their been no moon landings in the past say 10-15. do you know how much money can be made from moon rocks? to me it seems old that something that is so clearly a goldmine has been untouched for so long. if nothing else the gov. could make billions offering once in a lifetime trips to the moon for the super super wealth. charge say 4 billion a trip, bet there are people out there who would pay it.

K.U.C.W-R.V
Mar 6th, 2006, 07:36 PM
3 - The whole 9/11 thing is real real fishy

...Oh I've heard theories from Cheney/Rumsfeild behind the attack all the down to Israeli spy agents conducting the attack and taking on true Arabic names to blame it on Arab countries.

I'll assume you don't REALLY believe that.

RVD
Mar 7th, 2006, 01:23 AM
Isn't a conspiracy theory only a conspiracy theory until proven true? :hehehe:
And the government most definitely keeps information from it's people, so why would government conspiracy theories be unbelievable under that context? :shrug:

Did we walked on the moon...?
Pa-lease! They couldn't even get the background lighting right. :lol: talk about your worldwide scam.

JFK killed by LHO...?
Seriously doubt it. To think that this mousy jittery guy could possibly pick a gnat of a target off at that distance? Don't think so.

Princess Diana...
This is a tough one because so many didn't want this union to happen. Especially the Royals.
But I think that it was one of those freak accidents that suddenly happened.
However, I suppose that the driver could have been plied with enough drugs to make it seem like he was just drunk. Again, tough one.
As to whether she's still alive? Doubt it.

Existence of aliens...?
Well of course there are aliens. People just don't want to believe because it conflicts with their religious doctrines. It's amazing how arrogant we humans are. As vast as the universe is, to think that we are its only occupants is absurd? :lol: Come on, really. How logical does that really sound.

MLK Jr...
Was definitely killed by the government, or at the very very least, with the government's assistance. Otherwise, why in the world would the government seal the findings and set the expiration date for when we're all dead and gone?

9/11...
Allowed to happened. :hehehe:
Also, I don't believe a plan hit the Pentagon. The damage just doesn't jibe. :scratch:

How about the existence of the Illuminati? :confused:
It's possible, only because man screws up everything he touches.
And this world is definitely screwed up in a very human way. :devil:

The theory of whether I exist? -
Highly debatable. :tape: :lol:

Solitaire
Mar 7th, 2006, 02:33 AM
People are conspired against everyday. I'm sure there's some truth in the well-known conspiracy theories.

Fingon
Mar 7th, 2006, 05:39 AM
no,

there are of course things that they don't tell us but.

Most conspiracy theories fail in one or more of the following:

1) They fail to provide a valid reason, that's the failure for example with the Diana theory or the Marilyn Monroe. As famous and loved they were, they were really not important in the political and economic context, the US or British intelligence services have more important things to worry about.
2) They enumarate a number of "facts", as hard evidence, and they are really only speculating, because they certainly don't have access to that kind of information. The fact that they affirm things as they were verified damages their credibility, badly.
3) They normally are way too complicated, there are too many people involved, it would be virtually impossible to keep everyone's mouth shut, there is always someone that gets drunk, or trusts someone, and there are too many things that have to go right, way too many.

There are cases were they don't tell us the truth (understandanbly some times), but they are not really conspiracies, but difficult decisions that have to be made.

I do think the Pennsylvania plane was shot down, but that's hardly a conspiracy, the government took the decision to shoot the plane down rather that letting it hit another target, of course they can't say that and of course, it's just an opinion, I have no way to know what really happened.

Some cases the theories fail to give a valid reason. Example, the Pope, the most recent theories say that the KGB wanted to kill him because of his influence in Poland, blah, blah.

First, the Pope was never that important, he didn't defeat communism, the economy laws did. Second, if the KGB wanted to kill him, he would have died, they wouldn't use an amateur for that.

there are even books, long time believed to be historically correct, like the Protocols of the learned elders of Zion, which is an invention, and it's documented it is, but people believe what they want to believe.

PamShriverRockz
Mar 7th, 2006, 07:19 AM
ok the main point for him seens to be:
yes the flag does have a crossbar, but theres wind too. its a stiff movement but to irregular to be caused by a crossbar. http://www.apollo-hoax.me.uk/flag_waving.html

also, for me thats not even the main thing, for the main thing has always been why have their been no moon landings in the past say 10-15. do you know how much money can be made from moon rocks? to me it seems old that something that is so clearly a goldmine has been untouched for so long. if nothing else the gov. could make billions offering once in a lifetime trips to the moon for the super super wealth. charge say 4 billion a trip, bet there are people out there who would pay it.

The flag poll was being moved by the Astronaut though. There are no photos or evidence of the flag "moving" on it's own. (not that I know of anyway ;) )

I know it is an interesting issue why there have been no more Moon landings since.
I don't think we should underestimate the impact of the race with the Russians. The cost of space travel too is astronomical (no pun intended ;) ). I think the reason to why they haven't developed the idea of taking people into space is the simple fact that Space travel is still extremely dangerous. I'm currently reading "Moon Dust" a book about space travel (it's excellent) and it quotes astronauts saying they realise they probably have a 50:50 chance of returning home safely. 50:50!! :eek:

I think the Challenger disaster did a lot of damage to NASA's plan to take "ordinary" people into space too. Until they can guarantee safer space travel I don't see how they could start providing this service.
Plus, the huge cost of it all really does effect things. What's the point? No Russians to beat. Countries are more concerned with spending money on defense weapons now :rolleyes:

But it's an interesting topic!

PamShriverRockz
Mar 7th, 2006, 07:42 AM
Did we walked on the moon...?
Pa-lease! They couldn't even get the background lighting right. :lol: talk about your worldwide scam.

;) Background light is wrong? How so?
http://pirlwww.lpl.arizona.edu/~jscotti/NOT_faked/nasa.gif
I know people said there was an extra light source other than the sun in these type of images. It is scattered light from the bright sun.
http://pirlwww.lpl.arizona.edu/~jscotti/NOT_faked/nasa8.gif
The glint of sunlight on the top left part of the astronaut's visor. Bright sunlight impinges on many lunar photographs. As a photographer myself, I know only too well about lens flare when taking photos towards a bright light! Although I've never tried taking photos of the sun like that directly ;)

Princess Diana...
This is a tough one because so many didn't want this union to happen. Especially the Royals.
But I think that it was one of those freak accidents that suddenly happened.
However, I suppose that the driver could have been plied with enough drugs to make it seem like he was just drunk. Again, tough one.
As to whether she's still alive? Doubt it.

I totally agree. It's interesting that the main person who has been pushing the conspiracy theory has been Mohammed Al-Fayed himself. Why? Because it was HIS employer who drove the car, HIS employer who was drunk etc. I think he has been pushing this theory because at the end of the day it shifts the blame/responsiblity away from him. Given that he lost his son, it is very understandable.

Lol I love these debates ;)