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serenafan08
Jun 2nd, 2005, 09:41 PM
Assuming she wins on Saturday, Justine will have won two Roland Garros titles in three years - and had she not been sick last year, she could have three-peated. Do you guys think she will repeat Chris's feat of winning seven French Opens? Can she surpass that mark?

SelesFan70
Jun 2nd, 2005, 09:43 PM
Monica could have threatened it had it not been for that horrible waste of Oxygen Gunther Parche...but I don't think anyone will win 8 to break Chrissie's record. Chrissie will always be the Queen of Clay. :worship:

Helen Lawson
Jun 2nd, 2005, 09:44 PM
No way. Careers don't last long enough anymore.

DA FOREHAND
Jun 2nd, 2005, 09:53 PM
Assuming she wins on Saturday, Justine will have won two Roland Garros titles in three years - and had she not been sick last year, she could have three-peated. Do you guys think she will repeat Chris's feat of winning seven French Opens? Can she surpass that mark?


No you can't win one year flame out the next and then repeat the cycle and expect to reach Evert's status....

Jakeev
Jun 2nd, 2005, 10:04 PM
No you can't win one year flame out the next and then repeat the cycle and expect to reach Evert's status....

Don't forget that it took Evert about 12 years to win seven titles. Provided Justine stays healthy and still wants to still compete, she has plenty of time to win several more titles.

RenaSlam.
Jun 2nd, 2005, 10:17 PM
No way in hell she'll pass Evert.

I say Enna gets 4-5 RG titles when all is said and done.

Allez-H
Jun 2nd, 2005, 10:19 PM
It's faaaaaaaaar too early to make such comparisans. Justine still has to win her second title, today she still only has one FO-title. And even if she wins saturday and eventhough she's one of the best, if not the best claycourters out there the only comparison or poll that can be made I think right now should be 'Is Justine going to surpass Aranxta's title-amount in RG' and then take it step by step

Dana Marcy
Jun 2nd, 2005, 10:20 PM
Who knows? We'll have to wait 8-10 years to know the answer? :shrug:

Helen Lawson
Jun 2nd, 2005, 10:21 PM
Don't forget that it took Evert about 12 years to win seven titles. Provided Justine stays healthy and still wants to still compete, she has plenty of time to win several more titles.

Three of those 12 years (76-78) she skipped RG to play Team Tennis. So, she did get those 7 in like 10 tries, not bad.

DA FOREHAND
Jun 2nd, 2005, 10:21 PM
It's faaaaaaaaar too early to make such comparisans. Justine still has to win her second title, today she still only has one FO-title. And even if she wins saturday and eventhough she's one of the best, if not the best claycourters out there the only comparison or poll that can be made I think right now should be 'Is Justine going to surpass Aranxta's title-amount in RG' and then take it step by step


exactly...

Lady
Jun 2nd, 2005, 10:26 PM
It's faaaaaaaaar too early to make such comparisans. Justine still has to win her second title, today she still only has one FO-title. And even if she wins saturday and eventhough she's one of the best, if not the best claycourters out there the only comparison or poll that can be made I think right now should be 'Is Justine going to surpass Aranxta's title-amount in RG' and then take it step by step

Thank you!
It's so early for this thread, and there's no need in one right now! ;)

MisterQ
Jun 3rd, 2005, 12:00 AM
I don't think Evert's Roland Garros record or her clay record in general will ever be surpassed. But that doesn't mean that Justine couldn't become an RG legend in her own right. If she could equal or surpass 3 RG titles (Seles, Sanchez-Vicario) she would already be in elite company.

skanky~skanketta
Jun 3rd, 2005, 12:15 AM
i'm a huge fan, but no. i dont think so. winning 2 would be awesome already!

jenny161185
Jun 3rd, 2005, 12:59 AM
Myabe not 8 but I could see her ending up with 5 well who knows she looks so confident and comfortable on clay shes a joy to watch - allez Juju on Saturday!

tennislover
Jun 3rd, 2005, 01:08 AM
the new chris evert??????????????????????????? :eek:
should i laugh or cry?

thelittlestelf
Jun 3rd, 2005, 02:02 AM
I don't think anyone ever will... but then again, never say never.

d i e t e r
Jun 3rd, 2005, 02:24 AM
No one ever will! At least I hope so :)
Chrissie had so much class and grace she deserves this record! :hearts:

mboyle
Jun 3rd, 2005, 03:08 AM
Someone will break the record (it isn't Margaret Court's 11 Aussies for gosh sake.) Justine is almost unbeatable on clay at this point, but things change quickly in this sport. Maria could learn to play on it (she seems absolutely determined to, unlike LD.) Sesil is going to be a force on clay starting next season. Ana Ivanovic seems very at home on dirt. I do think Juju will win somewhere in the 4 to 8 range, but whether she hits the higher or lower portions of that depends on too many factors even to predict haphazardly.

switz
Jun 3rd, 2005, 03:21 AM
who knows. Justine has been back for a few months. You can't presume she is going to have a smooth career from here on in where she'll 7 or 8 chances of playing Roland Garros in her prime. In her appearances in the last 4 years she has gone: R1 (sick), Won, R2 (sick), final (still going).

I don't she her as a player who goes til her mid thirties considering she would have been married for 10 years by the time she's in her early 30s so to beat Evert's record she is really going to have to hope nothing goes wrong again.

good luck though.

Patty is going to win the next 9 French Opens anyway so it inconsequential.

alexusjonesfan
Jun 3rd, 2005, 05:24 AM
let her at least win 2 for a start sheesh :p

VeeReeDavJCap81
Jun 3rd, 2005, 05:37 AM
Justine will definitely OWN the French Open for at least 4 more years I'd say. All the girls on tour are big ball bangers that can't hang on clay.

jirobkk
Jun 3rd, 2005, 09:59 AM
Henin will win the FO title many more but not over 7 times as Chris did.

Tennisaddict
Jun 3rd, 2005, 10:04 AM
I see Henin winning the FO 3 or 4 times in total, but I don't think she will pass Evert's number of seven. It's a different era where real domination doesn't exist anymore.

Rub
Jun 3rd, 2005, 10:12 AM
let's see...

Ambrosia
Jun 3rd, 2005, 05:40 PM
If the varied winners of the 10 past French Opens are any indication and Justine plays 7 more years, she will probably not surpass Chrissie.

DA FOREHAND
Jun 3rd, 2005, 07:07 PM
Justine has one French Open title and a chance at another, I can't see beyond that.

Calimero377
Jun 3rd, 2005, 09:03 PM
Monica could have threatened it had it not been for that horrible waste of Oxygen Gunther Parche...but I don't think anyone will win 8 to break Chrissie's record. Chrissie will always be the Queen of Clay. :worship:


Even if Seles had won ALL the FOs she missed because of The Stabbing she only would have won 6 titles.
And we must not forget how much luck she had in FO 90-92.

For example in 1990:
2nd round vs. Kelesi 4-6, 6-4, 6-4
qf vs. Man. Maleeva 3-6, 6-1, 7-5

Or in 1992:
4th round vs. Kijimuta 6-1, 3-6, 6-4
final vs. Graf 6-2, 3-6, 10-8

And from 1996 until today she didn't win another FO.
Obviously she had her 15 minutes of fame in those years. But not enough talent and longevity to win many more FO titles.

Two more FO finals in 93-95 and one more title is very generous when we try to speculate what Seles would have won in 93-95 without The Stabbing.

Calimero377
Jun 3rd, 2005, 09:12 PM
No way in hell she'll pass Evert.

I say Enna gets 4-5 RG titles when all is said and done.



Although I'm a great Enna fan I never would expect 4-5 FO titles from her. She is about to win her 2nd FO only tomorrow!

Many fans make the same mistake again and again. They try to extrapolate the next years by watching at the results of the last 2 or 3 years.

Who would have thought that Graf's 88 Grand Slam would be her only one?
Who would have thought that Sabby never would win another slam after her USO 90 triumph?
Who would have thought that Seles would win her last slam as a 22-year-old?
Who would have thought that Hingis would have won her last slam with the AO 99 title?
Who would have thought that Venus wouldn't win another slam after her USO 01 win?



If Justine wins a third FO in the next years and 8 slams in total I would be very pleased. She would be the best in this century so far. :worship:

manu32
Jun 3rd, 2005, 09:19 PM
before chrissie....she must win more titles than ASV steffi or maybe pierce????

serenafan08
Jun 5th, 2005, 12:42 AM
Well now that she's won her second French Open, we can really start this debate. Do you guys think she has a chance to dominate Paris like Chris did? Personally I don't think so because there are other players that will really challenge her, namely Serena and Maria. Serena has really evolved as a clay-courter, and Maria will only get better. After Jennifer and Lindsay retire, I think these three will be battling it out week after week.

shap_half
Jun 5th, 2005, 02:21 AM
Serena might have evolved as a claycourter, but she is nowhere near as good as Justine on clay. One might say that she's "9000 notches" below Justine's level on clay.

When Maria wins a clay tournament then we can talk.

GoSandrine
Jun 5th, 2005, 02:34 AM
Monica could have threatened it had it not been for that horrible waste of Oxygen Gunther Parche...but I don't think anyone will win 8 to break Chrissie's record. Chrissie will always be the Queen of Clay. :worship:

agreed :worship:

Chrissie :hearts: :drool: :kiss:

Denise4925
Jun 5th, 2005, 02:38 AM
Serena might have evolved as a claycourter, but she is nowhere near as good as Justine on clay. One might say that she's "9000 notches" below Justine's level on clay.

When Maria wins a clay tournament then we can talk.
Well, she did beat Justine in Rome and at RG (or was that Venus) in '02, and she was ahead in 2003 in the second set until the hand incident. So, I wouldn't say 9000 notches below Justine's level on clay. They may be equal, seeing as how Serena did not play RG and Justine struggled for most of the tournament. :wavey:

shap_half
Jun 5th, 2005, 02:43 AM
Well, she did beat Justine in Rome and at RG (or was that Venus) in '02, and she was ahead in 2003 in the second set until the hand incident. So, I wouldn't say 9000 notches below Justine's level on clay. They may be equal, seeing as how Serena did not play RG and Justine struggled for most of the tournament. :wavey:

Neither Venus nor Serena has ever beaten Justine in RG. In 2002, Justine had the flu and lost in the 1R to Aniko Kapros.

Serena and Justine are NO WAY equal on clay. That just is not an accurate assesment of their capabilities on this surface.

Serena has done very well in tailoring her game to win on clay in 2002 and make it far on tournaments in 2003, but since then she hasn't really played particularly well on the surface.

Let's face it, Serena still has problems with her movement on the surface and she still rushes through rallies. With her win in 2002, Serena showed that she CAN play on clay and be successful, but Justine is overall the better claycourter.

Denise4925
Jun 5th, 2005, 02:58 AM
Neither Venus nor Serena has ever beaten Justine in RG. In 2002, Justine had the flu and lost in the 1R to Aniko Kapros.

Oh, my bad she went out in the 1R.

Serena and Justine are NO WAY equal on clay. That just is not an accurate assesment of their capabilities on this surface.

According to you.

Serena has done very well in tailoring her game to win on clay in 2002 and make it far on tournaments in 2003, but since then she hasn't really played particularly well on the surface.

She hasn't really played on it that much since 2003, but she did make it to the quarters last year at RG and that's not shabby.

Let's face it, Serena still has problems with her movement on the surface and she still rushes through rallies. With her win in 2002, Serena showed that she CAN play on clay and be successful, but Justine is overall the better claycourter.

Even though the head to head is 3-1 in Justine's favor, those sets have been close with tie breaks and two three setters. So, I wouldn't say Justine is overall the better claycourter, because when they are both playing their best on the surface, it's a toss up.

Kart
Jun 5th, 2005, 12:03 PM
I think there's a long way to go before Chris Evert comparisons become relevant.

To be honest I think there's still a long way to go before ASV comparisons become relevant as well - Arantxa did reach six finals in Paris.

Sam L
Jun 5th, 2005, 12:04 PM
Maybe it was an omen when someone called her Christine at the US Open.

saki
Jun 5th, 2005, 12:22 PM
I think the question should be "will she equal or surpass ASV's record at RG?" and my feeling is that she'll probably equal it. With her physical frailty - it sounds as though the virus could come back at any time - she's likely to miss at least a couple of RGs in the next few years or play them ill/injured, she'll have competition from Serena and Sveta amongst others, and RG has been a rather unpredictable slam. I think she'll win it at least four times in total but more than that, I can't say.