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Julia1968
May 1st, 2005, 08:50 PM
Kim and Justine have dominated the tour the past few weeks: on hardcourt and clay.

What preparations are necessary to be away from competitive tennis so long, then comeback to immediately dominate????

alexusjonesfan
May 1st, 2005, 08:52 PM
through their catwalk draws

seriously people, it's not that hard to spell :tape:

jimbo mack
May 1st, 2005, 08:52 PM
i know, they've just seemed to have picked up where they left off lol

like nothings ever happened

gopher
May 1st, 2005, 08:53 PM
Just by being better than the superpowers

starr
May 1st, 2005, 08:54 PM
agggghhhh that hurts my eyes. Please edit it to "Belgians" Even it it was some sort of sick joke.

kabuki
May 1st, 2005, 08:54 PM
I think it helps that they both were able to practice all their shots while out, with the exception of Kim's two-hander. Easier than say, a back injury, shoulder injury, etc. But most importantly, they are two of the best athletes in the game, and have impeccable technique.

SJW
May 1st, 2005, 08:55 PM
i hope you're smart enough to know the difference between Belgium (a country) and Belgian (the name given to the inhabitants)

Julia1968
May 1st, 2005, 08:55 PM
agggghhhh that hurts my eyes. Please edit it to "Belgians" Even it it was some sort of sick joke.

Okay, Starr :D

Berlin_Calling
May 1st, 2005, 08:56 PM
they're just that good.

!!!--Duiz™--!!!
May 1st, 2005, 08:56 PM
Who ever said the Russians are off... Maria is just back... beware.... this will be very horrible...

Daniel
May 1st, 2005, 08:57 PM
Because they both are talented.

Julia1968
May 1st, 2005, 08:57 PM
I think it helps that they both were able to practice all their shots while out, with the exception of Kim's two-hander. Easier than say, a back injury, shoulder injury, etc. But most importantly, they are two of the best athletes in the game, and have impeccable technique.

I'm thinking more in terms of their mental games. How does a player stay away that long and return to believe they can win so soon, and actually win????

Julia1968
May 1st, 2005, 08:58 PM
Who ever said the Russians are off... Maria is just back... beware.... this will be very horrible...

I never said the Russians are off. However, Maria did suffer a loss to Kim during this period.

CoryAnnAvants#1
May 1st, 2005, 08:59 PM
I think it's the fact that they actually took their time in coming back. A lot of people rush back into competiton the second they feel the slightest bit better. Kim and Justine probably could've come back a month or so before they actually did, but they took the time to make sure they were in great shape and that their shots were grooved. They didn't want to just feel their way back into things, which is smart IMO.

jimbo mack
May 1st, 2005, 09:00 PM
Who ever said the Russians are off... Maria is just back... beware.... this will be very horrible...

please.....justine and kim are way better than maria. maria's all one dimensional, just bash the ball and hope it lands in

starr
May 1st, 2005, 09:00 PM
I think it helps that they both were able to practice all their shots while out, with the exception of Kim's two-hander. Easier than say, a back injury, shoulder injury, etc. But most importantly, they are two of the best athletes in the game, and have impeccable technique.

Uhhhhhh.... There it is again. Kim wasn't alowed to do anything but ride a stationary bike following her surgery. She didnt' pick up a racket until January and then started playing in February. She wasnt' allowed even to run because the doctors were very strict saying that any jarring to the wrist could cause damage. She had to absolutely baby her wrist.

But, I've seen this misinformation repeated over and over on this board. :confused:

jimbo mack
May 1st, 2005, 09:01 PM
I never said the Russians are off. However, Maria did suffer a loss to Kim during this period.

i think its because they missed it so much and it made them realise how much they want to do be out there and win again

hence the results

SJW
May 1st, 2005, 09:02 PM
Who ever said the Russians are off... Maria is just back... beware.... this will be very horrible...

what will? :confused:

should be very interesting. Maria vs Henin on clay. i cant wait. hope they face off in Berlin :D

starr
May 1st, 2005, 09:02 PM
I think it's the fact that they actually took their time in coming back. A lot of people rush back into competiton the second they feel the slightest bit better. Kim and Justine probably could've come back a month or so before they actually did, but they took the time to make sure they were in great shape and that their shots were grooved. They didn't want to just feel their way back into things, which is smart IMO.

As I said previously, Kim didnt' pick up a racket to practice until January. I don't think she could have come back a month earlier.

Julia1968
May 1st, 2005, 09:06 PM
through their catwalk draws

seriously people, it's not that hard to spell :tape:

Catwalk draws???

They've beaten many in the top ten to win.

Justineladivine
May 1st, 2005, 09:26 PM
Catwalk draws???

They've beaten many in the top ten to win.

Viggen is kidding he's a huge Justine fan.
Yest they're both fabulous athletes, highly talented players and hard workers. Emulation or rivalry, whatever you want to call it, has also been a huge factor in Kim's and Justine's careers as many GM posters have aptly pointed out. In other terms when Kim pulls off something big Justine wants to do the same and vice-versa...

Dana Marcy
May 1st, 2005, 09:28 PM
Kim and Justine have dominated the tour the past few weeks: on hardcourt and clay.

What preparations are necessary to be away from competitive tennis so long, then comeback to immediately dominate????

It's true about the last few weeks but what happens if they lose early in these final weeks leading up to Roland Garros? :shrug:

Brooks.
May 1st, 2005, 09:35 PM
I'm thinking more in terms of their mental games. How does a player stay away that long and return to believe they can win so soon, and actually win????

well we'll see if they win any slams this year and then we can see if they have truely picked up where they left off k jules ;) .......because i know of a player who made 2 Qf, Final,Win in her last four grand slams since knee surgery.....it will interesting to see if either of the belgians can match that :kiss:

faste5683
May 1st, 2005, 09:39 PM
Praying to Voo-doo Gods and bribing WTA officials ahead of time?

Seriously, they're both great players, but both had some lucky
breaks along the way. Let's not lose what's left of our minds over
this...

:wavey:

Wannabeknowitall
May 1st, 2005, 09:45 PM
Clijsters has had catwalk draws. The draws at Indian Wells and Miami were made for Mauresmo to falter somewhere and for Clijsters to take over that part of the draw. Clijsters then played people who could be considered her bitches. Lindsay has now lost 6 straight matches to Clijsters. Dementieva has only won one match against Clijsters out of 8 tries. Myskina was crushed by Clijsters at the 2004 AO. Clijsters came back from her wrist injury and crushed her again at Miami. Sharapova just doesn't have answers to Clijster's game yet. Kuznetsova is really one of the few people in the top 15 other than the Williams sisters and Henin-Hardenne who really has the game to beat Clijsters.

Henin-Hardenne on the other hand has not had an easy draw. She beat a top 10 player in her first tournament of the year in Molik. She didn't have the answers to beat Sharapova yet. She was a little bit off on her return game and serve and that was enough for Sharapova to take the match. Henin-Hardenne struggled through Charleston. Two players had her on the ropes and could not pull off the upset. Lindsay retiring against her helped her out as well. Dementieva's record against the Belgians went to 2-14 after Charleston. Henin-Hardenne played more consistent at Warsaw but still struggled. The inconsistent play of Kuznetsova gave her the tournament.

Kim and Justine both still have an intimidation factor on their side. Justine has had to work a lot harder for her tournament wins then Clijsters did though. Justine played a lot of players who gave her fits because of their consistent groundstrokes while Kim played players who she usually is able to outplay.

They're not dominating yet. Everyone is playing shitty. Kuznetsova has been inconsistent. This was her first final of the year. Myskina has been off her game as well. She's missing the winners that she made a year ago to win the FO. Lindsay's body starts to ache once she sees a Belgian on the other side of the net. Dementieva can't outhit or outrun the Belgians so she loses. Molik has an inner ear infection. Capriati is trying to come back from an injury. Venus is playing like she's one big injury. Sharapova will find a way to beat Clijsters but not until she plays the whole court and moves better. Mauresmo is a mental wreck when it comes to the Belgians.

Spunky83
May 1st, 2005, 10:25 PM
Greatness just doesn´t vanish that easily

Stamp Paid
May 1st, 2005, 10:40 PM
Because they are elite talent, in a field of great pretenders.

Stamp Paid
May 1st, 2005, 10:43 PM
I thought it was cakewalk, not catwalk. :scratch:

kosmikgroove
May 1st, 2005, 11:13 PM
I thought it was cakewalk, not catwalk. :scratch:

it's a catwalk for Serena but a cakewalk for everyone else ;)

smarties
May 1st, 2005, 11:13 PM
I think their superior mental strength and experience have made the difference

Cris Senior
May 1st, 2005, 11:14 PM
It's true about the last few weeks but what happens if they lose early in these final weeks leading up to Roland Garros? :shrug:
Well name a few who could be capable of performing such gigantic feast against Justine or Kim.Wish you good luck in writing up the list.
Also,what is this piece of wisdom of quoting the L Word.Is this the highest culture you can get to? And that final phrase about "don't devalue my own experience",it sounds so self-referential,so ego excessive:ME,ME,ME..please give us a break!Who cares really!
Cris Senior

Rub
May 2nd, 2005, 12:56 AM
they are relly harworkers and very talented...

Greenout
May 2nd, 2005, 01:41 AM
Sure there were some bits of luck here and there for the draws; but
it's not every week when people out of the blue enter a tournament
go QF and follow up the next with two straight titles in a Tier 1 or
Tier 2. Look how many people are on the tour that have
never done did this who are playing some of the best tennis
in their careers.

It's talent; but you have to give it to Justine and Kim to play
for tennis passion. They never chased the exhibition dollar tours
around the world- if there's an event it's for the locals at home
on a holiday. They waited until things felt better for themselves,
gave up the money, the rankings, and the fame. How many top
players would really stay out as long as they did w/out letting
everything get to them?

Their success is as much about talent as individual character, and
a total unpretentious attitude to what a tennis player is. They're
winning because this is what they do, and this is their life. Tennis
is more than simply cashing in the checks, and they take pride in
being the best.

shap_half
May 2nd, 2005, 02:03 AM
4 of out the 5tournaments a Belgian (speaking of course of only kim and justine) was entered in was won by a Belgian. I think it's fabulous.

It's hard enough to win titles, but to win 2 straight out the gates of being sidelined is amazing. I just hope that they continue to do as well as they've been doing over the past month.

Congratulations and Good Luck to both!

Zippy
May 2nd, 2005, 02:16 AM
How Did The Belgians Turn Their Comeback Into Dominance???

Because prior to their injuries they were THE BEST in the World. Some will argue, but I believe most will realise what I'm about to say is true. After their injuries in early 2004, the quality of the Tour went DOWN. Before they (Kim/ Justine) left, they were a notch above the rest. This is why between themselves they won almost everything they entered. It was them two, and then everyone else. Notice once they left, different players were winning all different types of tournaments. No one was DOMINATING, not even close.

So being that they left as the 2 best in the world, combined with the decline in the overall level or quality of the Tour equates to the reason why they have returned with such great success so quickly.
:wavey:

JenFan75
May 2nd, 2005, 02:30 AM
Kim seems like she's playing even better than before she got injured, she probably trained her ass off before she played Indian Wells. Justine has just had easy draws. She wouldn't have even won Charleston if Davenport wasn't injured and Kuznetsova is a horrid player.

azmad_88
May 2nd, 2005, 02:32 AM
Indian Wells and Miami are both high class tournaments
compared to charleton and warsaw

alexusjonesfan
May 2nd, 2005, 02:34 AM
Let's not lose what's left of our minds over
this...



No! I shall bitch and complain until it's all gone :p

shap_half
May 2nd, 2005, 02:56 AM
Indian Wells and Miami are both high class tournaments
compared to charleton and warsaw

Get over it.

shap_half
May 2nd, 2005, 02:57 AM
Kim seems like she's playing even better than before she got injured, she probably trained her ass off before she played Indian Wells. Justine has just had easy draws. She wouldn't have even won Charleston if Davenport wasn't injured and Kuznetsova is a horrid player.

Get over it.

Infiniti2001
May 2nd, 2005, 03:00 AM
Kim seems like she's playing even better than before she got injured, she probably trained her ass off before she played Indian Wells. Justine has just had easy draws. She wouldn't have even won Charleston if Davenport wasn't injured and Kuznetsova is a horrid player.

For the first time I actually agree with you :eek: A friend just reminded me that Venus won the same 2 tournaments beating pretty much the same players with the exception of Lindsay last year... Of course no one thought she was dominating :rolleyes:

shap_half
May 2nd, 2005, 03:05 AM
Note all these easy draws that Justine is getting. She is third on the list of Top 20 wins this year just behind Kim and Lindsay. She is however 2nd after Kim on the list of Top 10 wins this year. Of course that doesn't matter at all.

faboozadoo15
May 2nd, 2005, 03:08 AM
kim is winning because she hasn't played any grand slams, and justine is winning because she is sublimely talented and maybe caught a few ladies on an off day (i really don't know... but from reports from some of her matches her opponents were :retard: )

jk abt the kim thing. it's because she was never really away from tennis completely. she could always practice. even at the us open in front of crowds she was practicing her forehand, her serve (which has looked really good) and her slice backhands which is something she has developed. it's also forced consistency on her forehand (the side that used to go off) and her backhand doesn't have so much pressure on it because the forehand is more consistent.

LUIS9
May 2nd, 2005, 03:09 AM
Because they are elite talent, in a field of great pretenders.

Precisely and, and for those who say Clijsters has had easier draws than Henin, lately it was because she was ranked higher than Henin for her last two tournaments. At any rate, wheter they won with easy draws or not, they're still winning, why havent the others won since the draws are so easy and everyone is playing like crap?

Angel_Mars
May 2nd, 2005, 03:24 AM
Kim and Justine have dominated the tour the past few weeks: on hardcourt and clay.

What preparations are necessary to be away from competitive tennis so long, then comeback to immediately dominate????


When Juju left the game she was dominant, they both are extremely talented, and both maintain a strong desire to compete and they love the game and give it the lion's share of their attention to their sport. So I guess the simple answer is : Talent, Desire, Hard work, and the hard work is the preparations................

Veegeta
May 2nd, 2005, 03:36 AM
I would say neither is feeling any effect from their injuries Kim is simply playing awesome tennis her ability to be everywhere on the court and make clean shots is amazing. JHH will do anything to be the best so if her talent isn't working for her she seems to win off of determination and tenacity I just hope she's learned from her mistakes and don’t overdue it.

LUIS9
May 2nd, 2005, 03:48 AM
I would say neither is feeling any effect from their injuries Kim is simply playing awesome tennis her ability to be everywhere on the court and make clean shots is amazing. JHH will do anything to be the best so if her talent isn't working for her she seems to win off of determination and tenacity I just hope she's learned from her mistakes and don’t overdue it.

Very well said!:yeah:

Fingon
May 2nd, 2005, 04:01 AM
Indian Wells and Miami are both high class tournaments
compared to charleton and warsaw

and compared to Roland Garros, the US Open and the Australian Open :tape:

Fingon
May 2nd, 2005, 04:03 AM
Kim seems like she's playing even better than before she got injured, she probably trained her ass off before she played Indian Wells. Justine has just had easy draws. She wouldn't have even won Charleston if Davenport wasn't injured and Kuznetsova is a horrid player.

coming from the same poster who said Dechy has a chance at the FO, this "assessment" is not to be taken very seriously is it?

zuluagafan
May 2nd, 2005, 04:12 AM
play good? :cuckoo: no jk

i guess just staying the best shape possible outside of court lifting weights running bycicling

moby
May 2nd, 2005, 04:13 AM
For the first time I actually agree with you :eek: A friend just reminded me that Venus won the same 2 tournaments beating pretty much the same players with the exception of Lindsay last year... Of course no one thought she was dominating :rolleyes:

Justine's beaten Lindsay (no. 1), Dementieva (no. 5) and Sveta (no. 7) while Venus beat no Top Ten players last year. Oh, add that to Justine's win over Alicia (no. 8) at Miami.

Kim seems like she's playing even better than before she got injured, she probably trained her ass off before she played Indian Wells. Justine has just had easy draws. She wouldn't have even won Charleston if Davenport wasn't injured and Kuznetsova is a horrid player.

The horrid player just beat the player who's playing even better than before she got injured and lost to the player who wouldn't have won Charleston if Davenport wasn't injured. :tape:

Fingon
May 2nd, 2005, 05:04 AM
Kim seems like she's playing even better than before she got injured, she probably trained her ass off before she played Indian Wells. Justine has just had easy draws. She wouldn't have even won Charleston if Davenport wasn't injured and Kuznetsova is a horrid player.

the 75 in your user name is your iq, right?

Rub
May 2nd, 2005, 05:21 AM
the 75 in your user name is your iq, right?

:lol: clever... :lol:

JenFan75
May 2nd, 2005, 05:53 AM
coming from the same poster who said Dechy has a chance at the FO, this "assessment" is not to be taken very seriously is it?

I do believe I said Dechy has the best chance of all the French women, but I could be mistaken.

JenFan75
May 2nd, 2005, 05:54 AM
the 75 in your user name is your iq, right?


Couldn't you have said that the first time you quoted me?

Martian KC
May 2nd, 2005, 06:00 AM
Haters/trolls<33333333333333333333

dukeblue5
May 2nd, 2005, 06:16 AM
Clijsters has had catwalk draws. The draws at Indian Wells and Miami were made for Mauresmo to falter somewhere and for Clijsters to take over that part of the draw. Clijsters then played people who could be considered her bitches. Lindsay has now lost 6 straight matches to Clijsters. Dementieva has only won one match against Clijsters out of 8 tries. Myskina was crushed by Clijsters at the 2004 AO. Clijsters came back from her wrist injury and crushed her again at Miami. Sharapova just doesn't have answers to Clijster's game yet. Kuznetsova is really one of the few people in the top 15 other than the Williams sisters and Henin-Hardenne who really has the game to beat Clijsters.

Henin-Hardenne on the other hand has not had an easy draw. She beat a top 10 player in her first tournament of the year in Molik. She didn't have the answers to beat Sharapova yet. She was a little bit off on her return game and serve and that was enough for Sharapova to take the match. Henin-Hardenne struggled through Charleston. Two players had her on the ropes and could not pull off the upset. Lindsay retiring against her helped her out as well. Dementieva's record against the Belgians went to 2-14 after Charleston. Henin-Hardenne played more consistent at Warsaw but still struggled. The inconsistent play of Kuznetsova gave her the tournament.

Kim and Justine both still have an intimidation factor on their side. Justine has had to work a lot harder for her tournament wins then Clijsters did though. Justine played a lot of players who gave her fits because of their consistent groundstrokes while Kim played players who she usually is able to outplay.

They're not dominating yet. Everyone is playing shitty. Kuznetsova has been inconsistent. This was her first final of the year. Myskina has been off her game as well. She's missing the winners that she made a year ago to win the FO. Lindsay's body starts to ache once she sees a Belgian on the other side of the net. Dementieva can't outhit or outrun the Belgians so she loses. Molik has an inner ear infection. Capriati is trying to come back from an injury. Venus is playing like she's one big injury. Sharapova will find a way to beat Clijsters but not until she plays the whole court and moves better. Mauresmo is a mental wreck when it comes to the Belgians.

How is it that when Clijsters plays Davenport and Dementieva, they're cakewalk matches but when Henin-Hardenne does, they're tough? :confused:

They both had to beat high quality players to win their tournaments, credit to Clijsters though for winning 7 matches in a tourney, twice.

~|Naomi|~
May 2nd, 2005, 06:20 AM
People who don't like Kim or JHH or both are always going to come up with the excuse that they had easy draws when in reality they didn't which is shown by where they are ranked in terms of wins over top 10 and 20 players this year, they are both right up there. It makes them feel better to think that Kim or JHH only won cause it was an easy draw, they don't like to think they won the tournament because they played the best tennis of anyone who turned up.


I find it rather funny when people suggest Kim's Miami draw was a cakewalk

R 1 Kloesel
R2 Frazier (24)
R3 Dechy (12) - AO semi finalist
R4 Myskina (5) - RG Champion
QF - Dementieva (4) 2 x GS Runner Up & Top 5
SF - Mauresmo (1) - Was playing to take the number 1 ranking.
F Maria (2) - Wimbledon Champion


Oh yes that is just such a cakewalk for a player in her 3rd event since injury. Unseeded Kim played a seed in every round (except round 1 which she couldn't ahve anyway) & took out the two top seeds plus 4 & 5, all without losing a set!

Yasmine
May 2nd, 2005, 06:28 AM
R 1 Kloesel
R2 Frazier (24)
R3 Dechy (12) - AO semi finalist
R4 Myskina (5) - RG Champion
QF - Dementieva (4) 2 x GS Runner Up & Top 5
SF - Mauresmo (1) - Was playing to take the number 1 ranking.
F Maria (2) - Wimbledon Champion
Glad you reminded everyone here of the draws! I'm not sure many players would like to have an easy draw that would look like the one you described!!! :devil: :rolleyes:

Brαm
May 2nd, 2005, 07:24 AM
For the first time I actually agree with you :eek: A friend just reminded me that Venus won the same 2 tournaments beating pretty much the same players with the exception of Lindsay last year... Of course no one thought she was dominating :rolleyes:
Kim has beaten Petrova (12), Dementieva (5), Davenport (1), Dechy (14), Myskina (6), Dementieva (5), Mauresmo (2), Sharapova (3) and Bovina (14).

Justine has beaten Molik (8), Jankovic (20), Davenport (1) <yes, I know she retired>, Dementieva (5), Schnyder (13) and Kuznetsova (7).

Easy draws? :lol: :bs:

syd
May 2nd, 2005, 07:41 AM
I like the belgian’s dominance, hope it’s gonna continue a long time!!!!
Allez Justine & Come on Kim, Continue to show u’re back.

azmad_88
May 2nd, 2005, 07:44 AM
Oh God..kim had the toughest draw ever in Miami 2005..
can u find any other tournament had a tougher one than thaTT in 2005??
go and find please...
i think both belgians rockssss

syd
May 2nd, 2005, 07:56 AM
can u find any other tournament had a tougher one than thaTT in 2005??
agree, she beats all top players including 2 GS winners of 2004 !

rikvanlooy
May 2nd, 2005, 11:00 AM
Kim has beaten Petrova (12), Dementieva (5), Davenport (1), Dechy (14), Myskina (6), Dementieva (5), Mauresmo (2), Sharapova (3) and Bovina (14).

Justine has beaten Molik (8), Jankovic (20), Davenport (1) <yes, I know she retired>, Dementieva (5), Schnyder (13) and Kuznetsova (7).

Easy draws? :lol: :bs:

Nice smilies !!!!

They keep having difficult draws because they are seeded under their talent.

bandabou
May 2nd, 2005, 11:36 AM
Just amazing.....really impressive. Let's see if they can take that play into the majors as well..

Rub
May 2nd, 2005, 12:09 PM
People who don't like Kim or JHH or both are always going to come up with the excuse that they had easy draws when in reality they didn't which is shown by where they are ranked in terms of wins over top 10 and 20 players this year, they are both right up there. It makes them feel better to think that Kim or JHH only won cause it was an easy draw, they don't like to think they won the tournament because they played the best tennis of anyone who turned up.


I find it rather funny when people suggest Kim's Miami draw was a cakewalk

R 1 Kloesel
R2 Frazier (24)
R3 Dechy (12) - AO semi finalist
R4 Myskina (5) - RG Champion
QF - Dementieva (4) 2 x GS Runner Up & Top 5
SF - Mauresmo (1) - Was playing to take the number 1 ranking.
F Maria (2) - Wimbledon Champion


Oh yes that is just such a cakewalk for a player in her 3rd event since injury. Unseeded Kim played a seed in every round (except round 1 which she couldn't ahve anyway) & took out the two top seeds plus 4 & 5, all without losing a set!


thanks for pointing those out... this is what i want to show those who are saying kim had a cakewalk draw! if that should be cakewalk, then serena's Aus Open draw was cakewalk too...

DA FOREHAND
May 2nd, 2005, 03:10 PM
Because prior to their injuries they were THE BEST in the World. Some will argue, but I believe most will realise what I'm about to say is true. After their injuries in early 2004, the quality of the Tour went DOWN. Before they (Kim/ Justine) left, they were a notch above the rest. This is why between themselves they won almost everything they entered. It was them two, and then everyone else. Notice once they left, different players were winning all different types of tournaments. No one was DOMINATING, not even close.

So being that they left as the 2 best in the world, combined with the decline in the overall level or quality of the Tour equates to the reason why they have returned with such great success so quickly.
:wavey:
Interesting thier rise coincided w/the injuries of Venus and Serena....yeah ig guess that would leave them a half notch above the rest of the field.

DA FOREHAND
May 2nd, 2005, 03:15 PM
YOu can't dominate w/out winning slams(s) plural!.

Fantastic
May 2nd, 2005, 03:53 PM
The image of Kim and Justine sashaying around on the court is making me :lol:

fleemke³
May 2nd, 2005, 04:06 PM
Motivation
Training
Talent
Mental strenght
Determination


and ... well believe it or not but I think women's tennis didn't get better (higher level) when Kim and Justine were out.


:)

Mercury Rising
May 2nd, 2005, 04:24 PM
Clijsters: 4 tournaments, 9 top 20 wins, 6 top 10 wins
Henin: 3 tournaments, 6 top 20 wins, 4 top 10 wins

Davenport: 7 tournaments, 8 top 20 wins, 3 top 10 wins
Sharapova: 5 tournaments, 5 top 20 wins, 4 top 10 wins
Serena: 5 tournaments, 6 top 20 wins, 3 top 10 wins
Mauresmo: 6 tournaments, 5 top 20 wins, 1 top 10 win
Schnyder: 10 tournaments, 3 top 20 wins, 2 top 10 wins
Molik: 7 tournaments, 4 top 20 wins, 2 top 10 wins
Dechy: 9 tournaments, 2 top 20 wins, 1 top 10 win

They have played less tournaments than all the other players from the top 10 in the Champions Race, and still top the number of wins over top 10 players, pretty amazing I think.


Thanks Tennisace for the statistics.

K.U.C.W-R.V
May 2nd, 2005, 04:27 PM
Kim seems like she's playing even better than before she got injured, she probably trained her ass off before she played Indian Wells. Justine has just had easy draws. She wouldn't have even won Charleston if Davenport wasn't injured and Kuznetsova is a horrid player.

Bitter/jealous?...lets see how Capriati performs if & when she returns from injury.

How can someone who names Bovina & DECHY amongst their fave players describe other players as horrid?

Kuzzy is very talented, very powerful & will win multiple grand slams (especially RG) when she learns to control her power.

bandabou
May 2nd, 2005, 04:28 PM
But that's right....because them being unseeded in tournaments, of course they're gonna meet top 10 players more often and earlier....and really beating Myskina, Dementieva, even Svetlana K isn't SUCH a hard thing to do.

Martian KC
May 2nd, 2005, 05:02 PM
Is anything "easy" when you've come back from long injury breaks?

DA FOREHAND
May 2nd, 2005, 05:04 PM
Is anything "easy" when you've come back from long injury breaks?
it seemed too easy for Serena to give Elena D two breadsticks in last years Miami final

Mercury Rising
May 2nd, 2005, 05:06 PM
But that's right....because them being unseeded in tournaments, of course they're gonna meet top 10 players more often and earlier....and really beating Myskina, Dementieva, even Svetlana K isn't SUCH a hard thing to do.:lol: suuure, the slam winners and finalists of last year, damn last year must have been extremely weak.

Martian KC
May 2nd, 2005, 05:07 PM
it seemed too easy for Serena to give Elena D two breadsticks in last years Miami final

What about her results after that?:o

rottweily
May 2nd, 2005, 05:07 PM
True talent never fades!

DA FOREHAND
May 2nd, 2005, 05:07 PM
What about her results after that?:o

what about them? did she not make the wimbledon final, and win A.O. 05?

Martian KC
May 2nd, 2005, 05:09 PM
what about them? did she not make the wimbledon final, and win A.O. 05?

Did she win consecutive titles?:confused: Wimbledon came months after that, no? Or did they change the entire timeframe just for the sake of your argument?

bandabou
May 2nd, 2005, 05:10 PM
What about her results after that?:o

Just won major no.7....let's wait and see if Kim wins major number ONE.

bandabou
May 2nd, 2005, 05:12 PM
Did she win consecutive titles?:confused: Wimbledon came months after that, no? Or did they change the entire timeframe just for the sake of your argument?

Those are nice results indeed....but winning a major is even nicier.

Martian KC
May 2nd, 2005, 05:13 PM
Just won major no.7....let's wait and see if Kim wins major number ONE.

Yes well, give them as much time as serena got to recover in time to win her 7th major.:shrug:

bandabou
May 2nd, 2005, 05:16 PM
We will Martian....don't worry...

DA FOREHAND
May 2nd, 2005, 05:16 PM
Yes well, give them as much time as serena got to recover in time to win her 7th major.:shrug:
Kim has been a pro for how many years w/out injury...and how many slams has she won?

Martian KC
May 2nd, 2005, 05:26 PM
Kim has been a pro for how many years w/out injury...and how many slams has she won?

I dunno how I got to defending Kim:o but, I'm sure if it wasn't for another pesky Belgian;), I'm sure she would have one by now.:hatoff:

alexusjonesfan
May 2nd, 2005, 05:28 PM
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pigam
May 2nd, 2005, 05:31 PM
people who say Justine and Kim just kept training while they where 'injured' don't know what they're talking about. :)
Why are they back winning, not dominating (yet??). Because they are extremely talented, focused and motivated.
All belgians and all their fans should be really really greatfull :)

Bankhead Bounce
May 2nd, 2005, 05:43 PM
Kim and Justine have dominated the tour the past few weeks: on hardcourt and clay.

What preparations are necessary to be away from competitive tennis so long, then comeback to immediately dominate????

Having no life outside of tennis? :scratch:

bandabou
May 2nd, 2005, 05:43 PM
Yep, that's true pigam....the Belgian girls are good...but no need really to compare their comeback with other players..

pigam
May 2nd, 2005, 05:46 PM
Having no life outside of tennis? :scratch:
and that is really something to be ashamed of isn't it?
yeah, I also hate people who are totally dedicated to what they do and who want to be the very best at it.

Veenut
May 2nd, 2005, 07:05 PM
Relax people!!! I don't know if this has been mentioned before, but Venus also won Charleston, Warsaw and made the finals in Berlin last year, yet last year was considered her worst. So, let us hold back on the word domination for a while longer until further in the season. If my favs are unable to come through with the win at the FO then I'll be rooting for Kim.

vogus
May 2nd, 2005, 07:22 PM
Clisters and Henin are both hard-headed and committed. They are a cut above the other top players on the tour in that sense, and they know what they want. But you need to save the phrase "dominance" until after the FO and Wimby, which is where the real lines are going to be drawn.

Lady
May 2nd, 2005, 07:51 PM
It's not the fans of the Belgian girls who are screaming "Dominance".
We are just extremely happy for every matvh they win, and we actually know that they may lose, if you read the posts carefully!
(Sorry for speaking for all Kim and Justine fans :o )

TeamUSA#1
May 2nd, 2005, 09:14 PM
I'm sorry, but you gotta give it up to both Kim and JHH.. It really shows how shallow the "Russian Revolution" was last year. And as much as I am a fan of USA players, you cant say the KIM and JHH dominated because of Venus and Serena's injuries :confused: Kim won Miami, where both Venus and Serena played. Yes, Rena got injured in her next tourney, but Venus has not been injured-- she just isn't getting far enough in tournaments these days.

I think both Kim and JHH were wise about how they planned their return-- taking some extra time to really train and prepare.

shap_half
May 2nd, 2005, 09:17 PM
I'm just rooting for my girl all the way. Take it to the top, Justine! Take it to the top!

Hagar
May 2nd, 2005, 10:31 PM
1. Very talented, simply possessing great tennis ability
2. Working very hard
3. Excellent coaches

No other top players dispose of these three elements.

- Take the Williams sisters. Talent galore but they should work harder on their technique (if only to avoid the injuries they are constantly plagued by). For that they need a real coach... Have they ever got one?
- Take Davenport. Talented but lacking in the mobility department. But compensates by hard work and good coaching.
- Take Capriati. Very talented but the coaching is a problem (probably because of Jen's difficult character)

LeRoy.
May 2nd, 2005, 11:33 PM
This thread seems to have brought the usually bickering Justine and Kim fans to defend each others faves.:)

~|Naomi|~
May 3rd, 2005, 05:46 AM
But that's right....because them being unseeded in tournaments, of course they're gonna meet top 10 players more often and earlier....and really beating Myskina, Dementieva, even Svetlana K isn't SUCH a hard thing to do. But when Kim & JHH were out injured/sick it was those players who were pumped up as having improved so much and along with the other top 10 players as the reason that Kim or JHH wouldn't be able to return strongly. Those players were made out to be so unbelievably brilliant and so much better than either Kim or JHH were or could be. Now they have beaten them on their return it is oh well they only beat Myskina or Kuznetsova or Dementieva, they aren't that tough. Well it went over and over in GM when both JHH & Kim were out that they wouldn't be able to come back cause the Russians were so strong, but now they beat them it is oh they only beat the Russians. You can't have it both ways.

Lynx
May 3rd, 2005, 06:28 AM
This thread seems to have brought the usually bickering Justine and Kim fans to defend each others faves.:)
Yeah, :lol:.

You know, my sis and I used to fight a lot... but if somebody else treatened one of us we immediately presented one front. :p

Veenut
May 3rd, 2005, 06:08 PM
[QUOTE=Hagar]1. Very talented, simply possessing great tennis ability
2. Working very hard
3. Excellent coaches

No other top players dispose of these three elements.

- Take the Williams sisters. Talent galore but they should work harder on their technique (if only to avoid the injuries they are constantly plagued by). For that they need a real coach... Have they ever got one?

They end results do not support your argument because the coaching of the Williams have produced far better results than Kim and Justine. Just looking at the head to head of these players you still have no basis for your argument. Going by the evidence above, one can conclude that the Williams coaching is producing better results than the excellent coaching of your fav(s).

Rethink your claims with supportive FACTS not feelings. It is ok to celebrate your fav(s) accomplishments but why do it by discrediting the accomplishments of others? Let's see how they perform against each other in the future because so far the Williams are way out in front.

Hagar
May 3rd, 2005, 09:47 PM
[QUOTE=Hagar]1. Very talented, simply possessing great tennis ability
2. Working very hard
3. Excellent coaches

No other top players dispose of these three elements.

- Take the Williams sisters. Talent galore but they should work harder on their technique (if only to avoid the injuries they are constantly plagued by). For that they need a real coach... Have they ever got one?

They end results do not support your argument because the coaching of the Williams have produced far better results than Kim and Justine. Just looking at the head to head of these players you still have no basis for your argument. Going by the evidence above, one can conclude that the Williams coaching is producing better results than the excellent coaching of your fav(s).

Rethink your claims with supportive FACTS not feelings. It is ok to celebrate your fav(s) accomplishments but why do it by discrediting the accomplishments of others? Let's see how they perform against each other in the future because so far the Williams are way out in front.

Most good results for the Sisters came when Kim and Justine were not yet at their peak!

Tennisaddict
May 3rd, 2005, 11:29 PM
[QUOTE=Veenut]

Most good results for the Sisters came when Kim and Justine were not yet at their peak!

How convenient for you to say so. Justine and Kim were at their peak but Venus and Serena at their peak were/are better, and that's why they had those good results, it's as simple as that.

Wasn't Henin at her peak or at least playing some of her best tennis in Oz 2003, RG 2003 and Wimbledon 2003? She sure was in sizzling form to reach to two semi-finals and to win her first slam. Notice how more smoothly it went for her to win the US Open and Oz, when Venus and Serena were out injured.

Even the Belgian commentators have acknowledged the fact that the WS and the Belgians are the best in the field at their peak, but that the WS are a notch better.They said this during the Antwerp Diamond Games 2005 when they were commentating the Venus/Kim match.

They made a funny comment in reference to the abilities of the WS and Belgians x 2, something like Justine and Kim drive on benzine and Venus and Serena drive on kerosine :lol:.

Geisha
May 4th, 2005, 12:06 AM
Kim's comeback isn't as surprising. I mean, she was able to do a lot of things Lindsay and Venus weren't able to do, like heavy running or anything- because of their injuries...and Serena with her knee.

Justine's must have been tough. I mean, she was weak for a lonnggg time and then her knee injury. I'm more surprised about her than anyone.