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selesfan1
Jun 3rd, 2005, 10:08 PM
I was noticing that although Elena Likhovtseva is married they still called her Madmoiselle while they call like games and sets. So is this lack of information from the WTA, French Federation, or is it each player's choice to see what they're called?

cellophane
Jun 3rd, 2005, 10:26 PM
I thought I heard they called her Madame? :confused:

saby
Jun 3rd, 2005, 10:45 PM
I heard Madame too

Denise4925
Jun 3rd, 2005, 10:46 PM
I heard Madmoiselle too and wondered the same thing.

Elldee
Jun 3rd, 2005, 10:47 PM
The umpire in the match against Pierce called her madmoiselle incorrectly, against Dementieva and Karantancheva she'd been called Madame... the umpire musn't have realised she was married.

mboyle
Jun 3rd, 2005, 10:48 PM
I know not a word of French, but I know that in English, some think it impolite to call a woman Misses. Saying Madame might be at the discretion of the umpire.

volta
Jun 3rd, 2005, 10:50 PM
the umpire uses it to discribe if a player is married or not

Madame = married players

Madmoiselle = no married players

Shenanigans
Jun 3rd, 2005, 11:14 PM
the umpire uses it to discribe if a player is married or not

Madame = married players

Madmoiselle = no married players

Have they dropped this at Wimbledon now? Sorry, do not pay much attention.
Remember if it was a female umpire she could say Davenport but a male umpire would say Miss Davenport.
The fact that Davenport has also kept her maiden name she would still be called Miss Davenport, I think.
Anyway maybe they should just use nicks Juju leads Davey by 4 games to 3. ;)

cellophane
Jun 3rd, 2005, 11:16 PM
Have they dropped this at Wimbledon now? Sorry, do not pay much attention.
Remember if it was a female umpire she could say Davenport but a male umpire would say Miss Davenport.


Have they ever called anyone Mrs.? ;)

Shenanigans
Jun 3rd, 2005, 11:20 PM
Have they ever called anyone Mrs.? ;)

Mrs Evert-Lloyd someone from BOTP correct me if I am wrong. ;)

Denise4925
Jun 4th, 2005, 12:13 AM
Have they ever called anyone Mrs.? ;)
Oh most definitely. Especially in the 70's and pre-70's tournaments.

Denise4925
Jun 4th, 2005, 12:13 AM
Mrs Evert-Lloyd someone from BOTP correct me if I am wrong. ;)
You're correct. Mrs. King, as in BJK and Mrs. Court as in Margaret Smith Court. They also used their husbands' names on the scoreboard, as in Mrs. L.D. King for BJK. :lol:

CJ07
Jun 4th, 2005, 12:22 AM
BJK was married?

Denise4925
Jun 4th, 2005, 12:24 AM
BJK was married?
Oh yes. For a long time.

RenaSlam.
Jun 4th, 2005, 12:36 AM
The French don't like Russians. :)

Denise4925
Jun 4th, 2005, 01:23 AM
The French don't like Russians. :)
:rolleyes:

tennisrulz8
Jun 4th, 2005, 02:12 AM
In one of the matches the umpire did not even say anything. Do the umpires speak French or do they just learn the few phrases because I have heard some of them not speak a lot. And when they do it sounds strange. Others tell the crowd to be quiet and more.

crouching
Jun 4th, 2005, 06:19 AM
At Wimbledon, they do call them "Mrs.", even recently... Mrs. Henin-Hardenne and Mrs. Smashnova-Pistolesi.

They don't use "Mrs." or "Madame" if the player keeps their surname after marriage.

For example, Lindsay Davenport most certainly cannot be "Mrs. Davenport" or "Madame Davenport". Mrs. Davenport is her mother!

If Lindsay did use her married name, then we would be "Mrs. Leach". But since she retained her own surname, she is still "Ms Davenport" or "Mme Davenport"

volta
Jun 4th, 2005, 09:39 AM
Have they dropped this at Wimbledon now? Sorry, do not pay much attention.
Remember if it was a female umpire she could say Davenport but a male umpire would say Miss Davenport.
The fact that Davenport has also kept her maiden name she would still be called Miss Davenport, I think.
Anyway maybe they should just use nicks Juju leads Davey by 4 games to 3. ;)
i don´t really know about Wimbledon but at least thats what all commentators here say about that

Lady
Jun 4th, 2005, 09:43 AM
The often call Justine - Madmoiselle and Madame even during one match! :lol:

Andy T
Jun 4th, 2005, 10:21 AM
In French it is not unusual to hear Madame used with a woman's birth surname because "Madame" in French does not exactly correspond to "Mrs" in English. Madame is used both to indicate "married" and, with women around 30 or over who are not married, or divorced, it is used as sign of respect.

Thus, Chrissie was referred to as "Madame Evert" after her divorce from John Lloyd, and Lindsay is "Madame Davenport."

Fantastic
Jun 4th, 2005, 04:12 PM
It should be "Miss" or "Madamoiselle" unless the player uses her married name because, as crouching points out, the chair umpires would actually be referring to the players' mother! Imagine giving your mother credit for something YOU did? Never in a million years, I tell you! Not gonna happen! LOL.

lindsayno1
Jun 4th, 2005, 06:12 PM
yeah the lindsay one is weird!

In private shes Mrs Leach, but publically shes Miss Davenport! So who knows why they call her mrs Dav in france!

samn
Jun 4th, 2005, 08:26 PM
Thus, Chrissie was referred to as "Madame Evert" after her divorce from John Lloyd, and Lindsay is "Madame Davenport."

I always thought Madame Evert made Chrissie sound a bit like a brothel madam. :) So what do they call Martina? Is it Mme Navratilova?

samn
Jun 4th, 2005, 08:28 PM
yeah the lindsay one is weird!

In private shes Mrs Leach, but publically shes Miss Davenport! So who knows why they call her mrs Dav in france!

Does Davenport use her married name in her day to day life then? I had no idea! Hmm, I wonder if Steffi calls herself Mrs Agassi. :)

lindsayno1
Jun 4th, 2005, 08:45 PM
Yeah!!! Backed up by the fact that the back of her trainers say Mrs Leach ;)

Andy T
Jun 4th, 2005, 11:34 PM
I always thought Madame Evert made Chrissie sound a bit like a brothel madam. :) So what do they call Martina? Is it Mme Navratilova?
What do you mean, "sound like"? ;-) Martina remains Ma'amoiselle.