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ruanofan
Jan 2nd, 2002, 01:49 PM
I think / hope this players are gay:

Andy Roddick (verry nice)<br />J.M. Gambill (great body)<br />Alex Calatrava (I like verry much)<br />Thomas Enqvist (a tipical sweden-man)<br />Tommy Haas (a great germann with a great body)<br />Alex Corretja (I hope only, he's married)<br />Roger Federer (it's also nice)

Any others? Incl. any pics!!!!

Andre@
Jan 2nd, 2002, 04:06 PM
I think Gaston Gaudio from Argentine

Justin
Jan 2nd, 2002, 04:26 PM
Roddick is not..... and if he was, he would be snatched up by me.

so keep your PAWS OFF! <img src="graemlins/drool.gif" border="0" alt="[Drool]" />

[ January 02, 2002: Message edited by: Justin ]</p>

CanadianBoy21
Jan 2nd, 2002, 05:01 PM
I think that Thomas Enquist, Magnus Norman, Tommy Haas are not gay.<br /><a href="http://www.rolandgarros.org/en/news/photos/imagepages/906080129b32ece485256a59004187b6.html" target="_blank">http://www.rolandgarros.org/en/news/photos/imagepages/906080129b32ece485256a59004187b6.html</a><br /> This pic is my favourite, lol

<br />On the other hand, I think that Andy Roddick, ( <img src="graemlins/lick.gif" border="0" alt="[Lick]" /> ) Gambill(by the way he is not good looking at all I think) are gay.<br />But then again, we will NEVER know.

Justin
Jan 2nd, 2002, 05:09 PM
Andy was dating Ash Harkelroad (is true she now goes by Pebbles Harkelroad?), and now some chick from some crappy WB show.

Nina_rus
Jan 2nd, 2002, 05:32 PM
Federer is definetely not gay

polishprodigy
Jan 2nd, 2002, 05:46 PM
I can tell you that besides having a name that is easy to make fun of in terms of sex, Andy Roddick is not gay. <img src="wink.gif" border="0"> And as for Jan-Michael, ok the guy wears black socks with his running shoes, but c'mon how do you guys think he is gay? <img src="confused.gif" border="0">

polishprodigy
Jan 2nd, 2002, 05:51 PM
Also, Federer is definitely not gay. He has a girlfriend and was going out with Martina Hingis (noone dare to make fun of her looks, because she may not be extremely sexy but she is pretty descent in terms of looks).

Justin
Jan 2nd, 2002, 06:02 PM
Hingis is the cutest babe of the bunch on the WTA tour.

And, I don't think JMG is hot but I do pick him up on my gaydar.

Nina_rus
Jan 2nd, 2002, 06:02 PM
yeah I think he's going out with Miroslava Vavrinec

CanadianBoy21
Jan 2nd, 2002, 06:09 PM
If you were a top 15 pro, you would use a cover up or something, all those endorsements, money($$$$$$$$$), it's not fair, but it's the truth.

As I said, we will never know, and it is none of our business, but come on, curiousity is sometimes to strong, lol<br /> <img src="biggrin.gif" border="0"> <br />top 100, at least 10 are gay(statisstically), and I doubt those 10 are ranked 90-100.

Hurley
Jan 2nd, 2002, 11:11 PM
I had the weirdest dream where I was reading an article about gay guys in pro sports. I remember Bohdan Ulihrach was one of the tennis players. I couldn't pick Bohdan Ulihrach out of a lineup.

That is what you call extreme sexual frustration. <img src="smile.gif" border="0">

Speaking as a gay man, Jan-Michael Gambill is DEFINITELY gay. I'm 100% positive. <img src="wink.gif" border="0"> I don't think Roddick is, but give him 15 minutes with me and we'll see how it goes...

Venus+Serena#1fan
Jan 2nd, 2002, 11:36 PM
how do u know jan michael is gay??

CanadianBoy21
Jan 2nd, 2002, 11:39 PM
lol at Hurley!!!!!!!!!!!!!!<br /> <img src="smile.gif" border="0"> <img src="biggrin.gif" border="0"> <img src="redface.gif" border="0">

Hurley
Jan 2nd, 2002, 11:42 PM
Ahhh, the way he walks, the way he talks, the way he gave me head the other night... <img src="wink.gif" border="0">

CanadianBoy21
Jan 2nd, 2002, 11:42 PM
Just look at him serving, and just look at him hit a backhand, tells you EVERYTHING about JMG.

IAM#1
Jan 3rd, 2002, 12:38 AM
are u sure Jan Michael is Gay?

Monica_Rules
Jan 3rd, 2002, 01:07 AM
LMAO @ hurley!

He might be gay but i doubt he'll ever come out to the public unless a George Michael situation happens <img src="eek.gif" border="0">

Scotso
Jan 3rd, 2002, 03:22 AM
Yeah I agree. J-M Gambill is definitely gay. You can just tell.

Mateo Mathieu
Jan 3rd, 2002, 03:43 AM
I also think Jan-Michael is Gay <img src="wink.gif" border="0">

Vanity
Jan 3rd, 2002, 04:03 AM
Jan-Michael has a "girlfriend" named Branden supposedly. I thought Branden was a guy's name... <img src="wink.gif" border="0"> <br />However, in men's tennis they constantly show the player's girlfriend during the match.. they've never showed any girl for J-M during his matches. Makes you wonder... <img src="wink.gif" border="0">

LucasArg
Jan 3rd, 2002, 04:22 AM
Gaston Gaudio is not gay at all <img src="cool.gif" border="0">

CanIGetAWhat
Jan 3rd, 2002, 06:02 AM
i'm not sure if Andy Roddick's gay, but Jan-Michael Gambill... <img src="wink.gif" border="0">

http://www.multimania.com/andyroddick/galerie/oceandrive3.jpg<br />Andy..mmmm mmmm mmmm <img src="graemlins/drool.gif" border="0" alt="[Drool]" />

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/siforwomen/2001/may_june/swimsuit/gambill/gambill_lg-01.jpg

Jakeev
Jan 3rd, 2002, 06:43 AM
As usual this is all speculation. I want proof!!!!!!! so does anyone know of any openly gay man that competes on tour or even in the challengers?

Vanity
Jan 3rd, 2002, 06:52 AM
I'm sure there are many gay male players out there. Alot of them choose to stay closeted because unfortunately our society is still trying to accept homosexuality. Although when Amelie Mauresmo came out, she lost none of her endoresements or anything. In fact, the companies she had endorsements with actually praised her for being brave enough to come out. I guess it's their business and they'll come out when they are ready. <img src="smile.gif" border="0">

Williams Rulez
Jan 3rd, 2002, 06:56 AM
How can you just tell that JMG is gay? Just from the way he serves and hits a backhand? How? What excatly does he do to make you think so?? <img src="confused.gif" border="0">

Vanity
Jan 3rd, 2002, 06:57 AM
Williams_Rulez: That's a very good question... <img src="confused.gif" border="0">

JonBcn
Jan 3rd, 2002, 03:52 PM
I'm hoping for Mark Phillipoussis, but wont hold my breath...

saki
Jan 3rd, 2002, 04:58 PM
Nooooooooooo! Please tell me JMG isn't gay? He's so cute... that body... <img src="graemlins/drool.gif" border="0" alt="[Drool]" />

Leave him for us girls! You can have Roddick instead!

Rollo
Jan 3rd, 2002, 05:42 PM
"Sillipossis" is fairly famous for spending years wasting his talent bonking a string of women and being a good time party boy. No way he's gay.

The one player I've heard rumours about(and I stress the word rumors)is Michael Chang. Never had a girlfriend that I know of, though the alternate explanation for him possibly being gay is he's very religious.

Guys have a lot more to lose in endorsements by coming out of the closet. Women's tennis has a "history" of lesbian acceptance, while the only famous male known as a homosexual(Bill Tilden) was arrested for corrupting young boys. Even Amelie Mauresmo is hardly raking in the big bucks in endorsements. Sex sells in tennis, but for the most part it's straight sex, and that's unlikely to change.

irma
Jan 3rd, 2002, 05:50 PM
I read in an old article I think from 96 and there they talked about Chang`s fiancee, Is he married now? just curious <img src="smile.gif" border="0">

timmbo
Jan 3rd, 2002, 06:02 PM
Guys, the thing you have to remember is when you are gay, you learn (or it may be instinct) to read people and you kinda have an idea if they are gay. Honestly, I can talk to someone and watch them and within 30 minutes I can tell you if they are gay or at least bi-sexual. My gaydar has been right most of the time. I would say over 75% of the time if I get a feeling about someone, then they are gay. Its just something you know. I think JMG is really hot, but I do get a certain feeling from him durning itnerviews, the way he walks, serves and the way he carries himself. I think that he is gay, or at least bi-sexual. <br />Andy Roddick on the other hand, no, I dont think he is.

Justin
Jan 3rd, 2002, 07:19 PM
[quote]Leave him for us girls! You can have Roddick instead!<hr></blockquote>

That's a deal <img src="wink.gif" border="0"> Too bad my gaydar agrees with timmbo. RodDick is a str8 boy. My gaydar is right most of the time- about 80%. When I am wrong, it is usully thinking a gay boy is str8- not the other way around. I guess the verdict on JMG is in.

Funny that Rollo say that about Chang. I always thought that- then I heard this talk of some model girlfriend and just paid no attention to it anymore and didn't think about it... Prob b/c he is not hot. If he was, I would investigate till the cows came home, lol.

ChrisGermany
Jan 3rd, 2002, 08:52 PM
Itīs strange how often THIS topic re-appears within a year, funny that it already re-occurrs in week1 of a season <img src="smile.gif" border="0">

In contrast to some others that openly CRITICIZE this gossip in public and, in contrast, read it as topic1 in private, Iīll be honest and say that Iīm ALWAYS interested in this category <img src="smile.gif" border="0">

Regarding the names occuring here, Tommy Haas has a girl-friend for ages and itīs only a natural thing that the cutiest boys are called gay just because they look great and every gay visitor here has his phantasies about those boys and what orgy this would be in the shower rooms of a Grand Slam

Regarding Chang, everything is said, I believe itīs religion that keeps him away from girls ; Gambill is one of those mentioned above, just too beautiful to be straight but itīs an image, not reality IMO ; Roddick is just a new guy, a kid-guy and everybody thinks that a teenage boy with teenage looks must be gay - not IMO

Wether or not MarkP is in the same category as JMG I cannot judge ; Mark always was one of those guys in the press for Pierce or Kournikova but there were never any girls on photos with him or anything

I think I can remember an article stating that 4-5 years ago 3-high-profile players were known for being gay but were protected by colleagues and ATP just for not being prejudiced or in the headlines for sexuality or anything, I think that itīs like someboy else said here that careers in menīs tennis would end if there would be a gay-scandal ; I think itīs obvious that itīs easier for a lesbian girl to survive on the tour compared to a gay man ; sadly enough but itīs a fact

To give MY personal pick here too, I think that Enquist is gay - how often he changed his hair colour and Iīve never been aware of a girl friend and he was a high-profiler 4-5 years ago so that might be one of them

I know that Carlos Moya kissed his trainer on the mouth years ago but as Carlos is famous for girls, this has to be called Latin lifestyle and itīs no proof

Hurley
Jan 3rd, 2002, 09:00 PM
I'm with Timmbo and Justin here...after a while you start to hone your gaydar and it becomes, if not 100% accurate, at least a stepping stone...

There's something about Jan-Michael...the way he gives interviews is what got me thinking that he's gay. When he speaks, his face kind of tilts to one side, and there is a lot of flashing of the eyes and his smile...it pretty much comes down to someone's interaction with others. If there seems to be more open physicality from the guy (more eye contact, touchy-feeliness, smiling and laughter), chances are you've caught a live one! <img src="smile.gif" border="0"> It's just like straight flirting, except way hotter. <img src="wink.gif" border="0">

And just look at the pics of Jan-Mike with Andy. Jan is always dressed to the nines. He wants to bonk the kid so bad. And who can blame him? <img src="biggrin.gif" border="0">

tennisfreak
Jan 3rd, 2002, 11:01 PM
I think Alex Corretja is gay, but Iīm not sure. Perhaps he has a girlfriend, I donīt know. But if I had to choose a player on tour, who is gay, I would choose him.

Jippo McScally
Jan 3rd, 2002, 11:20 PM
Um, tennisfreak, Alex C is married(to a woman!!!)!!!

Goran
Jan 4th, 2002, 01:12 AM
Roger Federer and Miroslava Vavrinec are together so he can't be too gay.

-Sonic-
Jan 4th, 2002, 01:33 AM
Everyone is always having a go at me cos in my eyes just about everyone is gay unless they are dumb, in which case I don't want them to be gay.

Celeste
Jan 4th, 2002, 01:39 AM
I love these topics! Almost as good as the WTA ones. A lingering rumor about Jim Courier exists, but like most rumors, I didn't pay much attention. But the Roland Garros championship ceremony last year made me think, you know what I mean? LOL! <img src="smile.gif" border="0">

Celeste
Jan 4th, 2002, 01:50 AM
Well, on a side note, not to offend anyone, but Alex C. was brought up in this thread. I recall chatting with a crazed Conchita fan who was obsessed with the lesbian rumors, I mean totally obsessed, though she had good Conchita knowledge and was a fan, so I miss her. Where are you? Anyway, one day her talking was really over the edge about Miss Martinez (I mean TOTAL obsession), so I decided to have a little fun....I told her I saw a Spanish newspaper article that had a picture of Conchita and Alex walking down the beach, holding hands, and "in love." He loved her body and Wimbledon results, she loved his hairy body and French Open results. Get the picture? It was a total "love" match as I called it. You wouldn't believe the story I spun, I even surprised myself. I even had an article about them sneaking around at Indian Wells for quickies! I know, a little mischief, but I mean, this woman only liked Conchita because of the lesbian rumors. I figured I'd teach her to like the person, you know what I mean? My little exercise certainly created some animated responses!

Williams Rulez
Jan 4th, 2002, 03:00 PM
So I guess that JMG is gay after all... you guys are just so sure of yourselves :)

OMG Celeste, that was a naughty thing to do :eek:

Jippo McScally
Jan 4th, 2002, 04:50 PM
Who's the bitch in the kichen, I think it's Celeste(j/k). V.Funny.
But I would find it funny if JMG wasnt gay and you were all wrong!!!

Mary Pierce
Jan 4th, 2002, 05:33 PM
I also have to agree with Hurley, Timmbo and Justin - JMG sends alarm bells on anyone's gaydar, with all those mannerisms (black socks, turning his chair to sit facing away from his opponent etc) and the interviews, he seems to me to be extremely 'aware' of everything around him (if this makes sense :cool: ) - someone who pays meticulate attention to detail.

But yeah, it is very sad that homosexual or bi-sexual players continue to be inhibited by commercial and corporate pressures etc.

<b>The mens game needs a Billie-Jean King to step up!!! ;) </b>

Williams Rulez
Jan 4th, 2002, 05:37 PM
In that case isn't Andre one? He loves to arrange his stuff so neatly. He just has to have his towel here, his bottle there. Etc. etc...

Mary Pierce
Jan 4th, 2002, 05:59 PM
Originally posted by Williams_Rulez
In that case isn't Andre one? He loves to arrange his stuff so neatly. He just has to have his towel here, his bottle there. Etc. etc...

Hi Williams_Rulez!, :)

It is a different sought of 'awareness' that I am talking about - it is hard to explain - JMG seems to have alarm bells ringing with the majority of facets that make him the person he is (i.e. the interviews, way he holds himself etc - agassi doesn't have that).

Hope that helps, but probably not hey! :D

<b>HERE'S A LITTLE SOMETHING FOR U ALL!!!</b>

http://www.gambill.freeserve.co.uk/images/jmgnew9a.jpg

Jippo McScally
Jan 4th, 2002, 06:25 PM
And Williams_Rulez, Agassi is Very suspisious I think!!!

Mary Pierce
Jan 4th, 2002, 07:22 PM
Monica rules the court is very funny! :D

supremeross
Jan 4th, 2002, 08:17 PM
When did Alex C. get married? And is it me or does it seem like women are more obsessed with sexuality than men? Women are always speculating about is he or isn't he. Is it just me who thinks this way? With me a) I generally never think in those terms and b) I only think about it when the person is obviously gay (male or female).

Cybelle Darkholme
Jan 4th, 2002, 09:01 PM
I'm sorry but I think all this gay dar crap is just crazy! I'm don't you gay guys know what being gay is all about? It's really only about one thing, being attracted to men instead of women. Now how does your gay dar see or sense that? It can't. Gaydar is just an excuse for stereotyping. OH because he talks this way or he walks that way, or he's so meticulate(whatever), it would be funny if it wasn't so sad. I mean don't you know that str8 guys stereotype gay men as being effiminate and feminine so they won't be a threat. I mean, sure, some gay guys do fit a stereotype but some str8 guys fit the stereotype(not many because even if they do they act differently so not to be perceived as gay) but they're are str8 guys who are comfortable being themselves and know who they are and don't have to put on some ultra macho front.

At any rate, gaydar is ridiculous, and even if all the players you named were gay, so what? I mean I wouldn't like them any more or less and if you seriously believe you have a shot with them if they are gay, somehow i just don't think so. That's like some girl saying oh Brad Pitt is str8 he will be mine! Please. Get a grip. Even if they're str8 or gay I would still fantasize about them because in my dreams even rupert everett is str8! :-) A girl can dream can't she?

timmbo
Jan 4th, 2002, 09:10 PM
Ok first of all, I dont think any of us in here said that we were going to have these players. After all they are millions of miles away. Second of all, you shouldnt talk about things you dont know. Are u gay? If not, then you have no clue about a gaydar now do you? Second of all if you are gay and you dont have a gaydar, then you got serious problems, coz whether you belive it or not its real. U know, its kinda funny. Most str8 guys or girls try to pretend like the gaydar isnt real coz they are afraid they will be picked up on it.

Just like millions of men of the world craze Anna K and other women, it is certainly alright for gay men to think about the guys on the ATP tour. And to get technical, ill just say this. It is my experience that most str8 men who "announce" their hetrosexulaity arent really comfortable with their own self to begin with. So, before you call anything crap, you should try walking in that person's shoes.

Aloysius
Jan 4th, 2002, 09:12 PM
LOL. I can see why some of you might think that Jan-Michael is gay. (Btw, do NOT ever call him "Jan." He prefers Jan-Michael or Jan-Mike. I once called him Jan, and even though he didn't blow up at me, he seemed annoyed. I later found out that he hated being called anything but Jan-Michael or Jan-Mike. Whoops.). I've been studying him this week at the Hopman Cup. I watched his matches against Belgium this morning and was trying to figure out why people thought he might be gay.

I summised that he seemed to fit a lot of gay stereotypes: He's unusually good-looking, he drinks diet Coke, he's incredibly meticulous, he wears stylish clothes, he loves women's tennis (adores icons such as Monica and Steffi. He noticed Monica because she played like him), he's into stereotypically feminine-associated activities such as modelling and acting, etc.

The thing is, Jan-Mike does have a girlfriend. She's with him in Perth. She doesn't follow him around as much as Kim follows Lleyton though. She's been watching his matches, sitting in the players box, usually in a row all to herself. She's the same girl who was here with Jan-Mike last year. I remembered her because she's kinda hot, but she's put on a little weight, and cut her hair.

Is she a "beard?" is what I'm wondering, because Jan-Mike hardly ever seems affectionate towards her in any particular way. He doesn't even sit next to her ("ew, girl germs," maybe? ;)), and she doesn't seem too bothered. In fact, no one even talks to her except Monica. Or maybe Jan-Mike is one of those guys who are shy about displaying affection in public. I mean, Kim and Lleyton don't exactly hug or kiss each other in public but I've seen them at least speak to each other. So what's up with Jan-Mike? He can't be that shy.

Arnaud Clement: Is he bisexual (I heard that he once dated Anne-Gaelle Sidot), or just very French? I mean, I did have that weird dream where he kept demanding me for sex (what was all that about? I didn't even give Arnaud Clement two glances before the dream), and I remembered that I kept rejecting him (Why, oh, why do even my dreams betray me?) because he seemed kinda pushy (oh, that's why). LOL. He's probably just very French.

What about the Gustavo Kuerten rumours? I've heard that he gets mad when you even suggest that he might be gay. But I'd point out that in Brazil, you are not considered gay unless you are the "receiver" during anal intercourse, or are the "giver" during oral sex. So suppose Guga is the "giver" during intercourse, or the "receiver" during oral sex. ;) LOL.

Actually, being at the Hopman Cup, I've spotted much hotter guys sitting around me, than the players themselves. And then there's this really hot and friendly bodyguard... oh, we'll leave my "Kevin Costner" moment for another time. ;)

thefreedesigner
Jan 4th, 2002, 09:17 PM
he seemed to fit a lot of gay stereotypes: .... he drinks diet coke....

O-kay....? :confused: :D LOL.

Cybelle Darkholme
Jan 4th, 2002, 09:26 PM
you know whats so funny is that if jan mike and the others mentioned here didn't fit that sterotypical image of what beauty is then this thread wouldn't be happening. It's like as if people think they're are no fat, ugly, plain looking, skinny, tacky, pimply faced gay people out there. Please. Gay people come in all shades, class, looks, and I'm sorry but you just can't turn around and say he or she is gay unless you have some concrete evidence :-) speaking of which I have concrete evidence about a certain football player who is gay but in the closet and probably won't come out until he retires.

Ps doesn't half the world drink diet coke? Hmm maybe half the world is gay.

ps another thing someone told me absolutely fabulous is a "gay" show. Really, i mean how can it be "gay" when its written by a str8 woman?

CanIGetAWhat
Jan 4th, 2002, 09:27 PM
i don't drink diet coke, does that make me a heterosexual? :confused: hehehe

Giuliano
Jan 4th, 2002, 09:39 PM
He's probably just very French. :o

Huh? What's about us french? :confused:

thefreedesigner
Jan 4th, 2002, 09:39 PM
OK, this is going slightly off-point here.

cybelledarkholmexx, you make a few good points however:

The 'obsession' with gay players is only a very light-hearted one.

Would it be churlish of me to suggest that it is in fact you, by implying that some are stereotyping gay people (which I'm not necessarily denying has gone on, I might add) who has a 'problem' with gay people. Your defensive on the matter suggests this to me.

Nobody in this thread (to my knowledge) has said or implied that homosexuality is bizarre, freaky or anything other than commenting (without prejudice in all cases I think) on what may or may not be the sexuality of certain tennis players. Of course we won't know unless said player comes out and says so.

But we (some of us anyway) are having a little fun guessing. Gosh. Fun. That world again. ;)

Basically, you seem as preoccupied with the sexuality of tennis players as the rest of (some of) us.
:confused: :rolleyes:

Also, if you cannot see the connection between straight women and gay men (you're mention of absolutely fabulous), then once again, I say....:rolleyes: :confused:

Eddieg
Jan 4th, 2002, 09:48 PM
Even though we are at the start of 2002, many gay men are still very afraid to come out. I'm not implying that any of the men mentioned here are gay, but there's still a sense that a lesbian coming out is more accepted than a gay man, at least in the states anyway. Sure we would like to see a gay tennis role model in the community, but to pressure the person into coming out as 'gay' is unacceptable.

Just because JMG might dress very well and be shy, it shouldn't be percieved that he is gay. I think many gay guys would like him to be anyway. :)

Cybelle Darkholme
Jan 4th, 2002, 09:50 PM
Hey I can be lighthearted as the next one! :-) Maybe I'm just a little miffed because in most cases its not lighthearted. Like the response, "huh, whats about us french" with the unhappy face to suggest that if the french are perceived as a gay people that its a bad thing. That's just one example. Its as if theres this theres nothing wrong with gay people as long as i'm not perceived as one of them ala tom cruise.

which maybe im reading too much into the board. I'm just defensive :-) because its hard not to be on your toes when you're a minority, any minority.

with abfab, the only connection st8women and gay men have are that both groups are attracted to men. Beyond that there is no solidarity, I mean there is hardly solidarity between str8 women among themselves and gay men among themselves. However, i must say that from what i've seen of campus political groups and community programs the lesbians seem to have their act together lol (just kidding)

thefreedesigner
Jan 4th, 2002, 09:57 PM
cybelledarkholmexx,

you say that the only connection between straight women and gay men, is that both groups are attracted to men. Well, since a hell of a lot of comedy is farcical, based around sexual embarassment. Something that the 2 groups can share (?)

In my experience (however much any of us may not like to admit, me as much as the next person), stereotypes are generally encased in a modicum of fact. That's not to generalise however (like the diet coke reference, which I still do not understand!)


But I'm neither a gay man or a straight woman so... :confused:

Giuliano
Jan 4th, 2002, 09:59 PM
Like the response, "huh, whats about us french" with the unhappy face to suggest that if the french are perceived as a gay people that its a bad thing
First of all, it's not an unhappy face but a confused face :p.

And I just want to point out that I make no difference between gay and straight people and that I've never understood why some people would make a difference and discrimination.
I was just asking what is about french because that poster (can't remember who :o) said that Clément was either bi or french so I was wondering if that was a cliché or something like that. :)

gorecki
Jan 4th, 2002, 10:04 PM
LOL @ Braveheart's post on Arnaud!

PennQuaker
Jan 5th, 2002, 12:38 AM
Aloysius, where did you hear that?

You're not considered gay in Brazil unless you are the receiver during anal sex?

Hurley
Jan 5th, 2002, 12:41 AM
Mary Pierce, I know exactly what you're talking about. (I never thought I'd be typing those words in my life. :))

Actually, let me respond to Cybelle within my response to Pierce. Cybelle...gaydar. Sigh. Okay. For me, it doesn't really work just by looking at people. I have to interact with them. You're exactly right, gay guys exist in many different flavors, and straight guys too, and girls for that matter. That's what makes the world go 'round. But when you're first meeting someone, don't you start to make assumptions about them? That's how it works. It's not always 100% accurate, but...

Pierce's conclusion that JMG seems overly "aware" of things is pretty much on the mark. It all comes down to how he reacts in conversation...I've found that gay guys love to keep repeating your name when they're talking to you. "You're so right, Steve." "I like this bar, Steve." "You left your boxers at my house, Steve." :) It's almost obsessive, the name thing. I've pegged a lot of guys with that. Add that to eye contact and smiles and the occasional "accidental" grope and you have a winner!

Maybe it's different for other people, but I'm pretty good with mine.

Messenger
Jan 5th, 2002, 02:16 AM
Celeste, I remember this crazy Conchita fan from the old WTA site's chatroom too! I used to frequent there a lot. And yes, she was completely obsessed with Conchita! She kept on saying how much she wanted Conchita and that Venus was ugly and she wanted to kill her! No one really took offense though, she was too outrageous and funny to be taken seriously! :)

She also got angry at Alex Stevenson when I told her about Alex's claims that Conchita walked around naked in the locker room. I didn't have to make THAT story up, Alex really said that!

By the way, isn't it more than just rumours that Conchita is gay? This fan told us that Conchita and her coach Patricia Tarabini were seen kissing at a European tournament in 2000. I heard it from other sources as well. If this is true then it is admirable that Conchita is not afraid to show that she is gay. Maybe she just hasn't said so officially because she (correctly) feels that she shouldn't have to.

As for Jan-Michael Gambill, I remember when he was seen together with Anna Kournikova a couple of years ago people were suggesting that she was a "fag hag" and that she only hung around gay guys because they wouldn't try to get into her pants! :)
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Mary Pierce
Jan 5th, 2002, 03:30 AM
thanks Hurley :)

I'm glad to see people are talking about these kind of issues though - and that we are civilised enough people to do it constructively, without rampant, vile posts - it's great :D

This subject isn't going to go away, it is something that needs to be talked about, discussed - in many facets, sport represents life - take for instance the movement Billie Jean King had in the 70's when she broke through the "shamertarizm" (i know that is spelt wrong! ;) ) ideals buy turning professional and then went on to campaign for prize money - EQUAL prize money. Then for athletic scholorships for women, something that was denied her.

What Billie Jean King did was revolutionary at the time, and no doubt improved the acceptance of gay people in the community, more so lesbians than homosexuals.

That is why I would love to see someone just say "you know what, stuff it, I am gay, and I'm proud of it" - we need a Martina Navratilova - she wanted to hold press conferences about being gay!!! :D :D :p

Acceptance and understanding of homosexuals in sport can only be improved and instilled in the community by the players themselves - no one else is capable, and indeed able to change this fact.

Adison
Jan 5th, 2002, 04:52 AM
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Vanity
Jan 5th, 2002, 05:34 AM
Regarding JMG... anyone with teeth like that cannot be a straight man. ;)

Celeste
Jan 5th, 2002, 06:22 AM
Well, who the hell really knows rumor from the truth? I did also hear about her kissing Pato last year at a tournament, but I didn't see it, so I really don't know. Truth be known, that chatter told me she heard about it from someone else who was a Conchita fan, and so (more mischief, sorry!), I fanned the flames by saying I heard it too, only there was some tongue exchange! Then, I added some part about a hand going into Conchita's bra, or down her panties or something I can't remember, but I don't think she bought it. I had to make her day, you know what I mean?

Lesbian rumors surround Conchita, and she says nothing, so either she is and doesn't care who knows but her private life is private (she's not exactly a trend setter), or she doesn't care. If she's straight, what is she supposed to say "I screw guys, dammit!" If someone said I was a lesbian, I'd laugh and move on. Who cares anyway, I love her game! I don't care what she does off court, I LOVE her game and spirit. In the end, if I had to bet my life on it, ok, I'd say she's a lesbian, but luckily, my life does not depend on Conchita's "true" sexuality.

stevek
Jan 5th, 2002, 06:44 AM
I was having this conversation with Wayne 2 on the old board (does anyone know what happened to him?)and he said he knew of two players on the atp tour who were gay but he wouldn't say who they were because he was protecting their privacy. Talk about keeping me in suspense!! I even offered to "trade" him some info but he was having none of it!!

About the gaydar thing, I don't know, maybe it is more in tune for some people than others, I have to admit I'm not very good at telling, but some people are.

Celeste
Jan 5th, 2002, 06:50 AM
I recall that thread, lol! Wayne2 was the coolest poster of them all, but he did tease mercilessly us with that little tid-bit. I figure he was toying with us to prove a point, or he indeed had the goods and was hinting (because of the time frame) that it was indeed Courier, but the other one, I have no clue!

Nacho
Jan 5th, 2002, 07:13 AM
Celeste, I have a question for ya... was this crazy conchifan named Ilonka? I remember I met her several times in sanexwta chat and I can tell you she was really insane! lol

Celeste
Jan 5th, 2002, 07:31 AM
Yes, it was Ilonka! With the nose. I loved her, she was so cool and we got along great. While I do recall her describing Venus as ugly, I do not remember any death threats, because I would not tolerate that. But, yes, it was Ilonka, and I liked her, she always knew a ton about Conchita and was so much fun to talk to. Sometimes I wonder about that older married woman she was in love with at work who toyed with her, and that time she slept with a man and liked it, though she told me she would never "turn straight" nonetheless. Her English grammar was too perfect to be Dutch like she claimed to be, so I think maybe she was a faker, but, who cares. She was fun! And she genuinely liked Conchita, so who can complain!

Joseosu19
Jan 5th, 2002, 07:40 AM
I have suspected JMG as being gay, but you can't always judge by the way they act...I have no clue about gaydar, but I'll trust you all when you say it works. But you can't just call someone gay because they're meticulous or because they are "hand talkers" as I like to call it...For example, I know an American Football Player who is an OL, and is a 300+ lbs guy. Knowing him personally you would never ever guess hes gay, because he acts very different from the "stereotype" gay person.

Mary Pierce
Jan 5th, 2002, 11:10 AM
Originally posted by yoshie707
Firstly ............... Jan Michael gambill is not gay ........ sorry to all the gay guys out there but he isnt ....

He has a girlfriend who has watched him at perth. He had an interview where he metioned her and they had a pic of her with his dad wtahcing him play. Just because he may act a little gay (to ur respects) doesnt mean he is gay.


lol @ yoshie707! :D

If that was the interview you saw today in between matches at the Hopman Cup, it wasn't very convincing on JMG's part - they asked who goes with him on tour, he said he dad full time, mum part-time and quickly mentioned his girlfriend - it drew my attention coz he sounded very uncomfortable when he said it and changed the subject but hey, that doesn't mean anything either - I guess it's how u interpret it! :p

I'm interested to know why u are so sure he is not? :) :p

~RedRose~
Jan 5th, 2002, 11:52 AM
As if JMG is gonna hire some girl to go around to some of his tournaments so that he can say thats my Girlfriend. He has a gf, and i believe him.

I think its disrespectful to the players saying that JMg is gay when obviously hes not.

lorenzo 123
Jan 5th, 2002, 01:13 PM
I REALLY DONT KNOW IF JMG IS GUY OR NOT. BUT HE DOES SEEM TO HAVE WEST HOLLYWOOD GAY WAYS ABOUT HIM. THE ONLY WAY TO TRULY TELL IS TO NOTICE HIM AROUND HOT GUYS. ESPECIALLY AT MALE ONLY SPOTS, LIKE THE GYM, GAMES, OR JUST HANGING OUT WITH THE BOYS. I'VE BEEN TOLD BY LOTS OF PEOPLE , THAT IM A REAL HOT DUDE. AND YES, IM BISEXUAL. I JUDGE PEOPLE ON HOW THEY RESPOND TO ME AND OTHER HOT GUYS. IF GUYS STARE AT YOU AT THE GYM THROUGH THE MIRROR, BUT WHEN YOU WALK BY, GIVE YOU NOTHING BUT SHADE, THERE'S A CHANCE EITHER THEY THINK YOU'RE HOT AND WANT TO FUCK, OR MAYBE THEY THINK YOU'RE VERY HANDSOME AND THAT'S THAT.
WHA'TS SO FUNNY THOUGH, I'VE SEEN SO MANY BOYS CHECK ME OUT AT THE GYM, THEN SEE THEM THE NEXT NIGHT WITH THEIR GIRLS. EVERYONE LIKE HOT BOYS, EVEN SO CALLED STRAIGHT BOYS. I HAD THIS ONE BOY TELL ME HOW HOT HE THOUGHT I WAS, BUT HE WAS STRAIGHT. GUYS PLAY SO MANY GAMES. THE HOTTER THE GUY IS, THE MORE GAMES HE PLAYS. JUST LIKE FINE GIRLS. I BET EVERY PRETTY BOY CAN TELL YOU A STORY. IF YOU REALLY WANT TO KNOW IF JMG IS GAY OR NOT? JUST ASK ANDY RODDICK, OR PAT RAFTER. HOT BOYS CAN JUST TELL. USUALLY. MEN TEND TO FLIRT WITH GOODLOOKING BOYS VERSES NOT SO ATTRACTIVE MEN.

Aloysius
Jan 5th, 2002, 10:02 PM
Um, first of all, I wasn't saying that it makes you gay if you do all those things, like the drinking of diet Coke. I was saying that they were stereotypes usually associated with being gay. I also did think that Jan-Mike was probably straight. But I also considered that he also may not be because of his unwillingness to even sit next to or talk to the girl who was allegedly his girlfriend. It just seems odd that he wouldn't do either of those things even when she was right there.

I mean, I always saw Kim and Lleyton sitting next to each other whenever they could, especially when watching Alicia Molik's matches for the two Australia ties. I understand that Jan-Mike might be a private person and might not want to display his private life openly in public, but it raises some questions for me when he cannot even speak to his supposed girlfriend when she's right there in front of him. Something's up. It's like he doesn't even know her. His dad acted like he didn't know her either. That, or they are both very rude. I feel so sorry for the girl that the only person who would speak to her the entire time she was there was Monica, someone who is probably no more than an acquaintance to her. How awful to be ignored.

I'm tired of Jan-Mike anyway. It's possible that he could be an alien. Pay phones aren't as accessible as they used to be, you know. ;)

PennQuaker, my maths teacher in high school told us about that in class one day. Strange way to learn it, but he mentioned it. Brazilians don't consider a man to be gay unless he is the receiver while having anal intercourse. He also said that many men have wives but still fool around with other men on the side. But because they only "give" to other men and still come home to their wives, that it's deemed acceptable by Brazilian society. Queer but true.

And all I'm saying about Guga is that it's possible, given the unusual attitude towards homosexuality in Brazil, that he may have had male-male relations before, not that he actually has. I wouldn't know that, short of asking Guga himself.

Re: The Arnaud Clement thing. I just meant that the French are perceived as passionate and animated people (not that all French people are like this, but that some are), which was how Arnaud seemed to me while he was in Perth. I didn't mean that French people were all gay or anything. Maybe it's another one of those Franco-British grudge things. I mean, the Brits get that line too. ("He's not gay, he's just British.") Maybe that's how the saying started. That's honestly how I heard it the first time.

spotsyboy
Jan 6th, 2002, 04:22 AM
After watching Jan-Michael for a few years now, I can honestly say that if he ISNT gay, then I'll personally revoke my gay membership card :-)
It's almost impossible to really know about the rest but you can be sure that they're there somewhere. Just as with practically every other profession with that sort of visibility, (actors/musicians, etc) the media and the sponsors go to great lengths to assure that the people they represent are "covered" as well as possible. It's unfortunately, but it's simply how the system works.
Worse yet, some of the people enforcing the "closeting" are they themselves gay.
Read ANYTHING by Michaelangelo Signorile to get the true story behind all of this craziness.
The hardest part of all is that by "enforcing" visible stars to stay closteted, it makes it even HARDER for regular people to come out. but enough of my rambling.... :-)
I have a wish list of who i WISH were gay of course (Federer, Malisse, either Rochus brother...etc...) but as for the rest, a boy can only dream....

Hurley
Jan 6th, 2002, 04:30 AM
LOL...so Jan-Mike has a beard. Most of us have, at one point. :)

Seriously, I am pretty sure that JMG is gay, but he may not be. If, however, we don't accost the players, we should be allowed to speculate. It doesn't hurt the players' feelings. Jan-Mike doesn't spend his entire day reading this board, and if he does...if he's secure with however he is, it won't bother him.

Spotsyboy, F-burg, eh? I'm down at MWC often; one of my best friends goes there. Fun times, good school, nice town. Lots of beer. :)

Hurley
Jan 6th, 2002, 04:32 AM
Of COURSE I started a new page. :o

Messenger
Jan 6th, 2002, 12:46 PM
Yes Ilonka, that's the name! I had forgotten. Has anyone seen her recently? I think I only met her once but she sure was fun to talk to. Is the chatroom from the official WTA site still there?

I saw the JMG interview too, and had the same opinion about the way he mentioned his girlfriend. I guess everyone has their opinion, but he is too ambiguous for anyone to say that he is obviously straight!

And damn you people have corrupted me!! Now when I watch Gambill on TV I find it hard not to be amused by his every move... and during the Hopman Cup final when the commentator said that Arantxa had "good radar" I couldn't help but laugh! :)


Of course, I remember that another player where there has been a lot of speculation on is Henin. Of course most of it occured when she first appeared on the tour, before most of us knew that she had a boyfriend. I'm interested to know whether anyone still thinks that she is gay now that we all know that she has a fiancé...(His name is Yves isn't it?)

Someone mentioned the statistics here. Well, if there are 10 gay men on the ATP then there should be the same number of women on the WTA. Counting Conchita and Amelie, that's 8 missing in the top 100... and yeah, I'm pretty sure they aren't ranked 92-100.


Does anyone remember that Tauziat said that there were 2 lesbians in the top 10 in her book? That was in early 2000 and there was a lot of speculation! (I think Amelie was not in the top 10 when the book came out.) We had a lot of amusing variations on who the lesbians were.... Seles and Tauziat was my favourite, ROFL! :D

You gotta love her though, you could always count on her to cause some controversy. Kept things interesting, how can anyone replace her now?


And on another related subject, was there any resolution to the rumours that Amelie has a new girlfriend named Pasqual or something? (I remember someone even suggesting that it might be Virginia Ruano-Pascual).

thefreedesigner
Jan 6th, 2002, 02:16 PM
..Well I can certainly speculate on one Top 20 WTA player (closer to the #10 than #20) ;)

Williams Rulez
Jan 6th, 2002, 04:19 PM
And who would that be? Tauziat? :o

irma
Jan 6th, 2002, 04:22 PM
I read on a Monicaboard that Monica lives together with her personal trainer Lisa Reed, that doesn`t say that they have a relationship but it is possible.

turt
Jan 6th, 2002, 04:37 PM
Justine's fiancé is named Pierre-Yves

Justin
Jan 6th, 2002, 08:59 PM
When Nat wrote her book, Amelie and Conchita were in the top-10.

Aloysius
Jan 6th, 2002, 10:34 PM
Ergh, I hasten to mention his name again, but was wondering that if Gambill should happen to be gay, what his family thinks about it, especially his dad or his bro, Torrey. They seem like a close family. It'd be interesting to know how they feel about all the talk.

Another thing I considered was, if Gambill were gay, why would he allow himself to be pushed into the spotlight knowing full well that his every move would be probed and under such high scrutiny?

And if he's gay, is he celibate? No other men seem to be around him apart from his dad and his brother. I know he was friendly with Olivier Rochus last year and that they practiced together. Apart from Ollie though, he didn't mingle with any of the other male players. I assume it's a competitive thing.

He's asexual to me. Like I said, he's probably an alien. ;)

Hmm, what about Adrian Voinea or Raemon Sluiter? There was talk about them a fair while ago.

~RedRose~
Jan 7th, 2002, 04:34 AM
Williams_Rullez i like your Avatar .......... but it looks like the sisters are lesbians!!!!!!!! WOW!!!!!!!!!

Oh Venus i love your serve ......... oh serena ......... give me some ground strokes YEAH!!!!!!!!

hehe sorry!!!!

CanadianBoy21
Jan 7th, 2002, 10:09 AM
Well both Venus and Serena have b/f, so that leaves them out of this discussion :)


Personally, I believe Gambills gay, but who knows except him...and except some other very VERY close people to him...LIKE Andy Roddick...aren't they like best friends or something?
I remember they used to play doubles together...right?
But they always used to lose, is it maybe because Gambill was to distracted when he saw Andy bent over before he was about to serve, or Andy to distrected when he was about to retun, seeing Gambill, or was it those hand signals the doubles players usually give, was it sometimes confusing what Andy/Gambill really meant when they pointed behind their back a kind of signal...
Is it true that about 1 of 10 people are gay, and 10 of 100...
As I said before, it won't be 90-100...
I think the only person that knows it's them, but it's fun doing a little investigating...
If I saw Andy and Gambill talk to each other, I would know just by the way they would like at each other, anybody would...
soooo?
Are they still playing doubles, or did the relationship not last, oh wait I meant Partnership...?????

CanadianBoy21
Jan 8th, 2002, 08:05 AM
by the way, I tihnk they stopped playing doubles together.

Rubylips
Jan 8th, 2002, 07:22 PM
Timmbo my gay friends say the same thing.:cool:

timmbo
Jan 8th, 2002, 07:30 PM
Hi Rubylips:) Im glad that im not the only one then. lol

V.Melb
Jan 9th, 2002, 03:24 AM
oh, what a load of crap!

All the horny, dreamy gay guys on this board have picked the guy they perceive to be the best looking and screamed ''gay''!!! ;)
In the vain hope that they are actually right!
I doubt very much that Jan-Micheal is gay .... or Roddick,Safin,Haas.....etc ..... please ..... don't they all have girls freinds? ..... you guys are really digging into this notion that your dream guy on the tour is gay!!! :P ;)

----wake up ;) :)

CanadianBoy21
Jan 9th, 2002, 04:14 AM
I don't think either Safin or Haas are.