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frenchvee
Jun 4th, 2005, 12:26 AM
This is what Roger Federer said after his loss to Nadal


from the official Roland Garros website...

Federer's goal of winning the only Grand Slam title that has eluded him was shattered.

"My disappointment is obvious," Federer said. "I was in the final four and with a chance to win. I was trying my best and didn't always play that well. In know I can beat him on any surface. It's a pity he beat me here. But it's tough to impose yourself in five sets on clay and especially when he's a lefty and hits with so much spin. I didn't think he played much better than me. I had the keys to beat him if I played my best. I played poorly to finish and he was consistent and solid."

The board woul be in a frenzy if Serena said this after a loss.
It just to show you that every top player is a little cocky.

auntie janie
Jun 4th, 2005, 12:34 AM
Let's face it, this board gets in a frenzy WHATEVER Serena says. Some people here roam around the internet like heat-seeking missiles looking for any little thing to put a bad spin on.

CJ07
Jun 4th, 2005, 12:36 AM
Its not cockiness, its the truth

SilK
Jun 4th, 2005, 12:36 AM
I must admit... Federer is far beyond one of the best male players around. He has reason to be cocky! It suits him. :D

CC
Jun 4th, 2005, 12:43 AM
Federer is very confident when he speaks and that statement does come off a little cocky. But when top players talk like that there's a lot of truth in it because they can back it up.

Shenanigans
Jun 4th, 2005, 12:47 AM
He is hard on himself and that is what we would expect from a great champion.
Just along as he can move forward and learn from this match.

backhanddtl4
Jun 4th, 2005, 12:54 AM
Federer was telling the truth. Serena, when she says it, is telling the truth too. Usually she says it after some crappy performance, but if she played her best, she would have probably won easily.

Infiniti2001
Jun 4th, 2005, 01:00 AM
OMG! Mr dour seems to be developing a personality :lol:

*JR*
Jun 4th, 2005, 01:30 AM
For him that's mild. "Arrogant" for FedEx was when he said last year (re. whether A-Rod or Lleyton was his main challenger) something like: "Good, I get to pick my rival". If Serena Said THAT, it would have started a nice little war here! :scared:

XaDavK_Kapri
Jun 4th, 2005, 01:33 AM
It's the truth :shrug: And also, when Serena says this, it's usually the truth too. It's not cocky, it's just stating the facts.

XaDavK_Kapri
Jun 4th, 2005, 01:35 AM
For him that's mild. "Arrogant" for FedEx was when he said last year (re. whether A-Rod or Lleyton was his main challenger) something like: "Good, I get to pick my rival". If Serena Said THAT, it would have started a nice little war here! :scared:
And that's cocky ? :confused:

TonyP
Jun 4th, 2005, 01:51 AM
Don't forget, though, this is only Roger's third loss of the year. It's not often people beat him. Serena has lost to lots of people over the last couple of years and almost always said something like that. And Roger has lost only to the very top players, or in the case of Gasquet, someone with such visible talent that there is no doubt he will be a top playter soon,

But today should have been more of a wake up call to him. Nadal is close to his level, certainly above his level on clay. Whether he will fair as well in the grass and hardcourt seasons is yet to be determined.

But Nadal is the fastest man on the tour, seems to have unlimied energy, and great shotmaking ability. Roger should be worried, very worried.

G1Player2
Jun 4th, 2005, 01:56 AM
After watching the Federer match, everything he said was spot on.

I have a great respect for Serena, but she hasn't won 6 tournaments this year (like Fed), so his form clearly substantiates his words. Note- in the past, I think she was too heavily ostracized by people when she performed poorly- but was clearly the world's most dominant player.

Serena may not have won 6 tournaments but she has won the one that matters, a grand slam, Austrailian Open...

I'm sure Federer would trade ALL his 6 tournaments in for a victory at this year's Austrailian Open...

Paneru
Jun 4th, 2005, 01:59 AM
This is what Roger Federer said after his loss to Nadal


from the official Roland Garros website...

Federer's goal of winning the only Grand Slam title that has eluded him was shattered.

"My disappointment is obvious," Federer said. "I was in the final four and with a chance to win. I was trying my best and didn't always play that well. In know I can beat him on any surface. It's a pity he beat me here. But it's tough to impose yourself in five sets on clay and especially when he's a lefty and hits with so much spin. I didn't think he played much better than me. I had the keys to beat him if I played my best. I played poorly to finish and he was consistent and solid."

The board woul be in a frenzy if Serena said this after a loss.
It just to show you that every top player is a little cocky.

You'd have the status quo.

Petty bitchery despite everything said
by her being totally spot on.

Rtael
Jun 4th, 2005, 02:05 AM
Federer is ugly. He really has no reason to be cocky. Atleast Nadal is HOT.

cellophane
Jun 4th, 2005, 02:11 AM
Federer is ugly. He really has no reason to be cocky. Atleast Nadal is HOT.

Federer and ugly? :confused:

cellophane
Jun 4th, 2005, 02:12 AM
Maybe people are pissed off because Serena says the same thing in a different way?

Nabalonge
Jun 4th, 2005, 02:13 AM
Maybe people are pissed off because Serena says the same thing in a different way?

So it's about interpretation then?

Or is it about the number of times? But if saying it a few times as opposed to once or twice, and having the situation fit your words still makes you wrong what is it?

But I wonder, one person stated that after watching Roger, his words rang true so no harm, no foul. But even with similar happenings with Serena, somehow she'd still be wrong.

So it all boils down to excusing the player based on who they are. The excuses and reasonings seem to fly and come about then like they are now for Roger.

cellophane
Jun 4th, 2005, 02:16 AM
So it's about interpretation then?

When is it ever not?

Or is it about the number of times?


That could be it.

Rtael
Jun 4th, 2005, 02:18 AM
Federer and ugly? :confused:

I certainly hope that you're not trying to imply that Federer is ATTRACTIVE....

mboyle
Jun 4th, 2005, 02:20 AM
The difference, to me, is that Serena has gone through two years w/o playing at what she considers her best stuff. Federer has played his best for the same time frame match after match. Serena needs to do less talking and more practicing IMHO. Federer needs to give Nadal credit too. Nadal is the best claycourter on the circuit.

cellophane
Jun 4th, 2005, 02:21 AM
I certainly hope that you're not trying to imply that Federer is ATTRACTIVE....

He is certainly more attractive than a number of people... including Nadal.

mboyle
Jun 4th, 2005, 02:21 AM
Federer is ugly. He really has no reason to be cocky. Atleast Nadal is HOT.

Nadal looks like a wet rat. Federer has class w/ his looks (Nadal lacks that completely.) I like Nadal, but for his game. This idea that he is attractive is weird to me.

cellophane
Jun 4th, 2005, 02:22 AM
Nadal looks like a wet rat. Federer has class w/ his looks (Nadal lacks that completely.) I like Nadal, but for his game. This idea that he is attractive is weird to me.

Indeed! He should get himself a haircut now.

ginger_fish668
Jun 4th, 2005, 02:22 AM
I don't think what Roger said was cocky. He certainly has the goods to back it up.

As for the fans reaction....it's just cos we here on wtaworld are insane and sensitive. :p

ginger_fish668
Jun 4th, 2005, 02:25 AM
Nadal looks like a wet rat. Federer has class w/ his looks (Nadal lacks that completely.) I like Nadal, but for his game. This idea that he is attractive is weird to me.


Both Federer and Nadal aren't ugly. I've seen much worse. But I wouldn't call them hot by any means. :tape:

When did this become about looks? :confused:

@m@nd@
Jun 4th, 2005, 02:25 AM
it is the truth :)
it's hard to not be cocky when ur soo good

cellophane
Jun 4th, 2005, 02:27 AM
When did this become about looks? :confused:

When is it not? :o

tennnisfannn
Jun 4th, 2005, 02:41 AM
After 7 slams serena has earned the right, she knows she can beat anyone on any surface too.
Serena has backed her words. Remeber at the beginnning of the year everyone was talking about roger winning the Grand Slam, well he is yet to win one this year!

Rocketta
Jun 4th, 2005, 02:43 AM
There is really only one tournament that Roger would trade in non-grandslam wins to win (if he doesn't win it...) and it sure ain't the Aussie Open.

Further, Roger would rather his fitness, health and match practice to be able to compete at full capacity at Wimbledon. But this isn't the point. The point it, Roger is a dominating force in tennis currently, and is certainly entitled to make those comments based of his recent performances. Currently, Serena is not a dominating force and hasn't shown the domination she once had- therefore if she made any similar comments recently, they would have not had the same backing as Federers. And again, in the past when Serena was dominating- she had every right to make most of her self assured comments.

so you can not give your opponent credit if you are dominating? :lol: If you are not dominating then you can't say that? :lol:

and you're wrong he would definitely trade in those tournaments for a win at the AO or the French. Two slams down and the man who supposedly dominates isn't doing it when it counts the most.

Oh and one more thing Serena did that Federer has yet to...........win four majors in a row but he's earned the right to be confident and she hasn't. :lol:

lordy, all these different rules are just...:tape:

Denise4925
Jun 4th, 2005, 02:43 AM
Let's face it, this board gets in a frenzy WHATEVER Serena says. Some people here roam around the internet like heat-seeking missiles looking for any little thing to put a bad spin on.
True that!!! :worship: :worship: :worship:

Denise4925
Jun 4th, 2005, 02:45 AM
This is what Roger Federer said after his loss to Nadal


from the official Roland Garros website...

Federer's goal of winning the only Grand Slam title that has eluded him was shattered.

"My disappointment is obvious," Federer said. "I was in the final four and with a chance to win. I was trying my best and didn't always play that well. In know I can beat him on any surface. It's a pity he beat me here. But it's tough to impose yourself in five sets on clay and especially when he's a lefty and hits with so much spin. I didn't think he played much better than me. I had the keys to beat him if I played my best. I played poorly to finish and he was consistent and solid."

The board woul be in a frenzy if Serena said this after a loss.
It just to show you that every top player is a little cocky.
Personally I don't see anything wrong with what he said, even though I was rooting for Nadal to win. This is how he felt. He's confident in his own game, which he has every right to be. He gave Nadal credit, but he doesn't have to bow down to him, especially since he's the one who lost. I hate all this giving credit to your opponent crap. What the hell for...they won.

Denise4925
Jun 4th, 2005, 02:48 AM
After watching the Federer match, everything he said was spot on.

I have a great respect for Serena, but she hasn't won 6 tournaments this year (like Fed), so his form clearly substantiates his words. Note- in the past, I think she was too heavily ostracized by people when she performed poorly- but was clearly the world's most dominant player.
:lol: No, but she's won a slam and he hasn't. She's also won more slams and tournaments than Federer, so it would seem that she has every right to be just as confident. He has no greater right to say what he said because he's won more tournaments then her this year.

Denise4925
Jun 4th, 2005, 02:51 AM
So it's about interpretation then?

Or is it about the number of times? But if saying it a few times as opposed to once or twice, and having the situation fit your words still makes you wrong what is it?

But I wonder, one person stated that after watching Roger, his words rang true so no harm, no foul. But even with similar happenings with Serena, somehow she'd still be wrong.

So it all boils down to excusing the player based on who they are. The excuses and reasonings seem to fly and come about then like they are now for Roger.
Spot on!!! :worship: :worship: :worship:

RVD
Jun 4th, 2005, 02:55 AM
The difference, to me, is that Serena has gone through two years w/o playing at what she considers her best stuff. Federer has played his best for the same time frame match after match. Serena needs to do less talking and more practicing IMHO. Federer needs to give Nadal credit too. Nadal is the best claycourter on the circuit.Hm..? Maybe Serena should never answer questions posed to her by the press or post-match interviewers. Would that make you happy?
The way I see it is, when Serena went on a winning tear during her Serena Slam era, she was loathed for beating the other players. When she gave credit to her opponent (as she usually did) then she didn't give enough credit. When she was sick during matches (with the doctors' confirmations) she was still a liar. However, now that Roger F. is doing as great as when Serena did in the past, the BS is still the same. :shrug: Why is that?!
Mboyle, you stated "Federer has played his best for the same time frame match after match." Wasn't Serena doing the same back in 2002-2003 FOR AN ENTIRE YEAR PLUS??!!http://deephousepage.com/smilies/conf45.gif
Man, you've got to come with something better than that.

Denise4925
Jun 4th, 2005, 03:00 AM
There is really only one tournament that Roger would trade in non-grandslam wins to win (if he doesn't win it...) and it sure ain't the Aussie Open.

Further, Roger would rather his fitness, health and match practice to be able to compete at full capacity at Wimbledon. But this isn't the point. The point it, Roger is a dominating force in tennis currently, and is certainly entitled to make those comments based of his recent performances. Currently, Serena is not a dominating force and hasn't shown the domination she once had- therefore if she made any similar comments recently, they would have not had the same backing as Federers. And again, in the past when Serena was dominating- she had every right to make most of her self assured comments.
Oh puhleeze, when she was dominating, she got critisized for making comments with less bite than the one made by Federer here. Also, what is this, "she had every right to make most of her self assured comments". So what's allowed and what's not? Whether she's dominating or not she still has the goods to win a slam and can back up whatever she says.

Also, Federer's goal, like all pro tennis players is to have either a career Grand Slam (you know, what Serena possesses) or the Grand Slam, so to say that he doesn't care about any slam other than Wimby is just ridiculous. He was certainly disappointed when Marat beat him at the Aussie and he certainly sounds disppointed today.

RVD
Jun 4th, 2005, 03:02 AM
I think that as a whole, the WTA is looked upon differently by the general tennis public. For the longest time, when women's tennis aired (for years) no one took them seriously. Even during the greatest of matches, past and present. Yeah, yeah, the money has gotten better for the ladies, but not the respect for their game. Usually, it's the guys who get the big contracts. That is until Serena and Venus. Then the sponsors went nuts for them and what they brought to women's tennis. Even so, people still talk as if the Williams sisters owe tennis their very lives, when in actuality Venus and Serena gave the WTA that shot in the arm (boost) it needed to bring women's tennis into the 21st century.
But that just one man's observation.

Angel_Mars
Jun 4th, 2005, 03:05 AM
This is what Roger Federer said after his loss to Nadal


from the official Roland Garros website...

Federer's goal of winning the only Grand Slam title that has eluded him was shattered.

"My disappointment is obvious," Federer said. "I was in the final four and with a chance to win. I was trying my best and didn't always play that well. In know I can beat him on any surface. It's a pity he beat me here. But it's tough to impose yourself in five sets on clay and especially when he's a lefty and hits with so much spin. I didn't think he played much better than me. I had the keys to beat him if I played my best. I played poorly to finish and he was consistent and solid."

The board woul be in a frenzy if Serena said this after a loss.
It just to show you that every top player is a little cocky.

It would be nice if you quoted the entire interview instead of just quoting one paragraph to support your agenda. Federer also gave praise to Nadal in that interview and said "HE WAS THE BETTER PLAYER TODAY" along with lots of other positive things..........

Denise4925
Jun 4th, 2005, 03:08 AM
By not taking into account a players form across the entire current season, then Navratilova could play Wimbledon singles, lose to Serena in the first round, then say "It's a pity she beat me here. I could beat her on any surface"...It doesn't matter how many great victories Martina has had, the statement does not make so much sense in the current situation.

(Note: I like Serena. I like her self assuredness. If she had said what Roger had said if she had the type of season Roger is having, I would think her comments are not out of place.)
That's a poor analogy, seeing as how Martina hasn't won a slam since dinosaurs roamed the earth. Serena has won a slam this year...he hasn't. She's either been injured or sick in the last six months. She's clearly not in the form she was during her reign at No. 1, but she's not shabby either. Everyone knows Serena can win what she wants to win, when she wants to win it. She can back up what she says. She's got the recent slam to prove it.

RVD
Jun 4th, 2005, 03:15 AM
That's a poor analogy, seeing as how Martina hasn't won a slam since dinosaurs roamed the earth. Serena has won a slam this year...he hasn't. She's either been injured or sick in the last six months. She's clearly not in the form she was during her reign at No. 1, but she's not shabby either. Everyone knows Serena can win what she wants to win, when she wants to win it. She can back up what she says. She's got the recent slam to prove it.Also, I think people fail to realize that Serena played on that bad knee she had surgery on for who knows how long. THEN came back and won NASDAQ100 right after her return! But, people still say that she should do better. It's actually quite amazing when I hear people give excuses as to why Serena is 'this or that'.
I used to get riled when this happened, but now I just look at the facts. And the latest fact is that Serena ... a not in form and distracted Serena... won the AO. That has to count for something, you would think.

Denise4925
Jun 4th, 2005, 03:29 AM
No player, Federer, Serena, anyone, can win only when they want to. The tours are too competitive for that. By this logic, Serena didn't want to win any of the tournaments she entered that she lost? This isn't the case. Serena is a great competitor, who has had illness and injury holding her back.
I agree, but as you say, she's a great competitor and fighter who has had illness and injury holding her back over the last six months, but she is the type of fighter that when she puts her mind and heart to it, she can win it. So, in a sense, no I don't think she really cared about whether she won those tournaments or not.

TF Chipmunk
Jun 4th, 2005, 05:38 AM
Let's also not forget that English is not Federer's first language. Sometimes, things are lost in translation.

And also, this is not to troll on Serena or anything like that, but when Roger Federer, with the record that he has and the way he's been playing the last 2 years, he has the RIGHT to say things like that. When Serena says it, it's sort of like "meh" because she hasn't really backed it up much lately. Of course, the Serena from 2002 would have all the right in the world to say it because she was clearly one of THE BEST.

PointBlank
Jun 4th, 2005, 06:00 AM
Federer. Ugh. How anyone finds that hott. His nose is 3 times a size normal for him. He needs a hair cut. Anything else?

Prizeidiot
Jun 4th, 2005, 07:09 AM
Well, if a woman had said that after a loss to the most in form player on tour in the semi finals of a grand slam, I'll admit, I would not approve. If Serena had played the French Open this year, and lost to say, Justine in the semis, and made those comments, I'd say she is arrogant.

Similarly, with this comment by Roger, I don't approve. I mean, if there was anyone playing tennis now that could maybe truthfully say something like that, its Roger, but the comment still reeks of arrogance. And actually, if you go to the menstennisforums, you'd notice that a lot of people are actually critical of the comments. There isn't a huge issue, Roger made those comments, and he's being criticised for it. No different to the women.

Sun*Kissed
Jun 4th, 2005, 07:24 AM
It would be nice if you quoted the entire interview instead of just quoting one paragraph to support your agenda. Federer also gave praise to Nadal in that interview and said "HE WAS THE BETTER PLAYER TODAY" along with lots of other positive things..........
Exactly, but selective quoting is one of the means to falsely portray someone in a bad light :o and this is exactly what this is. In it's entirety, he did'nt discredit Rafa at all and praised him for playing well, and said that he indeed deserved to win. But some people decide to base their conclusions on this soundbite or the really important issues...like how big his nose is :rolleyes: What a world....

kosmikgroove
Jun 4th, 2005, 07:28 AM
Federer is ugly. He really has no reason to be cocky. Atleast Nadal is HOT.

yes and being hot wins titles! jan michael-gambill has a handful of Grand Slam Titles, right?!

Crazy Canuck
Jun 4th, 2005, 07:37 AM
There is like, a 5 page thread on MTF about these comments from Federer. It also isn't the first "Fed is cocky!" thread. I really don't see any difference here whatsoever - so what was your point? :shrug:

Julia1968
Jun 4th, 2005, 08:27 AM
Let's face it, this board gets in a frenzy WHATEVER Serena says. Some people here roam around the internet like heat-seeking missiles looking for any little thing to put a bad spin on.

"heat seeking missives"

Get it right.

Julia1968
Jun 4th, 2005, 08:31 AM
I agree, but as you say, she's a great competitor and fighter who has had illness and injury holding her back over the last six months

OMG, the excuses. Why don't you just meld her injury time from July 2003 to May 2005. :rolleyes:

The only thing holding back Serena and Venus is their lack of focus, motivation and the ability to stay in peak physical form that the best professional athletes perform at to be the best.

Stop making excuses for laziness.

Andy_
Jun 4th, 2005, 08:35 AM
"My disappointment is obvious," Federer said. "I was in the final four and with a chance to win. I was trying my best and didn't always play that well. In know I can beat him on any surface. It's a pity he beat me here. But it's tough to impose yourself in five sets on clay and especially when he's a lefty and hits with so much spin. I didn't think he played much better than me. I had the keys to beat him if I played my best. I played poorly to finish and he was consistent and solid."


As a matter of fact, Federer didn't play his best tennis today - he could have borrowed a statement like 'I was 1000 notches below my game' but come on, he so can't compete with the one and only Rena! ;)

It's true, he's very likely to become the best player ever, and considering his original attitude to clay and his improvements so far, I wouldn't be surprised if he could eventually capture the French title, one year or another... I believe he has more chances than Pete used to have when he showed up in Paris. Still, he can say he can beat Rafa on any surface, and that holds some truth, yet so far he lost to him on a hard court in straight sets the first time they played, then he managed to win in 5 after being 2 sets down, and down a break in the third, and then down in the tiebreak... this time he lost again, so of course Federer can beat Nadal, he has the weapons to do so... but Nadal has the weapons to beat Federer as well! :worship:

lilly
Jun 4th, 2005, 10:38 AM
There is like, a 5 page thread on MTF about these comments from Federer. It also isn't the first "Fed is cocky!" thread. I really don't see any difference here whatsoever - so what was your point? :shrug:
Post a pic of Rafa's ass and let the thread get closed. It's all men's tennis we need in here as far as I'm concerned :p .

stenen
Jun 4th, 2005, 11:01 AM
Why only Serena and a little bit Venus is discussed when the title is: "What would this board say if any women said this after a loss"?

And what does Federer's or Nadal's looks got to do with it? :confused:

fifiricci
Jun 4th, 2005, 11:34 AM
It wouldnt surprise me if either Serena or Juju said something like this after a loss, because that's the way they are, its part of their make up to have to say publically that they think they are the best. We could all behave like that. For instance, I could say that I'm far more intelligent than a lot of posters on this board, which is true, but I won't earn many friends speaking like that. Thankfully for those of you who are less intelligent than me, I was brought up to be modest, deferential and think my own thoughts (well, most of the time).

This post is a less than 100% serious experiment (just pointing that out for those of you who aren't particularly gifted in the sense of humour department) to see how many red dots I get: the more I do, the more my point will be proved.

;)

jj74
Jun 4th, 2005, 12:31 PM
Federer is the best player right now but not in clay, and Nadal almost beat him in Indian Wells. Yes Roger won 6 tittles but Nadal won 5 and yesterday was the best player on court

Fantastic
Jun 4th, 2005, 04:05 PM
It's the old double standard, no? Frankly, even out of context, Federer received very little flak for his words while Serena would've undoubtedly copped a lot more even if she had credited her opponent. However, Federer did give credit to Nadal, so we can forgive him for his harsh self-assessment.

skanky~skanketta
Jun 4th, 2005, 04:38 PM
well, i dont like him anyway. but now its full-on. i hope he loses at wimbledon. preferably to nadal.:tape:

and i hope he never wins the french open. EVER!

VS Fan
Jun 4th, 2005, 05:05 PM
Serena won the AO this year!!!
Serena won the AO this year!!!
Serena WON the AO this year!!!

How soon some folks forget!

She did not play the RG so she can't win it!!

I really don't think she would have won, but the final would surely have been altered.

Well I guess since she has not won EVERYTHING in spite of injury problems, that she is just washed up, and not a factor in tennis anymore!

Some were probably saying that about Mary Pierce or Justine recently.

Give it a rest!

LindsayRocks89
Jun 4th, 2005, 05:39 PM
gosh i hate Federer