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tennisIlove09
Jun 6th, 2005, 04:36 PM
...the three best players currently without a major. Will they ever be able to win a major? Clearly Roland Garros wasn't good for any of them...however, they had decent draws (Clijsters drawing Davenport was more of a bad draw for Lindsay, considering the H2H), and yet they all lost early.

At Wimbledon and the US Open, you have to like Davenport, Sharapova, Serena, Venus more than those three players. I just wonder if they can ever put it together. Especially former "#1's" Amelie and Kim.

wateva
Jun 6th, 2005, 04:50 PM
i think kim losing to lindsay is more justifiable considering lindsay is the number one player in the world.

rottweily
Jun 6th, 2005, 05:02 PM
Well I think Kim will be the first to win a slam of those three.

miffedmax
Jun 6th, 2005, 05:07 PM
The bright side for Elena is that she has cut down the surprise first round eliminations this year. You have to be playing in the 2nd week to win. She has about a 3 year window to win one, I think. I also think that never having been a Number One, she's under a little less pressure than the other two.

I think Kim is just a matter of time.

I think Amelie is unlikely to win one, which is too bad she seems to be a great person and a great athlete, just too mentally fragile.

AlwaysGraf
Jun 6th, 2005, 05:13 PM
Kim owns Lindsay. I 'm sure she'll restore order when they meet again, even at Wimbledon! Amelie, I always said she would win a slam, but with each slam that passes I have greater doubts! Still think she can do deep into the second week this Wimbledon. Dementieva, who knows!

Helen Lawson
Jun 6th, 2005, 05:14 PM
I see Elena doing it first, if any of them do. I'm not sure why. Maybe it's because she seems more pissed off after a choke than the other two.

Nicjac
Jun 6th, 2005, 05:14 PM
Well I think Kim will be the first to win a slam of those three.

:yeah: Prob USO

Lindsay is a serious contender though (remember 2004) and Justine as well.

ys
Jun 6th, 2005, 05:20 PM
I think that Amelie is past any serious probability of winning a Slam..

selyoink
Jun 6th, 2005, 05:25 PM
I don't think Mauresmo will ever win one. I'm not sure about either Clijsters or Dementieva. If Lena D. can ever get a decent serve I think she will win a grand slam. Clijsters can win one as long as she does not play Justine in the final.

Jenny.C.Fan
Jun 6th, 2005, 05:42 PM
I actually think schynder is one of the most(if not the most) talented players not to win a major, i think she missed a big chance last week. I don't see dementieva winning a grandslam, amelie i really hope she can do it i think maybe wimbledon will be the one she will win if she does, kim im not so sure about either.

Nicjac
Jun 6th, 2005, 05:54 PM
I actually think schynder is one of the most(if not the most) talented players not to win a major, i think she missed a big chance last week.

Right on! But she won Zurich, that's our Swiss GS!

bandabou
Jun 6th, 2005, 06:01 PM
For them to win one it means: not having to face a Serena or Justine...and then of the three Kim is the strongest one mentally and consistent...and that is the more astonishing part: She´s won big titles before yet she still crumbles in the majors.

saki
Jun 6th, 2005, 06:02 PM
I don't see Elena D winning a slam. I don't think she has the mental fortitude to fix her serve. I think Amelie has about another year or so when she could still do it and I think it's possible, if unlikely. What I picture happening with Kim is that she'll continue at her current level, not quite winning slams for a couple of years, have some more problems with injuries and, in the twilight of her career, storm back and win a slam, perhaps even two before she retires.

Wojtek
Jun 6th, 2005, 06:07 PM
Dementieva won't win Grand Slam. To win big event you have to beat top players and her H2H against top players is very negative.

Amelie beat only two players from top ten in Grand Slam ( Davenport and Jenny) so probably she won't win too

lukehingis
Jun 6th, 2005, 06:12 PM
It's only a matter of time for Kim... (I'm guessing Aus Open 2006)

I think ElenaD might surprise everyone... once her serve is fixed and her confidence up, she's a threat.. she was fearless in reaching the USO finals in 2004

I think Amelie is the least likely to win a slam.. her 3rd Rd lost to Ivanovic adds more weight to my arguement... she'll just win the tier 1's and lose before the Finals in the slams...

blumaroo
Jun 6th, 2005, 06:58 PM
Kim best game out of them all and should win a slam first.
Amelie is a mental case and has often troubles with powerplayers who can out hit her. Elena has that major weakness that will never get fixed.

Chances for Amelie and Elena are very slim.

K.U.C.W-R.V
Jun 6th, 2005, 07:06 PM
I wouldnt put Elena in the same talent bracket as Amelie & certainly not Kim.

LostGlory
Jun 6th, 2005, 07:18 PM
...the three best players currently without a major. Will they ever be able to win a major? Clearly Roland Garros wasn't good for any of them...however, they had decent draws (Clijsters drawing Davenport was more of a bad draw for Lindsay, considering the H2H), and yet they all lost early.

At Wimbledon and the US Open, you have to like Davenport, Sharapova, Serena, Venus more than those three players. I just wonder if they can ever put it together. Especially former "#1's" Amelie and Kim.

There is Wimbeldon to consider before that and Amelie has a good chance at that...
Kim and Elna have a great chance at the USOPEN especially Kim who proved she is the better player on hard courts earlier this year....

I guess it is too early to write these players off just yet....they will break through some how especially Kim....there is a greatness to her that hasn't flourished yet....

I like Elena, but it is not fair to put her in the same category as Amelie and Kim....they are better all around by far.....

Justineladivine
Jun 6th, 2005, 07:25 PM
If there's any kind of logic in tennis as it stands today, Kim should not get one but several slams. I mean she's been very close a couple of times and is very convincing on fast surfaces (I'm still surprised how easily she prevailed over Maria last time they met). Now Elena and Amelie still have their chances. After all, nobody would have bet a penny on Conchita (whom I'm very fond of) winning Wimbledon and she did it against Navratilova, no less. (and no, I don't believe in the "fluke theory" there as I don't believe in statements such as "she'll never make it unless she fixes this or that". ANY player can be on a roll one day). I hope they will make it (for the 3 girls themselves and for their fans).

Justineladivine
Jun 6th, 2005, 07:27 PM
I like Elena, but it is not fair to put her in the same category as Amelie and Kim....they are better all around by far.....

Not sure about that. Elena D with a good serve could be trickier to beat anywhere

lucashg
Jun 6th, 2005, 07:37 PM
Dementieva's biggest chance was against Myskina at Roland Garros, but apparently she missed that one badly. She was on a roll at the US Open too, but Kuznetsova is more talented than her and has a serve, I'm afraid.

Kim's too good to be slamless, I agree. I hope she wins this year's US Open or next year's Australian Open. Definitely, the hardcourts slams are where her bigger chances lie. She has the game to beat everyone, but just lacks mental strenghtness at the slams. Amelie is another amazing player that should win a slam. She also can win any of them if she overcomes her mental issues, even the French Open is possible.

I'd love to see Kim vs Amelie in a final, I hope it happens at this year's US Open or in Wimbledon, if Justine doesn't get there.

Tennisaddict
Jun 6th, 2005, 07:45 PM
Well as long as they don't hang up their rackets anything could happen. Who would have ever thought that Myskina would win a slam?

All three have the possibility but their chances are slimming down especially for Amelie and Dementieva. I do see Kim win a major though at any slam. As long as she doesn't face the WS or Henin in her draw. That's not to say that she can't beat them, but her mental fragility at slams will be exploited effectively by the aforementioned players.
I really hope Kim will win one preferably this year's US Open :yeah:.

Amelie seems to melt down under the pressure even faster than before and altough she has a good claycourt game I rate her chances to win a slam higher at Wimbledon. She is a very good volleyer, quick and has a good serve. She also seems less pressured there than in any other slam so it should be possible for her to take Wimby by surprise providing she doesn't run in against Serena again.............
Do I think she''ll ever win one? Not really.

Dementieva missed her chances last year. She could have won two slams but didn't show up at RG and was tired/injured/nervous at the Us Open, plus Svetlana was very consistent and calm. I don't think she will get this chance again because the WS might not be the dominant force they once were, but Serena is still a major threat at the majors, Kim and Justine own her on any surface and other players play her much harder now since she has become a household name in the top ten. I don't think she''ll win a slam because of the above mentioned reasons.

jfk
Jun 6th, 2005, 07:53 PM
Kim's problem is that she's not a specialist on any type of court. She's best on hardcourts, a surface that puts most players on even ground.

All three players choke at different times and in different ways:

Clijsters rarely falls early and is usually dominant in getting to finals, but can't put it together in that last match. Maybe if it's against someone besides Henin, she'll do well. She's most likely to win a major but I fear her career will end due to injury before she is able to acheive it.

Dementieva just has fluke losses, but she is generally stronger mentally than most players at most times. She can win a major as long as she avoid playing someone dominating the tour who has the intimidation factor...the past year, no one has had that but Henin is getting it back.

Mauresmo is a perennial quarterfinalist. If she were to win a GS, her run to the title probably wouldn't require a higher level of play from her...just more mental toughness during the big matches.

No Name Face
Jun 6th, 2005, 08:13 PM
Dementieva's biggest chance was against Myskina at Roland Garros, but apparently she missed that one badly. She was on a roll at the US Open too, but Kuznetsova is more talented than her and has a serve, I'm afraid.



I disagree. Again, Elena's a headcase but she beat Jenny Capriati injured and although she lost to Sveta in two close sets, she went on to beat Sveta in their two subsequent meetings, one VERY convincingly. So to say Sveta is more talented than Elena is a big overstatement.


And on to my post:
The only thing that's standing between Elena and a slam is Elena. Her serve can be good (see Indian Wells, the Charleston final [she just didn't win the big points] and the HK exhibition) and I think she's way more talented than Amelie and on par with Kim. Have you ever seen Elena's anticipation? I don't get how you can say Elena isn't as talented as Amelie or Kim...if the latter two had Elena's serving issues, do you think they'd get into the top 5? Especially Amelie!? And her H2H isn't that good against top players but that's because Elena wasn't a top player when she lost most of her matches against them...If you only count 2004, which is when Elena became an elite player (reaching two Tier 1 finals and two GS finals) she notched wins against top 10 players Capriati, Davenport, Kuznetsova, Mauresmo, Zvonareva...she also beat Sharapova, Kuznetsova, Schnyder, and Venus this year. Her talent (given that serve) is remarkable. The only top players that truly own LenaD to this day is Serena, Justine, and Kim. Three players is not bad. And these three players own most of the top 10 players as well.

So in terms of chances, I think it goes Kim > Elena >>>>>>>>>>> Amelie.

DEETHELICK
Jun 6th, 2005, 08:54 PM
Elena definitely hasn't achieved what Amelie and Kim have, but in raw talent terms, she has more weapons than either of them HUGE FH, superior offensive ability, anticipation and some of the best groundstrokes the game has seen (attested by critics, fans and haters alike).

Kim is consistent. She plays at a very high level all the time, so when she needs to adapt and respond in a clutch situation, she fails to do so.

Amelie gets crushed by nerves in the latter stages of a slam, her shots become too loopy and you can see the self belief die.

Elena's serve seems to fold when she needs it the most. Its down to her mental fortitude to use the serve that everyone has seen on the practice court.

I think Kim is the likeliest one to win a major first based on past results. However I just don't think she is as mentally together as we would all believe. There is tension. Amelie is very brittle at crunch time. Elena's mental instability is based on her serve, not her ability to go and seize opportunities.

I'd say Kim - small gap - Elena - LARGE GAP - Amelie.

Put Kim vs Elena in a GS final and I think we'd be shocked at what we saw!

shap_half
Jun 6th, 2005, 09:19 PM
I see Elena doing it first, if any of them do. I'm not sure why. Maybe it's because she seems more pissed off after a choke than the other two.

I agree. Although noone really knows what is really happening in their heads after a loss.

RG and Wimbledon '04 was Amelie's BIG CHANCE to win a GS. She could have won the double last year. There really was noone standing in her way at RG last year and she should have won that match against Serena in Wimbledon.

I think it's only a matter of time until Elena wins a GS.

Hagar
Jun 6th, 2005, 09:51 PM
For them to win one it means: not having to face a Serena or Justine...and then of the three Kim is the strongest one mentally and consistent...and that is the more astonishing part: She´s won big titles before yet she still crumbles in the majors.

Crumbles in the majors? She reached 4 finals of a major and a couple of semis. That's not what I call crumbling. If she would not have been injured last year, there would probably have been more finals. Compared with Elena and Amélie, Kim has several times been among the last 4 of a Slam, this cannot be said about Amélie and Elena D.

vertigo
Jun 6th, 2005, 10:33 PM
Kim YES YES YES
Amelie YES YES
Elena YES

Love all these playersxx

udachi Elena
Jun 6th, 2005, 10:35 PM
I think Elena is most likely to win a slam.. if she cleans up her serving she has the best chance at a slam... wimbledon doesn't look bright but she has a good record at the USO... Kim could have a chance, but she's had so many opportunities already you have to wonder if she can get over whatever stops her from winning... Amelie- honestly i don't think she has a chance of winning one.. I don't think she's a great player, she's been talked up waaaay too much

Derek.
Jun 6th, 2005, 10:36 PM
I think Elena can win a GS. Even though she may have a horrible serve, she fights like no other. They way she pulls out of tough situations is amazing. Like last year at the USO against Mauresmo and Capriati. She's one of the best fighters I've ever seen. :worship:

Kim still has time, but Amelie's is running out.

jlamire
Jun 6th, 2005, 10:44 PM
I think Elena can win a GS. Even though she may have a horrible serve, she fights like no other. They way she pulls out of tough situations is amazing. Like last year at the USO against Mauresmo and Capriati. She's one of the best fighters I've ever seen. :worship:

Kim still has time, but Amelie's is running out.
Anything can happen in sport and you all know that. Who would have predicted that Mary would reach a grand slam this year? Come on for me it has far more unpredictable than seeing one of those three winning a slam.