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creep
Jun 2nd, 2005, 05:37 PM
I was watching the semi finals today and this was a comment made by an acquaintance of mine when he saw who was playing in the semi.
He thought Mary is over the hill, and didnít know who the hell Elena was.

hablo
Jun 2nd, 2005, 05:39 PM
your friend must not follow tennis too much. Pierce has already won two grand slams !!! :haha:

Pengwin
Jun 2nd, 2005, 05:40 PM
Elena is the girl that beat Elena in Wimbledon 3rd round a few years ago.

creep
Jun 2nd, 2005, 05:47 PM
your friend must not follow tennis too much. Pierce has already won two grand slams !!! :haha:

No he does know a fair bit about tennis,(I'd say he's knows more than you for definite) and sport in particular.

creep
Jun 2nd, 2005, 05:48 PM
Elena is the girl that beat Elena in Wimbledon 3rd round a few years ago.

That Elena? lol

He couldn't believe she was ranked #16(?) for this tournament.

hablo
Jun 2nd, 2005, 05:52 PM
No he does know a fair bit about tennis,(I'd say he's knows more than you for definite) and sport in particular.

:haha: good for him !!!!! Mary deserves to be in the final (beating Davenport, etc.) and is not over the hill!! deal with it !!! :ras: :nerner:

Pengwin
Jun 2nd, 2005, 05:52 PM
Is you friend Calimero?

alibaby
Jun 2nd, 2005, 05:56 PM
your friend must not follow tennis too much. Pierce has already won two grand slams !!! :haha:
exactly!and she stands where she stands,because she played tennis on a very high level the last two weeks!so,whats his problem??

creep
Jun 2nd, 2005, 05:59 PM
:haha: good for him !!!!! Mary deserves to be in the final (beating Davenport, etc.) and is not over the hill!! deal with it !!! :ras: :nerner:

Where does it say Mary did not deserve to be in the final? I think it's more of a general criticism of the womenís game.

Do you really think Lindsay tried her best during this tournament? She tried to lose 3 times before somebody finally put her out of her misery.

creep
Jun 2nd, 2005, 06:00 PM
Is you friend Calimero?

Hehe At no time was Steffi Graf mentioned. But Aranxta was.

Helen Lawson
Jun 2nd, 2005, 06:00 PM
Where does it say Mary did not deserve to be in the final? I think it's more of a general criticism of the womenís game.

Do you really think Lindsay tried her best during this tournament? She tried to lose 3 times before somebody finally put her out of her misery.

I got the clear impression she had her plane tickets with her in her tennis bag when she was playing Kim and then when it was over, it's like, what the hell, I have to spend two more days here and change my reservations.

creep
Jun 2nd, 2005, 06:05 PM
I got the clear impression she had her plane tickets with her in her tennis bag when she was playing Kim and then when it was over, it's like, what the hell, I have to spend two more days here and change my reservations.

Yeah Helen it appeared that way didnít it. I thought she left the taxi waiting while she was playing her first match.

Iím an avid fan (well one time I was) but come on, there had to be many people cringing when they watched those two semi finals today, especially the one with Elena.

hablo
Jun 2nd, 2005, 06:05 PM
Where does it say Mary did not deserve to be in the final? I think it's more of a general criticism of the womenís game.
Do you really think Lindsay tried her best during this tournament? She tried to lose 3 times before somebody finally put her out of her misery.

so when some players (Williams sisters, Steffi, etc.) dominate, women's tennis has no depth. when some players who aren't really known make later rounds in women's tennis, women's game is not up to par!!! It's like I'm sick of people putting women's tennis down at all cost!!!! If this happens in men's game, oh there is so much depth, bla bla. . .

Your appreciation of Lindsay's performance is quite amusing. . . :lol:

I think your friend should just stick to watching men's tennis!!!!!! :haha: :fiery:

RAA
Jun 2nd, 2005, 06:07 PM
the french open has produced some wacky results lately I think... I don't think its a reflection of the state of the game necessarily.

Helen Lawson
Jun 2nd, 2005, 06:09 PM
Yeah Helen it appeared that way didnít it. I thought she left the taxi waiting while she was playing her first match.

Iím an avid fan (well one time I was) but come on, there had to be many people cringing when they watched those two semi finals today, especially the one with Elena.

Unlike many tennis fans, I do actually enjoy the occassional slaughter. I love to see someone totally outclassed and humiliated. But only sometimes. And not twice in one day.

Hadn't Elena not even won a singles match in a long time and is enjoying this ranking based on like getting to the finals of Canada last year?

KV
Jun 2nd, 2005, 06:10 PM
Elena is the girl that beat Elena in Wimbledon 3rd round a few years ago.In the year 2002. Elena L. def. Elena Baltacha in the 3rd round. In the 2nd round Elena L. def. K. Clijsters

creep
Jun 2nd, 2005, 06:12 PM
so when some players (Williams sisters, Steffi, etc.) dominate, women's tennis has no depth. when some players who aren't really known make later rounds in women's tennis, women's game is not up to par!!! It's like I'm sick of people putting women's tennis down at all cost!!!! If this happens in men's game, oh there is so much depth, bla bla. . .

Your appreciation of Lindsay's performance is quite amusing. . . :lol:

I think your friend should just stick to watching men's tennis!!!!!! :haha: :fiery:

lol You think it has depth after watching those matches today? Seriously? The quarters weren't much better.

Funny you should mention Menís tennis, he said that the women did not deserve the same prize money neither.

Sir Stefwhit
Jun 2nd, 2005, 06:13 PM
so when some players (Williams sisters, Steffi, etc.) dominate, women's tennis has no depth. when some players who aren't really known make later rounds in women's tennis, women's game is not up to par!!! It's like I'm sick of people putting women's tennis down at all cost!!!! If this happens in men's game, oh there is so much depth, bla bla. . .
there is a double standard, no doubt about it...

alibaby
Jun 2nd, 2005, 06:13 PM
so when some players (Williams sisters, Steffi, etc.) dominate, women's tennis has no depth. when some players who aren't really known make later rounds in women's tennis, women's game is not up to par!!! It's like I'm sick of people putting women's tennis down at all cost!!!! If this happens in men's game, oh there is so much depth, bla bla. . .

Your appreciation of Lindsay's performance is quite amusing. . . :lol:

I think your friend should just stick to watching men's tennis!!!!!! :haha: :fiery:
oh,finally someone,who thinks like me!!thank you,hablovah19!! i tried to stake my case a thousand times,the last days,but to no avail!many of them have really strange thoughts about the game!lets just enjoy the the game,should nt we?

creep
Jun 2nd, 2005, 06:16 PM
Unlike many tennis fans, I do actually enjoy the occassional slaughter. I love to see someone totally outclassed and humiliated. But only sometimes. And not twice in one day.

Hadn't Elena not even won a singles match in a long time and is enjoying this ranking based on like getting to the finals of Canada last year?

Hehe I don't mind/enjoy a player getting a good whipping (depends on who I'm into at that time. I go on and off players so often, like a whores knickers)

Surely this shows up how poor the womenís game is, without certain players getting their fingers out!

hablo
Jun 2nd, 2005, 06:20 PM
lol You think it has depth after watching those matches today? Seriously? The quarters weren't much better.

Funny you should mention Menís tennis, he said that the women did not deserve the same prize money neither.

surprise. surprise. :lol::rolleyes:

just this year there have been some surprises in men's tennis. does your buddy even know how Davydenko or Puerta are?? so much more depth in men's tennis. oh yes, I forgot!! :haha:

In one day, coria, gaudio and marat were all eliminated. . .

this is what grand slams more interesting in women's and men's tennis. :p

hablo
Jun 2nd, 2005, 06:22 PM
oh,finally someone,who thinks like me!!thank you,hablovah19!! i tried to stake my case a thousand times,the last days,but to no avail!many of them have really strange thoughts about the game!lets just enjoy the the game,should nt we?

no problem!!! one in a while I find a poster who agrees with me!!! hopefully by next century more people will understand our points of views :lol: :bounce:

hablo
Jun 2nd, 2005, 06:23 PM
there is a double standard, no doubt about it...

:worship: :angel:

creep
Jun 2nd, 2005, 06:26 PM
surprise. surprise. :lol::rolleyes:

just this year there have been some surprises in men's tennis. does your buddy even know how Davydenko or Puerta are?? so much more depth in men's tennis. oh yes, I forgot!! :haha:

In one day, coria, gaudio and marat were all eliminated. . .

this is what grand slams more interesting in women's and men's tennis. :p

But one time he named the top250 players in the men's rankings. Backwards! (While drinking a bottle of Bud)

Btw he's not my buddy. He's my social worker.

Jakeev
Jun 2nd, 2005, 06:28 PM
The game is being represented by many age groups in 2005. What is wrong with that? The fact a tennis player can get better with age should not be called washed up but applauded.

Creep, you friend is a fine example of a biased tennis fan who thinks all great tennis players should be 19.


Well that is not the reality of tennis anymore. Ageism is just wrong.

alibaby
Jun 2nd, 2005, 06:30 PM
no problem!!! one in a while I find a poster who agrees with me!!! hopefully by next century more people will understand our points of views :lol: :bounce:
hope so too..but hey,the whole thing is so easy!its just about enjoyying the game!and maybe,people should accept,that the times have changed.i follow womens tennis since the early 90ies,so i think i know the game pretty well!the girls are totally different nowadays,from their anatomy,the faster game!so,just let them do their thing,they know better than these "couch-potatoes"!!

but,that aside:do you live directly in canada?its one of my dream countries!and i find it so fascinating,to sit somewhere in the world,and write to someone,somewhere in the world,and that all within a few minutes!great,is nt it?

creep
Jun 2nd, 2005, 06:32 PM
The game is being represented by many age groups in 2005. What is wrong with that? The fact a tennis player can get better with age should not be called washed up but applauded.

Creep, you friend is a fine example of a biased tennis fan who thinks all great tennis players should be 19.


Well that is not the reality of tennis anymore. Ageism is just wrong.

No he's not biased. The comment did not mention Mary's age. I believe he was refering to her play over the past few years. But if there are up and coming starlets on the tour, where are they? Even I don't see them.

hablo
Jun 2nd, 2005, 06:32 PM
But one time he named the top250 players in the men's rankings. Backwards! (While drinking a bottle of Bud)

Btw he's not my buddy. He's my social worker.

oh just top250?? :eek: :lol:

I was being sarcastic about those two, even I, "less" knowledgeable than your buddy, knows of them! :p

funny how that's the only part of my post you cared to reply to?? :haha:

hablo
Jun 2nd, 2005, 06:34 PM
hope so too..but hey,the whole thing is so easy!its just about enjoyying the game!and maybe,people should accept,that the times have changed.i follow womens tennis since the early 90ies,so i think i know the game pretty well!the girls are totally different nowadays,from their anatomy,the faster game!so,just let them do their thing,they know better than these "couch-potatoes"!!

but,that aside:do you live directly in canada?its one of my dream countries!and i find it so fascinating,to sit somewhere in the world,and write to someone,somewhere in the world,and that all within a few minutes!great,is nt it?

I live there, but I'm in France, for a bit!!! You're one of a few who finds Canada to be a dream country ;) :hug: :wavey:

alibaby
Jun 2nd, 2005, 06:35 PM
The game is being represented by many age groups in 2005. What is wrong with that? The fact a tennis player can get better with age should not be called washed up but applauded.

Creep, you friend is a fine example of a biased tennis fan who thinks all great tennis players should be 19.


Well that is not the reality of tennis anymore. Ageism is just wrong.
very good opinion!but some will never learn...

creep
Jun 2nd, 2005, 06:37 PM
oh just top250?? :eek: :lol:

I was being sarcastic about those two, even I, "less" knowledgeable than your buddy, knows of them! :p

funny how that's the only part of my post you cared to reply to?? :haha:

OK next time I'll ask him to recite the top500?

Why what other part was worth while replying to? lol

Tennis Fool
Jun 2nd, 2005, 06:37 PM
I was watching the semi finals today and this was a comment made by an acquaintance of mine when he saw who was playing in the semi.
He thought Mary is over the hill, and didn’t know who the hell Elena was.

The same could be said about the men's draw. Who were among the qtrfinalists? Tommy Robredo, Nikolai Davydenko, Mariano Puerta and Guille Canas. Who? I don't know which was more shocking--the men's or women's side.

saphir1
Jun 2nd, 2005, 06:38 PM
I actually cannot understand such a thread like this. And in my opinion, people who are stating things like this are not real fans of the sports as it is today.

I think there should never be a question why players are in a certain round, because this is clear, and no other reason/statement can be accpeted. And for me the fact that not the first four seeds are in the semi-final or other well-known people is what makes the sport exciting and entertaining.

:wavey:

hablo
Jun 2nd, 2005, 06:38 PM
The same could be said about the men's draw. Who were among the qtrfinalists? Tommy Robredo, Nikolai Davydenko, Mariano Puerta and Guille Canas. Who? I don't know which was more shocking--the men's or women's side.

I pointed that out, but he failed to address this!! ;) :lol:

hablo
Jun 2nd, 2005, 06:39 PM
I actually cannot understand such a thread like this. And in my opinion, people who are stating things like this are not real fans of the sports as it is today.

I think there should never be a question why players are in a certain round, because this is clear, and no other reason/statement can be accpeted. And for me the fact that not the first four seeds are in the semi-final or other well-known people is what makes the sport exciting and entertaining.

:wavey:

:worship: :wavey:

creep
Jun 2nd, 2005, 06:39 PM
The same could be said about the men's draw. Who were among the qtrfinalists? Tommy Robredo, Nikolai Davydenko, Mariano Puerta and Guille Canas. Who? I don't know which was more shocking--the men's or women's side.

Possibly. I don't follow men's tennis at all. But I'm sure they'll put up more of an effort than the women, and play far superior matches.

Tennis Fool
Jun 2nd, 2005, 06:48 PM
Possibly. I don't follow men's tennis at all. But I'm sure they'll put up more of an effort than the women, and play far superior matches.

You should watch some. At least watch the Nadal/Federer match ;)

Re: putting up more effort-- Fed has yet to drop a set and Nadal only dropped one (due to the French crowd booing) and he bagelled his last opponent.

Now are these two just way dominant, or is the ATP weak??? Both finalist from last year failed to pass the 4th rd, and Coria was expected to be a finalist.

hablo
Jun 2nd, 2005, 06:55 PM
You should watch some. At least watch the Nadal/Federer match ;)

Re: putting up more effort-- Fed has yet to drop a set and Nadal only dropped one (due to the French crowd booing) and he bagelled his last opponent.

Now are these two just way dominant, or is the ATP weak??? Both finalist from last year failed to pass the 4th rd, and Coria was expected to be a finalist.

ssssshhhhhhhhhhh. this only happens in women's tennis, remember. and that's proof that there is no depth? :haha:

creep
Jun 2nd, 2005, 06:59 PM
You should watch some. At least watch the Nadal/Federer match ;)

Re: putting up more effort-- Fed has yet to drop a set and Nadal only dropped one (due to the French crowd booing) and he bagelled his last opponent.

Now are these two just way dominant, or is the ATP weak??? Both finalist from last year failed to pass the 4th rd, and Coria was expected to be a finalist.

I do like Federer.:)

lol Ok Tennis Fool I'll give it a go. I'll watch the semi finals tomorrow.

Look I did not make the initial comment. An acquaintance of mine did.

Personally I think there are many mediocre players on the WTA tour, most of which I'm a fan of. But I do believe there are very few champions.

Wojtek
Jun 2nd, 2005, 07:12 PM
Pathetic thread. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

She is in the final because she won 6 matches. She beat Vera,Patty, Linsday and Likhotseva and it isn't her fault that Serena chose party in LA or that Kim chocked again. Top half was weaker and she took her chance. I know that she would have been in the final or even in the 1/4 if she had played in the bottom half but one more time who cares she is the final :ras:

saphir1
Jun 2nd, 2005, 07:21 PM
Personally I think there are many mediocre players on the WTA tour, most of which I'm a fan of. But I do believe there are very few champions.

:eek:

For me there are no "mediocre players", but only champions ;)

:wavey:

creep
Jun 2nd, 2005, 07:21 PM
Pathetic thread. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

She is in the final because she won 6 matches. She beat Vera,Patty, Linsday and Likhotseva and it isn't her fault that Serena chose party in LA or that Kim chocked again. Top half was weaker and she took her chance. I know that she would have been in the final or even in the 1/4 if she had played in the bottom half but one more time who cares she is the final :ras:

You are the one disputing her tennis capability by mentioning Serena (she never played the event) and Kim choking. So if Serena had played you think she wouldn't have made the final ,and if Kim had not choked she would still not be there.

Youre the one who states she's lucky to be in the final, not me.

creep
Jun 2nd, 2005, 07:22 PM
:eek:

For me there are no "mediocre players", but only champions ;)

:wavey:

The hall of fame must be massive to fit them all in.

saphir1
Jun 2nd, 2005, 07:25 PM
The hall of fame must be massive to fit them all in.

why that? there are not many, as you said. it has never been different. but in my opinion, it is the "mediocre player" that makes someone other a champion and not the other way round (but might be only my opinion). You might got me wrong. ;)

:wavey:

Wojtek
Jun 2nd, 2005, 07:30 PM
You are the one disputing her tennis capability by mentioning Serena (she never played the event) and Kim choking. So if Serena had played you think she wouldn't have made the final ,and if Kim had not choked she would still not be there.

Youre the one who states she's lucky to be in the final, not me.

Yes she was lucky but she played four great matches and she deserved to be in the final.

Why women's tennis is poor for you? Becuase Mary played great and she is the final, because your favourite isn't in the final or maybe because your friend is stupid and doesn't know too much about tennis.

creep
Jun 2nd, 2005, 07:34 PM
Yes she was lucky but she played four great matches and she deserved to be in the final.

Why women's tennis is poor for you? Becuase Mary played great and she is the final, because your favourite isn't in the final or maybe because your friend is stupid and doesn't know too much about tennis.

How can she deserve to be in the final if she was lucky?

Yes I agree with you Mary has played out of her skin this tournament.

And yes it's because my favourite Guilia Casoni did not reach the final. But she never played the event, so more luck on Mary's side.

hablo
Jun 2nd, 2005, 07:38 PM
I don't think Mary was lucky in reaching the final!!! :nerner:

I just some posters are just bitter their fav didn't do well!!!!!!

(Momo didn't do as well as expected but that take away from other players performance :o )

Wojtek
Jun 2nd, 2005, 07:38 PM
How can she deserve to be in the final if she was lucky?

Yes I agree with you Mary has played out of her skin this tournament.

And yes it's because my favourite Guilia Casoni did not reach the final. But she never played the event, so more luck on Mary's side.

So stop posting on GM and check Challenger forum.

Jakeev
Jun 2nd, 2005, 07:39 PM
No he's not biased. The comment did not mention Mary's age. I believe he was refering to her play over the past few years. But if there are up and coming starlets on the tour, where are they? Even I don't see them.

Uh there were three of them in the quarters or did you forget that?:lol:

RVD
Jun 2nd, 2005, 07:44 PM
:lol::haha: That was hella cold, but it had me laughing too. :lol:

creep
Jun 2nd, 2005, 07:45 PM
Uh there were three of them in the quarters or did you forget that?:lol:

lol Three what? Stop confusing me. ;)

creep
Jun 2nd, 2005, 07:47 PM
I don't think Mary was lucky in reaching the final!!! :nerner:

I just some posters are just bitter their fav didn't do well!!!!!!

(Momo didn't do as well as expected but that take away from other players performance :o )

Names?

My favourite did exceptionally well, especially for her age. She reached the final! Go Mary!!

Jakeev
Jun 2nd, 2005, 07:49 PM
lol Three what? Stop confusing me. ;)]

Lol there were three starlets in the quarterfinals.......smacks creep over the head with my empty bottle of merlot to wake his ass up.......:lol:

hablo
Jun 2nd, 2005, 07:57 PM
Names?
My favourite did exceptionally well, especially for her age. She reached the final! Go Mary!!


they know who they are!! :lol:

creep
Jun 2nd, 2005, 08:02 PM
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Lol there were three starlets in the quarterfinals.......smacks creep over the head with my empty bottle of merlot to wake his ass up.......:lol:

With ya now.

I'm trying to recall who was in the quarters. There was that Sesil somebody, and Ana Ivanovic (well she's not bad what I seen of her, she'd remind you of a young Lindsay in a way) who was the third?:)

AkademiQ
Jun 2nd, 2005, 08:12 PM
Isn't this the depth that so many have been talking about and wanting :shrug:

creep
Jun 2nd, 2005, 08:17 PM
they know who they are!! :lol:

Am I one of them? Cause if I am I didn't know. :)

Jakeev
Jun 2nd, 2005, 08:36 PM
Isn't this the depth that so many have been talking about and wanting :shrug:

Yeah but there seems to be this impression among some nitwits that if a woman who is 30 makes it to the final of a Grand Slam something has to be wrong with the game. So damned if you and you know the rest.

Dana Marcy
Jun 2nd, 2005, 08:57 PM
I thought somebody along the way would exploit Mary's weaknesses but she didn't give them a chance to OR when they were trying to throw her off, she dug deep and stopped them (even if they succeeded a little bit).

Tennis Fool
Jun 12th, 2005, 03:25 AM
Nadal/Federer was overhyped and underwhelming, like so many of the women's matches. However, the final I hear was a nice suprise (I only saw the first set, and then my VCR pooped out :( )