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lizchris
Jun 2nd, 2005, 03:18 PM
Saturday brings us the second of four Grand Slam finals. While last year saw two all Russian finals at the FO and the USO and a Russian winning Wimbledon, so far this year, none have advanced to a final. In addition, the only Russian to win a Tier I or a Tier II is Maria Sharapova. Yes, because of consistent play, many are in the top 20, but only one is winning top titles (Sharapova). I predicted last year that none of last year's GS winners would defend their titles (and I am 2-2 so far). I also believed that a Belgian or a Williams sister would win all the Grand Slams this year and would not be surprised if tht were to happen.

Any thoughts?

selyoink
Jun 2nd, 2005, 03:19 PM
Actually I believe Dinara Safina won a tier II if I'm not mistaken.

lizchris
Jun 2nd, 2005, 03:20 PM
Actually I believe Dinara Safina won a tier II if I'm not mistaken.

Which one?

GoDominique
Jun 2nd, 2005, 03:20 PM
Any thoughts?Yes. You are dumb.

Chunchun
Jun 2nd, 2005, 03:20 PM
I know there will be some threads of this kind come up now :rolleyes: :smash: :lol:

lizchris
Jun 2nd, 2005, 03:21 PM
Yes. You are dumb.

Well, you are an asshole, but I don't waste time posting that.

Until now.

Wojtek
Jun 2nd, 2005, 03:22 PM
Which one?

Paris

cellophane
Jun 2nd, 2005, 03:23 PM
How many times a year does this question come up? Overhypying the Russians is as silly as saying they are over.

Wojtek
Jun 2nd, 2005, 03:23 PM
I also believed that a Belgian or a Williams sister would win all the Grand Slams this year and would not be surprised if tht were to happen.

Any thoughts?

Venus Williams and Grand Slam title :lol: :lol:

dylan24
Jun 2nd, 2005, 03:23 PM
maria S will win more slams.
it will snow in hell before myskina wins another slam.
kuznetsova might get another.

Wojtek
Jun 2nd, 2005, 03:23 PM
Yes. You are dumb.

I agree with you again ;) :o

lizchris
Jun 2nd, 2005, 03:24 PM
Paris


Thank you for remining me.

Thought she won, I think it is safe to say that she was aided by Serena's withdrawl.

Maria Croft
Jun 2nd, 2005, 03:24 PM
Actually, I believe Sharapova was the first russian girl in 30 years (or something) to reach the SF in AO, now we had 2 russian woman in the Roland Garros SF again, and a lot of Russian girls have already won tournaments this year, so what you are saying is BS !!

GoDominique
Jun 2nd, 2005, 03:26 PM
Thank you for remining me.

Thought she won, I think it is safe to say that she was aided by Serena's withdrawl.
Whatever lizchris, whatever. :lol:

SJW
Jun 2nd, 2005, 03:26 PM
Venus Williams and Grand Slam title :lol: :lol:

i believe she has four.

*counts* one, two, three, four

lizchris
Jun 2nd, 2005, 03:27 PM
Actually, I believe Sharapova was the first russian girl in 30 years (or something) to reach the SF in AO, now we had 2 russian woman in the Roland Garros SF again, and a lot of Russian girls have already won tournaments this year, so what you are saying is BS !!


I am not talking about a Tier III or Tier IV.

Kim and Justine suffered a career threatning wrist injury and a energy sapping virus, but this year, they have four Tier I titles between them.

GoDominique
Jun 2nd, 2005, 03:29 PM
i believe she has four.

*counts* one, two, three, four
Wait, let me check - *counts* one, two ,three, four. Yep, last one four years ago. :)

lizchris
Jun 2nd, 2005, 03:30 PM
Wait, let me check - *counts* one, two ,three, four. Yep, last one four years ago. :)

So what?

She sitll has them, unlike almost half of current top ten.

Wojtek
Jun 2nd, 2005, 03:31 PM
i believe she has four.

*counts* one, two, three, four

I also believed that a Belgian or a Williams sister would win all the Grand Slams this year and would not be surprised if tht were to happen.


:lol: :lol: :lol:

I know i know Stambul is almost like Grand Slam and Venus will win Grand Slam this year :lol:

Maria Croft
Jun 2nd, 2005, 03:33 PM
I am not talking about a Tier III or Tier IV.

Kim and Justine suffered a career threatning wrist injury and a energy sapping virus, but this year, they have four Tier I titles between them.

so because Clijsters and Henin have 4 Tier 1's means that the russian dominance is over ??

volta
Jun 2nd, 2005, 03:33 PM
was there any Russian Dominace?!

SJW
Jun 2nd, 2005, 03:33 PM
I also believed that a Belgian or a Williams sister would win all the Grand Slams this year and would not be surprised if tht were to happen.


:lol: :lol: :lol:

I know i know Stambul is almost like Grand Slam and Venus will win Grand Slam this year :lol:

Stambul?:confused:

Wojtek
Jun 2nd, 2005, 03:33 PM
So what?

She sitll has them, unlike almost half of current top ten.

Navratilova has more then anyone. So what?

Wojtek
Jun 2nd, 2005, 03:33 PM
Stambul?:confused:

Istambul. It was in Polish

lizchris
Jun 2nd, 2005, 03:34 PM
I also believed that a Belgian or a Williams sister would win all the Grand Slams this year and would not be surprised if tht were to happen.


:lol: :lol: :lol:

I know i know Stambul is almost like Grand Slam and Venus will win Grand Slam this year :lol:


You can laugh all you want, but who won the AO this year?

*coughs* Sernea Williams

It remains to be seen who will win the other three, but I think Justine will win the FO on Saturday.

volta
Jun 2nd, 2005, 03:34 PM
Istambul. It was in Polish
Poland maybe :wavey:

lizchris
Jun 2nd, 2005, 03:34 PM
so because Clijsters and Henin have 4 Tier 1's means that the russian dominance is over ??


As good as they are supposed to be, I think they could have won at least one.

Wojtek
Jun 2nd, 2005, 03:35 PM
You can laugh all you want, but who won the AO this year?

*coughs* Sernea Williams

It remains to be seen who will win the other three, but I think Justine will win the FO on Saturday.

Williams sister- Does it mean Serena only?

lizchris
Jun 2nd, 2005, 03:35 PM
Navratilova has more then anyone. So what?


We are talking about singles titles I wasn' aware she had the most. I thougth that was Margaret Smith Court (24). Plus, she doesn't even play singles anymore.

lizchris
Jun 2nd, 2005, 03:36 PM
Williams sister- Does it mean Serena only?

No.

If Venus gets her game together (which I know you hope won't happen), I think she can win another Slam.

GoDominique
Jun 2nd, 2005, 03:37 PM
You can laugh all you want, but who won the AO this year?

*coughs* Sernea Williams

It remains to be seen who will win the other three, but I think Justine will win the FO on Saturday.
Can't remember Sernea Williams winning the Australian Open this year. :confused:

Wojtek
Jun 2nd, 2005, 03:37 PM
No.

If Venus gets her game together (which I know you hope won't happen), I think she can win another Slam.

Aha ok

GoDominique
Jun 2nd, 2005, 03:37 PM
No.

If Venus gets her game together (which I know you hope won't happen), I think she can win another Slam.Your post reads better this way. :)

Maria Croft
Jun 2nd, 2005, 03:38 PM
As good as they are supposed to be, I think they could have won at least one.

Sharapova won a Tier 1 and has been in another Tier 1 final this year

dreamgoddess099
Jun 2nd, 2005, 03:38 PM
Wait, let me check - *counts* one, two ,three, four. Yep, last one four years ago. :)Better four years ago than 3 seconds to never.

lizchris
Jun 2nd, 2005, 03:39 PM
Sharapova won a Tier 1 and has been in another Tier 1 final this year


I wasn't talking about Tokyo (I know she won there and mentioned that in my original post); I was talking about the ones Justine and Kim won.

faboozadoo15
Jun 2nd, 2005, 03:40 PM
2 unexpected russians just made it to the semifinals. imagine if the good russian glas had actually played well... :eek:
i know sharapova has it in her.
i'm pretty sure kuznetsova and elena d have it in them.
i think myskina can still get back in the saddle.

and there's oodles of others.

dreamgoddess099
Jun 2nd, 2005, 03:40 PM
was there any Russian Dominace?!
Hell no!:lol:

faboozadoo15
Jun 2nd, 2005, 03:42 PM
I wasn't talking about Tokyo (I know she won there and mentioned that in my original post); I was talking about the ones Justine and Kim won.
lamo :haha:
i'm only going to focus on what justine and kim have won because it makes my point better.

lizchris
Jun 2nd, 2005, 03:44 PM
lamo :haha:
i'm only going to focus on what justine and kim have won because it makes my point better.


Actually, I was trying to make a point, which apparently went over your head.:rolleyes:

lizchris
Jun 2nd, 2005, 03:47 PM
Look, I am not tying to get anybody mad, just trying to start a discussion. The same discussion that started when Serena lost at the FO two years ago and when Justine and Kim were off the tour due to injuries last year.

I think it is a valid point.

VivalaSeles
Jun 2nd, 2005, 03:49 PM
Look, I am not tying to get anybody mad, just trying to start a discussion. The same discussion that started when Serena lost at the FO two years ago and when Justine and Kim were off the tour due to injuries last year.

I think it is a valid point.

Are you sure you wanted to start a meaningful discussion or did you just want to gloat and show us all how your predictions were all absolutely spot on?

goldenlox
Jun 2nd, 2005, 03:49 PM
The Russians are definately not dominating in 2005.
But if a Russian wins Wimbledon, that's 4 out of 6 majors, plus the YEC.
A big "if"^

bandabou
Jun 2nd, 2005, 03:51 PM
thank god for the not so Russian Maria Sharapova, otherwise russian tennis would´ve been in real trouble.

lizchris
Jun 2nd, 2005, 03:56 PM
Are you sure you wanted to start a meaningful discussion or did you just want to gloat and show us all how your predictions were all absolutely spot on?

Yes, I did.

As I stated before, when the Williams sisters were no longer dominating, people had diarrhea of the fingers, they couldn't come to this board fast enough to talk about how they would never dominate tennis again and how good that was for the sport. When the Belgians stopped dominating in early 2004 and the Russians came, there was talk about how the Russians have finally arrived and that they would start winning a lot of top titles.

Experimentee
Jun 2nd, 2005, 03:57 PM
I dont think they were really dominating. Like I said before, domination is when you are the favourite to win Slams, and I dont think Myskina, Sharapova or Kuznetsova were the favourites, or even one of the favourites to win. Its like if Pierce wins the final on Sat and ppl say that Pierce is dominating, she is not bc she was not the favourite.

Maria Croft
Jun 2nd, 2005, 03:58 PM
I dont think they were really dominating. Like I said before, domination is when you are the favourite to win Slams, and I dont think Myskina, Sharapova or Kuznetsova were the favourites, or even one of the favourites to win. Its like if Pierce wins the final on Sat and ppl say that Pierce is dominating, she is not bc she was not the favourite.

I agree with that

Sir Stefwhit
Jun 2nd, 2005, 03:59 PM
You ask a fair question, considering the amount of hype the “Russian-Revolution” got last year. People speculated that it was a fluke having them all win last year, and others boldly proclaimed ‘Russians’ to be the new future of women’s tennis. Fast forward to the new year and we have two American in the first slam final- with familiar champ Serena adding another slam to her collection. Fast forward to where it all began last year and we have a resurgent Mary Pierce looking for her 3rd grandslam and JuJu looking to add a 4th career slam to her resume. My prediction for 2005 was that we would have NO new winners in any of the finals of the slams this year and so far, it’s just as I thought it would be. You can’t keep the best down for long, the cream of the crop always rise to the top- they respond to challenges and keep getting better. The sole exception to my expectation on the year would be Kim Clijsters, it’s only a matter of time before she wins a slam. As for the Russian, with sooooo many of them at the top they should be at an advantage, to get through by sheer numbers- but with the old guard back in action I don’t expect to see too many more all Russian slams, let alone Russian slam winners (Maria will get her share although I don’t think she’ll win a slam this year).

Paco
Jun 2nd, 2005, 04:04 PM
Maybe they didn't win AO and FO but they were in semis in quarters - it's not bad

Tennisaddict
Jun 2nd, 2005, 04:16 PM
The Russians never dominated but took the best advantage of a weakened field. No way they would have had the same 2004 with Henin and Clijsters present and Venus and Serena in-form.

ys
Jun 2nd, 2005, 04:17 PM
Over? :lol: There is always a pause between the prelude and the main part.. :)

hablo
Jun 2nd, 2005, 04:22 PM
Which one?

the one in which she beat Momo?? It was in France. . .that's all I remember! :p

hablo
Jun 2nd, 2005, 04:27 PM
I think you should have waited till after Wimbledon or maybe after the US Open to do this thread! then we can really access whether there is or was russian domination :p

bandabou
Jun 2nd, 2005, 04:27 PM
Over? :lol: There is always a pause between the prelude and the main part.. :)
Yep...I guess the pause will end when the real top players retire.

lizchris
Jun 2nd, 2005, 04:36 PM
I think you should have waited till after Wimbledon or maybe after the US Open to do this thread! then we can really access whether there is or was russian domination :p

This was the right time because this is where it started this time last year.

ys
Jun 2nd, 2005, 04:37 PM
Yep...I guess the pause will end when the real top players retire.

It will end when our teens finally mature. Kuznetsova should have won both Roland Garroses - last year and this year, being the best player in both of them.. Just could not convert when nothing depended on her opponent already. Same with Sharapova in AO semis when she had the gun at Serena's head, just could not pull the trigger.. Sharapova and Kuznetsova are only going to get better. Safina is getting her shit together. We won't be losing a defending champ due to a family tragedy at each Slam.. Sharapova will learn to play on clay, eventually. Kuznetsova's and Sharapova's slams of last year are kind of equivalents of Sampras's US Open 1990. A bit premature..

We are going to do better at Wimbledon this year than we did last year. Dementieva and Myskina won't have a post-RG hangover. Kuznetsova will know now that winning Eastbourne does not mean she does not have to try hard at W.. Sharapova will be even better than last year. The only opponent who has improved since last Wimbledon will be JHH, but on grass she is not going to be as much of a threat as she is on clay.

hablo
Jun 2nd, 2005, 04:53 PM
This was the right time because this is where it started this time last year.

Yes it started at RG but it ended at Year end championships ??? :lol: :p

this is why you should have waited a "little" longer!!!! :angel:

lizchris
Jun 2nd, 2005, 04:58 PM
The only opponent who has improved since last Wimbledon will be JHH, but on grass she is not going to be as much of a threat as she is on clay.


That isn't exactly true. This is her Wimbeldon record from 2001:

2001 - Finalist
2002 - Semifinalist
2003 - Semifinalist
2004 - Did Not Play
2005 - ?

Will she win? Who knows? She isn't a favorite, but she is definitely a threat.

VRee_Willario
Jun 2nd, 2005, 05:03 PM
was there any Russian Dominace?!
No, they just replaced the Real top players for a while

Maria got her talent from USA
that's it

ys
Jun 2nd, 2005, 05:04 PM
That isn't exactly true. This is her Wimbeldon record from 2001:

2001 - Finalist
2002 - Semifinalist
2003 - Semifinalist
2004 - Did Not Play
2005 - ?

Will she win? Who knows? She isn't a favorite, but she is definitely a threat.

She never beat Williamses or Davenport on grass.. She used to be a second tier player on grass.. But with Williamses out of picture and her alleged improvement she could be more of a threat, I agree..

Spunky83
Jun 2nd, 2005, 05:09 PM
50% of the semis were made up out of Russians...so...no;)

DemWilliamsGulls
Jun 2nd, 2005, 05:10 PM
Well I woulnd't call it dominance...they did win 3 of the grand slams in 2004, but a lot of players were out. Belguims, the Williams Sisters were not on top of their game from the long layoff (still not there yet) so they had a lot of help in winning grand slams. The only Russian I see winning agian is Sharapova....the rest are one hit wonders.

VRee_Willario
Jun 2nd, 2005, 05:12 PM
50% of the semis were made up out of Russians...so...no;)
If Elena L. gets to the Semis, it tells you a lot about the quality of this tournament. Top players playing crappy tennis, people choking and making tons of errors. It's not domination. It's taking advantage of other people's weaknesses. And dominating is that you win. I believe that it's Mary and Justine who are in the final now

Jakeev
Jun 2nd, 2005, 05:14 PM
Stambul?:confused:

MMMMmm love Rafael's biceps:drool:

lizchris
Jun 2nd, 2005, 05:51 PM
She never beat Williamses or Davenport on grass.. She used to be a second tier player on grass.. But with Williamses out of picture and her alleged improvement she could be more of a threat, I agree..


Serena is a favorite to win, but I want to see her play and what her fitness level is before I declare her the favorite. Venus is another story...

manu32
Jun 2nd, 2005, 05:52 PM
wait for wimbledon before....and don't forget last GS.......

bandabou
Jun 2nd, 2005, 05:55 PM
It will end when our teens finally mature. Kuznetsova should have won both Roland Garroses - last year and this year, being the best player in both of them.. Just could not convert when nothing depended on her opponent already. Same with Sharapova in AO semis when she had the gun at Serena's head, just could not pull the trigger.. Sharapova and Kuznetsova are only going to get better. Safina is getting her shit together. We won't be losing a defending champ due to a family tragedy at each Slam.. Sharapova will learn to play on clay, eventually. Kuznetsova's and Sharapova's slams of last year are kind of equivalents of Sampras's US Open 1990. A bit premature..

We are going to do better at Wimbledon this year than we did last year. Dementieva and Myskina won't have a post-RG hangover. Kuznetsova will know now that winning Eastbourne does not mean she does not have to try hard at W.. Sharapova will be even better than last year. The only opponent who has improved since last Wimbledon will be JHH, but on grass she is not going to be as much of a threat as she is on clay.


We´ll see....

seems like your tune is always changing. Last year it was how they were already ready to take over, now it is about it´s still a bit premature, blah blah..

Doc
Jun 2nd, 2005, 06:04 PM
Its so funny. On this board, you're only as good as your last match. :lol:

The Russians look like being the future of tennis for a long time to come. they're still learning, still improving, not yey ready to take everything. The old guard, Pierce, davenport etc, are having their last huzzah - and who is lined up to replace them?

Apart from the old guard, the only effective challengers to the Russians are Serena and the Belgian duo. And I'm not convinced any of those three can dominate long-term.

Tennisaddict
Jun 2nd, 2005, 06:10 PM
Kuznetsova is the most talented Russian player IMO who will be able to stay in the top 5 for the next seven years as her game is the best among the Russians. She just needs to get her head straight and go for the kill when she is ahead in big matches.

Sir Stefwhit
Jun 2nd, 2005, 06:16 PM
Kuznetsova is the most talented Russian player IMO who will be able to stay in the top 5 for the next seven years as her game is the best among the Russians. She just needs to get her head straight and go for the kill when she is ahead in big matches.
agree with the potential in Svetta being enourmous, but I'd rather her lack a weapon than to have her weakness be mental in a sport where 'mental toughness' is far more important than anything else. We've seen too many players with enough game, but not enough belief- that's not as easy to overcome as you may think...

fammmmedspin
Jun 2nd, 2005, 06:21 PM
logic would suggest that, if the Russian B and C team can get to the last 4 of a GS things are looking up if the Russian A team ever get back to their 2004 form.

Given that the finalists are Mary ,brilliantly demonstrating what a great player she has been since 1994 when fit, and Justine ,alternating between mediocre and overwhelming ,with a bad back, and that Maria and Lindsay and Kim and Venus and Momo all looked beatable the prospects look even rosier.

Add to that there are now even more Russians in the top 15 and the fact that the Russian top 2 of 2004 are rather good at beating them makes things look rather good for the Russian A team if they can get back even to their 2004 level.

Tennisaddict
Jun 2nd, 2005, 07:06 PM
agree with the potential in Svetta being enourmous, but I'd rather her lack a weapon than to have her weakness be mental in a sport where 'mental toughness' is far more important than anything else. We've seen too many players with enough game, but not enough belief- that's not as easy to overcome as you may think...

I know it won't be easy for Svetlana to overcome her mental weaknesses but I think she has enough time to find a solution for it. Serena and Justine had their mental problems too when they were Svetlana's age, and look at what they have become now. The two best fighters on the tour who can grind out unbelievable wins.

RenaSlam.
Jun 2nd, 2005, 08:04 PM
They never really dominated. Sure, they have great results...but lately Sharapova IS the Russian DOMINATION. Bwahahah.

DA FOREHAND
Jun 2nd, 2005, 08:43 PM
Wait, let me check - *counts* one, two ,three, four. Yep, last one four years ago. :)
Davenport hasn't won one in 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 yrs
capriati 1, 2, 3, yrs
Kim in like for-never
Amelie in like for-never
Petrova like for-never ..{quieter in drug side effects voice} "never won any title"

Myskina 1 yr
Dementieva like for-never
Patty -never


So I'd say Venus is in good company with her four slams

DA FOREHAND
Jun 2nd, 2005, 08:46 PM
I know it won't be easy for Svetlana to overcome her mental weaknesses but I think she has enough time to find a solution for it. Serena and Justine had their mental problems too when they were Svetlana's age, and look at what they have become now. The two best fighters on the tour who can grind out unbelievable wins.


Justine did, and she didn't have the weapons Sveta has at the same age.

RenaSlam.
Jun 2nd, 2005, 08:50 PM
The Russians are definately not dominating in 2005.
But if a Russian wins Wimbledon, that's 4 out of 6 majors, plus the YEC.
A big "if"^

Serena had 5 out of 6 majors at one point.

Seles had something like 8 out of the last 9 majors at one point.

Venus had 4 out of the last 6 majors at one point.

It's all relative.

pav
Jun 2nd, 2005, 09:00 PM
I haven't read all the posts in this thread butYou don't have to be bloody Dr. dickhead Phil to read American insecurity into all this worry about Russian dominance or lack of or was there ever?

bovina_forever
Jun 2nd, 2005, 09:13 PM
Actually I believe Dinara Safina won a tier II if I'm not mistaken.
Dinara Safina won two titles this year and Vera Zvonareva won Memphis.

*Karen*
Jun 2nd, 2005, 09:47 PM
I think Sharapova will win loads more titles and slams. She could probably beat Henin if it wasn't on clay

Derek.
Jun 2nd, 2005, 10:05 PM
:eek: Over? :hehehe: Why it has just begun. :devil: Sharapova and Kuznetsova are the strongest contendors for the Russians. Zvonareva even maybe. They are still young. In a year or two they will both have more than one major. ;) Maybe Myskina and Dementieva won't be a threat at every single major like Kuzni and Shara, but they can turn it on anytime. Plus there are up-and-comers like Kirilenko, Safina, Chakvetadze, Makarova, ect. :bounce:

skanky~skanketta
Jun 2nd, 2005, 10:17 PM
Saturday brings us the second of four Grand Slam finals. While last year saw two all Russian finals at the FO and the USO and a Russian winning Wimbledon, so far this year, none have advanced to a final. In addition, the only Russian to win a Tier I or a Tier II is Maria Sharapova. Yes, because of consistent play, many are in the top 20, but only one is winning top titles (Sharapova). I predicted last year that none of last year's GS winners would defend their titles (and I am 2-2 so far). I also believed that a Belgian or a Williams sister would win all the Grand Slams this year and would not be surprised if tht were to happen.

Any thoughts?

any thought? yes. i hope u are right. i hope that kim/justine claims wimbledon and Venus/Kim the USO.

.ivy.
Jun 2nd, 2005, 10:21 PM
Was there ever really Russian dominance?

I don't think it's fair to say any one group of people DOMINATED. No one's dominating now. There's too many people, with too many big shots to dominate now. Maybe, leading the pack. ;)

Jakeev
Jun 3rd, 2005, 06:05 AM
The Russians have declined in 2005 if only because they are not dominating big titles this year.

Still, in every event, you see a Russian name in nearly every quarterfinal or better and you can't say that about most Nation's right now.

Julia1968
Jun 3rd, 2005, 07:05 AM
Yes. You are dumb.

:cool:

gopher
Jun 3rd, 2005, 10:39 AM
Your statement makes sense in that three last year's Russian slams would not have happened with the presence of the Belgians or any of the Williams in shape.

Sharapova will not prolounge her title either nor will Kuznetsova.

Nevertheless the fact there are so many Russians in the top 20 makes that statistically they have a huge opportunity to prevail if the best players are not performing.

rikvanlooy
Jun 3rd, 2005, 11:27 AM
She never beat Williamses or Davenport on grass.. She used to be a second tier player on grass.. But with Williamses out of picture and her alleged improvement she could be more of a threat, I agree..

alleged ? :confused:

So, JHH hasn't improved since 2001 ? :confused: :rolleyes:

Tennisaddict
Jun 3rd, 2005, 11:38 AM
Justine did, and she didn't have the weapons Sveta has at the same age.

I thought Serena had choking problems too in 2000/2001 combined with injuries of course. Justine might not had the weapons Svetlana has at the same age but it still wouldn't have helped her if she was mentally immature which she was at 19 years old.

Anyway, it's not even about that, it's about Svetlana having the game to be in the top 5 consistently IMO, and beat top players. The only thing that's holding her back seems to be her mental weaknesses, once she overcomes them she will be a force to be reckoned with as her game is suited for all surfaces.

Volcana
Jun 3rd, 2005, 11:45 AM
a lot of Russian girls have already won tournaments this year, so what you are saying is BS !!Exactly three Russian women have won tournaments this year. Is that really 'a lot'?

twight6
Jun 3rd, 2005, 11:49 AM
:bs: Also, i think that lindsay will win wimbledon.

switz
Jun 3rd, 2005, 11:51 AM
you did really well predicting henin wouldn't defend her australian open title.

Volcana
Jun 3rd, 2005, 11:54 AM
(RUS)
Sharapova - TPP, Doha
Safina - Paris, Prague
Zvonareva - Memphis

(USA)
William, S - OZ
Davenport - Dubia, AI
Williams,V - Istanbul

(BEL)
Clijsters - Miami, IW
Henin-Hardenne - Charleston, Warsaw, Berlin

And before we start getting in 'what about finals?', Russians women have been in four other finals this year, American women five other finals. I think we can pretty safely say no country has been 'dominant, this year. But if Henin-Hardenne wins the RG final, I think you'd have to give that title to Belgium so far this year. For Tier I's and a GS.

LucasArg
Jun 3rd, 2005, 12:14 PM
There was no single Russian who dominate the tour. Last season there were 3 different Russian Grand Slam winner, so, when I talk about domination is ONE player beating everybody like Serena, Venus or Justine did in the last couple of years.

So Russian, yes, there are a lot and they are doing well as a group, good for Fed Cup...