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Calimero377
Jun 4th, 2005, 03:02 PM
IMO, yes!

She is the best player currently, got a tremendous psychological boost with today's FO win and Serena has not been in top form in last 2 years.

And who else could stop Justine?

:worship:

ezekiel
Jun 4th, 2005, 03:04 PM
No!!!
I could name a couple of women whose game will favour faster grass surface but the list is long and I might miss some.

VivalaSeles
Jun 4th, 2005, 03:07 PM
Why don't you choose other players to support, Gunther? Don't you think you bring enough shame to the Graf camp?

bandabou
Jun 4th, 2005, 03:09 PM
Well at least he still respects Serena enough that he sees her as the only rival to Enna.

Enna´s been serving plenty big lately and if she can keep the % up, she might well win wimby....but if she has to hit too many second serves then I don´t see her winning wimby.

SJW
Jun 4th, 2005, 03:10 PM
dont quite recall Gaudio and Myskina being faves for the title last year :scratch:

clay and grass are completely different. that's why the "double" is so prestigous. as a Graf fan(atic) i thought you would realise that :o

justine&coria
Jun 4th, 2005, 03:12 PM
If Justine serves the way she served today against Mary, why not ?
But, it's too early to predict, and .... predictions don't mean anything. :o

jfk
Jun 4th, 2005, 03:13 PM
She's the favorite, yes. She seems to be hitting the ball harder than she did before her virus. Only players who she would worry about are Serena, Davenport, and Sharapova. Serena is going to be very rusty come Wimbledon. Davenport would need to be at the top of her game to beat Henin, and I'm not sure she could pull it off for 3 sets. Sharapova is going to be at a huge psychological disadvantage after losing to Henin here. She'll also need to keep the UE's down.

nicky007
Jun 4th, 2005, 03:14 PM
she is having a rest because of her virus. I wonder how much practice on grass she would have before wimbledon.

cellophane
Jun 4th, 2005, 03:15 PM
Sharapova is going to be at a huge psychological disadvantage after losing to Henin here. She'll also need to keep the UE's down.

Why would she? She knows this match was on clay...

SJW
Jun 4th, 2005, 03:16 PM
Sharapova wont sweat about losing on clay...Serena never did.

gmak
Jun 4th, 2005, 03:18 PM
Serena,Lindsay and Maria will definitely have something to say about that ;)

Julia1968
Jun 4th, 2005, 03:20 PM
Its going to be a tough Wimbledon. Justine will do well, but Maria is just awesome on faster surfaces.

lucashg
Jun 4th, 2005, 03:21 PM
She's one of the favorites, but she's only played one fast-court tournament this year and it wasn't even that fast as most of you know Miami is one of the slowest hard-courts there is.

I believe she'll pull out of Eastbourne now and we won't know exactly how she's gonna play. The early rounds really will tell, but then... early rounds don't mean much to Justine unless she loses :p

shap_half
Jun 4th, 2005, 03:22 PM
Don't care who the favorites are. Let's face it, unless you're a Justine fan, you're never really going to see the talent and drive behind her to consider her a contender for anything outside clay. It's alright though. As long as she keeps winning titles and proving you people wrong, you can say anything you want.

spencercarlos
Jun 4th, 2005, 03:22 PM
IMO, yes!

She is the best player currently, got a tremendous psychological boost with today's FO win and Serena has not been in top form in last 2 years.

And who else could stop Justine?

:worship:
this bozo forgets that Enna the big Enna almost lost to Kuznetsova...
Oh well if he thinks Henin is to win Wimbledon 05 let him...

Smackie
Jun 4th, 2005, 03:23 PM
She will do well but will have to work very hard to get the title.

Can you guys see what I see?

No Russian GS winner this year.

azmad_88
Jun 4th, 2005, 03:24 PM
Kim Clijsters will win Wimbledon and shock us all

shap_half
Jun 4th, 2005, 03:25 PM
this bozo forgets that Enna the big Enna almost lost to Kuznetsova...
Oh well if he thinks Henin is to win Wimbledon 05 let him...

almost doesn't count.
Serena almost lost to Maria at Oz.
Serena almost lost to Sveta at Beijing.
Maria almost lost to Ai at Wimbledon.
Maria almost lost to Lindsay at Wimbledon.

You can live off of all the almost you want.
Have fun! :wavey:

treufreund
Jun 4th, 2005, 03:28 PM
Its going to be a tough Wimbledon. Justine will do well, but Maria is just awesome on faster surfaces.


Let's see Maria deal with 121 mph serve and nasty slice backhands and drop shots on slippery grass. let's see how she fares against a player who trade power shots and throw in variety and can come to net. let's see how she deals with the pressure of defending and dealing with a non-choker like Davey was and someone in shape (unlike Serena last year). Sharapova is AWESOME!! but she is BY NO MEANS A SHOE-IN!!!

malaye
Jun 4th, 2005, 03:28 PM
I believe she'll pull out of Eastbourne now and we won't know exactly how she's gonna play. The early rounds really will tell, but then... early rounds don't mean much to Justine unless she loses :p
She already has.
To answer the question, Justine is definitely one of the main contenders, not THE favorite.

gmak
Jun 4th, 2005, 03:28 PM
i forgot Kim, she surely is one of the favourites and she will be fully fit until then

but i think Kim has a better chance for the US Open ;)

bandabou
Jun 4th, 2005, 03:29 PM
Don't care who the favorites are. Let's face it, unless you're a Justine fan, you're never really going to see the talent and drive behind her to consider her a contender for anything outside clay. It's alright though. As long as she keeps winning titles and proving you people wrong, you can say anything you want.

Oh spare us the drama....she is one of the favourites, but how can we call her THE favourite when she´s never wimbledon and still has to deal with players who, face it, ARE better than her on faster surfaces?

and everybody sees her talent....she is the most talented by almost everybody out there. Talk about nobody saying your talent ANYWHERE? Talk to a Williams...when they win it´s because they are big and strong..

spencercarlos
Jun 4th, 2005, 03:31 PM
almost doesn't count.
Serena almost lost to Maria at Oz.
Serena almost lost to Sveta at Beijing.
Maria almost lost to Ai at Wimbledon.
Maria almost lost to Lindsay at Wimbledon.

You can live off of all the almost you want.
Have fun! :wavey:
Point is that the only top ten player being a good clay courter that she played almost beat her, in fact choked against Henin. Henin surely dominated on her last 3 matches but Masha (on clay), Petrova and Pierce (today) are not grand slam contenders for this event.
Wimbledon will be a different story.

vettipooh
Jun 4th, 2005, 03:38 PM
She is def in contention for the title, but not the clear cut favourite. With Kim, Serena, Maria, and Lindsay in the draw, anything is possible.;)

Tennisaddict
Jun 4th, 2005, 03:41 PM
Don't care who the favorites are. Let's face it, unless you're a Justine fan, you're never really going to see the talent and drive behind her to consider her a contender for anything outside clay. It's alright though. As long as she keeps winning titles and proving you people wrong, you can say anything you want.

Don't speak for all non- Justine fans because you don't know what they see in Henin. I'm not a fan of Justine but I know she's one of the best players on tour. The only real threats to her are Venus and Serena in top form, however they're obviously not at the moment, so I do think she has a strong chance to win Wimbledon. That's not to say that other players can't beat her but she seems mentally stronger than most top players nowadays.
I would not call her the favourite by a long shot though, since we don't know which Kuznetsova will show up, I believe she has the game to beat Henin on any surface if she keeps her head straight.
Sharapova is also probably eager to prove herself, Davenport might also surprise everybody and take it so there are a lot of contenders for the title.
I just hope it will be a hotly contested tournament with much drama and high quality play the women's tour owes us tennis fans that much and more after a boring FO :fiery:.

Chunchun
Jun 4th, 2005, 03:47 PM
V/S will kick her on grass :tape:

manu
Jun 4th, 2005, 03:50 PM
Certainly NO in the meaning of top-favourite. She's a favourite IMO, along with Lindsay, Serena (if she shows up?) and Maria.

Other contenders (but not favourites) are Amélie, Kim and Venus (she could even be a favourite if she would finally play herself into real form but haven't seen that happen for 2 years now).

So, considering the FO only had one REAL favourite I think and hope Wimby's gonna be a lot more exciting :yeah:

-Ph51-
Jun 4th, 2005, 03:53 PM
dont quite recall Gaudio and Myskina being faves for the title last year :scratch:

clay and grass are completely different. that's why the "double" is so prestigous. as a Graf fan(atic) i thought you would realise that :o
She played the Wimby final though :angel:

G1Player2
Jun 4th, 2005, 03:54 PM
Its going to be a tough Wimbledon. Justine will do well, but Maria is just awesome on faster surfaces.

I don't agree w/ you much but I certainly do agree w/ you here espeically considering the fact that some people say JHH is a bigger favorite than the defending champion Maria Sharapova...

-Ph51-
Jun 4th, 2005, 03:55 PM
Its going to be a tough Wimbledon. Justine will do well, but Maria is just awesome on faster surfaces.
So is Kim :devil:

rottweily
Jun 4th, 2005, 03:56 PM
Not favorite, but she will definately go for it at 200%.
Only slam still missing!

turt
Jun 4th, 2005, 03:56 PM
I don't agree w/ you much but I certainly do agree w/ you here espeically considering the fact that some people say JHH is a bigger favorite than the defending champion Maria Sharapova...
Well Justine was a bigger favourite than the defending champion Anastasia Myskina in Roland Garros ;)

treufreund
Jun 4th, 2005, 03:56 PM
V/S will kick her on grass :tape:


Venus??? really? she has done nothing in years. Theoretically you are right because at one point she had the game but even in her last win, Justine took a set off of her and that was a Justine who was only about half as strong as these days. Venus on the other hand is not the player she used to be.

Serena has a more legitimate chance but she is very inconsistent with her level of play.

treufreund
Jun 4th, 2005, 03:59 PM
So is Kim :devil:


Kim better sort out that forehand, and really fast. I am not so convinced about Clijsters being about to keep her nerve in a major. Her game is good enough to win but she is still beatable by the big hitters and the variety a la justine. She is still mentally and physically fragile. Her loss to Lindsay at the French was disappointing, very disappointing. :(

Lady
Jun 4th, 2005, 04:04 PM
Sharapova wont sweat about losing on clay...Serena never did.

Sorry to break it to you, but Sharapova ain't no Serena.

Knizzle
Jun 4th, 2005, 04:06 PM
V but even in her last win, Justine took a set off of her and that was a Justine who was only about half as strong as these days.

When was this??

G1Player2
Jun 4th, 2005, 04:08 PM
Sorry to break it to you, but Sharapova ain't no Serena.

ummm, what do you mean by this?

JustineTime
Jun 4th, 2005, 04:09 PM
dont quite recall Gaudio and Myskina being faves for the title last year :scratch:

clay and grass are completely different. that's why the "double" is so prestigous. as a Graf fan(atic) i thought you would realise that :o

2001: Runner-up.
2002: Semifinalist
2003: Semifinalist
2004: DNP

Have Gaudio or Myskina had that kind of success at Wimbledon? :confused:

Scratch a little harder, Dear! :p :tape:

That being said...

:shout:NO!!!!!!:shout:

Serena, Sharapova, :eek: Venus :eek:, Kuzzy, and several others will have a LOT to say about who holds that stupid dish this year. :rolleyes:

Nevetheless, Justine needs to step it up if she's going to win double-digit slams. :eek: :p

:lol:

:awww:

:tape:

:o

Knizzle
Jun 4th, 2005, 04:10 PM
ummm, what do you mean by this?

That Maria won't dispatch Justine on grass like Serena would do even though Justine leads the H2H on clay against both of them.

JustineTime
Jun 4th, 2005, 04:12 PM
Don't care who the favorites are. Let's face it, unless you're a Justine fan, you're never really going to see the talent and drive behind her to consider her a contender for anything outside clay. It's alright though. As long as she keeps winning titles and proving you people wrong, you can say anything you want.

:lol: :bigclap:

:tape:

fleemke³
Jun 4th, 2005, 04:29 PM
I just hope she's fit and if she ... well don't count her out :D ... mmm do count her out because she loves to surprise you all :p

Stamp Paid
Jun 4th, 2005, 04:31 PM
IMO, yes!

She is the best player currently, got a tremendous psychological boost with today's FO win and Serena has not been in top form in last 2 years.

And who else could stop Justine?

:worship:

lol, as with most things in Women's tennis, it all depends on Serena's form. coming into the tournament.

deja_entendu
Jun 4th, 2005, 04:42 PM
Um, hate to break it to you sweetie, but Serena playing her best would have a hell of a time beating the Henin we've seen in the second half of the French Open. And Serena hasn't played her best in how many years now???

But anyway, it's the same old Henin story we've heard over and over again... she can't win a Slam... she can't win a match on hard courts... she can't win a hard court Slam... she can't possibly win the Olympics... she can't beat this player... she can't beat that player... and my oh my she's beaten them all, won two French Opens, the Aussie Open, the US Open, the Olympics, and she's already a Wimbledon finalist. Now she's riding a massive winning streak, playing amazing tennis, while the pretenders are all playing average ball at best.

Justine Henin should win Wimbledon this year, and if all is fair, her and Miss Maria Sharapova will be on opposite sides of the draw.

:bounce:

Once again, Henin's drive and dedication will prove everyone wrong. I would hate to be a Henin-hater!

Stamp Paid
Jun 4th, 2005, 04:43 PM
Um, hate to break it to you sweetie, but Serena playing her best would have a hell of a time beating the Henin we've seen in the second half of the French Open. And Serena hasn't played her best in how many years now???

On clay, I agree. :angel:

LindsayRocks89
Jun 4th, 2005, 04:46 PM
i'm telling you right now, if Serena is physically fit and has got in good shape, and has been practicing and plays well early on, they she will win the title. if not then i don't see her winning. it is up to Serena.

so if Serena isn't what i said up above then Maria or Lindsay, yes Lindsay will win Wimbledon.

JustineTime
Jun 4th, 2005, 04:48 PM
...if all is fair, her and Miss Maria Sharapova will be on opposite sides of the draw.

;)

I think this would be key to Justine at least getting to the Wimby final. Dimes to donuts Maria is salivating at the idea of another shot at Justine, esp. on a faster surface, + her first title defense! :eek:

She's not the only one salivating! :drool:

Should be fun! :)

cellophane
Jun 4th, 2005, 04:49 PM
Once again, Henin's drive and dedication will prove everyone wrong. I would hate to be a Henin-hater!

Do you use the word "hater" in every one of your posts?

JustineTime
Jun 4th, 2005, 04:50 PM
i'm telling you right now, if Serena is physically fit and has got in good shape, and has been practicing and plays well early on, they she will win the title. if not then i don't see her winning. it is up to Serena.

so if Serena isn't what i said up above then Maria or Lindsay, yes Lindsay will win Wimbledon.

That's at least 5 "if"s. :tape:

She's very "if"fy, that Serena! :lol:

:p

LindsayRocks89
Jun 4th, 2005, 04:51 PM
That's at least 5 "if"s. :tape:

She's very "if"fy, that Serena! :lol:

:p

:lol:

thats why its all up to Serena.

deja_entendu
Jun 4th, 2005, 04:56 PM
Do you use the word "hater" in every one of your posts?

Unlike you and my other fans, I'm not the one keeping tabs :eek: :lol:

-Kieron-
Jun 4th, 2005, 04:58 PM
She is certainly a favourite, but I wouldnt call her THE favourite.

cellophane
Jun 4th, 2005, 05:00 PM
Unlike you and my other fans, I'm not the one keeping tabs :eek: :lol:

It's hard to miss big words like that, when there isn't anything else noteworthy in your posts. :wavey:

Paneru
Jun 4th, 2005, 05:12 PM
She is certainly a favourite, but I wouldnt call her THE favourite.

I agree.


I'd put Sharapova and Serena as
THE co-favorites for Wimbledon.

Sharapova- Defending Champ.
Serena- Runner-Up

Maria's game is suited to Wimbledon much like Venus' game
though she's not as good a vollier or mover.

I think given her mentality, game, & power she'd be
the one to dominate Henin-Hardenne so long as she
takes care.

Serena is a different story!
Serena Williams has more sheer
will than anyone I've seen on the tour.

Only after roughly 3 months after coming off a serious knee injury that took her out for like 8 months she made her way to the finals! Serena had struggles and wasn't anywhere near her best form but found a way
to fight! Her match against Mauresmo showed it very clearly!

So, if Serena can do that after only 3 months back and in that form,
I think people better recognize come Wimbledon. Serena knows how to
rise to an occassion and I see her coming in much better for as opposed
to last year and think she'll make yet another big run!


I consider Henin-Hardenne, Davenport, & possibly Mauresmo
has the next tier a favs. to possibly win.

And so on.


I also think Kim & Venus will make this even more exciting and taking into account their current ranking and the fact that both especially Venus has
a game to die for on grass we could see some top seeds upset early.

I'd be more weary of Venus than Kim as a top player simply because Venus'
game runs so hot and cold right now that she can either self-destruct or blaze right by.

Kim just doesn't seem to have her usually pop and game mentally in the Slams
which I think was illustrated again this past week in her losing to Lindsay after having a very good lead being a set and 3-1 up.

I'm very excited to Wimbledon! :)

skanky~skanketta
Jun 4th, 2005, 05:14 PM
well, wasn't kim the fave to win the french after her amazing march double? look what happened!she lost, to lindsay no less!(still very sore about that loss :mad: :fiery: )

anyway, justine will have much more competition at wimbledon. sharapova know how to play on grass. sveta will be looking to redeem her loss at the french. venus could suddenly realize that she is a 4-time slam winner, and twice at wimbledon. alicia molik (healthy) would certainly be looking to serve her way into the 2nd week. mauresmo won't have the home pressure, in fact, she'll have much less pressure than normal because lindsay, maria, the sisters and the belgians will be getting the headlines. serena will want it to be 2003 again and we all know she is one player who can turn back the clock and win tournies she's won before.kim has been saying since she came back that she can't wait for wimbledon and she is quite good on grass AND has a much improved serve.

though i'm a HUGE fan of juju, i know its a huge task to win wimbledon. and winning streaks usually do come to an end. i hope its not wimby, but lets face is, she'll have a harder time on grass. she needs to improve her 1st serve % and she needs to get to the net more.

Billy Moonshine
Jun 4th, 2005, 05:16 PM
If everyone else is playing like crap as we saw at this RG, then Henin will win.
However if Sharapova, Serena and Lindz bring their best games they will beat Henin, unless she gets really inspired. They are all better grasscouters though.
But, who knows what JHH will achieve? She has potential to be one of the best ever.
And this is only her 5th tournament in 05!
lets hope wimby is better than this Parisian choke/freeze fest .

Venus_Serena
Jun 4th, 2005, 05:26 PM
Go Venussssssss;)

Calimero377
Jun 4th, 2005, 05:33 PM
lol, as with most things in Women's tennis, it all depends on Serena's form. coming into the tournament.


If Seles had not been stabbed Serena would be toast in Wimbledon next month ...

Brooks.
Jun 4th, 2005, 05:35 PM
If Seles had not been stabbed Serena would be toast in Wimbledon next month ...

why do you have to be such a nasty bitch all the time :confused:

LindsayRocks89
Jun 4th, 2005, 05:35 PM
If Seles had not been stabbed Serena would be toast in Wimbledon next month ...

don't bring Monica into this, i think it would have been Graf that would have been toast in more Grandslams and not have as many if Seles wouldn't have been stabbed.

Wannabeknowitall
Jun 4th, 2005, 05:46 PM
I'm going to have to say no. She can't just be agressive and volley more for two weeks. Lendl tried that and it never worked. Here are the reasons why I wouldn't consider Henin a favorite. Bud Collins might of course but I don't.

1) Henin's serve. She has won all of her slams with a first serve percentage near or below 50%. She cannot do that at Wimbledon. She has to serve somewhere in the 60% the whole tourni. I don't think that's going to happen.

2) She doesn't change her gameplan enough for grass. Mauresmo has played well at Wimbledon as of late because she uses her variety and she becomes a lot more aggressive on grass. The last time Justine was aggressive on clay was the 2001 Wimbledon when she turned the match around against Capriati by going for shots on her backhand.

3) She hits a lot of her shots late because of her grip. She has to cope with that somewhere. Come to net more would be a good idea. She doesn't do it enough on grass and until I see her doing that she shouldn't be considered a favorite.

Allez-H
Jun 4th, 2005, 05:47 PM
Well she just said live on tv that wit the game she took with her the last couple of years to Wimby; she'll never win it. But her game has gotten better and especially her serve is a stronger weapon now, but she wants to celebrate this RG first and not think too much about Wimby right now. Can't say more about it :yeah:

pigam
Jun 4th, 2005, 05:50 PM
dont quite recall Gaudio and Myskina being faves for the title last year :scratch:

clay and grass are completely different. that's why the "double" is so prestigous. as a Graf fan(atic) i thought you would realise that :o
did nastya/gaudio already play a final in wimbledon: no.
does nastya hit first serves 194 km/h. no.
do nastya/gaudio have the same mentall toughness as Justine. no.

You know, I don't even want her to be a "favourite" but I don't think you can compare Justine with Nastya/gaudio only because both won RG

thelittlestelf
Jun 4th, 2005, 05:55 PM
Justine hits with way too much topspin to be the favorite... but she could well get to the semis. I actually think Kim is a better grass courter than Justine.

IMO the favorite going into the tournament is Maria, but if Serena trains hard enough she could plow through the field.

As for Venus, we'll see. She should be hungry after losing 2nd round last year and having a dismal start to the first half of 2005, so I'm keeping my fingers crossed :). She's still the best grass-courter on tour in my mind... :hearts:

SJW
Jun 4th, 2005, 05:59 PM
Sorry to break it to you, but Sharapova ain't no Serena.

she tries her best :)

on that note im watching her Sky Sports interview right now and her accent is more American than Serena's :eek:

lets face it...grass is the surface you dont want to face Sharapova or Serena on. Sharapova just lets rip. nobody wants to face her on that surface, not just Henin.

Calimero377
Jun 4th, 2005, 06:13 PM
Justine hits with way too much topspin to be the favorite...


Borg.

Knizzle
Jun 4th, 2005, 06:16 PM
Borg.

Step into the 21st century Calimero.

K.U.C.W-R.V
Jun 4th, 2005, 06:22 PM
On grass I think Maria is the favourite - then Justine & Serena.

Kim also has a good chance if she can hold herself together & Davenport is always a threat on grass.

JustineTime
Jun 4th, 2005, 06:24 PM
If Seles had not been stabbed Serena would be toast in Wimbledon next month ...

:scared: This is lunacy! :scared:

:bolt:

bandabou
Jun 4th, 2005, 06:31 PM
Rather say...sans stabbing Steffi´d be the one who has say 2 RG´s less and at least 1 Oz open...;)

Serena!
Jun 4th, 2005, 06:32 PM
The 4 Semi-Finalists: Lindsay, Serena, Maria and Justine. Either one of them can win.

lindsayno1
Jun 4th, 2005, 06:33 PM
Davenport would need to be at the top of her game to beat Henin

not necessarily. have u looked at their H2Hs plus Lindsays a lot fitter now.
JHH vs Lindsay H2H - tied at 5-5

1999 FRENCH OPEN CLAY R64 L. DAVENPORT 6-3 2-6 7-5
2000 DU MAURIER OPEN HARD R32 L. DAVENPORT 3-6 7-6(2) 6-2
2000 US OPEN HARD R16 L. DAVENPORT 6-0 6-4
2001 FILDERSTADT HARD F L. DAVENPORT 7-5 6-4
2002 ZURICH CARPET S L. DAVENPORT 7-6(2) 7-6(5)
2003 AUSTRALIAN OPEN HARD R16 J. HENIN-HARDENNE 7-5 5-7 9-7
2004 SYDNEY HARD S J. HENIN-HARDENNE W/O
2004 AUSTRALIAN OPEN HARD Q J. HENIN-HARDENNE 7-5 6-3
2004 INDIAN WELLS HARD (O) F J. HENIN-HARDENNE 6-1 6-4
2005 CHARLESTON CLAY (O) Q J. HENIN-HARDENNE 3-6 6-3 1-0 ret.

2 of Justines wins have been a walkover and Lindsay retiring injured. They've shared eachothers numbers really - depends on whos the best on the day really

I wouldnt say that shes the favourite. Its gotta be Maria and Lindsay

ys
Jun 4th, 2005, 06:37 PM
The 4 Semi-Finalists: Lindsay, Serena, Maria and Justine. Either one of them can win.

Very unlikely. The probability of these four players all making semis is about 10%..

Calimero377
Jun 4th, 2005, 06:39 PM
Step into the 21st century Calimero.


They said a baseliner with heavy top-spin could not win Wimbledon.
Then came Borg.
They said a baseliner with a slice-BH could not dethrone Navratilova at Wimby.
Then came Graf.
They said a little Belgian girl could not overcome the Williams sisters at the top.
Then came Enna.
And now they say Enna can't win Wimbledon ...

Knizzle
Jun 4th, 2005, 06:42 PM
They said a baseliner with heavy top-spin could not win Wimbledon.
Then came Borg.
They said a baseliner with a slice-BH could not dethrone Navratilova at Wimby.
Then came Graf.
They said a little Belgian girl could not overcome the Williams sisters at the top.
Then came Enna.
And now they say Enna can't win Wimbledon ...

Henin didn't exactly "overcome" the Williams sisters, let's keep it real.

Calimero377
Jun 4th, 2005, 06:42 PM
Rather say...sans stabbing Steffi´d be the one who has say 2 RG´s less and at least 1 Oz open...;)


I don't think Graf at AO 94 could have been beaten by a female.

FO 93 & 95?
Seles would have had to make the finals.
When we consider that she made only 4 finals in a 17-year-long career ...
Hmm ...

Calimero377
Jun 4th, 2005, 06:44 PM
Henin didn't exactly "overcome" the Williams sisters, let's keep it real.


She is the best woman player of the last 2 years.

Knizzle
Jun 4th, 2005, 06:46 PM
She is the best woman player of the last 2 years.

Like I said, she didn't exactly "overcome" the Williams sisters.

ys
Jun 4th, 2005, 06:47 PM
They said a little Belgian girl could not overcome the Williams sisters at the top.
Then came Enna.


The last three Grand Slams that both Serena and Henin played, Serena was the one who got deeper into the draw.. Henin replaced Williams sisters at the top, but it was not that she kicked them from the top. It was a voluntary leave. At the same token I can say that Williams sisters overcame Graf at the top.. Like it?


And now they say Enna can't win Wimbledon ...

She can.. But we need to see it.. 2 years ago Wimbledon was not about the virtues that she possessed back then.. Now, she did improve her serve and net play greatly.. We'll see..

Carsten
Jun 4th, 2005, 06:49 PM
And who else could stop Justine?

:worship:

Not Serena ;) On Grass, Sharapova or Davenport...

saki
Jun 4th, 2005, 06:50 PM
I've believed that Justine will win Wimbledon someday since the 2001 final. Unless the virus/injuries take her out of the game, I still think she'll win it. I could explain why but I can't be bothered. I've explained why I think she has an excellent game for grass before and it's not convinced anyone who didn't agree. Even if she wins Wimbledon beating Maria and Serena 6-0 6-0 on the way, there will be people saying that she wouldn't have done if they'd been playing better or some other whinging excuse. There are some people that just can't accept that Justine can win anything on her own merits. I still hear "oh, Justine can't play on hardcourt" despite the fact that she has two hardcourt slam titles. I won't make any grand claims because Justine's raquet will do the talking.

manu32
Jun 4th, 2005, 06:52 PM
The 4 Semi-Finalists: Lindsay, Serena, Maria and Justine. Either one of them can win.


ignores wta (and atp) rankings and they are right because the specificity of grass but RG must do the same because red clay is also an ovni.....do you imagine puerta,gaudio in wimby finals?????

but maybe clijsters or even ivanovic or petrova can have a chance

JustineTime
Jun 4th, 2005, 06:55 PM
Henin didn't exactly "overcome" the Williams sisters, let's keep it real.

Fair statement, but neither did the sisters knock Justine off the #1 perch, (or any other player, for that matter), but it's Justine who's currently rocketing up the rankings (remains 2B seen if that's merely coincident with the clay court season :shrug: ), while both sisters, esp. Venus are struggling/injured for the most part. :shrug:

Calimero377
Jun 4th, 2005, 06:55 PM
The last three Grand Slams that both Serena and Henin played, Serena was the one who got deeper into the draw.. Henin replaced Williams sisters at the top, but it was not that she kicked them from the top. It was a voluntary leave. At the same token I can say that Williams sisters overcame Graf at the top.. Like it? ...

Graf retired in August 1999.
Williamses won their first slam in September 1999.

Knizzle
Jun 4th, 2005, 06:57 PM
Fair statement, but neither did the sisters knock Justine off the #1 perch, (or any other player, for that matter), but it's Justine who's currently rocketing up the rankings (remains 2B seen if that's merely coincident with the clay court season :shrug: ), while both sisters, esp. Venus are struggling/injured for the most part. :shrug:

It's not even about that JiT. I was just setting Cali straight. I wouldn't say they didn't knock any other players off the top spot. They took the top 2 spots from Hingis, Capriati and Davenport.

SJW
Jun 4th, 2005, 06:59 PM
They said a baseliner with heavy top-spin could not win Wimbledon.
Then came Borg.
They said a baseliner with a slice-BH could not dethrone Navratilova at Wimby.
Then came Graf.
They said a little Belgian girl could not overcome the Williams sisters at the top.
Then came Enna.
And now they say Enna can't win Wimbledon ...

they said those ghetto fab girls couldn't beat the "smarter" Hingis on a consistent basis
they did
they said those ghetto fab girls couldn't win a slam
they did
they said those ghetto fab girls couldn't make it to number one and two
they did
they said those ghetto fab girls couldn't face off in slam finals
they did
they said those ghetto fab girls couldn't win big on clay
they did
and now they're saying they won't be competition for Henin at wimbleon....

see i like this game too :D

saki
Jun 4th, 2005, 07:01 PM
SJW - why group Serena and Venus together? I fully believe that Serena will be competition for Henin, Maria, and Sveta at Wimbledon but I don't believe that Venus will be. They're not the same person and they're certainly not at the same level right now.

SJW
Jun 4th, 2005, 07:03 PM
cuz i felt like it and for no other reason really. and its not a question of Venus' form. whatever she does on any surface it takes something special to beat her on grass. she may lose first round who knows. but i bet it takes something special...Wimbledon is a totally different story to Venus i think.

xan
Jun 4th, 2005, 07:04 PM
Justine has had a very impressive run on the clay - but that doesn't make her favourite for Wimbledon. Maria beat her on hard court and grass suits her game even better.

Justine will be one of the favourites for the title. I don't see her getting No 1 seed. That'll go to Maria, Lindsey or Serena.

Knizzle
Jun 4th, 2005, 07:04 PM
Seeds will follow rank. Why do people still think seedings will be changed??

JustineTime
Jun 4th, 2005, 07:05 PM
they said those ghetto fab girls couldn't beat the "smarter" Hingis on a consistent basis
they did
they said those ghetto fab girls couldn't win a slam
they said those ghetto fab girls couldn't make it to number one and two
they said those ghetto fab girls couldn't face off in slam finals
they said those ghetto fab girls couldn't win big on clay
and now they're saying they won't be competition for Henin at wimbleon....

see i like this game too :D

WHO'S saying that??? :confused:

Knizzle
Jun 4th, 2005, 07:25 PM
The trend for the last 5 Wimbledons have included the defending champ and the new champ facing off. Davenport won in 99, then lost to 2000 champ Venus in the finals, Venus won 20 straight Wimbledon matches before losing in the finals to 2002 champ Serena who won 20 straight Wimbledon matches before losing in the finals to 2004 champ Sharapova. So either Maria will win or whoever beats Maria will win.

manu
Jun 4th, 2005, 07:28 PM
Seeds will follow rank. Why do people still think seedings will be changed??

Wimbledon's the only tournament that adjusts the seedings according to the players' grass records or Wimbledon results in previous (5?) years...

Hmmm, I'm actually not sure of what I'm saying here :) I do know that they take previous Wimbledon results into account, but I don't know if they look at records in other grass tournaments. Anyone knows this?

Knizzle
Jun 4th, 2005, 07:29 PM
Wimbledon's the only tournament that adjusts the seedings according to the players' grass records or Wimbledon results in previous (5?) years...

Hmmm, I'm actually not sure of what I'm saying here :) I do know that they take previous Wimbledon results into account, but I don't know if they look at records in other grass tournaments. Anyone knows this?

Ever since 32 seeds went into affect Wimbledon hasn't changed the women's seeds at all. If they were going to do it they surely would have done it in 2003.

ys
Jun 4th, 2005, 07:32 PM
Seeds will follow rank. Why do people still think seedings will be changed??

I think that mostly it won't.. I do believe though that they will probably bump Venus into at least Top 12, maybe even Top 8.

Knizzle
Jun 4th, 2005, 07:32 PM
I think that mostly it won't.. I do believe though that they will probably bump Venus into at least Top 12, maybe even Top 8.

I doubt it, they never moved her up before without use of special seeding.

Knizzle
Jun 4th, 2005, 07:34 PM
But you talk like if it's 100% sure seeds won't be changed. They still can change seeds if they want to, even if they didn't do it the previous years.

This is true, they do reserve the right, but I seem to remember them saying they weren't going to change them anymore on the women's side. I could be wrong, but like I said if they didn't do it in 2003 I doubt they would all of a sudden do it now. I'd rather they just go by the ranking so no corruption can be introduced.

manu
Jun 4th, 2005, 07:49 PM
I didn't know they didn't change anything since 2003. So you're right then that it is very unlikely they will make changes this year.

Imagine a Kim versus Alicia or Venus 3rd round :o Would be a shame! Well, I guess Kim has to hope for a nice draw then...

bandabou
Jun 4th, 2005, 07:52 PM
Well then that´s it....Justine is the ONLY contender for Wimbledon, and the Williamses are history....

Knizzle
Jun 4th, 2005, 07:53 PM
I didn't know they didn't change anything since 2003. So you're right then that it is very unlikely they will make changes this year.

Imagine a Kim versus Alicia or Venus 3rd round :o Would be a shame! Well, I guess Kim has to hope for a nice draw then...

They didn't change anything in 2003, the last change I remember was Graf being moved up in 99.

harloo
Jun 4th, 2005, 07:55 PM
Henin will need alot of luck to win Wimby. On clay she has time and advantage on her side, but on grass the big babes can overpower her. ;)

Knizzle
Jun 4th, 2005, 08:01 PM
Yeah the last changes were in 1998 and 1999. I don't recall any change after that. But there wasn't really a need, this year is sort of different.

I would be in favor of moving seeds if there wasn't the possibility that some players would be favored over others because of tournament directors agendas. In 2003 Venus could have been moved up to the #2 seed over Kim and Justine and if seeds were being made according to recent grass results they would be justified in doing so. Fortunately they didn't move her or anyone else and it all worked out with S and V being on opposite sides and meeting in the final.

rikvanlooy
Jun 9th, 2005, 09:50 AM
Let's see Maria deal with 121 mph serve and nasty slice backhands and drop shots on slippery grass. let's see how she fares against a player who trade power shots and throw in variety and can come to net. let's see how she deals with the pressure of defending and dealing with a non-choker like Davey was and someone in shape (unlike Serena last year). Sharapova is AWESOME!! but she is BY NO MEANS A SHOE-IN!!!

Well said, Sharapova said that she couldn't handle the bomb serves JHH threw at her. JHH served almost 15 km per hour faster than her and JHH got more than 60 % first serves in. Sharapova got overpowered by JHH (just like Pierce).

The return of JHH was destroying the serve of Sharapova. There was only player on the playing field. I hope JHH trains hard on her serve the next few weeks and I hope that she serves at 195 plus at Wimbledon, so that everyone gets blown away.

moby
Jun 9th, 2005, 10:37 AM
The trend for the last 5 Wimbledons have included the defending champ and the new champ facing off. Davenport won in 99, then lost to 2000 champ Venus in the finals, Venus won 20 straight Wimbledon matches before losing in the finals to 2002 champ Serena who won 20 straight Wimbledon matches before losing in the finals to 2004 champ Sharapova. So either Maria will win or whoever beats Maria will win.And this trend is a law of nature, such that everyone on Maria's side of the draw will just keel over and retire.

Anyway, Justine has already said that she'll have to be very lucky to win Wimbledon this year, and that she can't outhit Maria and Serena from the baseline on grass just yet, so she'll have to come in a lot BUT she has not been properly preparing that aspect of her game this year, having just come back and all. The real Wimbledon goal is 2006 - anything this year is just a bonus.

bandabou
Jun 9th, 2005, 11:04 AM
And this trend is a law of nature, such that everyone on Maria's side of the draw will just keel over and retire.

Anyway, Justine has already said that she'll have to be very lucky to win Wimbledon this year, and that she can't outhit Maria and Serena from the baseline on grass just yet, so she'll have to come in a lot BUT she has not been properly preparing that aspect of her game this year, having just come back and all. The real Wimbledon goal is 2006 - anything this year is just a bonus.

Why the need to brace yourself? Come on, a lil faith in your fav! Maria nor Serena can´t hold a candle against Justine.

moby
Jun 9th, 2005, 11:09 AM
Why the need to brace yourself? Come on, a lil faith in your fav! Maria nor Serena can´t hold a candle against Justine.Justine fans do tend to be a little under-confident, and are generally disinclined towards the brash and arrogant behaviour exhibited by other fanbases. But what I've said comes from the woman herself. Surely she has a better grasp of where her game is at than you or me.

bandabou
Jun 9th, 2005, 11:19 AM
Justine fans do tend to be a little under-confident, and are generally disinclined towards the brash and arrogant behaviour exhibited by other fanbases. But what I've said comes from the woman herself. Surely she has a better grasp of where her game is at than you or me.

Interesting...

moby
Jun 9th, 2005, 11:27 AM
Interesting...Surprised by a top player understanding her strengths and weaknesses? I don't blame you, because that's a rarity on the WTA.

bandabou
Jun 9th, 2005, 11:35 AM
Surprised by a top player understanding her strengths and weaknesses? I don't blame you, because that's a rarity on the WTA.

No, it´s a smart thing...because deep down Justine knows she performs better when there is little pressure on her. So this could be a case of false modesty.

Junex
Jun 9th, 2005, 11:36 AM
Justine fans do tend to be a little under-confident, and are generally disinclined towards the brash and arrogant behaviour exhibited by other fanbases. But what I've said comes from the woman herself. Surely she has a better grasp of where her game is at than you or me.


I agree and very well said!

and let me say this straight, Anybody who proclaims Justine to be the Shoe-in Wimby champ is not anywhere near of being a Justine fan!

Justine fans are nver confident (over-confident), we just go on a belief that Justine can win the first match, and match after ,atch. We dnt have the mentality of saying She can win the championship just by the result of her first match, much less her performane in a previous tournament.

So if anybody get offended because somebody is saying Justine is a greater contender than the WS or Maria on grass, dnt take it against Justine or anyone in the Justine fanbase.

VRee_Willario
Jun 9th, 2005, 11:39 AM
They said a baseliner with heavy top-spin could not win Wimbledon.
Then came Borg.
They said a baseliner with a slice-BH could not dethrone Navratilova at Wimby.
Then came Graf.
They said a little Belgian girl could not overcome the Williams sisters at the top. Then came Enna
And now they say Enna can't win Wimbledon ...

:cuckoo: :silly:

Justine can beat 50+ errors-making serena or venus on clay, otherwise not. Or has she ever taken a set of the sisters on fast surfaces?
Yes, Wimbledon final, before Venus woke up and bageled her in the third

She won her Slams when Serena and Venus weren't there, expect the 70 Error-the-hand-mean-crowd-french

Junex
Jun 9th, 2005, 11:39 AM
No, it´s a smart thing...because deep down Justine knows she performs better when there is little pressure on her. So this could be a case of false modesty.


Not really. when have you hear justine saying "nobody can beat me in this tournament"? never!

the only tagline i heard from here that shows confidence is when she say "impossible is nothing" and its not even confidence but more of a belief & philosophy!

Juju #1
Jun 9th, 2005, 11:49 AM
It's going to be really easy to follow this Wimbledon. Justine already has a GS tournament in her bag and for the third year in a row. Last players to do so, were Hingis (97-99) and Davenport (98-00). I really don't expect anything from her, she will have better chance next year if she stays healthy.

DA FOREHAND
Jun 9th, 2005, 01:11 PM
this bozo forgets that Enna the big Enna almost lost to Kuznetsova...
Oh well if he thinks Henin is to win Wimbledon 05 let him...


Who hasn't almost lost to Kuznetsova?

bandabou
Jun 9th, 2005, 01:14 PM
And this trend is a law of nature, such that everyone on Maria's side of the draw will just keel over and retire.

Anyway, Justine has already said that she'll have to be very lucky to win Wimbledon this year, and that she can't outhit Maria and Serena from the baseline on grass just yet, so she'll have to come in a lot BUT she has not been properly preparing that aspect of her game this year, having just come back and all. The real Wimbledon goal is 2006 - anything this year is just a bonus.

So again....Maria and Serena only win because they´re big and strong, not because they´re better players....

Whereas it´s Justine who hits the 121 mph serves and not much slower second serves..

VRee_Willario
Jun 9th, 2005, 01:17 PM
Justine can hit bigger backhands than Serena, and hit monsterous serves, harder than Lindsay clearly. She just isn't as talented as Serena and venus, that's why she hasn't won Wimbledon

moby
Jun 9th, 2005, 01:26 PM
So again....Maria and Serena only win because they´re big and strong, not because they´re better players....

Whereas it´s Justine who hits the 121 mph serves and not much slower second serves..You can hit the ball amazingly hard, and not be that big or strong. :rolleyes: Where did I say anything about Maria and Serena being big and strong? :retard:

If you know anything about Justine's game, you'll know Justine hits a very heavy topspin-laden ball which does not translate as well to the grass as does those low flat skidding shots of Maria and Serena (not as flat). That's how she can be outhit from the baseline on grass, especially since flat shots require less preparation and a shorter backswing. :rolleyes:

On clay, the balls are slower, flat balls do not move through the court as fast as topspin ones, and topspin shots have a greater margin for error. Which is why all that nonsence about "she made too many unforced errors" and "clay causes unforced errors" is silly, because players just will NOT utilise topspin. That works on grass, where "first strike" is the rule, and you can finish the point off before you make an unforced, but don't expect it to work on clay.

Alternatively, you can continue to twist my words. BTW isn't everyone saying that Serena and Maria will blow Justine off the court with their groundies? If that's not outhitting, I don't know what is.

spencercarlos
Jun 9th, 2005, 01:26 PM
The trend for the last 5 Wimbledons have included the defending champ and the new champ facing off. Davenport won in 99, then lost to 2000 champ Venus in the finals, Venus won 20 straight Wimbledon matches before losing in the finals to 2002 champ Serena who won 20 straight Wimbledon matches before losing in the finals to 2004 champ Sharapova. So either Maria will win or whoever beats Maria will win.
Last 5 Wimbledons?
I bet not.
1997 Hingis defeated Jana, who then met again in the semis the year after 98 and ended up with Jana´s title. 1999 featured Davenport beating Jana in the Quarters, that ending up with Davenport´s trophy for that year.. So it´s been longer.. Interesting

alfajeffster
Jun 9th, 2005, 01:34 PM
I think the key for Justine is the serve. Clearly, she has been working on her first serve as well as her net game in the past few months, however, the first service percentage in particular needs to come up a bit and be more consistent in order to put her in a position to play "first strike tennis" with the big girls on grass. If she serves like she did against Pierce in the French final, she's in there with a good chance at Centre Court against anybody.

bandabou
Jun 9th, 2005, 01:37 PM
You can hit the ball amazingly hard, and not be that big or strong. :rolleyes: Where did I say anything about Maria and Serena being big and strong? :retard:

If you know anything about Justine's game, you'll know Justine hits a very heavy topspin-laden ball which does not translate as well to the grass as does those low flat skidding shots of Maria and Serena (not as flat). That's how she can be outhit from the baseline on grass, especially since flat shots require less preparation and a shorter backswing. :rolleyes:

On clay, the balls are slower, flat balls do not move through the court as fast as topspin ones, and topspin shots have a greater margin for error. Which is why all that nonsence about "she made too many unforced errors" and "clay causes unforced errors" is silly, because players just will NOT utilise topspin. That works on grass, where "first strike" is the rule, and you can finish the point off before you make an unforced, but don't expect it to work on clay.

Alternatively, you can continue to twist my words. BTW isn't everyone saying that Serena and Maria will blow Justine off the court with their groundies? If that's not outhitting, I don't know what is.

Like that....outhitting just kinda sounded like it was more about the players being stronger and bigger.

VRee_Willario
Jun 9th, 2005, 01:43 PM
You can hit the ball amazingly hard, and not be that big or strong. :rolleyes: Where did I say anything about Maria and Serena being big and strong? :retard:

If you know anything about Justine's game, you'll know Justine hits a very heavy topspin-laden ball which does not translate as well to the grass as does those low flat skidding shots of Maria and Serena (not as flat). That's how she can be outhit from the baseline on grass, especially since flat shots require less preparation and a shorter backswing. :rolleyes:

On clay, the balls are slower, flat balls do not move through the court as fast as topspin ones, and topspin shots have a greater margin for error. Which is why all that nonsence about "she made too many unforced errors" and "clay causes unforced errors" is silly, because players just will NOT utilise topspin. That works on grass, where "first strike" is the rule, and you can finish the point off before you make an unforced, but don't expect it to work on clay.

Alternatively, you can continue to twist my words. BTW isn't everyone saying that Serena and Maria will blow Justine off the court with their groundies? If that's not outhitting, I don't know what is.
Yeah, Justine's power strokes don't suit grass

spencercarlos
Jun 21st, 2005, 05:03 PM
this bozo forgets that Enna the big Enna almost lost to Kuznetsova...
Oh well if he thinks Henin is to win Wimbledon 05 let him...
:lol: sorry i had to bump it :angel: only for Calimero...

spencercarlos
Jun 21st, 2005, 05:04 PM
IMO, yes!

She is the best player currently, got a tremendous psychological boost with today's FO win and Serena has not been in top form in last 2 years.

And who else could stop Justine?

:worship:
bumpo

bandabou
Jun 21st, 2005, 05:07 PM
Ooopss.....

timray
Jun 21st, 2005, 05:14 PM
poor Enna :sad:

Veritas
Jun 21st, 2005, 05:16 PM
:lol: sorry i had to bump it :angel: only for Calimero...

I'm sure he appreciates it :) It's nice to know when the truth hurts.

tennislover
Jun 21st, 2005, 05:17 PM
IMO, yes!

She is the best player currently, got a tremendous psychological boost with today's FO win and Serena has not been in top form in last 2 years.

And who else could stop Justine?

:worship:

poor Cali....... :hug:

She is the best player currently: btw that's right

volta
Jun 21st, 2005, 05:17 PM
lmao bumping this yall are mean

bandwagons are no good people should know this by now

RenaSlam.
Jun 21st, 2005, 05:18 PM
bump bump bump.

VAMOS

RVD
Jun 21st, 2005, 05:23 PM
http://deephousepage.com/smilies/eat.gif I hear Crow Pie is really good for the soul. :haha:
Oh, and I set out a couple of extra forks for Mary C. and Martina N. Of course you'll all have to eat from the same plate. :tape: :lol: :wavey:

manu32
Jun 21st, 2005, 05:40 PM
calimero's idol:steffi said JHH to win FO and serena to win wimby......master and student......

LeRoy.
Jun 21st, 2005, 05:42 PM
IMO, yes!

She is the best player currently, got a tremendous psychological boost with today's FO win and Serena has not been in top form in last 2 years.

And who else could stop Justine?

:worship:

Eleni Danillidou ?

Lori Mcniel anyone? :)

spencercarlos
Jun 21st, 2005, 08:42 PM
Eleni Danillidou ?

Lori Mcniel anyone? :)
And Eleni won´t reach the semis btw :angel:

bandabou
Jun 21st, 2005, 09:00 PM
Cali, always the chicken...nowhere to be seen.

xan
Jun 21st, 2005, 11:11 PM
http://deephousepage.com/smilies/eat.gif I hear Crow Pie is really good for the soul. :haha:
Oh, and I set out a couple of extra forks for Mary C. and Martina N. Of course you'll all have to eat from the same plate. :tape: :lol: :wavey:

:lol: :lol:

RenaSlam.
Jun 21st, 2005, 11:15 PM
Cali where you at

Justeenium
Jun 21st, 2005, 11:15 PM
http://deephousepage.com/smilies/eat.gif I hear Crow Pie is really good for the soul. :haha:
Oh, and I set out a couple of extra forks for Mary C. and Martina N. Of course you'll all have to eat from the same plate. :tape: :lol: :wavey:
at least Mary and Martina aren't rena fans. they'll never go that low.

Diesel
Jun 21st, 2005, 11:17 PM
at least Mary and Martina aren't rena fans. they'll never go that low.

Juju can keep them along with her losses :wavey:

Philbo
Jun 21st, 2005, 11:31 PM
nice bump there spencer carlos..

spencercarlos
Jun 21st, 2005, 11:31 PM
Point is that the only top ten player being a good clay courter that she played almost beat her, in fact choked against Henin. Henin surely dominated on her last 3 matches but Masha (on clay), Petrova and Pierce (today) are not grand slam contenders for this event.
Wimbledon will be a different story.
Thanks god i was right.. a different story.. a different winner.. :bounce:

bandabou
Jun 21st, 2005, 11:35 PM
Cali, Cali....when will he learn?

Robbie.
Jun 21st, 2005, 11:37 PM
Juju can keep them along with her losses :wavey:

:haha:
what's so low about being a fan of Rena, one of the greatest player's of all time? :shrug:

vettipooh
Jun 22nd, 2005, 12:39 AM
at least Mary and Martina aren't rena fans. they'll never go that low.Let Martina get a hold of Mary.......she'll show you how low she can go!!!!!!!:lol: By the way,' Rena ' is only reserved for her fans...it's 'Miss Williams' to you.

kiwifan
Jun 22nd, 2005, 12:56 AM
IMO, yes!

She is the best player currently, got a tremendous psychological boost with today's FO win and Serena has not been in top form in last 2 years.

And who else could stop Justine?

:worship:

:devil: That was clay...

RenaSlam.
Jun 22nd, 2005, 01:44 AM
oops.

LeRoy.
Jun 22nd, 2005, 02:58 AM
bump :D

Denise4925
Jun 22nd, 2005, 03:18 AM
IMO, yes!

She is the best player currently, got a tremendous psychological boost with today's FO win and Serena has not been in top form in last 2 years.

And who else could stop Justine?

:worship:
ED. :o

Denise4925
Jun 22nd, 2005, 03:20 AM
http://deephousepage.com/smilies/eat.gif I hear Crow Pie is really good for the soul. :haha:
Oh, and I set out a couple of extra forks for Mary C. and Martina N. Of course you'll all have to eat from the same plate. :tape: :lol: :wavey:
:lol:

Junex
Jun 22nd, 2005, 03:25 AM
Cali, Cali....when will he learn?


like when will you learn not to take Cali seriously?
like he is gunther and gunther is a lunatic fanatic, anybody else who takes a lunatics word is a lunatic himself!.. :wavey:

BTW, please dnt bash justine especially this lost just because Cali proclaimed her as the "____ best ever" and "unstoppable at Wimbledon".

spencercarlos
Jun 22nd, 2005, 03:51 AM
like when will you learn not to take Cali seriously?
like he is gunther and gunther is a lunatic fanatic, anybody else who takes a lunatics word is a lunatic himself!.. :wavey:

BTW, please dnt bash justine especially this lost just because Cali proclaimed her as the "____ best ever" and "unstoppable at Wimbledon".
We are not bashing Justine we just gave our opinion that her Wimbledon chances were not as good as they were at Roland Garros, despite her winning streak and how good she was doing lately.
Henin will probably win Wimbledon someday who knows, but definetly she`ll have to work with the fact that grass is her worst surface.

moby
Jun 22nd, 2005, 04:11 AM
We are not bashing Justine we just gave our opinion that her Wimbledon chances were not as good as they were at Roland Garros, despite her winning streak and how good she was doing lately.
Henin will probably win Wimbledon someday who knows, but definetly she`ll have to work with the fact that grass is her worst surface.I'm not so sure about that. I always thought that the hardest slam for her to win would be the US Open, and she's already won that. Besides even if it were her worst surface, it would be like how clay is Serena's worst surface.

Doublebackhand
Jun 22nd, 2005, 06:06 AM
dont be so mean guys! Justine is a great player and i do think she will win the W one day.

bandabou
Jul 1st, 2005, 10:49 AM
Cali, Cali....so the end is near for the sisters, huh?

At least they BOTH have Wimbledon already.....Where's Enna's wimbledon?

nygirl
Jul 1st, 2005, 11:51 AM
Cali, Cali....so the end is near for the sisters, huh?

At least they BOTH have Wimbledon already.....Where's Enna's wimbledon?


Where is Venus's RG or AO crown???? Believe it or not but Wimbledon isn't the be all end all for everyone.

You know, this is the type of reaction that would make me not want to root for Venus (or Serena for that matter).

pigam
Jul 1st, 2005, 12:00 PM
are Cali and bandabou the same person, that's the question :shrug:

victory1
Jul 1st, 2005, 12:03 PM
Where is Venus's RG or US Open crown???? Believe it or not but Wimbledon isn't the be all end all for everyone.

You know, this is the type of reaction that would make me not want to root for Venus (or Serena for that matter).

Venus actually has 2 US Open crowns, she does not have an Australian Open and RG. Victory1 tiptoes out of this thread!:lol:

nygirl
Jul 1st, 2005, 12:04 PM
Venus actually has 2 US Open crowns, she does not have an Australian Open and RG. Victory1 tiptoes out of this thread!:lol:


Yeah :o I was typing too fast in my fury ;)
I'm going to edit the post ;)

bandabou
Jul 4th, 2005, 05:07 PM
Cali, Cali....:haha: :rolls:

JustineTime
Jul 4th, 2005, 05:20 PM
Juju can keep them along with her losses :wavey:

Yeah, :hehehe:

BOTH of them! :p

pigam
Jul 5th, 2005, 06:30 AM
Cali, Cali....:haha: :rolls:
:o
you really ARE cali, arn't you.
Thank god we have you and your splitpersonality. WTAWorld would have died if it wasn't for you :yeah:

bandabou
Jul 6th, 2005, 10:54 AM
Cali, Cali....still can't stop laughing...:haha: :rolls:

bandabou
Jul 7th, 2005, 08:57 AM
Cali, Cali...

pigam
Jul 7th, 2005, 10:22 AM
I'll help
Cali, cali :lol: