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Lady
Jun 4th, 2005, 04:07 PM
I remember people saying that Ju won't win it, because even Seles and other greats couldn't do it in the past.

So is she the 1st one? ;)

Julia1968
Jun 4th, 2005, 04:15 PM
I remember people saying that Ju won't win it, because even Seles and other greats couldn't do it in the past.

So is she the 1st one? ;)

YES! Monica couldn't so it. Graf couldn't do it. Serena couldn't do it. Venus couldn't do it. Kim couldn't do it. Justine, YES!

VivalaSeles
Jun 4th, 2005, 04:16 PM
It is a great achievement :D Kudos to Juju :D But let's not compare a virus with a stabbing.

ns_Henin
Jun 4th, 2005, 04:25 PM
We just comparing comeback with comeback ;)

Congrats Justine & My fellow fans :kiss: :kiss: :kiss:

Lady
Jun 4th, 2005, 04:26 PM
Yay then! :D :banana:

mboyle
Jun 4th, 2005, 04:29 PM
Justine missed one slam. Seles missed 13. How is that comparable?:shrug: Serena missed two, Clijsters missed three, Graf missed at least 4, Venus also missed only one, but few would argue that Venus is as good as Justine.

treufreund
Jun 4th, 2005, 04:35 PM
Justine missed one slam. Seles missed 13. How is that comparable?:shrug: Serena missed two, Clijsters missed three, Graf missed at least 4, Venus also missed only one, but few would argue that Venus is as good as Justine.

it's a great accomplishment for Justine, "for sure" ;) but you are right. You cannot compare it to how long Monica or Steffi were out. (Although saying that Justine only missed one slam, while technically true, is a little misleading considering she missed Wimbledon and only played at the US Open still ill)

malaye
Jun 4th, 2005, 04:47 PM
What Treufreund said. But so far Justine is a winner for come back player of the year :worship:

Tennisaddict
Jun 4th, 2005, 04:55 PM
Justine missed one slam. Seles missed 13. How is that comparable?:shrug: Serena missed two, Clijsters missed three, Graf missed at least 4, Venus also missed only one, but few would argue that Venus is as good as Justine.

I don't think a few but a lot of people would argue your incorrect comment that Justine is better than Venus. Justine is better than Venus right now obviously but she isn't better than the in-form Venus as was proven many times when Venus dominated their H2H's, 7:1 to Venus.

manu
Jun 4th, 2005, 04:58 PM
Justine missed one slam. Seles missed 13. How is that comparable?:shrug: Serena missed two, Clijsters missed three, Graf missed at least 4, Venus also missed only one, but few would argue that Venus is as good as Justine.

Kim missed four. And well, Justine missed one, but she was still ill at the US Open, and actually also at the French, so you could argue she missed one, but also that she missed 3 or even 4 if you take the word "injured" very litteraly. :angel:

turt
Jun 4th, 2005, 05:00 PM
I don't think a few but a lot of people would argue your incorrect comment that Justine is better than Venus. Justine is better than Venus right now obviously but she isn't better than the in-form Venus as was proven many times when Venus dominated their H2H's, 7:1 to Venus.
Yeah but the in-form Venus didn't have to play against the Slam champion Justine, so it shouldn't count to determine who's the better player...

Now Venus and Justine both have 4 GS and the Olympics, so we could start comparing their achievement (in singles)... Of course Venus has 6 more GS finals and Justine only has one more.

azmad_88
Jun 4th, 2005, 05:01 PM
but Both serena and justine are better doubles player than Justine

turt
Jun 4th, 2005, 05:03 PM
but Both serena and justine are better doubles player than Justine
lol this doesn't make any sense ;)

Anyway I talked about singles achievements, I think it's clearly stated in my post

manu
Jun 4th, 2005, 05:04 PM
I don't think a few but a lot of people would argue your incorrect comment that Justine is better than Venus. Justine is better than Venus right now obviously but she isn't better than the in-form Venus as was proven many times when Venus dominated their H2H's, 7:1 to Venus.

Well, Venus indeed leads 7-1, but all of those match-ups took place before summer 2003, when Venus was still playing at her best or close to it. Justine only started playing great from then on, so it doesn't tell us who is best IMO. The comparison is irrelevant anyway: I don't think you can say one of them is obviously better than the other when both have won exactly 4 Slams and the Olympics. I guess Justine could set herself apart if she wins a Wimbledon title.

treufreund
Jun 4th, 2005, 05:09 PM
Well, Venus indeed leads 7-1, but all of those match-ups took place before summer 2003, when Venus was still playing at her best or close to it. Justine only started playing great from then on, so it doesn't tell us who is best IMO. The comparison is irrelevant anyway: I don't think you can say one of them is obviously better than the other when both have won exactly 4 Slams and the Olympics. I guess Justine could set herself apart if she wins a Wimbledon title.


justine has more weeks at #1 and has won 3 of 4 slams whereas venus only has 2 of 4. ;) Justine's won 4 of 5 finals in grand slams (lost her first one in 3 sets to venus but venus's percentage is much worse :( like 4 of 9 I think )

manu
Jun 4th, 2005, 05:15 PM
justine has more weeks at #1 and has won 3 of 4 slams whereas venus only has 2 of 4. ;) Justine's won 4 of 5 finals in grand slams (lost her first one in 3 sets to venus but venus's percentage is much worse :( like 4 of 9 I think )

Well, you can use your arguments in both ways: Venus has 2 Wimbledon titles among the 4 she won, and that's a very great achievement. She also won Wimbledon, US Open AND the Olympics back-to-back during a 35-match winning streak :eek:

And Justine has a better record in Slam finals, but on the other hand Venus reached 4 more finals...

However, I think they're pretty even career-wise. IMO Justine would set herself apart with 1 Wimbledon or 2 other Slam titles.

Calimero377
Jun 4th, 2005, 07:01 PM
Well, you can use your arguments in both ways: Venus has 2 Wimbledon titles among the 4 she won, and that's a very great achievement. She also won Wimbledon, US Open AND the Olympics back-to-back during a 35-match winning streak :eek:

And Justine has a better record in Slam finals, but on the other hand Venus reached 4 more finals...

However, I think they're pretty even career-wise. IMO Justine would set herself apart with 1 Wimbledon or 2 other Slam titles.



When Enna retires one day in the future she will have won the most slams in the 21st century until then.
No doubt about it.

SJW
Jun 4th, 2005, 07:03 PM
When Enna retires one day in the future she will have won the most slams in the 21st century until then.
No doubt about it.

:lol: :lol:

Tennisaddict
Jun 4th, 2005, 08:01 PM
Yeah but the in-form Venus didn't have to play against the Slam champion Justine, so it shouldn't count to determine who's the better player...

Now Venus and Justine both have 4 GS and the Olympics, so we could start comparing their achievement (in singles)... Of course Venus has 6 more GS finals and Justine only has one more.

How do you know, I'm sure that Justine would have won Oz 2003 and Wimbledon 2003 if she wasn't stopped by the WS. She was already in slam winning form as she proved so by winning the FO 2003, Us Open 2003 and Oz 2004. She was just stopped by a better Venus or Serena. She won the last two when the sisters were out injured or a non-factor, and the first after a hardfought victory over Serena. Are you trying to say that she found her slam winning form in May 2003 just to have it dissapear at Wimbledon and
come back to her at the Us Open? I don't think so. I'm pretty sure that Justine would have at least two more slams if it were not for the WS because she was beating everybody at that time except the WS, so it shows that she was the best after them, which clearly showed when they left injured, and is currently being shown too, for other reasons.

Tennisaddict
Jun 4th, 2005, 08:14 PM
Well, Venus indeed leads 7-1, but all of those match-ups took place before summer 2003, when Venus was still playing at her best or close to it. Justine only started playing great from then on, so it doesn't tell us who is best IMO. The comparison is irrelevant anyway: I don't think you can say one of them is obviously better than the other when both have won exactly 4 Slams and the Olympics. I guess Justine could set herself apart if she wins a Wimbledon title.

I will say again that Justine was in great form in 2003 even before the summer, the comparison isn't irrelevant IMO, because if you watch the OZ 2003 semifinal between Justine and Venus you will see that Justine was already very buff and muscled and in form, but Venus still blew her off the court. Justine proved her form further by winning the French that year and the Us Open, she was held back at Wimbledon by Serena. I know a lot of people will see things differently and that's fine by me, but I honestly believe that Justine was in slam winning form in 2003 but that the WS were better than her. There hasn't changed much also in the two years that passed by, Justine is still beating everybody she's supposed to beat.

turt
Jun 4th, 2005, 08:25 PM
Well, early 2003 Justine wasn't that great of a hardcourt player: she lost to Kim twice, to Venus, and to Chanda Rubin. She stepped it up after her boost in confidence that her RG title gave to her!

After her good claycourt season, few people thought she would do well on hardcourt, even though the sisters weren't there. Everybody predicted she would lose to Kim, Jen, well any top 10 player actually. She went undefeated on summer hardcourts, beating the whole bunch of Russians in addition to Kim and Jen, even though she was supposedly going to lose to them...

Tennisaddict
Jun 4th, 2005, 09:11 PM
Well, early 2003 Justine wasn't that great of a hardcourt player: she lost to Kim twice, to Venus, and to Chanda Rubin. She stepped it up after her boost in confidence that her RG title gave to her!

After her good claycourt season, few people thought she would do well on hardcourt, even though the sisters weren't there. Everybody predicted she would lose to Kim, Jen, well any top 10 player actually. She went undefeated on summer hardcourts, beating the whole bunch of Russians in addition to Kim and Jen, even though she was supposedly going to lose to them...

I agree Henin's confidence must have risen very high after her RG win but it didn't help her against Serena in Wimby and altough she was losing to Kim and Chanda Rubin, she also did show early in the year that she was a top contender in OZ 2003 and a good hard court player by reaching the semifinal, she just got beaten by a better hard court player. On rebound ace in this case. I think she knew very well that the only thing then, that were standing in her way to slam titles were the WS.

VivalaSeles
Jun 4th, 2005, 09:22 PM
I will say again that Justine was in great form in 2003 even before the summer, the comparison isn't irrelevant IMO, because if you watch the OZ 2003 semifinal between Justine and Venus you will see that Justine was already very buff and muscled and in form, but Venus still blew her off the court. Justine proved her form further by winning the French that year and the Us Open, she was held back at Wimbledon by Serena. I know a lot of people will see things differently and that's fine by me, but I honestly believe that Justine was in slam winning form in 2003 but that the WS were better than her. There hasn't changed much also in the two years that passed by, Justine is still beating everybody she's supposed to beat.

The big question is: is Venus still in her 2002/beginning of 2003 form? Can she ever regain that form? Is she doing what she needs to in order to regain that form?

bandabou
Jun 4th, 2005, 09:22 PM
When Enna retires one day in the future she will have won the most slams in the 21st century until then.
No doubt about it.

she´s getting pretty stiff competition from Serena in that department though..

franny
Jun 4th, 2005, 09:25 PM
I agree Henin's confidence must have risen very high after her RG win but it didn't help her against Serena in Wimby and altough she was losing to Kim and Chanda Rubin, she also did show early in the year that she was a top contender in OZ 2003 and a good hard court player by reaching the semifinal, she just got beaten by a better hard court player. On rebound ace in this case. I think she knew very well that the only thing then, that were standing in her way to slam titles were the WS.

1. The Henin-Hardenne of the French Open 03 was nowhere near the Henin-hardenne of Aussie Open. Had she played Venus in Roland Garros 03, she would have won.

2. Serena is one of the best grasscourt players out there. There was no chance for Henin to beat Serena. In fact, if Henin had played Venus at Wimbledon, I think she would have lost.

3. Venus was at the top of her game in Aussie 03. Henin was not the hardcourt player she was when she won the U.S Open. Had Henin and Venus played in U.S Open 04, I don't know who would have won. It would have been a close match though. I think that Henin at her best is comparable to the Williams at their best. The advantage they have over her in power she makes up for in variety.

4. I'm not saying that Henin-Hardenne is better at her peak than Venus and Serena at their peak. Venus and Serena at their peak played some of the best tennis ever. I'm just merely saying that you cannot compare Henin-Hardenne of Aussie Open 03 to Henin-Hardenne of U.S Open 03. SHe had neither the confident nor belief yet to win a major. Her big breakthrough was beating Serena at Charleston and then winning the French. I think it is wrong to say that Venus owns Henin-Hardenne because their matches were played when Venus was at her peak and Henin-hardenne was still developing. They have yet to play a match where both were at their peak. The Aussie Open of 03 should not stand as the one example for when both were at their best so hence Venus is better than Justine. Even if we do use that match as a standard, it is one match and there have been one-sided matches that is not at all representative of how well one player and another matches up.

manu
Jun 4th, 2005, 09:25 PM
I will say again that Justine was in great form in 2003 even before the summer, the comparison isn't irrelevant IMO, because if you watch the OZ 2003 semifinal between Justine and Venus you will see that Justine was already very buff and muscled and in form, but Venus still blew her off the court. Justine proved her form further by winning the French that year and the Us Open, she was held back at Wimbledon by Serena. I know a lot of people will see things differently and that's fine by me, but I honestly believe that Justine was in slam winning form in 2003 but that the WS were better than her. There hasn't changed much also in the two years that passed by, Justine is still beating everybody she's supposed to beat.

Yes that's true, in 2003 Justine was already in Slam winning form, but not before April/May when she finally came over her mental hurdle and started beating Kim and Serena more consistently. As turt said, she still had 2-set losses to Kim in Sydney and Antwerp and also to Rubin in the early months of 2003. So the AO match IMO doesn't proove anything. But I'm not able to say that Justine was better than the WS either. :) I just think that Venus and Justine have never played a match against each other when both in top form. Justine and Serena have more of these matches: Serena was at her peak from beginning of 2002 until summer 2003 and Justine was at her peak from late spring 2003, so if we take a look at their 2002-2003 record we see it's 3-3. So IMO there's no proof of the WS being better than Justine.

bandabou
Jun 4th, 2005, 09:38 PM
Just a shame that Henin always got to play Serena on Henin´s best surface and Serena´s weakest, while Serena only got to play Justine once on a surface that favours Serena.

Tennisaddict
Jun 4th, 2005, 09:51 PM
The big question is: is Venus still in her 2002/beginning of 2003 form? Can she ever regain that form? Is she doing what she needs to in order to regain that form?

Venus obviously isn't in her 2002/2003 form, I hope she will regain her form and I think she can but we''ll see what mother time holds in store for Venus in the future.

TomTennis
Jun 4th, 2005, 11:30 PM
HUH?! What is this thread about!??

Unless i am mistaken, Justiene missed ONE grand slam. the Aussie Open 2005. Its not really a comeback is it!!??!!

AND YES, Serena Williams did do it, and she did it with style.

Serena Williams missed AO 2002, and cameback to win the next FOUR grand slams in a row. I think thats a little better than Justiene winning this years FO!

Someone please feel free to correct me if im wrong, but i really dont think i am!

manu32
Jun 5th, 2005, 12:15 AM
i don't understand???? i saw henin at uso 2004 (and olympics just before) and today.....so just missing AO ....c'est du délire là.......

she won olympics 9 months ago ......i hope the baby is perfect?????

minboy
Jun 5th, 2005, 12:26 AM
HUH?! What is this thread about!??

Unless i am mistaken, Justiene missed ONE grand slam. the Aussie Open 2005. Its not really a comeback is it!!??!!

AND YES, Serena Williams did do it, and she did it with style.

Serena Williams missed AO 2002, and cameback to win the next FOUR grand slams in a row. I think thats a little better than Justiene winning this years FO!

Someone please feel free to correct me if im wrong, but i really dont think i am!

3 tournaments over 12 months isn't exactly a regular injury-free season, is it?
Serena missed AO 2002. That's it, it's just one tournament. Every player misses one big tournament from time to time. Not all players play less than 10 matches within a year.

I guess everything is good to dimunish Justine's credit for some people. Why am I not even surprised??

Kart
Jun 5th, 2005, 12:36 AM
3 tournaments over 12 months isn't exactly a regular injury-free season, is it?
Serena missed AO 2002. That's it, it's just one tournament. Every player misses one big tournament from time to time. Not all players play less than 10 matches within a year.

I guess everything is good to dimunish Justine's credit for some people. Why am I not even surprised??

Erm, I'm not convinced 'diminishing' Serena's credit is the best method of qualifying Justine's ...

minboy
Jun 5th, 2005, 12:37 AM
Erm, I'm not convinced 'diminishing' Serena's credit is the best method of qualifying Justine's ...

How did I diminish Serena's credit?:confused:

Tennisaddict
Jun 5th, 2005, 12:53 AM
1. The Henin-Hardenne of the French Open 03 was nowhere near the Henin-hardenne of Aussie Open. Had she played Venus in Roland Garros 03, she would have won.

2. Serena is one of the best grasscourt players out there. There was no chance for Henin to beat Serena. In fact, if Henin had played Venus at Wimbledon, I think she would have lost.

3. Venus was at the top of her game in Aussie 03. Henin was not the hardcourt player she was when she won the U.S Open. Had Henin and Venus played in U.S Open 04, I don't know who would have won. It would have been a close match though. I think that Henin at her best is comparable to the Williams at their best. The advantage they have over her in power she makes up for in variety.

4. I'm not saying that Henin-Hardenne is better at her peak than Venus and Serena at their peak. Venus and Serena at their peak played some of the best tennis ever. I'm just merely saying that you cannot compare Henin-Hardenne of Aussie Open 03 to Henin-Hardenne of U.S Open 03. SHe had neither the confident nor belief yet to win a major. Her big breakthrough was beating Serena at Charleston and then winning the French. I think it is wrong to say that Venus owns Henin-Hardenne because their matches were played when Venus was at her peak and Henin-hardenne was still developing. They have yet to play a match where both were at their peak. The Aussie Open of 03 should not stand as the one example for when both were at their best so hence Venus is better than Justine. Even if we do use that match as a standard, it is one match and there have been one-sided matches that is not at all representative of how well one player and another matches up.

1 That's speculation on your part and I wonder why because I don't think we would have heard these comments if Justine would have won that match against Venus. She didn't because Venus was the better player on the day.
RG 2003 would probably been won by Justine since she's the better clay courter. But even then she won it by barely getting trough a hard fought semifinal match with Serena so what does that say about her form then. You're saying the Henin at RG 2003 was a different one from the Henin at Oz 2003, I don't see much difference since she had to fight her way trough a match on her best surface against Serena. I don't think she improved that much between the two aforementioned slams.

2 In point 4 you said that you think that Henin at her best is comparable to the WS at their best. Shouldn't she be able to win from Serena on grass then? You said no yourself since Serena is the better grass courter.

3 WS advantage (when at their best) over Henin, does not lie in power alone but they're also faster and their games are more suited for multiple surfaces.

4 I never said Venus owns Henin and that one match at Oz 2003 doesn't say it all, but the H2H's is very telling. I find it very strange that Henin suddenly hit form when she started to win the big titles but was inexperienced, not in-form and/or lacked confidence whenever she lost to Venus. To me it only reaffirms my opinion that Henin probably would have won the career grand slam in 2003 had it not been for the sisters.

Tennisaddict
Jun 5th, 2005, 01:07 AM
Yes that's true, in 2003 Justine was already in Slam winning form, but not before April/May when she finally came over her mental hurdle and started beating Kim and Serena more consistently. As turt said, she still had 2-set losses to Kim in Sydney and Antwerp and also to Rubin in the early months of 2003. So the AO match IMO doesn't proove anything. But I'm not able to say that Justine was better than the WS either. :) I just think that Venus and Justine have never played a match against each other when both in top form. Justine and Serena have more of these matches: Serena was at her peak from beginning of 2002 until summer 2003 and Justine was at her peak from late spring 2003, so if we take a look at their 2002-2003 record we see it's 3-3. So IMO there's no proof of the WS being better than Justine.

First of all, the wins Justine had over Serena are all on clay her best surface. I have yet to see Justine beat Serena on grass/hardcourts/rebound ace.
Second of all I saw that match between Venus and Justine at Oz and while it isn't a complete measure of who was better, I didn't see Justine struggle with mental issues. She was trying to find a way to get into the match by charging the net or by trying to outhit Venus from the baseline. She simply couldn't make a dent in Venus' game. Now the reason I'm saying that the WS at their best are better than Justine at her best is my opinion and I'm not trying to state it as a fact.

It's sad that Venus and Serena aren't in their best form anymore, because I would love to see them pick up their old rivalries again with not just Justine but also with Davenport, Clijsters and a healthy Capriati.

manu
Jun 5th, 2005, 01:26 AM
First of all, the wins Justine had over Serena are all on clay her best surface. I have yet to see Justine beat Serena on grass/hardcourts/rebound ace.

I agree.

Second of all I saw that match between Venus and Justine at Oz and while it isn't a complete measure of who was better, I didn't see Justine struggle with mental issues. She was trying to find a way to get into the match by charging the net or by trying to outhit Venus from the baseline. She simply couldn't make a dent in Venus' game.

Hmm, I don't think Justine ONLY improved mentally to become a Grand Slam champion, but I do think that was an important factor in the process. So I think she was also still improving game-wise to become the champion she is now. Otherwise I don't think she would have given such little opposition in early 2003, not taking a set off Kim in 2 losses, Chanda nor Venus. And it's logical that mental issues didn't have much to do in that AO loss to Venus. Venus was obviously the better player on that day. Mental strength becomes much more of a factor when things get really tight.



Now the reason I'm saying that the WS at their best are better than Justine at her best is my opinion and I'm not trying to state it as a fact.

It's sad that Venus and Serena aren't in their best form anymore, because I would love to see them pick up their old rivalries again with not just Justine but also with Davenport, Clijsters and a healthy Capriati.

I appreciate that you state that it's only your opinion, unlike other posters who try to make other posters believe their opinion is the holy truth:yeah:

Indeed, it's sad that the sisters aren't playing up to their potential or in fact far from it these days, as I also think they would still dominate most of today's field if in top shape. However, I do believe they'd have stiffer competition than in 2000-2002 when they dominated, because players like Justine and Kim (and others) have become better while the sisters were playing worse. But that's also just an opinion. ;)

SelesFan70
Jun 5th, 2005, 01:39 AM
Justine's comeback Major was the US Open last year after the Olympics...and she didn't win it, so I have NO IDEA what this thread is about. :shrug:

manu
Jun 5th, 2005, 01:41 AM
Justine's comeback Major was the US Open last year after the Olympics...and she didn't win it, so I have NO IDEA what this thread is about. :shrug:

She was out for more than 6 months after the US Open and missed the Australian Open. So kind of 2 comebacks for her the past year, but it's still a comeback.

Tennisaddict
Jun 5th, 2005, 02:01 AM
I agree.

Hmm, I don't think Justine ONLY improved mentally to become a Grand Slam champion, but I do think that was an important factor in the process. So I think she was also still improving game-wise to become the champion she is now. Otherwise I don't think she would have given such little opposition in early 2003, not taking a set off Kim in 2 losses, Chanda nor Venus. And it's logical that mental issues didn't have much to do in that AO loss to Venus. Venus was obviously the better player on that day. Mental strength becomes much more of a factor when things get really tight.

I appreciate that you state that it's only your opinion, unlike other posters who try to make other posters believe their opinion is the holy truth:yeah:

Indeed, it's sad that the sisters aren't playing up to their potential or in fact far from it these days, as I also think they would still dominate most of today's field if in top shape. However, I do believe they'd have stiffer competition than in 2000-2002 when they dominated, because players like Justine and Kim (and others) have become better while the sisters were playing worse. But that's also just an opinion. ;)


I knew you would agree :p.

Like I said before, I do believe that Justine's game was there already to virtually beat Venus in early 2003, but her mental weaknesses might have been holding her back then, altough they were not apparent to me in that match. Furthermore it is possible to give little to no opposition to any opponent when your mental toughness is low. It's very hard to win a match if you don't believe you can win it. Venus unfortunately is living proof of that nowadays.

I agree the competition has changed but that's a good thing IMO. Tennis is supposed to evolve and a deeper competition only means much more exciting matches for us spectators/fans to watch.

Buitenzorg
Jun 5th, 2005, 04:42 AM
:rolleyes: :eek: :)

Go Justine :) just enjoys your RG titles for the 2nd time ;)

SpikeyAidanm
Jun 5th, 2005, 04:46 AM
Serena did it in 2002, won RG (without playing Aus Open)

Junex
Jun 5th, 2005, 04:56 AM
Serena did it in 2002, won RG (without playing Aus Open)


That is not a comeback!

if you consider, at least six months (most of the season) of not playing competitive tennis qualifies as a comeback.

turt
Jun 5th, 2005, 09:33 AM
That is not a comeback!

if you consider, at least six months (most of the season) of not playing competitive tennis qualifies as a comeback.
Yeah, this is a fair criteria, because you can claim an injury protected ranking after missing 6 months :)

Fingon
Jun 5th, 2005, 10:08 AM
HUH?! What is this thread about!??

Unless i am mistaken, Justiene missed ONE grand slam. the Aussie Open 2005. Its not really a comeback is it!!??!!

AND YES, Serena Williams did do it, and she did it with style.

Serena Williams missed AO 2002, and cameback to win the next FOUR grand slams in a row. I think thats a little better than Justiene winning this years FO!

Someone please feel free to correct me if im wrong, but i really dont think i am!

yes, you are wrong because you don't measure it by the number of GS missed.

what Serena did in 2002 was great, but she was only injured, she didn't have a debilitating virus that kept her off the courts for 7 months.

Even when Justine played the US Open she was far from healthy.

So, the comeback is for an obvious to everyone except you serious illness.

whatever.

rikvanlooy
Jun 8th, 2005, 02:48 PM
I don't think a few but a lot of people would argue your incorrect comment that Justine is better than Venus. Justine is better than Venus right now obviously but she isn't better than the in-form Venus as was proven many times when Venus dominated their H2H's, 7:1 to Venus.

Again that h2h !

When was that : in 1999, 2000 ?

The last time they met was 2,5 years ago.

JHH is leading Kuzn. 7-1, but I am not sure JHH is going to win everytime they meet.

Who really thinks Venus is going to win against JHH at the moment ?

VRee_Willario
Jun 8th, 2005, 03:58 PM
:worship: :worship: :worship: Serena won her first Slam back at the French 2002, she had missed the 2002 Australian Open due to Ankle Injury, and then sweeped the last three!
Amazing! :worship:

Tennisaddict
Jun 8th, 2005, 05:48 PM
Who really thinks Venus is going to win against JHH at the moment ?[/QUOTE]

Did you read my post in full or what :rolleyes:. I already stated that Justine is the better player right now, so your comment is pretty useless.