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king416
Jun 4th, 2005, 03:20 PM
I would have to say yes, there really has been a drought of quality matches, the semis and the final in particular were just plain dull.

tennisIlove09
Jun 4th, 2005, 03:21 PM
Yes...but it's in line with the last few majors, IMO. We haven't had a high quality major in a long long time

Smackie
Jun 4th, 2005, 03:23 PM
Damn Justine keeping her game at a good level and Mary not playing up to her expectation.

Gez.

vertigo
Jun 4th, 2005, 03:23 PM
On the plus side, unexpected finalists.... so interesting from that perspective. Loving Mary Pierce as a finalist, shame she couldn't perform on the day.

-Kieron-
Jun 4th, 2005, 03:24 PM
Yes, but slams havent been good for a while. Just the odd good match.

©@®eLess
Jun 4th, 2005, 03:26 PM
i agree. The fact that the only match that had some drama in it was Ivanovic-Mauresmo and Kuznetsova-Henin-Hardenne

gopher
Jun 4th, 2005, 03:28 PM
exception made for its winner

jj74
Jun 4th, 2005, 03:31 PM
Yes i only remember a semi decent final (Pierce-Martinez) all the rest were very bad, sometimes because one player was so good sometimes because both played badly

Duramont
Jun 4th, 2005, 03:34 PM
Yes! :yawn: :yawn:

So many top players playing bad tennis in early rounds and were upset by lower ranked players because of producing too much unforced errors (the opponents playing not brilliant too). In addition to that there were boring semifinals (6:1 6:1; 6:2 6:3) and a very quick final (6:1 6:1). :rolleyes:


I really hope that Wimbledon will be more interesting and entertaining than the disappointing French Open... ;)

lloyders76
Jun 4th, 2005, 03:36 PM
when it comes down to it all i want is some drama, 2001 wasn't amazing quality but it was gutsy on both parts and in the balance for 3 hours, thats enough for me to have a great afternoon watching it

KoOlMaNsEaN
Jun 4th, 2005, 03:43 PM
it sucked. I had a hard time to pick which match was the best of the worst to tape.

^bibi^
Jun 4th, 2005, 03:44 PM
Surely not the best, but not the worst either...

azmad_88
Jun 4th, 2005, 03:47 PM
i wish we had a kuznetsova henin final with the same score and same winner

so boring seriously FO!

mykarma
Jun 4th, 2005, 03:47 PM
Damn Justine keeping her game at a good level and Mary not playing up to her expectation.

Gez.I don't think anyone is trying to take anything from Justine but this tournament was not exciting. If the play was up to par, neither Justine nor Lindsay would have been in the finals. They'd be sitting home just like Venus.

manu32
Jun 4th, 2005, 03:53 PM
Yes i only remember a semi decent final (Pierce-Martinez) all the rest were very bad, sometimes because one player was so good sometimes because both played badly

i suppose.......pierce martinez was certainly one of the bad and maybe the worst in terms of quality of play.....

adachi
Jun 4th, 2005, 04:05 PM
Isn't FO 04 worse than FO 05?

SJW
Jun 4th, 2005, 04:05 PM
cant think of a worse one....

jfk
Jun 4th, 2005, 04:05 PM
French 2005 will go down as the first GS in a long time to go without a truly memorable match. The Australian this year had several: Molik/Davenport, Sharapova/Serena, etc. But RG this year had none that I can think of....Mauresmo/Ivanovic comes close but it's not up to snuff IMO.

The quality was bad, but it wasn't as bad as last year's IMO, when the field errored itself and led to Myskina winning. Highlights of the tourney are few and far between, EXCEPT for the surprise players: Ivanovic, Sesil, Lindsay, and Mary. It will be remembered for them...maybe not the quality of their play (at least where Sesil and Lindsay are concerned) but for the shock of them getting so far. I just wish ESPN had shown Ivanovic, since this was her breakout tournament.

One more thing...the tournament will be remembered for moving Justine into the category of all time great. Before this, she was paired up with Clijsters since they played in their GS finals together. This time, she did this on her own, and for the first time, not in dominant form. The true champs win without being in their best form. She's catapulted herself up the list IMO...and in a few years, when she's one 3 more RG's, this will be the tournament remembered as setting herself up for the rest of her career.

The tour needs Serena and Capriati back quickly. Even when they don't play all that well, they add a lot of flair and excitement to the tour.

eddie_hyden
Jun 4th, 2005, 04:09 PM
French 2005 will go down as the first GS in a long time to go without a truly memorable match. The Australian this year had several: Molik/Davenport, Sharapova/Serena, etc. But RG this year had none that I can think of....Mauresmo/Ivanovic comes close but it's not up to snuff IMO.

The quality was bad, but it wasn't as bad as last year's IMO, when the field errored itself and led to Myskina winning. Highlights of the tourney are few and far between, EXCEPT for the surprise players: Ivanovic, Sesil, Lindsay, and Mary. It will be remembered for them...maybe not the quality of their play (at least where Sesil and Lindsay are concerned) but for the shock of them getting so far. I just wish ESPN had shown Ivanovic, since this was her breakout tournament.

The tour needs Serena and Capriati back quickly. Even when they don't play all that well, they add a lot of flair and excitement to the tour.

yup, we really really need those americans in to make the tournament exciting to watch...duh..

Bероника
Jun 4th, 2005, 04:14 PM
no,I think last year was far worse

fleemke³
Jun 4th, 2005, 04:14 PM
mmm not the best final but we had emotions this year so that makes last year much worse :p

turt
Jun 4th, 2005, 04:25 PM
Anyway, every GS Justine will win will be labelled "worst GS ever", so I guess we have to be prepared for a lot of bad GS ;)

eddie_hyden
Jun 4th, 2005, 04:31 PM
yeah, and the fact that like those so-called superpowers are consistently injured, or have a family issue, or simply uninterested and unfocused, don't help either...

ys
Jun 4th, 2005, 05:18 PM
Absolutely.. One of the finalists, having no business whatsoever being there , riding her luck to a megafluke round by round.. Two awful semifinals.. The real final going as far as to R16..

deja_entendu
Jun 4th, 2005, 05:23 PM
:rolls: The Justine haters are out in full force!

As if the memory of some here wasn't bad enough, the Australian Open 2005, which was just this year, was of much worse quality. All four semifinalists played some of their WORST tennis of the last year to reach the semis, except for Serena's victory against Mauresmo, which was good. Other than that, every match won by those semifinalists was won playing ugly. The semifinals themselves were exciting but ugly, and the final was anti-climactic and ugly. It was the worst Slam I've ever seen.

By comparison, at least Pierce, Petrova, and Henin were playing at a high level to beat their opponents into the ground.

fifiricci
Jun 4th, 2005, 05:24 PM
when it comes down to it all i want is some drama, 2001 wasn't amazing quality but it was gutsy on both parts and in the balance for 3 hours, thats enough for me to have a great afternoon watching it

I agree, that final was a corker and its a shame that Kim and Cappy were hindered by injury this year, so that we had to make do with this decidedly third class fayre!

I had to take my mum round the garden centre while today's final was on, an outing that normally bores me rigid, but it would seem even that was more exciting than this sleeping tablet of a final!

:devil:

Zippy
Jun 4th, 2005, 05:25 PM
Really :scratch:

I thought last years tournament was worst byt an emence margin :shrug:

skanky~skanketta
Jun 4th, 2005, 05:25 PM
i liked it.

manu
Jun 4th, 2005, 05:29 PM
I think US Open 2004 was about equal (or maybe just slightly better), but FO 2004 was worse IMO, esp quality-wise. Though since 2001 we've seen rather poor FO finals, esp the last 3 years:

2003 Henin-Hardenne def. Clijsters 6-0 6-4
2004 Myskina def. Dementieva 6-1 6-2
2005 Henin-Hardenne def. Pierce 6-1 6-1

With all respect to these finalists, but these are scores you'd expect in a first round :tape:

cellophane
Jun 4th, 2005, 05:37 PM
Anyway, every GS Justine will win will be labelled "worst GS ever", so I guess we have to be prepared for a lot of bad GS ;)

Honestly, is this the only thing you can come up with? The French was shit even before Justine won today with Mary being a possibly bright spot, but with today's match being so one-sided it became one of the shittiest slams in a while.

OTOH, I can admit that Justine winning it does not make it any better, because she is not my favorite, but it doesn't make the tournament any less shit than it has been...

whorehand
Jun 4th, 2005, 05:45 PM
Absolutely.. One of the finalists, having no business whatsoever being there , riding her luck to a megafluke round by round.. Two awful semifinals.. The real final going as far as to R16..

What's your problem with Mary, seriously? How can you claim it was a fluke when she clearly was the better player in all of her matches, and has previously shown she can compete at the top level? She had shown in some warm up tournaments that she was rekindling some of the form that saw her win RG in 2000 (against Sharapova in Rome and Serena at AI). Bitterness is a very ugly trait.

Everyone that Mary played tried their best against her, but she came out on top. Just a shame she wasn't able to play her best in the final, but congrats to her for making it that far.

fammmmedspin
Jun 4th, 2005, 05:48 PM
Good GS finals have been rare since 2001 - count how many were one sided or betwen pairs with a dominant player or ended by collapses. In FO 2004 Myskina at least played well throughout and the Sveta match point was not lost on a complete funk. In 2005 Momo, Sveta, Venus, Kim and Lindsay all went out playing poorly wheras in 2004 only Venus and Jennifer I think fluffed as badly before the uncompetitive final.

Plus side is that mary played well until today and Justine played well at times but even many of the better competitive matches went untelevised in the 3rd rd to QF stage where they won't do the WTA tour much good at all.

mykarma
Jun 4th, 2005, 05:56 PM
Honestly, is this the only thing you can come up with? The French was shit even before Justine won today with Mary being a possibly bright spot, but with today's match being so one-sided it became one of the shittiest slams in a while.

OTOH, I can admit that Justine winning it does not make it any better, because she is not my favorite, but it doesn't make the tournament any less shit than it has been...I don't understand why some of Justine's fans are so upset when posters talk about the poor quality of this years French. It's obvious that the whole French was shit including the finals. It's nothing personal against Justine. Congratulations to her.

deja_entendu
Jun 4th, 2005, 06:00 PM
Yes, but this year's Aussie Open was of much lower quality. Were you, Mykarma, and cellophane, and infiniti, and king, proclaiming how dreadful that Slam was?? No?? Wonder why?? :confused: :rolleyes:

-Kieron-
Jun 4th, 2005, 06:04 PM
I dont think its because Henin won that it was a bad slam, I just think in general the level of play wasnt great. As it wasnt at the Aus or most of the slams last year. Henin never had to play her best to win (except for a while against Maria), but thats not me saying she didnt deserve it. She has undoubtedly been the best clay court player this year and deserved it, I would just have liked to seen her tested a bit more.

cellophane
Jun 4th, 2005, 06:05 PM
Yes, but this year's Aussie Open was of much lower quality. Were you, Mykarma, and cellophane, and infiniti, and king, proclaiming how dreadful that Slam was?? No?? Wonder why?? :confused: :rolleyes:

How do you know what I said or didn't? :lol: I didn't even watch much of the Aus Open, and it wasn't very exciting from what I can remember.

Lady
Jun 4th, 2005, 06:12 PM
How last year was any better?

blumaroo
Jun 4th, 2005, 06:14 PM
No. It's the second worst after last year. Very close call though.

cellophane
Jun 4th, 2005, 06:16 PM
How last year was any better?

Sucked all the same.

cellophane
Jun 4th, 2005, 06:17 PM
No. It's the second worst after last year. Very close call though.

Yep.

ys
Jun 4th, 2005, 06:29 PM
Last year has no reason to be complained about.. Quarterfinal lineup was star-ridden..

Sharapova-Suarez
Dementieva-Mauresmo
Myskina-Williams
Capriati-Williams

It does not really get any better than that.. You can complain about QF results, but all big players did make it to the last 8.

Comparing to this year it is just ewwww..

Pierce-Davenport
Likhovtseva-Karatancheva
Petrova-Ivanovic
Henin-Sharapova

5 out of 8 players above should not have been there..

mykarma
Jun 4th, 2005, 06:49 PM
Yes, but this year's Aussie Open was of much lower quality. Were you, Mykarma, and cellophane, and infiniti, and king, proclaiming how dreadful that Slam was?? No?? Wonder why?? :confused: :rolleyes:Damn, what is your problem? If you thought the French was wonderful, good for you. I think it sucked and for the last time, it had nothing to do with Justine. Plus, why do you care what my opinion was of the AO? We're talking about the French that won't be over until tomorrow. Geez, go out and celebrate Justine's win, get laid, what ever will make you stop trying to read something that isn't there into my opinion of the quality of this tournament. :rolleyes:

RenaSlam.
Jun 4th, 2005, 07:10 PM
Yep. Awful.

RussiansFan
Jun 4th, 2005, 07:17 PM
Last year has no reason to be complained about.. Quarterfinal lineup was star-ridden..

Sharapova-Suarez
Dementieva-Mauresmo
Myskina-Williams
Capriati-Williams

It does not really get any better than that.. You can complain about QF results, but all big players did make it to the last 8.

Comparing to this year it is just ewwww..

Pierce-Davenport
Likhovtseva-Karatancheva
Petrova-Ivanovic
Henin-Sharapova

5 out of 8 players above should not have been there..

You're right, quote at all

Jenny.C.Fan
Jun 4th, 2005, 07:34 PM
It wasn't the quality of the players in the latter stages this year it was the fact that the only close or exciting match was sveta vs justine and that was it, the australian this year was a great grand slam there was loads of top class matches but this has been dissapointing.

Serena!
Jun 4th, 2005, 07:38 PM
I agree. I mean Look at the last couple of slams:
Aus Open 05: Serena v. Maria, and Lindsay v. Nathalie Dechy.
US Open 2004: Serena v. Jennifer, Elena D. v. Jennifer, Elena D. v. Amelie.
Wimbeldon 2004: Serena v. Amelie, Lindsay v. Maria, Amelie v. Paola.
French Open 2004: Sveta v. Anastasia, Serena v. Jennifer.

Im not just saying this cuz I like Serena, but without her, it ain't too exciting!
Also, Jennifer has had alot of great, and exciting matches! So has Elena D and Lindsay. I mean, maybe there were a few tough three-setters @ The French '05, but I didn't find them that EXCITING to watch, cuz they didn't have the "exciting" players in them, I dunno, that's just my oppinion.

azmad_88
Jun 5th, 2005, 06:09 AM
I think US Open 2004 was about equal (or maybe just slightly better), but FO 2004 was worse IMO, esp quality-wise. Though since 2001 we've seen rather poor FO finals, esp the last 3 years:

2003 Henin-Hardenne def. Clijsters 6-0 6-4
2004 Myskina def. Dementieva 6-1 6-2
2005 Henin-Hardenne def. Pierce 6-1 6-1

With all respect to these finalists, but these are scores you'd expect in a first round :tape:

2003 Henin-Hardenne def. Clijsters 6-0 6-4 ( lost four games)
2004 Myskina def. Dementieva 6-1 6-2 ( lost 3 games)
2005 Henin-Hardenne def. Pierce 6-1 6-1 ( lost 2 games)


its getting boring!!

Martian KC
Jun 5th, 2005, 06:21 AM
2003 Henin-Hardenne def. Clijsters 6-0 6-4 ( lost four games)
2004 Myskina def. Dementieva 6-1 6-2 ( lost 3 games)
2005 Henin-Hardenne def. Pierce 6-1 6-1 ( lost 2 games)


its getting boring!!

A double bagel two years from now!:D

azmad_88
Jun 5th, 2005, 06:22 AM
next year would be a bagel and a breakstick
then double bagel
heheh

spencercarlos
Jun 5th, 2005, 07:29 AM
:rolls: The Justine haters are out in full force!

As if the memory of some here wasn't bad enough, the Australian Open 2005, which was just this year, was of much worse quality. All four semifinalists played some of their WORST tennis of the last year to reach the semis, except for Serena's victory against Mauresmo, which was good. Other than that, every match won by those semifinalists was won playing ugly. The semifinals themselves were exciting but ugly, and the final was anti-climactic and ugly. It was the worst Slam I've ever seen.

By comparison, at least Pierce, Petrova, and Henin were playing at a high level to beat their opponents into the ground.
lol really stupid..
If you say that Roland Garros 04 was worse, its ok, but this year´s Australian Open worse?
Plain ridiculous..
The semifinal matches both were full of drama 3 setters, the one to be one sided (the Davenport one) turned to be a struggle, because Dechy was playing her best tennis. The Sharapova-Serena match had Serena struggling at the start, but from the middle of the second set til the end the match got better.
The final another three setter, for a set and a half it was all Lindsay, then it was all Serena (of course Lindsay helped on this one too by going out the staduim mentally in the third).
These 3 matches we had had nothing on them, Likotseva was no match for Mary (as expected) and Petrova gave Henin little trouble despite the fact that Henin served really bad on this match..
The final oh poor Mary, she would miss 2 shots that most club players would not miss (an easy floater volleyed wide and a misshit overhead). Very short rallies, even Henin was not playing at full capabilities, she knew she had the match in her hands....
And to be honest i rather watch Myskina´s win over Dementieva than Pierce missing everyshot in this year´s final. Both horrible anyway..
The only good thing was that a better Champion came out this year at Roland Garros..
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Lemonskin.
Jun 5th, 2005, 07:50 AM
Yup.

T'was crapola.

stenen
Jun 5th, 2005, 11:12 AM
What's your problem with Mary, seriously? How can you claim it was a fluke when she clearly was the better player in all of her matches, and has previously shown she can compete at the top level? She had shown in some warm up tournaments that she was rekindling some of the form that saw her win RG in 2000 (against Sharapova in Rome and Serena at AI). Bitterness is a very ugly trait.

Everyone that Mary played tried their best against her, but she came out on top. Just a shame she wasn't able to play her best in the final, but congrats to her for making it that far.

ys is just bitter because Pierce (who's play against Sharapova ys was dissing a while ago) was in the final and Sharapova who lost to Henin-Hardenne wasn't. :lol:

Rome: Sharapova beat Pierce, Schnyder beat Sharapova.
FO: Pierce beat Schnyder
I can see the bitterness ys has...:lol:

I wonder if ys was impressed Justine's win over Maria? ;)
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