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Goran
Jan 3rd, 2002, 11:52 PM
Just got beaten in the semi-final at the ASB Bank Classic to Anna Smashnova of Israel 6-1, 6-4.

When is that first title going to come??

Infiniti2001
Jan 3rd, 2002, 11:59 PM
Darn!!! Heck , there goes my 10 bucks ... Methinks Anna is afraid of succeeding, so a sports psychologist should be in order PRONTO <img src="tongue.gif" border="0">

[ January 03, 2002: Message edited by: Infiniti2001 ]</p>

Blessings And Aloha
Jan 4th, 2002, 12:09 AM
Im so disappointed...Hopefully Anna can pull an upset at Sydney or Aussie.

Jeff
Jan 4th, 2002, 12:10 AM
Umm...never? I think this was Anna's best chance to earn her first title. The fact that she was defeated by Ana Smashnova...who is ranked 88th in the world, is horrible.

I just think Anna has so much pressure, wanting to end her "no title streak" that it just gets the best of her.

Vanity
Jan 4th, 2002, 12:14 AM
I was really upset that Anna lost today. It reminded me of how Coetzer used to beat Graf. Smashnova is a small player who plays extremely defensive tennis which drives an agressive player like Anna up the wall. The long match yesterday didn't help. Smashnova was also fresher, she had won her match yesterday 6-2 6-2. However, credit should be given where it's due and Smashnova played an excellent match to beat Anna in straight sets. Tough loss for Anna, but I still have faith in her. <img src="smile.gif" border="0">

-Sonic-
Jan 4th, 2002, 12:16 AM
Hopefully Tatiana can get to the final and beat Anna S so she can win her first title.

CB
Jan 4th, 2002, 01:03 AM
Pfff!!!!<br /> <img src="graemlins/firey.gif" border="0" alt="[Fiery]" />

Kournikova, always disappointing <img src="frown.gif" border="0"> I agree 101% with you Infinity, Anna needs some mental help NOW!

Rollo
Jan 4th, 2002, 01:08 AM
One thing she could do is stop doing the exhibition scene year-in year-out.

At least she picked up points here.

Martian Martin
Jan 4th, 2002, 01:25 AM
Probably the most disappointing performance from Anna that I can remember, considering the circumstances and also what was at stake, the best chance so far of lifting a title. Maybe that's what got to her. I don't think the match yesterday helped with it being so long, it must have taken a lot out of her. I know it's not much of an excuse, but that's 4 days running that she played at the same time, at a time when it was baking hot weather, that doesn't help things either.<br />Anna will be so disappointed, because really this tournament I think was either win or nothing for her, but she's got a few matches under her belt, and hopefully she'll get some good draws in Sydney and the Aussie Open.<br />She needs to play a few more tournaments like this in the year, I don't really care at the moment what tier a tournament is, the fact is Anna needs a win and I don't care where it comes from. <br />I think finally this defeat possibly raises the issue of a coach again. Maybe she needs someone to watch future opponents, because I can't imagine that she had anyone watching Smashnova's match in the last round.

One thing about Anna though, she will be back, she'll be hugely down about this loss, but she'll be back, she's a fighter.

thefreedesigner
Jan 4th, 2002, 02:42 PM
I think there will always be the possibilty that Anna can lose to a player like Smashnova. Sorry, but there it is.

I'm confident that Anna will get her first title before April. Chill people.

Lucy
Jan 4th, 2002, 04:33 PM
How many points did she get from playing this torney?

ajayares
Jan 4th, 2002, 04:34 PM
69 pts

veryborednow
Jan 4th, 2002, 04:37 PM
i really thought this would be her first title :confused:
Oh well, better luck next time, Anna

Williams Rulez
Jan 4th, 2002, 04:47 PM
How did she lose. I am so furious! :mad:

She should get some help. It is like she is afraid of winning! :(

thefreedesigner
Jan 4th, 2002, 04:52 PM
Um, she didn't choke....

she got <i> busted. </i> Big time. It's one match, it's also a new year, and I don't think anything (ie any of the tanks) that have happened previously will have anything to do with how she's going to perform this year.

Everything is going to be alright.

ajayares
Jan 4th, 2002, 04:59 PM
Originally posted by thefreedesigner
Um, she didn't choke....

I don't think anything (ie any of the tanks) that have happened previously will have anything to do with how she's going to perform this year.



Tanks previously?? what are you on about?? Anna has never tanked a match in her life.. unlike some other players...

thefreedesigner
Jan 4th, 2002, 05:04 PM
Oops...sorry, my bad!

I meant choke. (um, but on the question of tanks, there was the "alleged" episode with her and Zvereva tanking a doubles exhibition match against Huber/Schett. That's not what I meant though.)

Sorry for the misunderstanding.

ajayares
Jan 4th, 2002, 05:20 PM
ok, but since you brought up that exhibition match, this was reported by Wertheim (who has sh!t for brains)

Now if she tanked the match, then why did the first 2 sets go to tie breaker, with Anna and Natasha winning the second set, if they didn't want to win the match they could have throwed away the 2nd set.. tiebreak, and before she retired at 4-1 up in the third...
Sure it may have not been anything too serious, but why would you continue to play an exhibition event, if you are not 100%

Anyway, that is one of the many many incorrect reports in that guys book.. inparticular the one about the one in which he said Anna was not told to play in an exhibition in Vienna becuase of a tour event going on near by, a pity it was the week before the Olympics and there was NO tour events going on at all..
The Guy just writes Trash, and if he weekly column is anything to go by, I don't understand how he has a job at CNN..

babsi
Jan 4th, 2002, 05:33 PM
V disappointing loss for Anna, this tournament was all set for her to win with the weak field and the way all the 'semi-danger' players were losing early, i really hopes she gets her first title soon because the more this goes on the bigger the challenge it will be for her to get it.

thefreedesigner
Jan 4th, 2002, 05:46 PM
.. babsi, don't be too disappointed.

I actually didn't expect Anna to get to the final, and she hasn't. Smashnova has something Kournikova doesn't: a WTA Tour singles title. Hasn't Smashnova been Top 40?? Even if she did beat Smashnova, I wouldn't have fancied her chances against Panova particularly. Not at the moment - give it time.

I really think we can put this loss down to the fact that on the day, Anna (K) was not ready for that match whereas Anna (S) was.

I think that we should all be pleased that Anna is comprimising a little in the fact that she's willing to player these lower tiered tournies, thus enhancing her chances of that first elusive tour win, which will only help her confidence in the bigger ones.

babsi
Jan 4th, 2002, 05:53 PM
IMO Anna should beat Smashnova 90% of the time, yes she has a title, but it is only a semi-final of tier IV event. And I do think Anna was tired from her previous match and as Anna is very aggresive and Smashnova was running everything down which just frustrated her even more as she tried to get it over very quickly. I just think some people under-estimate Anna a lot, she has every shot in the book, but she does not know how to play it and when to play it and that is where the coach comes in...which is something she does not have.

So I think that Anna let all the pressure get to her, I know some won't agree but really Auckland was one of the most hyped events for that level tournament ever, and there were tons of photos every day of Anna, what Anna needs is to go into a tournament like this, just playing tennis, I think she let all of that get to her.

thefreedesigner
Jan 4th, 2002, 06:03 PM
Hmmm, maybe the pressure did get to Anna. I didn't see the match, but the way she was steamrollered so easily suggests that she just wasn't in the match, and it was one of those things.

That's certainly what it seems like to me.

And yes, under normal circumstances Kournikova should beat Smashnova 90% of the time. Certainly with a talent comparison.
But this was the one time in 10 it didn't happen.

... maybe this is me being a bit mellow, but these low tier events are Smashnova's bread and butter, and she knows what it takes to compete in them.

apoet29
Jan 4th, 2002, 07:47 PM
I'm as disappointed as the rest of you and I too felt that this was Anna's best chance for a title this year. However, I feel that Anna has been a pro long enough to know how to deal with these kind of playing conditions. Yes, she had a tough match in her quarterfinal, but since she is not playing doubles Anna had the rest of the day to rest and even in a post-match interview she said that she was fine. Smashnova came prepared to play and even if Anna hadn't popped a string on her racket I think Smashnova still would have won because she was in total control of the match. Anna will never win any title until she can learn to play in all kinds of conditions. I'm sorry if this sounds harsh, but I don't think the weather or the fact that Smashanova had an easier quarterfinal match should be used as an excuse for Anna's poor play yesterday.

I do think that yesterday's match shows that Anna needs help in two areas. First she desperately needs a coach who can teach her strategy and help her turn these types of matches around. Anna said in her post match interview that she was playing Smashnova's type of tennis and not her own. It is in these types of situations that Anna needs a backup plan to change the match around. Second, Anna needs the help of a sports psychologist who can give her pointers to help her deal with the constant immense pressure that she has to face all the time. I do think this tournament was overhyped as Anna's first big win and the pressure got to her quite a bit. She's going to have to learn to shut it out if she hopes to win.

joao
Jan 4th, 2002, 10:23 PM
I don't know why everybody seems to expect so much from Anna Kournikova! I think she's pretty much showed everybody that her 1st title will probably never come...why? I don't really know! Some people in this board talk about pressure, that everybody was expecting her win this one. Well it's been now almost 6 years she's been on tour and 6 years that people expect her to win a 1st one! So pressure has been here since always. And talking about pressure...do you think pressure to win a tournament will be less in a GS than in a TierIV? Give me a break. everybody feels pressure to win a title...not just ANNA! other people talked about fatigue! well let me say again that if she felt tired after 3 matches, what about 7 at a slam?

I think people really overestimate her. When she reached the SF at wimbledon in 97 (her best performance ever so far at a slam...since then a single QF last year at the AO), people saw on her the next tennis prodigy. Well I think she showed everybody was wrong about that! OK I agree she reached 3 times a final, she's been a top10 player and #1 double player in the world...but maybe that's what she is ...a very good double player but a mediocre top10 player! So probably she has a mental problem with singles matches! Who knows?! But I'm so tired to read all this crap about her!

And think about it...as long as she does not win a title, people will be talking about her, and her looks and her not winning a tournament...what will happen if she wins? At least, she has that...she will be remembered as the one who never won a single WTA tournament but was one of the wealthiest players in the world! And she's a pretty smart girl to have achieved that (Thank god for having given her such body)! So NO I don't feel sorry for her!!

thefreedesigner
Jan 4th, 2002, 10:39 PM
That's pretty cynical, joao?

joao
Jan 4th, 2002, 10:45 PM
no it is not cynical! just what I think about her and all the noise people make about her! But I might be wrong and maybe she will win the next tournament she plays (Sydney?! yeah right!!!)....but I'm very doubtful about that!

Volcana
Jan 4th, 2002, 11:10 PM
Anna is ranked #70+ for no reason. Sure she was out injured. But look how rapidly Lindsay, Venus, Amelie, Serena and Monica came back to the top ten after long layoffs. True Anna's fallen further, but her performances on her return haven't been impressive. Her choices about who and where to play haven't been impressive.

Losing to Anna Smashnova is no crime. Anna Smashnova is 25 years old, a steady tour veteran with two singles titles to her credit. 1999 Anna K would have no trouble with Anna S. But Anna K isn't as good now as that player was. I think her confidence is shot. A player who raring to go doesn't schedule a bunch of exhibitions and a Tier IV to get ready for OZ. (Okay, Venus Williams. But the last time anyone made the mistake of thinking Anna had Venus Williams-level talent was 1999.)

I think we're looking at Kournikova out inthe 2nd round at OZ. She just hasn't had time or the level of competition necessary to prepare.

joao
Jan 5th, 2002, 08:33 AM
Thanks Volcana...feels good to see that some people on this board isn't blinded by Anna'body!:wavey:

ajayares
Jan 5th, 2002, 09:45 AM
Give me a Break???
You can Bash Anna as much as you like, I don't give a sh!t what some other think, but atleast present the correct facts..

Anna is ranked #70+ for no reason

yeah, she is ranked #70 for one bloody reason and if you could see thru your bias views, you would know that the reason is, that she missed 7 1/2 mths of play (excluding the one event in San Diego in which she tried a comeback)
She was Ranked # 8 when she got injured, she didn't start to fall in the ranking becuase she lost matches.. she fell becuase she did not play.. and she is not like the other players you mentioned, such as Venus, Serena and Monica who can not play for a few mths and come back and play well straight away.. She has never done that when coming back from injury.. unfair comparison..

Why don't you compare her to Mary Pierce, she missed alot of time in 2000 from US open and didn't play too well at the beginning of 2001, did she (even those she was still struggling with injuries)

Plus when Venus was injured in 1999-2000 she did not drop out of the top 10.. did she?? and Lindsay didn't either dropped to #4 at worst, when she missed a few mths and If you call falling a few places in the ranking such as Serena (what she fell to # 11 or 12) yeah that's a huge drop out of the top 10 and Monica fell to somewhere around 13 aswell in 2000..

Sure Amelie fell to #20 and made it back into the top 10, but that is a hell of a difference from #74, don't you think??? and none of them missed the amount of time Anna has either..

Her choices about who and where to play haven't been impressive

Where the hell did you expect her to play this week, Hong Kong exhibition??? Gee some people really amaze me with their un thoughtful comments..
Sure her form has not been outstanding since coming back from injury, but it will only get better the more matches she plays..



A player who raring to go doesn't schedule a bunch of exhibitions and a Tier IV to get ready for OZ

Oh really, so you expected her to sit on her arse and play nothing for another 2 mths during the off season, she only was back for a mth at the end of the 2001 season (I am sure you would have notice that???)
Tell what else was there for her to play during the off season??? and yeah, I am sure there was plenty of other tournaments that she could have played in the first week of January??? yeah, what were the others??? Gold Coast or Hong Kong exhibition???

Or did you expect her to go straight into the Oz open with NO matches under her belt??? sound like it, if you think playing Auckland was stupid???

1999 Anna K would have no trouble with Anna S. But Anna K isn't as good now as that player was

Well that's your opinion and I don't agree, but the Anna of 99 didnot miss 7 1/2 mths of play the previous year..


I think we're looking at Kournikova out inthe 2nd round at OZ. She just hasn't had time or the level of competition necessary to prepare
Hasn't had the time to prepare?? is that a joke, she is playing Sydney, if you did not know that already, what a dumb comment..

The Gold Coast event was not full of stars either, so obviously no one going into the Oz open has had the necessary competition, according to you???

Since she does not have a seed at the Oz open, I think it might depend on the draw, inregards to how far she will go..
don't you think??


As for you joao, yeah good comment, take all day thinking that one up :confused:

marshmellow
Jan 5th, 2002, 02:46 PM
Originally posted by joao
I don't know why everybody seems to expect so much from Anna Kournikova! I think she's pretty much showed everybody that her 1st title will probably never come...why? I don't really know!

joao...http://www.freakygamers.com/smilies/s2/kao/otn/bloblaugh1.gif.....i don't understand how you can say that anna had pretty much shown that her first title will probably never come...the girl is trying very hard.... so technically she's been on the pro tour 5 and a half years already (more like less than 4 years becos of the limitations in the number of tournies she was able to play early on becos of the age restriction rule and her time off becos of injurieshttp://www.theunholytrinity.org/cracks_smileys/kao/otn/pclapping.gif) , but she's just 20 as well, to say that she'll never win a title is your opinion, but it's an unfair one...


Originally posted by joao
And talking about pressure...do you think pressure to win a tournament will be less in a GS than in a TierIV? Give me a break. everybody feels pressure to win a title...not just ANNA!

yes, everybody feels pressure to win, but not everyone gets so much attention, criticism and flak alltogether from the media for not winning each even she enters...

Originally posted by joao
I think people really overestimate her. When she reached the SF at wimbledon in 97 (her best performance ever so far at a slam...since then a single QF last year at the AO), people saw on her the next tennis prodigy. Well I think she showed everybody was wrong about that! OK I agree she reached 3 times a final, she's been a top10 player and #1 double player in the world...but maybe that's what she is ...a very good double player but a mediocre top10 player! So probably she has a mental problem with singles matches! Who knows?! But I'm so tired to read all this crap about her!

yes she has reached a slam semis and last year that quarters...but have you noticed that just when it seems anna's playing great, her progress has also been hampred by injuries? no, im not using that as the excuse to why she hasn't won a title yet, but her injuries are a factor....and unfortunately, anna's not like other players...monica for instance...who can come back from some months off and just start winning events right away... if you're so tired of reading all this crap about her then don't...

Originally posted by joao
And think about it...as long as she does not win a title, people will be talking about her, and her looks and her not winning a tournament...what will happen if she wins? At least, she has that...she will be remembered as the one who never won a single WTA tournament but was one of the wealthiest players in the world! And she's a pretty smart girl to have achieved that (Thank god for having given her such body)! So NO I don't feel sorry for her!!

and did you just say that it might actually be better if she does never win a tournament cos she's loaded anyway? give me a break...no tennis player would want to go down in the books as the highest ever ranked player in the world without winning a title and stay that way...you may not be a fan of kournikova but don't say that.....that's actually an insult to her and all the work she puts into her tennis...

volcana - yes, her confidence must still be low right now, she's losing to players she would have defeated at another point in her career with no problem at all...let's just hope she gets wins over good players under her belt in the next matches to come..and we'll see where she builds on from there...

I think we're looking at Kournikova out inthe 2nd round at OZ. She just hasn't had time or the level of competition necessary to prepare.

i think going to auckland rather than an exhibition in hongkong as she did last year was a pretty good choice to serve as a warm-up...and she's got sydney next ...the field's tougher there next week so you should like that...

btw, your prediction about a 2nd round exit isn't so improbable, especially (as i've heard) with a potential match against serena williams.... :rolleyes: ...

ajayares
Jan 5th, 2002, 02:55 PM
Originally posted by marshmellow

btw, your prediction about a 2nd round exit isn't so improbable, especially (as i've heard) with a potential match against serena williams.... :rolleyes: ...

That is the Sydney event marshmellow, the draw for the Australian open is done on Friday morning at 10.30 am melbourne time(live on the TV)

saki
Jan 5th, 2002, 03:23 PM
Anna is extraordinarily talented. I don't see how anyone could doubt that. She beat Steffi Graf on grass in 1998. That result _alone_ is evidence that she is talented. And it's not her only good result either.

She'll win titles. Martina Navratilova didn't win a title till she was 21. And although Anna is 20, she's missed so much tennis through injury that in tennis terms she's still pretty young. She's played the equivalent of maybe 2 seasons despite having been on the tour for 4 years.

marshmellow
Jan 5th, 2002, 03:44 PM
....i don't like to edit my posts anymore so i apologize...