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FaceyFacem
Jun 5th, 2005, 08:19 PM
I like Justine. I disliked her the first time I saw her beat Kournikova at the US Open, but I knew she'd be good. I cheered for her in her first major final at Wimbledon. I cheered for her in her dramatic semifinals of 2003. But, I just can't cheer for her again. Why? I've always loved the players who had the potential to be at the top, but were never the dominant force. Michael Chang, Arantxa Sanchez-Vicario, Patrick Rafter, Kim Clijsters are some of my all time favorites. Throw in a little Kafelnikov, too. 4 of the 5 are major winners, 4 of the 5 are #1s, but none of them are Graf, Sampras, Seles, Agassi, Serena Williams, Federer. Hingis is the only player who had a dominant year that I ever really cheered for, and her 'dominance' was very short lived. I just love the players who grind it out, use their wiles, their perhaps "limited" talent but overpowering desire to come through in some big matches and upset the dominant forces in the game. I really believe it is more satisfying to cheer for players like these. When they win it is a feeling of euphoria and when they lose you can accept it, where with Steffi, Pete and the rest it almost became only "normal" for them to win, so there could only be anger when they lost with no joy when they win. Believe me, I'm a New York Yankees fan, I know what's it's like to cheer for an unstoppable force. But, I always got more out of Arantxa's '94 US Open, Kafelnikov's '96 French, and all the other triumphs of my players then most anything else. So, I'm terrified Justine is about to become one of the players I don't like anymore. Winning is too expected and the talk about her is becoming overbearing. She had a great story around her and wore the underdog tag so well, but I'm tired of her. I hope someone else wins Wimbledon this year. Sorry, Justine, but I'll be looking for your early round upset this year.

VeeReeDavJCap81
Jun 5th, 2005, 08:24 PM
She won't get past Sharapova anyway.

picklzz
Jun 5th, 2005, 08:26 PM
Everyone has their own reasons for rooting for a player.

It's good to see that people realize that Justine is on the brink of becoming one
of the all time greats of the women's game.

I personally find her grit and determination unparalleled in the men's or women's game. And because of it, I think that other players are afraid of playing her, especially in a third set of a match. :)

turt
Jun 5th, 2005, 08:31 PM
FaceyFacem, I understand what you're saying, but for me Justine is not yet the unstoppable force. Just have a look at "What are your expectations for Justine this year" thread in HHQ and you'll see nobody really expected all this success this year! I don't think we can say yet "well, just give Justine the trophy" before any tournament, especially on other surfaces than clay. She doesn't have a dominance like Serena used to in 2002 for instance.

Of course, if she goes on to win Wimby and USO 05 and all the Tier I's she enters this year as well as the Masters, then we'll talk again ;)

FaceyFacem
Jun 5th, 2005, 08:40 PM
i understand what your saying turt, but i'm just saying that if justine wins wimbledon, she'll become one of those dominant forces that although i've always respected (steffi's 99 french, sampras' 00 wimby and 02 us, etc) i never cheer for, so i hope another player wins

Deuce Court
Jun 5th, 2005, 09:07 PM
I'm a bit disappointed in hearing you say that FaceyFam. It's not that Justine is being dominant on the tour. I mean she's just a few months back on tour! And winning RG is not equal to being dominant IMO. Justine is just a very very good clay courter. But now the story will be different. Justine is not the favourite for Wimbledon. SW19 is Serena's and Maria's play turf. So you were saying that you don't like to root for a player who is most likely to win but Justine is not at all likely to win at SW19. Therefore I don't understand your 'not willing to be a fan anymore'.

OK, my explanation may sound a bit weird but i'm a bit tired so i hope you still understand... :)

nicky007
Jun 5th, 2005, 09:23 PM
I will support Justine always - whether she wins or loses. Just likes her attitude and determination.

Allez-H
Jun 5th, 2005, 09:56 PM
Well, i got that with lots of players actually, except Justine :p I used to be a huge fan of Roger The Choker, I still was a fan of his when he became roger The Sometimes Choker but now that he's Roger The Great (although he remains to win a slam this year) I find myself cheering agaisnt him mostt of the time :o

Angel_Mars
Jun 5th, 2005, 10:27 PM
You don't have to cheer for her, I'll cheer for her in your place :angel:

SJW
Jun 5th, 2005, 10:43 PM
honestly im sure she doesnt care. but welcome to the darkside nonetheless :p

i know what you mean though. its so much easier to support a player when they're not in your face all the time. i went through it with federer...loved him...now i think he makes the tour boring (not his fault i know) and some of the stuff makes he says makes me root against him.

lucashg
Jun 5th, 2005, 10:59 PM
I kinda understand that, but that only applies for me regarding my 2nd, 3rd and so on favorites. My absolute ones: Roger and Justine, I'll root for them 'til I get bored of tennis or when they retire (can't see either happening anytime soon).

I don't know, even if I've came to known them as "dominant" forces (Roger more than Justine, obviously), I don't take their wins for granted and I always enjoy when I see them playing their best tennis and winning. I don't see how I could turn against them if they're my top favorites. However, that happens to non-top favorites of mine.

See, I like Serena and Maria. They're two of my favorites, but I won't be rooting for them in Wimbledon. Serena has 2 titles there and Maria is the defending champ, I see Justine winning as more exciting than these two. But actually, that happens because I want Justine (and Roger) to be dominant. Even if that's not good for them all of the time because of pressure.

I really liked Nadal when I first watched him play last year, he became easily one of my favorites. But I don't want to see him winning so much anymore. It's not because I don't like him, don't appreciate his tennis and such, but he's not my top-favorite - that is Roger and he's who I want to dominate.

I know that sounds selfish, childish and sometimes stupid, but that's how it happens, to me at least.

The only way I could turn against Justine and Roger this year is if they both win Wimbledon, are dominant in the summer US hardcourts tournaments and face KIM or GUGA in the finals of the USO.

lucashg
Jun 5th, 2005, 11:05 PM
federer...loved him...now i think he makes the tour boring (not his fault i know) and some of the stuff makes he says makes me root against him.

Nadal made the clay season boring for me (not his fault, I know), and some of the stuff he does on court makes me root against him.

As I said, I liked him and I still do - but I don't want him to be dominant and overshadow my top favorite, who is Federer.

I guess many people who turned against Federer had him as I have Nadal in my favorites list, right?

SJW
Jun 5th, 2005, 11:18 PM
Nadal made the clay season boring for me (not his fault, I know), and some of the stuff he does on court makes me root against him.

As I said, I liked him and I still do - but I don't want him to be dominant and overshadow my top favorite, who is Federer.

I guess many people who turned against Federer had him as I have Nadal in my favorites list, right?

what does Nadal say? lol. he seems a very intelligent and charming kid.
Fed is cool and the best but i didnt appreciate his comments about Marat as a rival and the way he answers about other players in general.

for me personality is another thing and Nadal has it in buckets.

i dont dislike Roger...i still watch his matches...i just root for other people.

as for Henin...it has nothing to do with her being a supposed rival to my faves either. she wasn't in 2000 and ive never taken to her. in fact i disliked her more before certain incidents. now im just indifferent.

lucashg
Jun 5th, 2005, 11:37 PM
what does Nadal say? lol. he seems a very intelligent and charming kid.
Fed is cool and the best but i didnt appreciate his comments about Marat as a rival and the way he answers about other players in general.

for me personality is another thing and Nadal has it in buckets.

i dont dislike Roger...i still watch his matches...i just root for other people.

as for Henin...it has nothing to do with her being a supposed rival to my faves either. she wasn't in 2000 and ive never taken to her. in fact i disliked her more before certain incidents. now im just indifferent.

I said "some of the stuff he does on court", which means his pump-fisting, goal-scoring celebrations. I never liked Hewitt's nor Roddick's, why would I like Nadal's?

Nadal has a great personality, indeed. Off-court he seems so likeable. But so is Federer, his off and on-court behavior are impecable for me and that's one of the main things I like about him. It's not only about his skills.

What comments about players? He's so respectful towards everyone it's hard to find someone more humble than him. I guess it says something when he wins all of those trophies/polls about being the coolest guy on tour. Nadal recognizes it! If you're talking about not being afraid of anyone, the Agassi comment and so on, he could've uses another words, but I still back his words because he just stated the truth. What was his comment about Safin? I think I missed that one.

And well, it's different with Justine because she wasn't as dominant as Federer. But still I want her to do well just as I want him to do. As much as I like Kim and Amelie and I wish them more success in the upcoming grass, hardcourt and indoors season more than other favorites of mine such as Serena and Maria, I'd root against them if they ever started to win too much, you know? But that's because they're not Justine. Justine could end the season unbeatable from now on and I wouldn't mind at all. That's the same with Federer. Nadal falls into the Serena, Maria category. I hope I made myself clear this time.

FaceyFacem
Jun 6th, 2005, 01:20 AM
well, i appreciate everyone's comments too! yeah, i totally respect people's reasons and i'm glad you all can respect mine too!! i like civilized threads like this one

FaceyFacem
Jun 6th, 2005, 01:47 AM
i didn't say she was, or would necessarily be, i said i'm afraid she will become one, once she won RG 03, she's won almost everything she has entered, it's getting intense!

Capster
Jun 6th, 2005, 02:19 AM
You should cheer for Justine at wimbledon since she never won there so she's an underdog in some respect

Andy.
Jun 6th, 2005, 02:40 AM
I really dont like her never have so i would like her to lose first round or get Smashed by Masha or a Williams

jenny161185
Jun 6th, 2005, 03:49 AM
Justine isnt the favoutrite for Wimby though she vould win it I cant wait for Wimbledon

SJW
Jun 6th, 2005, 08:59 AM
my mistake

when Fed got beaten by Marat at the AO and was asked if he thought he had a rival now he said something like "i dont think so...i mean its only Marat"

and hes always making sarky comments about the lack of competition he has at the top. as a self confessed Nadal fanatic and a Marat lover for years...im glad they beat him in the slams. Nadal should havbe beaten him in straights in Miami too but we all have faults ;) its all good you think Fed is impecable etc but i think its boring. he usually shows no emotion. i preferred him in the Nadal match because at least he was getting angry. there's an element of aloofness about him on court and that's great if you like that type of thing. i prefer it when players show you what they're feeling. that's the difference between you and me i guess. i like Hewitts and Roddicks celebrations when they make an out of this world shot on an important point. the celebration is fitting to the magnitude of the point ;)

i get what you're saying about Henin though. i felt like that with Venus in especially 00 and Serena in 02. the more they won the more i was happy. the beatdowns did get repetitive but i didn't mind.

I said "some of the stuff he does on court", which means his pump-fisting, goal-scoring celebrations. I never liked Hewitt's nor Roddick's, why would I like Nadal's?

Nadal has a great personality, indeed. Off-court he seems so likeable. But so is Federer, his off and on-court behavior are impecable for me and that's one of the main things I like about him. It's not only about his skills.

What comments about players? He's so respectful towards everyone it's hard to find someone more humble than him. I guess it says something when he wins all of those trophies/polls about being the coolest guy on tour. Nadal recognizes it! If you're talking about not being afraid of anyone, the Agassi comment and so on, he could've uses another words, but I still back his words because he just stated the truth. What was his comment about Safin? I think I missed that one.

And well, it's different with Justine because she wasn't as dominant as Federer. But still I want her to do well just as I want him to do. As much as I like Kim and Amelie and I wish them more success in the upcoming grass, hardcourt and indoors season more than other favorites of mine such as Serena and Maria, I'd root against them if they ever started to win too much, you know? But that's because they're not Justine. Justine could end the season unbeatable from now on and I wouldn't mind at all. That's the same with Federer. Nadal falls into the Serena, Maria category. I hope I made myself clear this time.

Greenout
Jun 6th, 2005, 09:06 AM
I don't understand this thread at all? She has for the record been
dominant on clay this year. WIMBLEDON is different, and she's not
the favorite, for one the defending champion is number #2 and
wants to win. Serena looks like she's up for WIMBLEDON too, and
she's the runner up, Lindsay won there before and is #1 right now.
Justine actually is one of the contenders; but really she's behind
them in the favorites listing IMHO.

Lady
Jun 6th, 2005, 09:12 AM
I don't understand this thread at all? She has for the record been
dominant on clay this year. WIMBLEDON is different, and she's not
the favorite, for one the defending champion is number #2 and
wants to win. Serena looks like she's up for WIMBLEDON too, and
she's the runner up, Lindsay won there before and is #1 right now.
Justine actually is one of the contenders; but really she's behind
them in the favorites listing IMHO.

But if she wins, that will make her dominant in FaceyFacem's eyes. And if she's dominant (s)he can't root for her, so (s)he root against her now, so Facey can root for her in the future.
Weird logic, but if it works for Facey! ;) lol