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Doraemon
Jun 4th, 2005, 09:09 PM
Venus obviously lost early in the tournament but if she had faced Hardenne in the final, how many games do you think she could have won?

Knizzle
Jun 4th, 2005, 09:10 PM
12-14 in 2 sets. losing no more than 11 games. Who CARES!!

LucasArg
Jun 4th, 2005, 09:11 PM
This thread is ...

lindsayno1
Jun 4th, 2005, 09:12 PM
why venus?! why the thread?! Why venus over other players who got further in the tournament eg maria and lindsay?! WHY?!

Knizzle
Jun 4th, 2005, 09:13 PM
why venus?! why the thread?! Why venus over other players who got further in the tournament eg maria and lindsay?! WHY?!

You haven't figured out why yet??

martirogi
Jun 4th, 2005, 09:15 PM
none- one half.

pigam
Jun 4th, 2005, 09:15 PM
she played WITH Gimelstob, not against him.


ps: Oh, and "Tennis > the williams sisters", get it? :)

cellophane
Jun 4th, 2005, 09:17 PM
Timberlake plays tennis? :eek:

Kart
Jun 4th, 2005, 09:17 PM
896 games.

faste5683
Jun 4th, 2005, 09:19 PM
Hey! This is the first time EVER that I've used this smilie:

:rolleyes:

:lol: That's a good one.

:wavey:

Doraemon
Jun 4th, 2005, 09:21 PM
hehehehee

Shane54
Jun 4th, 2005, 09:28 PM
:zzz: :zzz: :zzz: :zzz:

treufreund
Jun 4th, 2005, 09:48 PM
Hmmm, where did I put that anal plug?

Martian KC
Jun 4th, 2005, 10:43 PM
Same amount.

Volcana
Jun 4th, 2005, 10:45 PM
This surface, the way Venus is playing right now, the way Justine is playing right now.... five.

tennnisfannn
Jun 4th, 2005, 10:54 PM
Justine would have lost!

ys
Jun 4th, 2005, 11:06 PM
Anything could have happened in this match. Venus used to be an excellent competitor.
Her problem now seems to be that she no longer can bring that competitor up in herself at will. And look at the list of players she played last month or so.. Marrero twice, Zuluaga, Chakvetadze, Pironkova, Vaidisova, Karatancheva, Callens, Butkiewicz, Golovin, Chladkova.. Is it the kind of opposition great Venus Williams is supposed to be playing? I think that with this kind of opposition Venus has a problem of keeping focus, gets bored and her cushion is no longer what it was 2000-2001.. If she let those girls into the match, it can go anywhere..

In opposite, each time this year Venus played a big, elite player - every time it was competitive and good match. Close losses to Sharapova, Davenport, Mauresmo and Molik. Victories over Kim, Anastasia and Serena. All good matches. I am sure, if Venus would manage to get herself involved in a big match - she would have lifted her level and would have made it at least competitive..

SelesFan70
Jun 4th, 2005, 11:07 PM
Uhm...I'd say at least 4, but no more than 21 (assuming it went 3 sets).

Denise4925
Jun 4th, 2005, 11:09 PM
And, this is the first time I've used this smilie
:zzz:

bmxbandit
Jun 4th, 2005, 11:10 PM
Uhm...I'd say at least 4, but no more than 21 (assuming it went 3 sets).

What about a 6-2 0-6 21-19 win?

Kart
Jun 4th, 2005, 11:27 PM
896 games.

jcaprulez whoever you are, perhaps you've got something to say to me that you forgot to type with the rep you gave me ?

ceiling_fan
Jun 4th, 2005, 11:28 PM
who's justin :confused:

:p

Doraemon
Jun 6th, 2005, 02:00 AM
I smell at least a bagel and a stick.

Sam L
Jun 6th, 2005, 02:46 AM
Are we talking about Justin Timberlake? :confused:

@m@nd@
Jun 6th, 2005, 03:12 AM
at least four i say

cartmancop
Jun 6th, 2005, 03:15 AM
more than 2 but it's not really worth guessing since she didn't even come close this year:(

Doraemon
Jun 7th, 2005, 03:10 AM
U guys r really retarded. do the siimple math dude. Venus lost to Sesil, who lost to Likhovtseva, who managed to win only 2 games from Pierce, who was bitch slapped by Justine 1 n 1 in the final. All things considered, Venus would be happy to win a game from Justine and double bagel would be soooo not out of the question.

xr6turbo
Jun 7th, 2005, 03:15 AM
U guys r really retarded. do the siimple math dude. Venus lost to Sesil, who lost to Likhovtseva, who managed to win only 2 games from Pierce, who was bitch slapped by Justine 1 n 1 in the final. All things considered, Venus would be happy to win a game from Justine and double bagel would be soooo not out of the question.
:retard:

franny
Jun 7th, 2005, 03:18 AM
If Venus would have gotten to the finals, then doesn't that mean that she would have been playing much better than she had been playing? And if she were playing better, how much better would she have been playing? If she were playing her best or if she were playing just good enough to reach the finals? Everything is so arbitrary. You simply just cannot assume that if Venus reached the finals that she would have won a certain amount of games, you just can't.

Pureracket
Jun 7th, 2005, 03:35 AM
U guys r really retarded. do the siimple math dude. Venus lost to Sesil, who lost to Likhovtseva, who managed to win only 2 games from Pierce, who was bitch slapped by Justine 1 n 1 in the final. All things considered, Venus would be happy to win a game from Justine and double bagel would be soooo not out of the question.:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::tape:

VRee_Willario
Jun 7th, 2005, 06:53 AM
Venus 12, JuJu 2 :bounce:

Doraemon
Jun 8th, 2005, 10:34 AM
Now I'm certain vee would have been double bagelled.

tennisrox
Jun 8th, 2005, 10:46 AM
completely pointless thread this.But now that we come to it, seeing that Venus lost to a fifteen year old, i think she would have been double-bagelled.

Maria Croft
Jun 8th, 2005, 10:49 AM
U guys r really retarded. do the siimple math dude. Venus lost to Sesil, who lost to Likhovtseva, who managed to win only 2 games from Pierce, who was bitch slapped by Justine 1 n 1 in the final. All things considered, Venus would be happy to win a game from Justine and double bagel would be soooo not out of the question.

If tennis would only be that simple :tape: :rolleyes:

ceiling_fan
Jun 8th, 2005, 10:57 AM
U guys r really retarded. do the siimple math dude. Venus lost to Sesil, who lost to Likhovtseva, who managed to win only 2 games from Pierce, who was bitch slapped by Justine 1 n 1 in the final. All things considered, Venus would be happy to win a game from Justine and double bagel would be soooo not out of the question.
:haha:

vettipooh
Jun 8th, 2005, 11:37 AM
Venus obviously lost early in the tournament but if she had faced Hardenne in the final, how many games do you think she could have won?Enough to have been holding up the trophy:p

Kelly
Jun 10th, 2005, 02:07 PM
6-2 6-2 to justine....vee has been strugling against lower ranked players so i think justine would have won farely comfortably

ginger_fish668
Jun 10th, 2005, 02:17 PM
Justin is a really good player! :lol:

controlfreak
Jun 10th, 2005, 02:59 PM
It's a fair question...

Assuming that Justine would have won RG regardless of who her opponent was (which is basically what the thread title implies), I could imagine a Justine-Venus final going something like 6-3 7-5. Obviously Venus would be playing well to have reached the final, but it was clearly JuJu's tournament and I think she would have squuezed it out in two reasonably close sets against Vee.

Just my 2 cents.

alexusjonesfan
Jun 10th, 2005, 03:13 PM
I didn't think there was a way of posing such a question without drawing the ire of fans of both players.

CooCooCachoo
Jun 10th, 2005, 06:18 PM
I am sure we could come up with some mathematical formula that seems right, but would have proven us all wrong when they would have in fact met.

In all fairness, speculation is not only pointless, it is also idiotic. In tennis, the form of the day is one of the most important factors determining the final result. And there is no telling what the form of the day of Justine or Venus would have been.

rightous
Jun 10th, 2005, 06:21 PM
I am sure we could come up with some mathematical formula that seems right, but would have proven us all wrong when they would have in fact met.

In all fairness, speculation is not only pointless, it is also idiotic. In tennis, the form of the day is one of the most important factors determining the final result. And there is no telling what the form of the day of Justine or Venus would have been.

CooCoo have to agree entirely, its like asking if its better to wear sandals or sneakers next thursday

CooCooCachoo
Jun 10th, 2005, 06:28 PM
CooCoo have to agree entirely, its like asking if its better to wear sandals or sneakers next thursday

I would wear sneakers. You don't want to be seen on sandals.

But this case is much more predictable, because we can determine the weather for a few days ahead much more precisely than we can determine the form of the day of a tennis player. And we can of course take notice of our personal preferences.

Off-topic: it's so hard to not use smileys

rightous
Jun 10th, 2005, 06:44 PM
In Ireland the weather is never predictable, one day it could be 30C at 12pm and t 1pm there could be a downpour, but your point is a very valid one. Thats why we all watch sport because you are never quite sure what might happen, because there is that element of unpredicability, injuries, weather, mood all play a part.

And yes I have discovered that I use smileys alot

V-MAC
Jun 10th, 2005, 06:51 PM
This thread has to be one of the most stupid and pointless threads ever on WTA World. :o :mad: :rolleyes:

Kelly
Jun 10th, 2005, 07:39 PM
but seeing as its a wntp thread it will be hear for a couple of days lol.

form changes week by week so realisticly anyone can beat anyone on any given day

Dana Marcy
Jun 10th, 2005, 08:42 PM
Venus obviously lost early in the tournament but if she had faced Hardenne in the final, how many games do you think she could have won?

Venus didn't play well at the French at all. However if she reached the final she would've gotten there based on some inspired playing. It's hard to say how many games Venus would've won if she played the Juju that Mary played last Saturday. Venus had just won in Turkey and if she had gotten herself to the final maybe she could've beat Juju.

Dana Marcy
Jun 10th, 2005, 08:44 PM
why venus?! why the thread?! Why venus over other players who got further in the tournament eg maria and lindsay?! WHY?!

It's a valid question. Juju was so dominant it's a fair question to ask how another top player would've done. Asking about Maria and Lindsay and how thye would do against Juju at the French is a good idea also.

Dana Marcy
Jun 10th, 2005, 08:46 PM
completely pointless thread this.But now that we come to it, seeing that Venus lost to a fifteen year old, i think she would have been double-bagelled.

It's not pointless but if you base it on the Sesil match maybe you're right. I just don't think it's a bad idea to speculate on venus getting to the final and how she would do against Juju.

Helen Lawson
Jun 10th, 2005, 08:47 PM
It's all speculation, but something tells me it would have been more than 2.

controlfreak
Jun 10th, 2005, 10:34 PM
In all fairness, speculation is not only pointless, it is also idiotic.

That's one way of looking at it, but surely speculation is a huge part of not only this board, but tennis in general and any other sport too. Every day we are faced with half a dozen new polls in GM - who will win this match or that match, who will meet up in the quarters or semis - and you'll see the same thing any time you switch on the sports channel on your TV.

Ok, so normally we speculate about matches which are likely to happen in the near future. But what's wrong with speculating about fantasy, the impossible, or what could have been? It's all harmless fun to me, although some people here seem to think the thread starter is trolling. I stand by my 'prediction' of 6-3 7-5.

CooCooCachoo
Jun 11th, 2005, 05:01 AM
That's one way of looking at it, but surely speculation is a huge part of not only this board, but tennis in general and any other sport too. Every day we are faced with half a dozen new polls in GM - who will win this match or that match, who will meet up in the quarters or semis - and you'll see the same thing any time you switch on the sports channel on your TV.

Ok, so normally we speculate about matches which are likely to happen in the near future. But what's wrong with speculating about fantasy, the impossible, or what could have been? It's all harmless fun to me, although some people here seem to think the thread starter is trolling. I stand by my 'prediction' of 6-3 7-5.

I never said it was not harmless, yet I seem to miss the fun part. Of course everyone has the right to make such a poll and I would not call starting this thread trolling at all whatsoever.

However, you cannot deny that it is a rather pointless discussion to which we will never find an answer, whereas many other polls based on speculation provide us with a clear outcome later, so that we can compare the actual results with what we thought. I believe that adds to the fun of a poll.

Stamp Paid
Jun 11th, 2005, 05:39 AM
Shit, I'll give Venus a set, just out of respect...

Doraemon
Jun 11th, 2005, 07:03 AM
Venus rocks!

Jarrett
Jun 11th, 2005, 07:09 AM
3 or 4 games total.

rightous
Jun 11th, 2005, 11:35 AM
The answer is no-one knows, Venus is not playing her best of best but not her day she could beat anyone

controlfreak
Jun 11th, 2005, 11:55 AM
Timberlake plays tennis? :eek:

Yes, he does actually, and I've heard he's rather good at it. I think it was in some tennis magazine a couple of years ago. I seem to remember he favours doubles over singles though.

Shane54
Jun 11th, 2005, 09:36 PM
:zzz: :zzz: :zzz: :zzz: :zzz: :zzz: :zzz: :zzz: :zzz:

Doraemon
Jun 12th, 2005, 12:18 AM
Venus rocks!

Venus sux!

Cariaoke
Jun 12th, 2005, 06:13 AM
Although this thread is pointless because we'll never know the answer, anyone would assume Justine would have won because her form from the quarters on was superb while Venus lost early. Justine won the tournament and was clearly better than anybody who played in it so why the need to put down another player when your fave won the whole thing, Doraemon?

Cariaoke
Jun 12th, 2005, 06:14 AM
U guys r really retarded. do the siimple math dude. Venus lost to Sesil, who lost to Likhovtseva, who managed to win only 2 games from Pierce, who was bitch slapped by Justine 1 n 1 in the final. All things considered, Venus would be happy to win a game from Justine and double bagel would be soooo not out of the question.
Logic is not your strong point.

Cariaoke
Jun 12th, 2005, 06:18 AM
It's a valid question. Juju was so dominant it's a fair question to ask how another top player would've done. Asking about Maria and Lindsay and how thye would do against Juju at the French is a good idea also.
I'll agree with the Maria and Lindsay part as they went further in the tournament. But this thread is like asking how Myskina would do against Justine in the final when Myskina went out in the first round.

Rub
Jun 12th, 2005, 06:52 AM
:dance:

Doraemon
Jun 13th, 2005, 03:43 AM
How many games would Venus have won from Sabine Applemen?

@m@nd@
Jun 13th, 2005, 03:50 AM
12

rhz
Jun 13th, 2005, 03:52 AM
Justin who? Gimelstob?

ginger_fish668
Jun 13th, 2005, 03:53 AM
12


Yup, in 2 sets. ;)

ginger_fish668
Jun 13th, 2005, 03:54 AM
Justin who? Gimelstob?


:lol: That's what loads of people have been pointing out (myself included). ;)

I dunno why Doraemon hasn't changed the mistake yet. Maybe it's intentional? :p

Doraemon
Jun 13th, 2005, 03:55 AM
Sabine Applemen def. Venus willy 6-7, 6-1, 3-0 ret.

TF Chipmunk
Jun 13th, 2005, 06:10 AM
Well I don't know a Justin....

Doraemon
Jun 15th, 2005, 02:07 AM
I can't believe this thread is still alive! What a lovely thread! I'm so loving it and I encourage everyone to take part in this forum of discussion and in my honest opinion, Sabin Appleman would of snatched more games off then Venus did against Justine Handin. What do u think everyone? Am I staying alright?

alexusjonesfan
Jun 15th, 2005, 02:10 AM
Probably a bunch, possibly a set even. Gimelstob isn't very good

backhanddtl4
Jun 15th, 2005, 05:07 AM
Venus does better against better people, usually she shows up. She's not the type to get rolled over by the best.

Lemonskin.
Jun 15th, 2005, 08:15 AM
And, this is the first time I've used this smilie
:zzz:
:eek: You've never been tired?

Doraemon
Jun 15th, 2005, 11:53 AM
It must of been hard for Vee to come up with some goods to beat Justine. Justine is at her best on clay after all but so is Venus, who has won her last few titles on clay. Both are at their best respective on clay. Yet, Justine has the clear edge over Vee as she has more weapons and moves better, hits harder and thinks smarter. So Vee has little chance to even keep up with Justin. So I assume their match could be rather lopsided in Justin's favor. Am I thinkin right?

Paneru
Jun 15th, 2005, 11:58 AM
Who's Justin and when has
Venus ever played him?

volta
Jun 15th, 2005, 12:00 PM
WTF is this topic still here?! let it go away this topic has no point let it go stop bumping it guys and girls

rjd1111
Jun 15th, 2005, 12:50 PM
Venus obviously lost early in the tournament but if she had faced Hardenne in the final, how many games do you think she could have won?



Venus is 7-1 Against Justine

Doraemon
Jun 16th, 2005, 04:55 AM
so what? it's now that matters not the past undedrstand?