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bandabou
Jun 4th, 2005, 08:03 PM
Why is this? The recent talk: Justine is the ONLY contender for Wimbledon, while the sisters would be lucky to even win more than 2 matches.

Are people forgetting that Serena DID win the Oz open only 5 months ago?

SJW
Jun 4th, 2005, 08:04 PM
some people on this board forgot Serena won the AO the day after.

harloo
Jun 4th, 2005, 08:05 PM
Why is this? The recent talk: Justine is the ONLY contender for Wimbledon, while the sisters would be lucky to even win more than 2 matches.

Are people forgetting that Serena DID win the Oz open only 5 months ago?


Don't worry about it bandabou. Justine just won the FO(a surface that she is the best on) so some people get carried away. She can be considered on of the favorites on grass, but noone is guarenteed a win and their are others on grass who are better than her.:lol:

Elldee
Jun 4th, 2005, 08:05 PM
She also crashed out of Dubai and Amelia Island with injury and in Rome and Miami with rather sluggish performances, plus she hasn't played for months. I think there's lots of contenders for Wimbledon and Serena's very much included in that.

~CANUCK~
Jun 4th, 2005, 08:05 PM
i will admit writting serena off is dumb, but if vee continues the way she is going she would be lucky to get passed round 3 or 4 at wimby, and that is an awful performance for her there.

~Cherry*Blossom~
Jun 4th, 2005, 08:17 PM
Let them, who cares!

Juju #1
Jun 4th, 2005, 08:18 PM
Why is this? The recent talk: Justine is the ONLY contender for Wimbledon, while the sisters would be lucky to even win more than 2 matches.

Are people forgetting that Serena DID win the Oz open only 5 months ago?


I would never wright off WS at Wimbledon, but I understand why some people are doing that. Justine won her GS today and some fans would like to celebrate her victory in peace here, but it's not possible mostly b/c of some WS fans. So now we're stuck in this uninteligent conversation and making fools of ourselves

saki
Jun 4th, 2005, 08:20 PM
No-one is writing off Serena. Several, including some fans, have written off Venus as a condender for the title but I've not seen a single post on this forum that would suggest that anyone thinks that Serena isn't one of the main contenders for Wimbledon.

Of course, on the very day that Justine has won her fourth GS, people are writing off her Wimbledon chances but I expected that.

faste5683
Jun 4th, 2005, 08:22 PM
If Serena is injury free and has been training hard, I agree she is
the number one contender at Wimbledon. Despite all the delerium
over Justine's F.O. win, I think that the really big serving girls (not
big ground stroking) have the advantage.

Venus will have to prove herself. Not playing on grass before Wimbledon
could prove costly, with her confidence being somewhat shakey.

:wavey:

auntie janie
Jun 4th, 2005, 08:23 PM
I love it when people write off my faves! honey_b is right: Let them! Doesn't make a whit of difference on the court.

Anyway, I think everyone knows Serena is one of the top 2 or 3 contenders for the Wimbledon title. I'd put her up there with Maria, both ahead of my girl Justine who has never won it yet. Venus also should not be forgotten, but her chances aren't quite up there with with the very, very top group, imo.

Smackie
Jun 4th, 2005, 08:25 PM
Why is this? The recent talk: Justine is the ONLY contender for Wimbledon, while the sisters would be lucky to even win more than 2 matches.

Are people forgetting that Serena DID win the Oz open only 5 months ago?

Why don't you ask (by private messaging) those who think 'Justine is the ONLY contender for Wimbledon, while the sisters would be lucky to even win more than 2 matches.'.

Because most of us Philistines don't think so.

bandabou
Jun 4th, 2005, 08:26 PM
No-one is writing off Serena. Several, including some fans, have written off Venus as a condender for the title but I've not seen a single post on this forum that would suggest that anyone thinks that Serena isn't one of the main contenders for Wimbledon.

Of course, on the very day that Justine has won her fourth GS, people are writing off her Wimbledon chances but I expected that.


Even on Belgian TV...they did.

Smackie
Jun 4th, 2005, 08:27 PM
Even on Belgian TV...they did.

In the UK, they think Tim has a good chance every summer, do you believe it?

VivalaSeles
Jun 4th, 2005, 08:29 PM
The only person I've seen writing Serena off is Bud Collins ;) Obviously, Serena is one of the biggest favourites for Wimbledon :) Nonetheless, I have seen people writing Venus off ... but Venus has given them reasons for writing her off (not that I think Venus cannot prove them wrong).

lucashg
Jun 4th, 2005, 08:31 PM
This thread should be "People writting off Henin-Hardenne", as most of WS fans and other nay-sayers have been doing.

Serena and even Venus are strong contenders for Wimbledon, even more so than Justine (not sure about Venus, though). Maria, Lindsay, Kim, Svetlana and Amelie are also up there. Plus the surprises.

Sinnet
Jun 4th, 2005, 08:34 PM
My prediction:

Both Serena and Venus will bomb out during or before the Quarterfinals at Wimby, but will have an excellent summer and US Open.

Neither sister have showed good results recently, and I doubt either are prepared for Wimbledon.

I'm saying that Sharapova will defend her title.

(Awaits to be bad repped by all of the WS fans)

jcaprulez
Jun 4th, 2005, 08:35 PM
I think people are right to write Venus off she is shit now. But Serena can still win if she wants to she just doesnt care about tennis now

faste5683
Jun 4th, 2005, 08:39 PM
The only person I've seen writing Serena off is Bud Collins ;)

Yeah, Bud and his day-glo PANTS. Now there's somebody whose
opinon I'd stake my life on... :haha:

:wavey:

bandabou
Jun 4th, 2005, 08:40 PM
My prediction:

Both Serena and Venus will bomb out during or before the Quarterfinals at Wimby, but will have an excellent summer and US Open.

Neither sister have showed good results recently, and I doubt either are prepared for Wimbledon.

I'm saying that Sharapova will defend her title.

(Awaits to be bad repped by all of the WS fans)

Exactly what they were saying on t.v...

turt
Jun 4th, 2005, 08:41 PM
Nobody writes Serena off. However, some people question her commitment, and since the AO she has been far from stellar! But you never know with Serena, so she's definitely up the list in the "top contenders" category...

Venus, well... I'd say if Mary could get to the RG finals, then Venus could get far in Wimbledon's draw... But will she? She would have to play waaaay better than she's playing now. Also, this year she showed some good things but she hasn't been consistent enough since a long time, so I think her chances to win 7 straight matches on the green stuff are very slim, to say the least...

faste5683
Jun 4th, 2005, 08:42 PM
My prediction:

Both Serena and Venus will bomb out during or before the Quarterfinals at Wimby, but will have an excellent summer and US Open.

Neither sister have showed good results recently, and I doubt either are prepared for Wimbledon.

I'm saying that Sharapova will defend her title.

(Awaits to be bad repped by all of the WS fans)

Let me know if you wait too long; if you get bored I'll bad rep you.

:wavey:

Calimero377
Jun 4th, 2005, 08:45 PM
Why is this? The recent talk: Justine is the ONLY contender for Wimbledon, while the sisters would be lucky to even win more than 2 matches.

Are people forgetting that Serena DID win the Oz open only 5 months ago?


Enna is not the ONLY contender. But she is the best player nowadays and the favourite.
Serena is a contender.
Venus not.

Got it, Bandydumbo?

Tennisaddict
Jun 4th, 2005, 08:58 PM
Henin is the best player on clay, she's one of many contenders on grass.
Serena (depending on which Serena shows up) and Sharapova are the top contenders for Wimbledon IMO.

GoDominique
Jun 4th, 2005, 08:59 PM
Serena will be a contender if she plays. Not so sure about the last part.

jcaprulez
Jun 4th, 2005, 09:07 PM
Justine got to the wimby final 5 years ago when she was not the best player in the world. She is the best now she is definetly the faviourite. She really put Sharapova in her place the other day. And who else has a chance at Wimbledon - nobody

Deuce Court
Jun 4th, 2005, 09:17 PM
Well I'm a huge fan of the BOSS but that does not mean I'm writing people off. I'm very realistic in the chances of the BOSS and I don't think she's THE favourite. Wimbledon is Venus', Serena's and Maria's play turf so obviously it's a whole different game over there. Therefore I wouldn't consider the BOSS as a favourite over Serena, Venus and Maria. But they have to come up with the goods now. No more playing around for them. They have to prove something at Wimbledon whereas the BOSS has nothing to prove...

pigam
Jun 4th, 2005, 09:22 PM
Bandabou you're being pathetic!!!!!
Who says those things? Which henin fan says the WS are over? Calimero? Ok then :rolleyes: . Have a private chatsession with him. thanks :rolleyes:
Get over it! calimero and some others jumed on Henin's bandwagon, so fucking what! Don't act like this is the opinion of the 'whole board' because you know it isn't true!!
Or you so unconfident you need everyone to affirm that OF COURSE the sisters are still favourites!
BTW, carl Maes only today said the siters are the 2 absolute best players on grass. :kiss:, so sleep tight

bandabou
Jun 4th, 2005, 09:28 PM
Bandabou you're being pathetic!!!!!
Who says those things? Which henin fan says the WS are over? Calimero? Ok then :rolleyes: . Have a private chatsession with him. thanks :rolleyes:
Get over it! calimero and some others jumed on Henin's bandwagon, so fucking what! Don't act like this is the opinion of the 'whole board' because you know it isn't true!!
Or you so unconfident you need everyone to affirm that OF COURSE the sisters are still favourites!
BTW, carl Maes only today said the siters are the 2 absolute best players on grass. :kiss:, so sleep tight

Who is Carl Maes? The one who did the commentary with Karl van Niewkerken? Didnīt hear him say that about the sisters....mostly about how that they really werenīt a problem for Justine anymore..

hablo
Jun 4th, 2005, 09:28 PM
some of the hype surrounding sharapove has died down too ;) :lol:

remember all the talk about her being #1 before and during RG?? :devil:

I haven't really heard any comments about Serena Williams as she didn't play RG :shrug: But I'm in France at the moment so all they do is talk about who's playing at the moment. It was all mary and juju, roger and nadal, as of late (before they were chatting about marat too!! :drool: )

good luck to serena (just not against Momo :bounce: )

as for Vee :eek: I was shocked that Sesil took her out!!! :o

blumaroo
Jun 4th, 2005, 09:29 PM
I've never heard people writing off Serena except for Bud C so that is rubbish.

bandabou
Jun 4th, 2005, 09:30 PM
Enna is not the ONLY contender. But she is the best player nowadays and the favourite.
Serena is a contender.
Venus not.

Got it, Bandydumbo?

bandydumbo? I didnīt know I had ears like dumbo.... :confused:

RVD
Jun 4th, 2005, 09:30 PM
Why is this? The recent talk: Justine is the ONLY contender for Wimbledon, while the sisters would be lucky to even win more than 2 matches.

Are people forgetting that Serena DID win the Oz open only 5 months ago?Shhh... bandabou!! Don't get people thinking about this. I'm about to lay down my wager with Ladbroke. :lol: :cool:

Kart
Jun 4th, 2005, 09:32 PM
Let them, who cares!

Wise words :yeah:.

As long as Serena and Venus don't write themselves off there seems no problem to me.

pigam
Jun 4th, 2005, 09:35 PM
Who is Carl Maes? The one who did the commentary with Karl van Niewkerken? Didnīt hear him say that about the sisters....mostly about how that they really werenīt a problem for Justine anymore..
carl maes is only Kim's former coach and current fedcup coach.
you are being ridiculous, Steven Martens said no such thing, but whatever believe what you wish.

Calimero377
Jun 4th, 2005, 09:36 PM
Wise words :yeah:.

As long as Serena and Venus don't write themselves off there seems no problem to me.


Venus has written herself off.
You could see it in her eyes.

Shonami Slam
Jun 4th, 2005, 09:38 PM
Venus is going to have a VERY hard time if she doesn'tget seeded 9-16, or else she will meet sharapova, lindsay or serena very early on, and they have all proved themselves much more than she did.
she can find herself also facing other big girls like the bovina, zvonareva and shynder that can all trouble her alot at thier current form.
she might even have a nasty draw and meet ivanovic, vaidisova or kim in the third round - that would be tough.

as for serena - as long as she plays - she has a chance.

bandabou
Jun 4th, 2005, 09:39 PM
carl maes is only Kim's former coach and current fedcup coach.
you are being ridiculous, Steven Martens said no such thing, but whatever believe what you wish.

At the end of the broadcast...they were discussing about whatīs next and stuff and the list of contenders...and so it is steven martens said that the ONLY opponent Justine would have to worry about, was Kim.....itīs a shame I didnīt tape it.

Kart
Jun 4th, 2005, 09:39 PM
Venus has written herself off.
You could see it in her eyes.

Maybe on the clay. Traditionally though her season has tended to start from now so hopefully she's not wholly despondent yet.

harloo
Jun 4th, 2005, 09:41 PM
This thread should be "People writting off Henin-Hardenne", as most of WS fans and other nay-sayers have been doing.



:rolleyes::lol: :lol:

rottweily
Jun 5th, 2005, 10:09 AM
Seeing the latest pics of Serena, I have serious doubts!

bandabou
Jun 5th, 2005, 10:15 AM
Doubts of what, rotweilly?

turt
Jun 5th, 2005, 10:19 AM
Maybe the fact that she wears high-heels shoes and has an ankle injury is a proof that her commitment isn't all that good?

bandabou
Jun 5th, 2005, 10:20 AM
and as a result...the writting off?

turt
Jun 5th, 2005, 10:21 AM
Well I don't write her off. Serena should make sure she doesn't write herself off though...

Sam L
Jun 5th, 2005, 10:23 AM
I don't doubt their ability but the fire in the belly is gone. They (especially Venus) used to have the eyes of a hungry cat on court. But it's not there anymore. It's more like the eyes of a well-fed mouse now. So yes, I'm writing especially Venus off. Serena will win slams again, when she really wants it.

rottweily
Jun 5th, 2005, 10:34 AM
Doubts of what, rotweilly?

Her fitness.

bandabou
Jun 5th, 2005, 10:46 AM
Her fitness.


good news for juju then...

Lolo8
Jun 5th, 2005, 10:51 AM
I would love to see an all Williams final again but it ain't happening this year. Serena is out of shape and Venus doesn't know what the hell to do anymore on the court. I'm afraid to say I don't see neither of them even making it past the 3rd round. Lack of fitness. Lack of focus. Lack of direction. The Williams fan's are in for a rude awakening.

pigam
Jun 5th, 2005, 10:56 AM
I would love to see an all Williams final again but it ain't happening this year. Serena is out of shape and Venus doesn't know what the hell to do anymore on the court. I'm afraid to say I don't see neither of them even making it past the 3rd round. Lack of fitness. Lack of focus. Lack of direction. The Williams fan's are in for a rude awakening.
I really really wouldn't go this far. even when unfit they are above 'the average player', IMHO.
and about the fitness, again, IMHO, Serena wasn't exactly on her fittest during the AO and she still won, so. We'll see what the future brings ;)

bandabou
Jun 5th, 2005, 10:57 AM
Nothing can last forever....so one is always prepared for the day that it suddenly is over.

Lolo8
Jun 5th, 2005, 11:13 AM
I really really wouldn't go this far. even when unfit they are above 'the average player', IMHO.
and about the fitness, again, IMHO, Serena wasn't exactly on her fittest during the AO and she still won, so. We'll see what the future brings ;)
Have you seen pictures of Serena of late? Did you see pictures of Serena at the Italian Open a few weeks ago? She isn't as fit like she was at AO. Serena is too busy trying to be the black Paris Hilton with all her partying. I read in her interview that she doesn't like to practice. I think Serena takes alot of pride in not practicing or training and just showing up and winning anyway which she did at the AO. But this time it's going to be different. The early rounds at Wimbledon won't be no cake walk. Venus learned that the hard way at last years wimbledon. Qualifiers in the earlier rounds are dangerous now.

SJW
Jun 5th, 2005, 11:36 AM
you believe EVERYTHING Serena says? :lol:

even her fans aren't that stupid :lol:

i and a lot of others read thing she says and our response is "bullshit!" :lol:

shes like her daddy :lol:

pinch of salt people...pinch of salt

DEETHELICK
Jun 5th, 2005, 12:22 PM
Serena needs to be in peak form to win. Her serve isn't as potent as it was anymore, so she needs the rest of her game to be clicking to help her. Also, Wimbledon will test her ankle and knee due to the low bounce. However Serena is always a contender. Wimbledon is a place where she comes alive.

As for Venus, she's won it twice. She knows what it takes. However her game is not in the same state of form as her mind as her game does not appear to be a confident game. Plus the low bouncing ball could be a huge problem for her inconsistent forehand.

I'd say Serena and Justine are about No. 2/3 faves in my list.

I think Maria and Lindsay are the favourites.

Junex
Jun 5th, 2005, 12:43 PM
and as a result...the writting off?



As some WS fans had pointed before in this GM:

"The WS has nothing to prove to anyone, they dont owe anybody anything!"

So why the hell are you whining about these comments from people who obviously dnt know what is working in the minds of the WS?

If people start writing-off players. who cares? Does it affect the playing standards of a player?

I really dnt know why are you taking this crap, writing-off the sisters, personally?

I assume, this things just got on your nerves because people are talking about Justine as the current best. Well yes she is and she proved it!

Now, why dnt you stick your nose on your faves and pray that they will dedicate themselves to tennis even more so they could make this stupid people writing them off as contenders, eat their own words during tea-tiem at SW-19!

you dnt actually need to question Justine as the best right now, and people obviously can say that and has the right to do regardless of the surface difference between RG & Wimbledon! People are concerned of results! Justine produced the sisters haven't so why whine about it?

BTW, we justine fans dnt really care if Justine is overlooked or even considered the top contender or what crap people are talikng now, the fact is we believe in our fave so much in everything about her tennis, so by any means she will always be our favorite and the top contender! We dnt really care what other people say!

Besides, its always great to support the underdog!!!!

:devil:

bandabou
Jun 5th, 2005, 12:58 PM
Thereīs a difference between calling Justine the best player, obviously sheīs right now having just won the most recent slam, and then completely writting off the sisters as contenders on GRASS!! But itīs ok...time will tell.

K.U.C.W-R.V
Jun 5th, 2005, 01:04 PM
Henin is the best player on clay, she's one of many contenders on grass.
Serena (depending on which Serena shows up) and Sharapova are the top contenders for Wimbledon IMO.

In general I agree.

On the other hand I dont agree with the notion often forwarded by many WS fans that all grand slams are Serena's to lose...that if she wants to play well & win she will do so.

That may once have been the case but it is no longer - Henin will henceforth be the clear favourite for any clay court event she enters no matter how well Serena is playing & Sharapova will henceforth be at least Serena's equal on grass.

Serena, Henin & Sharapova (& in theory Kim) will have equal chances to win future USO & AO.

Szymanowski
Jun 5th, 2005, 01:11 PM
I am afraid I don't think Venus' current standard is good enough to win wimbledon, but Serena, if she can regain fitness could surprise us all. But the reason I say 'surprise' is because I think it's highly unlikely.

jenny161185
Jun 5th, 2005, 01:38 PM
I dont hear anyone writing off Serena but Justine is the in form player(even though we havent got to grass yet) but she did say wimbledon was her goal so you have to have her as one of the favourites, as for Venus well Im just not sure what to think about her

Billy Moonshine
Jun 5th, 2005, 01:47 PM
The ws spent a lot of time mouthing off about how they were the best this and the best that, and showing off in front of the media, only to be injured cos of their lack of training and then outclassed by their superior opponents.
They wrote themselves off, having made sure a lot was written first, and what a load of rubbish it has proved to be!!!!
And Serena won AO against a cry baby Lindz who gave up cos she lost a game!!!!!
And then did a seabiscuit impression when accepting the trophy!
Gee those broads are good for a laugh!
And bring those bad reps on, you ws fans can't handle the truth and everyone knows it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!

thelittlestelf
Jun 5th, 2005, 01:53 PM
The ws spent a lot of time mouthing off about how they were the best this and the best that, and showing off in front of the media, only to be injured cos of their lack of training and then outclassed by their superior opponents.
They wrote themselves off, having made sure a lot was written first, and what a load of rubbish it has proved to be!!!!
And Serena won AO against a cry baby Lindz who gave up cos she lost a game!!!!!
And then did a seabiscuit impression when accepting the trophy!
Gee those broads are good for a laugh!
And bring those bad reps on, you ws fans can't handle the truth and everyone knows it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!It's sad that you think that's the truth...

Rub
Jun 5th, 2005, 02:11 PM
it's just because someone just had an amazing comeback... winning 4 titles in a row, with a grandslam that has just been done, and riding a 24-match winning streak!

it just so happens that this person is so so much mentally tough, that she is very hard to beat... she is dominating too... and she must be the roger federer of the WTA... hope to see no nadal in WTA though! :wavey:

Billy Moonshine
Jun 5th, 2005, 02:11 PM
I don't really think it's the truth.
I couldn't care less about ws.
Just bored and venomous.
:) No offence taken I hope by any williams fans.
But I did mean the stuff about Lindz!

Rub
Jun 5th, 2005, 02:15 PM
oooooooohhh... i think the only williams we are talking about is SERENA... venus could be written off... she could only manage to win a tier 3!

jimbo mack
Jun 5th, 2005, 02:23 PM
i consider serena to be a contender but not venus because she has not been able to get past the fourth round in the last 4 slams

but i would love venus to get on a roll here. it is going to be really interesting to see how well venus does here as i think retirement might be on the cards if she loses early

hotandspicey
Jun 5th, 2005, 02:58 PM
As long as Venus and Serena are in the draw when it comes out, they will always be contenders. We are talking about grass, right?? ;) I am certainly not writing them off. Go Vee!!:yeah: Go Rena!!!:yeah:

V-MAC
Jun 5th, 2005, 03:22 PM
My heart is saying Venus can win Wimbly this year. She is so popular in London that she'll benefit from the warm crowd support, especially now as they know Vee is struggling to find her form. Also, Vee rules that Centre Court and has had her most cherished tennis memories there ( with the exception of last year ) so hopefully nostalgic feelings will give her a big confidence boost. However, on I guess a more realistic level, I can see Maria holding onto her title again this year. Yet aslong as Serena turns up, she will be a huge threat, no doubt about that, regardless of how she looks at the moment.

Paneru
Jun 5th, 2005, 04:04 PM
Why is this? The recent talk: Justine is the ONLY contender for Wimbledon, while the sisters would be lucky to even win more than 2 matches.

Are people forgetting that Serena DID win the Oz open only 5 months ago?
Honestly, I'm of the mindset of
"Who gives a flying fuck"! :cool:

You have critics as well as some
who call themselves fans doing it.


It's simply wishful thinking and hoping on their
parts and they know it which is why they continually
vocalize it. Whereas otherwise they'd not care and not
continually harping on it, only to renig and make excuses when
they're caught with their foot in their mouths ala Carillo, Shriver,
and the rest!

Serena on her worst day is better than most on tour and can compete and beat anyone. Serena came off a 8 month layoff to only three months later be in the Wimbledon final. Serena didn't play her best to get there or in the final but if Serena at that stage can make it that far, please child!

Serena is a major contendor and favorite to win and if she were to meet
Henin-Hardenne along the way she'd dust her off as she has on anything other than clay and especially grass.

Venus' game on grass is the most lethal of anyone out there.

Yes, Venus is a far less surer bet than Serena because of her inconsistency and running very hot and cold at times. However, the fact that she has played some utter brilliant tennis at times during the season (i.e. Antwerp, Miami, AI) proves beyond a shadow of doubt that Venus has still got it.

Just a matter of which Venus shows.
Here dedication to her tennis this year has been
evident especially in how she rebounded after the OZ Open.

Richard has said that when Venus decideds to play
no one can beat her. So, if she decides to come and
play she'll be right in the mix of things.


People complained when they were dominant, people complained saying they've loss interest in tennis, people complain that their not dominanting
and winning like before, meaning....These people will always bitch no matter
what so I say fuck 'em.

Garunteed, one sister wins and/or both make the finals the haters will eat crow but not give them their full due and those few fans will come back to kiss their asses.

raquel
Jun 5th, 2005, 04:28 PM
My heart is saying Venus can win Wimbly this year. She is so popular in London that she'll benefit from the warm crowd support, especially now as they know Vee is struggling to find her form.
That's true. Wimbledon crowds like the underdog but they also love a vulernable former champion. Last year Venus was still considered one of the top 5 contenders so when she played Sprem, the crowds were split between Venus and this unseeded girl who was not afraid to go toe to toe with Venus. This year Venus will have even more support. I so hope she has a good Wimbledon.

As for Serena, if's she healthy, she's a contender it's as simple as that.

FaceyFacem
Jun 5th, 2005, 05:14 PM
i agree bandabou, not to mention grass favors serena and venus (although venus needs more than a good surface), plus maria is in the mix of course, and lindsay, and this is probably justine's worst surface (yes, she's made the finals of W before, but everyone has a worst surface, just like serena is more than capable on clay but it's still her worst), i'm looking forward to it!

Hagar
Jun 5th, 2005, 05:23 PM
Why is this? The recent talk: Justine is the ONLY contender for Wimbledon, while the sisters would be lucky to even win more than 2 matches.

Are people forgetting that Serena DID win the Oz open only 5 months ago?

Yes, Serena won the Australian 5 months ago and since then she has been playing lousy, if playing at all. Same is valid for Venus.
If the Sisters don't do an effort to improve their technique, they won't be among the top players anymore. Doesn't matter what they did in the past, this is about what they are doing now, June 2005!
The Sisters made their way to the top by being great athletes with a lot of power. But now there are plenty of girls with these assets.

Can the Sisters come back to the top? Yes. But then they will have to focus on tennis.

faboozadoo15
Jun 5th, 2005, 05:30 PM
serena is a contender. i haven't heard anyone say justine is the ONLY contender. that doesn't even make sense. i'd put maria over justine. serena may not be fit but is still a good player. venus hasn't contended for anything ina really long time, so she has really written herself off. she plays a lot and has done little. the best match venus has played in years she got beaten in straight sets by sharapova. i think that really dented her ego, and she hasn't been the same since miami.

Calimero377
Jun 5th, 2005, 05:39 PM
...
Serena on her worst day is better than most on tour and can compete and beat anyone. ...

I don't think so.
Serena on her worst days lost to nobodies like Farina Elia, Jankovic, Jidkova in the last 12 months.

Tennisaddict
Jun 5th, 2005, 07:05 PM
serena is a contender. i haven't heard anyone say justine is the ONLY contender. that doesn't even make sense. i'd put maria over justine. serena may not be fit but is still a good player. venus hasn't contended for anything ina really long time, so she has really written herself off. she plays a lot and has done little. the best match venus has played in years she got beaten in straight sets by sharapova. i think that really dented her ego, and she hasn't been the same since miami.


Venus' ego was dented a long time ago before that match with Sharapova in Miami. It definitely wasn't her best match in years. She showed some of her best tennis in her match against Serena and during her run to the final in Antwerp, by playing aggresive and pushing trough and was too passive in her match against Sharapova. The mental collapse she had in that final when she was serving for the match against Mauresmo had more impact on her then losing to Sharapova. Venus hasn't been the same player since her comeback in 2004.

Rtael
Jun 5th, 2005, 07:30 PM
and this is probably justine's worst surface (yes, she's made the finals of W before, but everyone has a worst surface, just like serena is more than capable on clay but it's still her worst), i'm looking forward to it!


I disagree with that....I think it's pretty well-documented that Justine's worst surface is Carpet/Indoors.

Stamp Paid
Jun 5th, 2005, 07:35 PM
I don't think so.
Serena on her worst days lost to nobodies like Farina Elia, Jankovic, Jidkova in the last 12 months.

Injury, injury, menstrual cramps, NEXT.

VeeReeDavJCap81
Jun 5th, 2005, 08:08 PM
Venus, Sharapova, and Capriati are the only players to beat Serena at Wimbledon since 2000. Capriati isn't playing, and Venus is not in form. Do you THINK Serena is going to crash out early? Come on, don't be foolish. And don't you guys think the fact that Serena missed the French Open will make her that much more hungry?

turt
Jun 5th, 2005, 08:24 PM
For Justine it's the same: she's never lost to anyone other than Venus (F 2001, SF 2002), Serena (SF 2003) and Arantxa Sanchez Vicario (1R 2000).

Venus is not in form, and Arantxa is retired. Serena we don't know ;)

Denise4925
Jun 5th, 2005, 08:42 PM
The only person I've seen writing Serena off is Bud Collins ;) Obviously, Serena is one of the biggest favourites for Wimbledon :) Nonetheless, I have seen people writing Venus off ... but Venus has given them reasons for writing her off (not that I think Venus cannot prove them wrong).
I hope this is true, because everytime Bud writes someone off, they win. Remember AO '05? :hehehe:

VeeReeDavJCap81
Jun 5th, 2005, 08:48 PM
I hope this is true, because everytime Bud writes someone off, they win. Remember AO '05? :hehehe:

Yup, and then the fool took credit for her win saying that him asking if the sisters were declining motivated her to prove everyone wrong. Whan an old crow :rolleyes:

Denise4925
Jun 5th, 2005, 08:48 PM
I would love to see an all Williams final again but it ain't happening this year. Serena is out of shape and Venus doesn't know what the hell to do anymore on the court. I'm afraid to say I don't see neither of them even making it past the 3rd round. Lack of fitness. Lack of focus. Lack of direction. The Williams fan's are in for a rude awakening.
:haha: :haha: :haha:

Justeenium
Jun 5th, 2005, 08:51 PM
Are people forgetting that Serena DID win the Oz open only 5 months ago?
Kim and Justine didn't play in Oz. We both know serena wouldn't have won if those two played.

Denise4925
Jun 5th, 2005, 08:53 PM
The ws spent a lot of time mouthing off about how they were the best this and the best that, and showing off in front of the media, only to be injured cos of their lack of training and then outclassed by their superior opponents.
They wrote themselves off, having made sure a lot was written first, and what a load of rubbish it has proved to be!!!!
And Serena won AO against a cry baby Lindz who gave up cos she lost a game!!!!!
And then did a seabiscuit impression when accepting the trophy!
Gee those broads are good for a laugh!
And bring those bad reps on, you ws fans can't handle the truth and everyone knows it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!
:smash: :silly: :baby:

Denise4925
Jun 5th, 2005, 08:57 PM
Garunteed, one sister wins and/or both make the finals the haters will eat crow but not give them their full due and those few fans will come back to kiss their asses.
I'll be happy to kiss Vee's ass if she at least gets to the final. She doesn't even have to win. :D

vettipooh
Jun 5th, 2005, 08:58 PM
It's no use crying and fighting and arguing over whether they are or aren't contenders. We will all know the answer to that in about 3 weeks. This I'll say however. Never count out either one. This is grass.Anything is possible. Serena has been in the final the last 3 years. She may be out of shape to some, but I don't think it will hinder her one bit.

Julia1968
Jun 5th, 2005, 09:01 PM
Seeing the latest pics of Serena, I have serious doubts!

She's fat again. However, that's the least of her concerns related to tennis.

Denise4925
Jun 5th, 2005, 09:01 PM
Yup, and then the fool took credit for her win saying that him asking if the sisters were declining motivated her to prove everyone wrong. Whan an old crow :rolleyes:
It's called embarrassment. :lol:

ys
Jun 5th, 2005, 09:07 PM
Players older than 25 don't win Slams since 1999. Venus will be playing this Wimbledon being already 25. Time is running out.

Denise4925
Jun 5th, 2005, 09:13 PM
Players older than 25 don't win Slams since 1999. Venus will be playing this Wimbledon being already 25. Time is running out.
Now that's logical. :rolleyes:

volta
Jun 5th, 2005, 09:18 PM
do we really care about what those people think?!

vettipooh
Jun 5th, 2005, 09:44 PM
Players older than 25 don't win Slams since 1999. Venus will be playing this Wimbledon being already 25. Time is running out.Then I guess everyone 25 and older are wasting their time on the tour. ..Thank goodness Vee has 4 slams now that 'time is running out' for her.:rolleyes: Run, vee, run!!! Don't let time catch you. Take your FOUR slams and run!!!!:p :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Some players will be running with 1, 2, 3, or NONE!!!!!!!!!:wavey:

Junex
Jun 5th, 2005, 10:50 PM
Honestly, I'm of the mindset of
"Who gives a flying fuck"! :cool:

You have critics as well as some
who call themselves fans doing it.


It's simply wishful thinking and hoping on their
parts and they know it which is why they continually
vocalize it. Whereas otherwise they'd not care and not
continually harping on it, only to renig and make excuses when
they're caught with their foot in their mouths ala Carillo, Shriver,
and the rest!

Serena on her worst day is better than most on tour and can compete and beat anyone. Serena came off a 8 month layoff to only three months later be in the Wimbledon final. Serena didn't play her best to get there or in the final but if Serena at that stage can make it that far, please child!

Serena is a major contendor and favorite to win and if she were to meet
Henin-Hardenne along the way she'd dust her off as she has on anything other than clay and especially grass.

Venus' game on grass is the most lethal of anyone out there.

Yes, Venus is a far less surer bet than Serena because of her inconsistency and running very hot and cold at times. However, the fact that she has played some utter brilliant tennis at times during the season (i.e. Antwerp, Miami, AI) proves beyond a shadow of doubt that Venus has still got it.

Just a matter of which Venus shows.
Here dedication to her tennis this year has been
evident especially in how she rebounded after the OZ Open.

Richard has said that when Venus decideds to play
no one can beat her. So, if she decides to come and
play she'll be right in the mix of things.


People complained when they were dominant, people complained saying they've loss interest in tennis, people complain that their not dominanting
and winning like before, meaning....These people will always bitch no matter
what so I say fuck 'em.

Garunteed, one sister wins and/or both make the finals the haters will eat crow but not give them their full due and those few fans will come back to kiss their asses.


Although some of these were OTT, I say, this should be the right attitude of a true fan! :angel:

mykarma
Jun 6th, 2005, 01:20 AM
My prediction:

Both Serena and Venus will bomb out during or before the Quarterfinals at Wimby, but will have an excellent summer and US Open.

Neither sister have showed good results recently, and I doubt either are prepared for Wimbledon.

I'm saying that Sharapova will defend her title.

(Awaits to be bad repped by all of the WS fans)I didn't see any reason to bad rep you because of your post but since you said all WS fans, I don't want to be the one to disappoint you. Here it comes!:lol:



Changed my mine, been in a good mood today, but don't get upset if you get bad repped from others. You asked for it.

mykarma
Jun 6th, 2005, 01:23 AM
Let me know if you wait too long; if you get bored I'll bad rep you.

:wavey::lol: :lol: :lol: . I had mercy on him but he did ask for it.

starr
Jun 6th, 2005, 01:25 AM
Why is this? The recent talk: Justine is the ONLY contender for Wimbledon, while the sisters would be lucky to even win more than 2 matches.

Are people forgetting that Serena DID win the Oz open only 5 months ago?

It's quite possible Serena took all the time after Rome to intensively devote herself to tennis. She may have been on the court honing her game ever since early May. If so, she could come out strong for Wimbledon.

Jakeev
Jun 6th, 2005, 05:42 AM
What is interesting about this thread, and no offense bandabou, is that there are supposedly others that are writing off Justine's chances at Wimbledon.

Paranoia as usual.

Wimbledon this year is anybody's ball game and neither Justine or the Williams sisters are shoo ins to win the title.

bandabou
Jun 19th, 2005, 04:53 PM
Game on.....now is the time, girls!! Go Williams!!!