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Volcana
Oct 18th, 2001, 03:31 AM
What do you think the odds are of her getting to the #4 ranking next year?

What about #3?

She was competitive versus the top four in 2001. A 2-5 record.
But one loss was the French Open final 10-12 in the third.
Is Kim ready?

Records below

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2001 RG CAPRIATI 6-1 4-6 10-12

2001 Sydney HINGIS 4-6 4-6
2001 IW def. HINGIS 6-2 2-6 6-1

2001 OZ DAVENPORT 4-6 0-6
2001 WB DAVENPORT 1-6 2-6
2001 Stanford def. DAVENPORT 6-4 6-7(5) 6-1

2001 US V.WILLIAMS 3-6 1-6

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NejedlyKanepi
Oct 18th, 2001, 04:04 AM
she was soooooo cool until she got too trendy. <IMG SRC="smilies/sad.gif" border="0">

Viva
Oct 18th, 2001, 06:51 AM
trendy? What for making the top 5?

mickcecilio
Oct 18th, 2001, 09:43 AM
She lost the match against Steffi Graf at 1999 Wimbledon but you could just see from that showing that she had the "look" that she was going to be big. So I'm not surprised to see her doing so well and reaching the Top 5.

I'm a fan of Kim's, she's really talented and she's got a great game. Her athleticism, together with her powerful groundstrokes (especially that ferocious forehand), her competitive nature, mental tenacity and her developing all-court game will keep her around the top for a long time to come. I still think she can improve as a player which will be very scary for the rest of the tour, and also she's still young. Who knows how far she can go?

I think she can get to that top echelons, I mean, she's already there, but I think she can get to the Top 3, and maybe can even get to #1 as long as she has the drive to keep improving. She has the heart, the mind and the weapons, why not?

She just needs to improve her consistency even more. She is getting a lot more consistent, but she still needs to eliminate those losses like against Sugiyama etc.

She can certainly challenge the best, obviously she nearly beat Capriati at the French, has beaten Hingis, beaten Davenport, beaten Henin and nearly beaten Serena. If she can challenge more consistently, and really have the belief that she can beat them, then she really has a shot at that #1 ranking in the future.

saki
Oct 18th, 2001, 10:50 AM
People keep on saying that Kim can improve but I don't see how. Any *specific* ideas? I'd like to hear them.

Her volleys can get a little better, although doubles with Ai has improved them immensely already. And her shot selection could get a little better.

But I don't think that either of those things is actually going to make any real difference to whether or not she wins matches. They'll make a slight difference in that she'll win matches that she'd have won anyway more easily and lose matches in three sets rather than two, but that's it.

I just don't see that she has enough weapons to beat the top players on a regular basis. I cannot see how she could ever beat Venus, Serena, Justine, Jen, Martina, Lindsay when they are at the top of their game. I know she's beaten Justine, Martina & Lindsay before but those victories were partly because they weren't playing at their best. Not that Kim didn't play well, but as I've already said Kim at her best isn't good enough to beat them at their best.

I like Kim, I like watching her play, and I think she'll be in the top 10 or just outside for a long time to come, but I don't think she'll ever get to the top. Why? Because I don't see precisely _how_ that would happen.

irma
Oct 18th, 2001, 11:55 AM
I think Kim is just as cool as she was before <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">
The only thing I don`t understand is why she is skipping so many tier 1 tournaments latly but alright that`s her decission and I am sure she knows what she is doing <IMG SRC="smilies/smile.gif" border="0">

I hope she improves her serve and believes she can beat everbody then she can stay in the top 5(or higher) for a long time <IMG SRC="smilies/smile.gif" border="0">

thefreedesigner
Oct 18th, 2001, 12:05 PM
Oh, I thnk Kim believes she can beat anybody already, and that's what has always made her so exciting to watch. It also accounts for a lot of the great progress she's made too: sheer belief.

I wouldn't bet my pony on Kim getting the #4 this year, but with Martina still having quite a few points at the beginning of next year, that would certainly be a possiblity.

Josh
Oct 18th, 2001, 01:09 PM
sk, why do you keep saying Kim can't improve anymore? What makes her so different from let's say Henin, Dokic, Dementieva?

Justinator
Oct 18th, 2001, 02:40 PM
Of course Kim can still improve her game. Her serve e.g., one of the most important parts of the game today. Once she gets more consistence in it, it will become a great weapon. Her shot selection can also improve a lot. I think she hits too many drop shots. Although in the last matches I saw from her, she was already using it much less.
The more experience she gets, her game will become more consistent generally.

When you're only 19 years old there's always room for improvement.

Kim will certainly enter the top 4 next year, she will take Martina's spot. And if she manages to play a whole year at her best, then I believe she can enter the top 3.

sk, you say you can't see how she could beat Venus, Serena, Justine, Jen, Martina, Lindsay when they are at the top of their game.
Well she did beat my Justine at the French, when Justine was at the top of her game. She almost (yeah, I know almost beat Serena at the US Open at 17. I'm sure you still remember how close she was. A more consistent serve and the match was hers. You can't say Serena wasn't at her best, she won the US Open that year.

Venus at her best, that would be a really tough one, I admit. But I can't see how Elena, Justine, Jelena, even Lindsay would win from Venus then.

[ October 18, 2001: Message edited by: Justinator ]

saki
Oct 18th, 2001, 03:40 PM
Josh - I say that because I can't see anything that she can really improve on. I'm open to suggestions on it, though, so if you can think of something that she could change that would make a real difference to her game, say so! I don't have opinions cast in stone on this, so feel free to tell me what *specific* things you think she can improve.

As for Henin, Dokic, Dementieva, there are loads of obvious things that they can improve on. Just off the top of my head -

Henin - starting matches better (she loses the first set way too much), better 1st serve %age because when it's in it's great, volleying more on grass, getting the backhand more consistent under pressure.

Dokic - getting her serve and especially her second serve better, better shot selection and timing.

Dementieva - serve (again), accuracy, consistency, returns need some work.

Kim's game seems to be pretty much as good as it's going to get. And it is damn good, just not _quite_ good enough to get her to the very top.

saki
Oct 18th, 2001, 03:50 PM
Meant to add... I think she has a fantastic personality. She's very much herself at all times without being brash or bratty. I don't think I've ever heard of her making a single catty comment about another player. But at the same time she's not reserved or cold, she's just naturally a tactful, gentle person. And the other thing I really like about her is that she so often looks like she's having fun on court, especially when she's playing doubles. She & Ai are a very entertaining team to watch.

disposablehero
Oct 18th, 2001, 07:20 PM
Nope, Justinator, you are mistaken. Kim was 16, not 17, when she nearly beat Serena at the US Open. Only 3 months after her birthday, too.

gentenaire
Oct 18th, 2001, 07:32 PM
Kim's making an awful lot of unforced errors. She can improve a lot there. Often her balls go wide or hit the net. It's her style, she plays risk tennis.
So I do think she can improve.

Justinator
Oct 18th, 2001, 08:57 PM
You're right disposable, for a second I though Kim was 19 now. Of course our Kimmie is only 18.

NejedlyKanepi
Oct 19th, 2001, 04:47 AM
exactly viva, when she was around top 20 or so it was ok to be a huge fan of belgian tennis and particularly kim. however, now its like, kim clijsters, and everyones like oh i know kim and blah blah blah. while deserving fully to be trendy, its a pity i cant be like GO KIM anymore <IMG SRC="smilies/sad.gif" border="0">

Shane54
Oct 19th, 2001, 04:53 AM
I can honestly say that Kim is not only very talented but also very classy. She conducts herself very well and I wish her all the luck!
Congrats Kim on your successes! <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">

MANEVSKI
Oct 19th, 2001, 11:34 AM
i agree with sk...kims pretty much hit a plateu IMO

jelena , juju and elena...can progress much more. well see if 2002 brings that in to fruition , i certainly hope so

pisces
Oct 19th, 2001, 04:15 PM
I LIKE THE YOUNG LADY.SHE HAS STYLE.NOT TO BAD LOOKING .

jomar
Oct 20th, 2001, 06:19 AM
there's no way but UP for this talented young lady. <IMG SRC="smilies/bounce.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/angel.gif" border="0">

karma
Oct 20th, 2001, 09:53 AM
I think Kim is a fantastic player. And I'm sure she can still improve. For example her unforced errors, like Tine mentioned, but I also think her dropshots. My hart stops every time she uses them. She doesn't play them in a bad way (I think, I'm not a tennisplayer myself) but she uses them at very strange and 'dangereous' points. Like e.g. in the third set again Capriati at RG final. Do you remember. She was a some points just two points away from the title and at such moments she uses a dropshot, which fails. She did that several times in that match and I've seen her do it in other matches too.
But, I really think Kim is super tennismaterial and a very nice, gentle person. She'll make to the top, I'm sure <IMG SRC="smilies/bounce.gif" border="0">

disposablehero
Oct 21st, 2001, 06:42 PM
As usual, I continue to ROFLMAO at all the people who claim to "see" Kim at a plateau, with Justine, Jelena etc having massive potential for improvement. Sounds like wishful thinking from here. If anything, the opposite is true.

Shane54
Oct 21st, 2001, 06:57 PM
Yes, disposable hero you are absolutely right on that point..I think Kim has lots or room to improve and will only get better she has not even reached her full potential. Good luck Kim!!! <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/smile.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">

The Crow
Oct 22nd, 2001, 03:46 PM
I don't understand how one can say that a player who's only 18 years old can't improve anymore? True, there isn't anything spectacular she can improve (which means IMO there isn't lacking anything in her game), but she can improve a little bit on every aspect of her game. And all those little bits can be the difference.

And the main thing she doesn't had this year what the top 4 did have is the experience. She now has the experience of playing some great matches/tournaments, from which she will benefit the coming years.

malaye
Oct 23rd, 2001, 12:21 PM
Of course there is room for improvement in her game. There always is. This is also true for Jelena, Justine and Elena. Kim is barely 18, this is the first year she can play as many tournaments as she wants (like Jelena by the way).<br />She is just starting to get the experience of big matches. Consistency is where she has the biggest margin of improvement. She already moves very well on the court, she's got heart, great shots on both sides. She will learn to go to the net more often. If she manages to reduce the UE, I think # 4 (if not better) is definitely hers for the taking.

saki
Oct 23rd, 2001, 07:59 PM
I'm sure that Kim can improve a little, all I said was that I don't think that see what she can do that would take her game up to a level where she could win matches against Venus, Lindsay, Martina, Serena on a regular basis. As I said before, my opinions aren't cast in stone, if anyone can come up with something that they think she could do to up her game a level then say so.

As for Dokic, Dementieva, Henin they all have obvious things that they can improve on. Until they make the improvements it's difficult to predict exactly how well they do. Personally, I don't see either Dokic or Dementieva making to the very top of the game either. I suspect that they will, like Kim, have careers where they are almost always in the top 10, always considered dangerous opponents, pull off the occasional big win, and maybe win a slam or two. Henin, is a different matter entirely. She is the only one of the four that I see being a real challege to the current elite. If she stays healthy, she should win at least three or four slams.

The Crow
Oct 23rd, 2001, 08:03 PM
Err Serena still has to win "a slam or two" herself <img src="wink.gif" border="0">

[ October 23, 2001: Message edited by: The Crow ]</p>

saki
Oct 23rd, 2001, 08:26 PM
Yeah, but Serena plays so little (what, 9 tournies this year?) and prepares so poorly for slams that she's naturally not done as well as she could have. Her ranking may be lower than Clijsters, Henin, and now Dokic, but I think most people would say that she's harder to beat than they are. And even though she only has one slam, it's still one more than Clijsters, Dokic, Henin or Dementieva.

disposablehero
Oct 24th, 2001, 12:00 AM
sk, Justine Henin is too small, period. To be able to compete on the same level as Kim right now simply shows that she has tapped a larger portion of her potential than Kim has.

cynicole
Oct 24th, 2001, 05:37 AM
Gee, I remember those old days back in 1994 when I was watching Lindsay Davenport and thinking, "She's too big to win these things." I never would have pictured her as the world no. 1 back then!

I think it's pretty silly to go about predicting what these players will be able to accomplish during their hopefully long tennis careers. At the moment, I think that Henin and Clijsters are the most slam capable with Henin favored on the slow surfaces and Clijsters shining on the faster stuff. Dokic isn't too far behind. Hmm...what would we have said last year after the U.S. Open about Dementieva compared to these three? See my point.

And tennis being what it is, how many of us would've thought Jennifer Capriati would win 2 slams and be ranked no.1 in the world? This from a girl who was considered washed-up in 1995.

I wonder why some of us tend to think that players could peak or be washed up at an age like 18. Is it some kind of mental effect from being used to see 14-year-old phenoms (done away with by the age eligibility rules)? I wonder.

As for Clijsters not being able to improve her game... <br />Ridiculous. Practically anyone could improve something. Monica Seles could work on her fitness. Venus could improve her net play or her fitness as well (if these injuries are real).

I really think that people knock Clijsters off for not having anything really flashy in her game. (Heck, I used to.)

As for the Henin/size comment...<br />Yeah, and how did that hamper her from reaching a slam semifinal and a slam final this year? And what about Hingis reaching two slam semifinals and a final? Granted, relatively small players seem to be at a disadvantage (which is why we don't see many of them) but the ones that do make it through seem to have immense finesse talent that seems to compensate.

As for the original question:<br />I think Kim Clijsters' ascension to no.4 in the rankings is inevitable, given what it takes to move up. I think it's highly dependent on any of the players ahead of her not doing well during the Australian hard court season. I suspect Hingis will be the victim...and even if Capriati wins the Australian Open she's going to lose points (quality points). Clijsters has relatively little to "defend" compared to most of the other top players.

Oh, I know I just rambled there...but I like to pretend that I'm being thorough.

[ October 24, 2001: Message edited by: cynicole ]</p>

saki
Oct 24th, 2001, 11:14 AM
When did I, or anyone else, say that Clijsters is 'washed up' at 18?! If you reread what I did say you'll see that I predicted a future for her consistenly in the top 10 with a few good wins and maybe a slam or two.

And I'm not saying that she can't improve _at all_ just that I don't see how she could improve enough to be able to beat Venus, Martina, Jen, Lindsay on a regular basis. Everyone keeps saying "of course she can improve" but no-one has yet said exactly what she can improve and how that would give her the edge over the aforementioned players.

And, of course Henin isn't too small! She doesn't have brute strength, but she has other advantages like speed, reach (at Wimby she got down to the lower balls really well), variety, technique which can be just as effective. Her match against Capriati at Wimbledon shows the enormous potential she has when playing well to trouble the big power hitters. And of all the players she has the best record against Venus this year. And Clijsters isn't that much taller anyway.

cynicole
Oct 24th, 2001, 12:38 PM
sk - I didn't refer to Kim Clijsters as being "washed up." That was a reference to Jennifer Capriati. The "peaking" comment was about Clijsters.

disposablehero
May 8th, 2002, 02:25 AM
I think she can make #3.

angele87
May 8th, 2002, 03:11 AM
saki is eating his or her words as we speak :D

GO KIM!!

Sofiane
May 8th, 2002, 04:02 AM
Funny to read all this comments! and Funny to see saeki who love Kim but still says she reached a plateau, how can we reach a plateau at 18?

tennischick
May 8th, 2002, 05:24 AM
if she stops sliding on hardcourts and risking serious injury, she can go places, perhaps to # 4 or 3.

her shortcomings? i find her game a bit wildly defensive at points. she often just doesn't seem in control - just very persistent and determined to keep fighting which is great, and to do this she is willing to run down and slide into blocking every ball. but she doesn't yet dominate enuf. against a Big babe, she often seems too out of control. i too have doubts as to whether she ever will match up to the Big Babes. her age has nothing to do with it -- more the sense of an already crystallised style.

irma
May 8th, 2002, 08:18 AM
she can't rise to three, she is already there :cool: ;)
Go Kimmy :bounce:

malaye
May 8th, 2002, 09:05 AM
Good girl Kim ! You made some people here eat crow !;)

gokimmie
May 8th, 2002, 10:17 AM
I guess you all know by now that i like kim very much,but i''l do my very best to be objective here......
I think the difference between kim and let's say jennifer,venus,serena and lindsay is very small these days,but it's still there.Kim is 18 years old,and has a GREAT game,but of course there are still things she can improve!
I think she can learn to be more consistent on her serve,but to do that her shoulder needs to be fully cured.Her serve is great,and she has a risky 2 nd serve ,but i'm sure she can still imrove on that part.
Her forehand is as we've all seen her best shot ,when she's on she strokes the lines and the corners,but when she's off,a lot of shots go wide.That to is something she can still improve.
Her shot selection often gives me small hart attacks,especially the drop shots.She seems determent to keep playing them though,but hey,it's the only way to learn!!!!!
Her volleys have improved a lot to lately,as we would see in the williams match.
Kim has a very athletic body,she's very strong and solid,she's very fast and has one of the the strongest pair of legs on the tour .She's smart, she's can read the game of her opponents very well and adapt hers to it.
Mentally,she has to be one of the best players out there.on court she shows great fighting spirit and determination.she's a very good sport and off the court she's just the sweetest down to earth girl on tour.she has a life outside tennis,and doesn't put pressure on herself or let anyone else do that.she's very well surrounded by her dad her coach and lleyton.i can see NO reason what so ever why Kim shouldn't make EVEN MORE improvement,get more experience,and become a competitor for the nr 1 spot.This girl was born with a tremendous amount of talent,and she's using it in a very good way.
keep going kimmie,you're the best!!!
IMHO........


:wavey:

saki
May 8th, 2002, 11:18 AM
Originally posted by angele87
saki is eating his or her words as we speak :D

GO KIM!!

Actually, I'm not. Reread what I wrote a few months ago, and you'll see that I never said that Kim wouldn't beat the top players just that I didn't think she was capable of beating them on a regular basis. As ever it's a case of "wait and see", because one good win (and I was really pleased to see her win Hamburg) doesn't make her an elite player. When I see her beat two or three top 10 players playing well in a row, then I'll eat my words. Willingly. Because as I said before, I like Kim.

Out of interest, because I didn't get to see any of the Hamburg matches, do you think Kim's improved on anything recently? And, if so, what? I'm interested. Genuinely, because I don't argue for the hell of it, I like to know other people's opinions and I'm not afraid to change my own.

THE NET
May 8th, 2002, 11:28 AM
Kim is ugly. Her hair is boring. Her outfit is sux.

:o

irma
May 8th, 2002, 11:36 AM
saki it's difficult to improve when you are chronical injured! :rolleyes:
she can't practise as hard as she wants and still she is able to win matches and tournaments, pretty amazing :cool:

Brαm
May 8th, 2002, 12:08 PM
Originally posted by THE NET
Kim is ugly. Her hair is boring. Her outfit is sux.

:o


I so agree with you! Her hair is like sooo boring!! I've never had a good conversation with it! :mad: It's so boring!
And her outfit is really sux yeah :rolleyes:

Oh Kim's ugly? I didn't know you were called Kim too! :D Poor you, being ugly and all...

Rollo
May 8th, 2002, 02:02 PM
We don't see enough of Kim her in the USA on TV, but some thoughts.


1. She 's solid. More solid than Henin(who is more up and down IMO) and more explosive than Dokic. While Kim can improve in some areas, I haven't seen any real weaknesses.

2. Like Saki says, she still hasn't quite moved up one level and taken a slam. One gets the feeling she is still a step short in slams vs. the big babe brigade, who have more weapons at present. At Roland G she should be confident-it's a good chance to break out and win her first slam. On hard courts she would still be playing defense.

3. She scares me with her sliding on hard courts. It looks spectacular when she she did that vs. Capriati at the Aussie, but
I'd hate to see her hurt.

4. She's smart about her career over the long run. Not entering too many events. Taking time off when injured. No overbearing parent. She's normal-Davenport style:)

cynicole
May 8th, 2002, 03:34 PM
Originally posted by saki
Reread what I wrote a few months ago, and you'll see that I never said that Kim wouldn't beat the top players just that I didn't think she was capable of beating them on a regular basis. ...

saki - after rereading that, I'm wondering how the heck I came up with what I wrote back then. :o


Out of interest, because I didn't get to see any of the Hamburg matches, do you think Kim's improved on anything recently? And, if so, what? I'm interested. Genuinely, because I don't argue for the hell of it, I like to know other people's opinions and I'm not afraid to change my own.

Yeah, I'd like to know too. Last time I watched her (Key Biscayne) I didn't really notice much of a difference.

Or is this a case of higher seeding begetting better results?

THE NET
May 8th, 2002, 04:58 PM
Actually Kim is not ugly ;)

She had the game and she is a great player.....very young!

Sometimes...I feel like she is boring!! Nothing more. I'm glad to see her playing tennis. She's a real athelete!!

:angel:

Mazza
May 8th, 2002, 05:16 PM
I think all that Kim needs to concentrate on right this moment is getting her injury healed. But I think the way she has had to play through pain and getting treatment day in day out shows that she can beat top players, pretty good if you ask me- and I can't wait until she is fully fit as then we will see Kim doing some real damage.

Come-on-kim
May 8th, 2002, 06:41 PM
Originally posted by THE NET
Kim is ugly. Her hair is boring. Her outfit is sux.

:o

Stop it now!!!

Why do you write those stupid things?

I think you're jealous, and that's all!!!!

angele87
May 8th, 2002, 07:24 PM
Yeah I agree with cmon kim , right now Kim needs to rest her arm because it really doesn't make sense for her to risk hurting it even more... for example I think playing two weeks in a row was a mistaken and while I'm not happy she lost I'm not too disapointed because now she can rest her arm and make a run at the French :D

billybizar
May 8th, 2002, 08:13 PM
I hope Swissair has not many regular flights to Bangkok because they don't seem that solid anymore these times. :p

THE NET
May 9th, 2002, 03:43 AM
SWISS AIR(LINES) has a daily flight from Zurich to Bangkok and forward to Singapore with MD 11 aircraft.

What about ex-Sabena of Belgium? No more flights? No more aircrafts?

Thai airways is also a famous airline.

Anyway, cum-on-kim..... she has ABSOLUTELY nothing to be jealous of.

Kim, you are the weakest link, GOOD BYE ;)

Candy946
May 9th, 2002, 04:36 AM
Very nice girl, on and off court!

Come-on-kim
May 9th, 2002, 06:46 AM
Originally posted by THE NET
SWISS AIR(LINES) has a daily flight from Zurich to Bangkok and forward to Singapore with MD 11 aircraft.

What about ex-Sabena of Belgium? No more flights? No more aircrafts?

Thai airways is also a famous airline.

Anyway, cum-on-kim..... she has ABSOLUTELY nothing to be jealous of.

Kim, you are the weakest link, GOOD BYE ;)

Nothing to be jealous of?? Oh, yes, I forgot you were number 1 in the world, but not in the tennis rankings but in the stupidity ranking

Lisbeth
May 9th, 2002, 09:22 AM
#4? I think she will be #1! ;)

And I think she is lovely :)

billybizar
May 9th, 2002, 02:42 PM
Well Nettie, that daily flight is only possible because a certain bunch of swiss cuckoos had to bleed dry our national airline company. You can be very proud of your Mafia avatar!

monicain
May 9th, 2002, 03:42 PM
Wow, it's getting hotter n hotter in here:o

THE NET
May 9th, 2002, 06:48 PM
Originally posted by Come-on-kim


Nothing to be jealous of?? Oh, yes, I forgot you were number 1 in the world, but not in the tennis rankings but in the stupidity ranking


:eek:

:o

irma
May 9th, 2002, 07:12 PM
Go Kimmy :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

Lleyki
May 9th, 2002, 08:21 PM
I think Kim is great on and of court :D
I love her game
I'm sure she'll be #1 some day
C'mon Kimmie :bounce:

disposablehero
Aug 16th, 2003, 12:53 AM
People keep on saying that Kim can improve but I don't see how. Any *specific* ideas? I'd like to hear them.

Her volleys can get a little better, although doubles with Ai has improved them immensely already. And her shot selection could get a little better.

But I don't think that either of those things is actually going to make any real difference to whether or not she wins matches. They'll make a slight difference in that she'll win matches that she'd have won anyway more easily and lose matches in three sets rather than two, but that's it.

I just don't see that she has enough weapons to beat the top players on a regular basis. I cannot see how she could ever beat Venus, Serena, Justine, Jen, Martina, Lindsay when they are at the top of their game. I know she's beaten Justine, Martina & Lindsay before but those victories were partly because they weren't playing at their best. Not that Kim didn't play well, but as I've already said Kim at her best isn't good enough to beat them at their best.

I like Kim, I like watching her play, and I think she'll be in the top 10 or just outside for a long time to come, but I don't think she'll ever get to the top. Why? Because I don't see precisely _how_ that would happen.

You are right. Never.

Ryan
Aug 16th, 2003, 03:32 AM
You are right. Never.



Never ever. I love this thread btw. ;)

Crazy Canuck
Aug 16th, 2003, 03:51 AM
*yawn* I'm fairly certain that any "Kim fan" who will be all smug over some things said in this thread have done the exact same thing with another player. We've all done it.

Crazy Canuck
Aug 16th, 2003, 03:51 AM
*yawn* I'm fairly certain that any "Kim fan" who will be all smug over some things said in this thread have done the exact same thing with another player. We've all done it.
For example, I seem to remember how positive a few of you were that Kim would not lose the RG final to Justine, who you know, isn't really that good ;) I could bump up all those threads, but frankly, I'd rather just mock people out in this one!

saki
Aug 16th, 2003, 10:31 AM
Well, to be honest, I still stand by much of what I said. Yes, Kim's made it to #1, but what I was saying wasn't so much that she wouldn't do that but that she wouldn't be able to consistently beat the top players and you only have to look at her record against Serena, Justine and Venus this year to see that that's still true.

SJW
Aug 16th, 2003, 01:16 PM
trust you to bump this thread

wtf is ur problem?? :rolleyes: u seem to love to rub it in peoples faces how "right" you are or "wrong" other people were

Chance
Aug 16th, 2003, 01:37 PM
I guess that's how he gets his kicks because it certainly isn't watching Kim play against Serena, Justine or Venus *cough* *cough*

I'm literally coughing I've got the flu ;)

TeeRexx
Aug 16th, 2003, 02:59 PM
LOL@Sunset :)

I guess someone will keep bumping up the Lina whips the newly crowned #1 Kim thread as well. :)

Daniel
Aug 16th, 2003, 03:02 PM
Kim :kiss:

Mercury Rising
Nov 11th, 2003, 04:29 PM
So has Kim improved in anything these past two years? :confused:

Rollo
Nov 11th, 2003, 06:43 PM
Fun to see what we all said a year or so ago. Tennischick was spot on:)

mandy7
Nov 11th, 2003, 07:17 PM
I loved Kim back then and I still love her

THE NET
Nov 11th, 2003, 08:32 PM
:o

starr
Nov 11th, 2003, 08:35 PM
It's the fool that tempts the future by predicting.

Who knows what will happen? So much can happen in terms of health and happiness not only to Kim, but to anyone on the tour.

venusfan
Nov 11th, 2003, 09:13 PM
I think Clijsters is an okay player but she chocks in big matches. She will make the semi and if luck final of major tournaments like Martina Hingis. However, I doubt she will win a Grand Slam unless the Williams sisters and Henin are out and even then, being a chocker, she will find a way to lose.

blumaroo
Nov 21st, 2005, 09:11 PM
Kim :)

goldenboi356
Nov 21st, 2005, 11:15 PM
before yec, i was sure she would beat everyone but when she lost to momo and pierce, i begin to doubt that she can actually win it. i'd say she'd make the semis, and possibly the final if she gets a decent draw