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Zippy
Apr 30th, 2005, 12:45 AM
I’m deployed in Iraq…again, and I have on occasion been asked this question. Being out here first hand, I feel I may be able to inform and/or enlighten some people on the topic who may be in question. Anyways I think this topic possibly could make for a good discussion. Here’s my spill. Please read.

Why are we here?

We are here protecting the US and the World from terrorism, but mostly protecting the Iraqi Nation (the people) from terrorism and insurgency, and building & training up their Nation (security forces and military) to stand, fight, and prevail against the terrorist and insurgents.

I don't know if you follow the war. But the Iraqi people suffer the mass majority of the attacks, especially casualty & fatality wise. The terrorist are more afraid of us (US Military) cause we're strong, so they in turn cowardly attack the weak, being their own people with no regard at all. To them (the terrorist/insurgents) anyone who believes in a just cause and/or a Democratic government, and also befriends the US is fair game. It's sad really.

No, we (US Military) are not bullies, and Bush is not a tyrant (though he may not be an angel either, but very few are), though some ignorant people that really don't know what's going on out here may tend to think differently.

We are here protecting and supporting the Iraqi's. We are putting our lives on the line; standing post at many of their installations, road check points, and also patrolling their streets keeping them "more" safe for the Iraqi's to freely move about on; just to name a few.

Heck, we could just up and leave Iraq before they (Iraqi Security Forces) are adequately able to fend for themselves against the insurgency. But I ask, would that really be a just and righteous thing to do? Just follow MSNBC, CNN, and/or FOX News and see how many innocent non-combatants are killed and/or injured from attacks almost daily.

Yes, 9/11 happened and we decided to strike back. I know going through your head right now is, “ but wasn’t Bin-Laden behind those attacks?” Well yes, but it all goes full circle. Believe it or not, there were (and still are) some bad people with power in Iraq that supported the terrorist. I won’t lie; “maybe” initially our motives were partly to seek vindication (i.e. you hit me – I hit you back). But now it’s definitely something much greater than that. We are here to Liberate Iraq (being accomplished) and to head up the Global War on Terrorism.

God Bless America
:wavey:

Zippy
Apr 30th, 2005, 02:05 AM
See what I mean. Just check out the msn web portal home page sometimes. This just in today (29 Apr 05):

Bombings, attacks kill 50 across Iraq

BAGHDAD, Iraq - Insurgents set off at least 17 bombs in Iraq on Friday, killing at least 50 people, including three U.S. soldiers, in a series of attacks aimed at shaking Iraq’s newly formed government.

(entire article) http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7629770/

Zippy
May 1st, 2005, 07:30 AM
Just figured I'd share current "public/media" news on the war again. If you're interested, feel free to read. If you're not, please disregard. No replies necessary, but of course you're free to do whatever.
Semper Fi :)


Fresh attacks roil Iraq; at least 11 killed
U.S. also announces deaths of 7 soldiers in earlier attacks
The Associated Press
Updated: 8:37 p.m. ET April 30, 2005

BAGHDAD, Iraq - Insurgents launched fresh attacks in Baghdad and northern Iraq on Saturday, killing at least 11 Iraqis and wounding more than 40 in a second day of violence aimed at shaking the country’s newly formed government.

At a meeting of Iraq’s neighbors in Turkey, meanwhile, Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan warned the violence was “not solely the concern of the Iraqis but ours as well.”

Some of the worst attacks occurred in the capital, still reeling from Friday’s onslaught in which at least 17 bombs exploded in Iraq, killing 52 people, including five U.S. soldiers.

(continued) http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7629770/

NicoMary
May 1st, 2005, 07:48 AM
I understand that you are tryin' to do well..BUT Your action have never been asked by any Iraki people and you went to war with no reason...this will always represent a serious problem for everybodies in the world especially Iraki's people.

If you want to liberate countries and show you as a nice country learn that united states is far from being the smartest country in the world (polution, education, social system...) maybe it's the most powerfull. but act with respect for other countries please

ginger_fish668
May 1st, 2005, 09:33 AM
I'm very sympathetic of the many American soldiers that had to go to war.
I understand that it's the government's orders. But America did not have a reason to attack Iraq.
Where are the WMDs anyways? Even Bush had to admit his mistake.

I understand that you are patriotic Zippy. :) But it probably would have been better to say God Bless the world as well, are the rest of the world unimportant?

GOd Bless HUMANITY.

Ted of Teds Tennis
May 1st, 2005, 04:08 PM
If you're going to say the US had no reason to attack Iraq, I hope you'll be consistent and say that NATO should never have gotten involved in Kosovo. Most of the arguments that were used about going to war in Kosovo can also be applied to Iraq.

The other thing I always find interesting is how, when the insurgents/militants/terrorists blow up a bomb in front of a mosque, there's never any comment from the media about how this is going to turn the Iraqi people against them, becuase, after all, you never blow up a holy site.

vertigo
May 1st, 2005, 04:24 PM
I believe that the time will soon come when Iraq will be left on its own, and can only hope that this invention (or whatever you would choose to call it) proves to be a catalyst for peace in the region, and indeed, the rest of the world.

Also I agree with ginger fish - God bless humanity, not just America.

vertigo
May 1st, 2005, 04:35 PM
Also - do you not think that US intervention in Iraq was the initial cause behind all of these insurgent attacks!? For me, the invasion in Iraq stirred the hornets nest, and therefore as invaders we now have a responsibility to stay - until some form of stalemate can be reached.

BUBI
May 1st, 2005, 05:38 PM
No, we (US Military) are not bullies, and Bush is not a tyrant (though he may not be an angel either, but very few are), though some ignorant people that really don't know what's going on out here may tend to think differently.

http://www.universalfriends.org/prisoners_abuses_Iraq2.htm

Zippy
May 1st, 2005, 09:29 PM
I understand that you are patriotic Zippy. :) But it probably would have been better to say God Bless the world as well, are the rest of the world unimportant?

GOd Bless HUMANITY.
"God Bless HUMANITY", I agree :D. I only posted God Bless America at the end of my passage, because it seemed to fit with the post. I really didn't think to give it a second thought, and I meant no offense by it. Also to answer your question noted above. I am a devout Christian, and I have love for all people of the world. So NO, the rest of the world is not unimportant to me.
:wavey:

ginger_fish668
May 2nd, 2005, 05:03 PM
"God Bless HUMANITY", I agree :D. I only posted God Bless America at the end of my passage, because it seemed to fit with the post. I really didn't think to give it a second thought, and I meant no offense by it. Also to answer your question noted above. I am a devout Christian, and I have love for all people of the world. So NO, the rest of the world is not unimportant to me.
:wavey:


:wavey:

Hope you are safe. :angel:

Lord Nelson
May 2nd, 2005, 05:16 PM
I understand that you are tryin' to do well..BUT Your action have never been asked by any Iraki people and you went to war with no reason...this will always represent a serious problem for everybodies in the world especially Iraki's people.

If you want to liberate countries and show you as a nice country learn that united states is far from being the smartest country in the world (polution, education, social system...) maybe it's the most powerfull. but act with respect for other countries please
You may be right but don't forget that though France has less influence in Africa it still send troops to Cote D'Ivoire. If you blame U.S. for sending troops to Iraq you should also blame your own country for having troops in that country. D'accord?

Martian Willow
May 2nd, 2005, 05:24 PM
I understand that you are tryin' to do well..BUT Your action have never been asked by any Iraki people and you went to war with no reason...this will always represent a serious problem for everybodies in the world especially Iraki's people.

If you want to liberate countries and show you as a nice country learn that united states is far from being the smartest country in the world (polution, education, social system...) maybe it's the most powerfull. but act with respect for other countries please

I don't think they were in a position to 'ask'. :rolleyes: I'm sure they are most put out about having democracy imposed on them. :)

Zippy: :) :wavey:

creep
May 2nd, 2005, 07:48 PM
Youre being paid to do a job, just do it and stop fuckin moaning!What did you want to do? Just sit in the barracks all day and polish your helmet!

Zippy
May 2nd, 2005, 11:06 PM
Youre being paid to do a job, just do it and stop fuckin moaning! What did you want to do? Just sit in the barracks all day and polish your helmet!
What The Fudge :tape:
B*tch, aint nobody moaning nor complaining about shyt. Did you even read my post at all you fudgin' moron. "Why are we (I) here?” is a rhetorical question. I'm actually telling you and everyone else why (at least IMO). Nowhere in my original post did I b*tch, moan, complain, nor state that I was unhappy. But if you're curious (though you don't even deserve an intelligent response), I am proud to serve, and that IS why I joined the Service. I take pride in accomplishing missions and objectives that I am ordered/requested to carry out, and I honor my country and my God.

You had really angered me there, so I apologize for my outbreak. I try to up hold to strong character, be positive, and also keep a joyous attitude.


P.S. I'm I sorry if I took your reply wrong. "If" you were only trying to be humorous with it, but had simply forgotten to end it with JK (just kidding).

creep
May 3rd, 2005, 08:54 AM
What The Fudge :tape:
B*tch, aint nobody moaning nor complaining about shyt. Did you even read my post at all you fudgin' moron. "Why are we (I) here?” is a rhetorical question. I'm actually telling you and everyone else why (at least IMO). Nowhere in my original post did I b*tch, moan, complain, nor state that I was unhappy. But if you're curious (though you don't even deserve an intelligent response), I am proud to serve, and that IS why I joined the Service. I take pride in accomplishing missions and objectives that I am ordered/requested to carry out, and I honor my country and my God.

You had really angered me there, so I apologize for my outbreak. I try to up hold to strong character, be positive, and also keep a joyous attitude.


P.S. I'm I sorry if I took your reply wrong. "If" you were only trying to be humorous with it, but had simply forgotten to end it with JK (just kidding).


No I wasn’t joking with you. Why would I joke around with a retarded **** such as yourself? There are many service men and women who have lost their lives in Iraq. But you think it’s humorous to post that you are serving in Iraq which is total bullshit, because no military personal would have any access to the Internet. Or like the 99% of serving military personal restricted access to any form of communication, even mobile phones.
Any that did have access to a computer would have their logs checked to detect any if outside access had been used to send messages home, or to determine what sources they were trying to communicate with.
If I had my way I would send you to Iraq, dropping you head fucking first into Baghdad, without a parachute. You worthless piece of shit!

You are correct with this assumption, because YOU clearly never gave one!

Lord Nelson
May 3rd, 2005, 12:46 PM
hey Zippy just ignore Creep. He is just an extremist and likes to cause trouble. I'm proud of what the U.S. army has accomplished. South Korea was liberated by U.S. troops. Japan's constitution was set up by the Americans after WWII. These 2 nations are the most prosperous in Asia. The U.S. involvement in Vietnam war was also justifiable but LBJ who contrary to what many may believe was more moderate than JFK, half-heartenly sent troops and that only to South Vietnam. Oops lets not forget the liberation of Europe inn WWII and for our democrat friends, the U.S. under Clinton helped get rid of Milosevic. Of course I also recognize that the U.S. has also had unfortunate circumstances such as nuclear testing but overall I'm happy with what the U.S. has achieved.

Zippy
May 3rd, 2005, 01:22 PM
No I wasn’t joking with you. Why would I joke around with a retarded **** such as yourself? There are many service men and women who have lost their lives in Iraq. But you think it’s humorous to post that you are serving in Iraq which is total bullshit, because no military personal would have any access to the Internet. Or like the 99% of serving military personal restricted access to any form of communication, even mobile phones.
Any that did have access to a computer would have their logs checked to detect any if outside access had been used to send messages home, or to determine what sources they were trying to communicate with.
If I had my way I would send you to Iraq, dropping you head fucking first into Baghdad, without a parachute. You worthless piece of shit!

You are correct with this assumption, because YOU clearly never gave one!
Wow, you are sad. Why do you continue to insult and hate me? Actually I don't care why. You are who you are, and I am who I am. But all people can change, so I'll pray for you.

Also I am very blessed and fortunate in the since that I haven't had to be a "groud pounder" with the Division Grunts, Infantry, Recon, etc., and haven't had to be on the "front lines". Also a I hold a Secret Clearance and I work in the COC (Command Control Center), therefore I am VERY familiar with security and restriction policies. If you are curious, what can't be relayed (communicated) on a "Non-Secure Net" is the following: Rank or Name of WIA/KIA, Current Ops, Planned Ops, Unit Size or Location. So yes, I do sit in front of a computer when on Duty. Actually two, a Nipr (non-secure, such as this one) and a Sipr (Secure Net), and I do (which is obvious) have access to the Internet. So don't attempt to educate me, because I wouldn't work where I work nor have the position that I have, if I wasn't smart ;)
Semper Fi :wavey:

Zippy
May 3rd, 2005, 01:34 PM
hey Zippy just ignore Creep. He is just an extremist and likes to cause trouble. I'm proud of what the U.S. army has accomplished. South Korea was liberated by U.S. troops. Japan's constitution was set up by the Americans after WWII. These 2 nations are the most prosperous in Asia. The U.S. involvement in Vietnam war was also justifiable but LBJ who contrary to what many may believe was more moderate than JFK, half-heartenly sent troops and that only to South Vietnam. Oops lets not forget the liberation of Europe inn WWII and for our democrat friends, the U.S. under Clinton helped get rid of Milosevic. Of course I also recognize that the U.S. has also had unfortunate circumstances such as nuclear testing but overall I'm happy with what the U.S. has achieved.
Thank you :worship:
It's great to hear someone positive and intelligent, after listening (well reading) to someone like Creep.

SelesFan70
May 3rd, 2005, 03:17 PM
:wavey: Thanks, Zippy! It's obvious that Bush's policy is working. Those that hate him will never admit it, so one should just ignore them and let them be. I'm very proud of our military and the restraint that is shown every day. We could literally flatten the whole region, but we're good people so that will never happen. Be safe, and tell your unit that I personally thank them! :wavey:

creep
May 4th, 2005, 02:37 PM
hey Zippy just ignore Creep. He is just an extremist and likes to cause trouble. I'm proud of what the U.S. army has accomplished. South Korea was liberated by U.S. troops. Japan's constitution was set up by the Americans after WWII. These 2 nations are the most prosperous in Asia. The U.S. involvement in Vietnam war was also justifiable but LBJ who contrary to what many may believe was more moderate than JFK, half-heartenly sent troops and that only to South Vietnam. Oops lets not forget the liberation of Europe inn WWII and for our democrat friends, the U.S. under Clinton helped get rid of Milosevic. Of course I also recognize that the U.S. has also had unfortunate circumstances such as nuclear testing but overall I'm happy with what the U.S. has achieved.

There is a considerable civic movement in South Korea that opposes U.S. bases as well as larger U.S. strategic initiatives (including missile defence). Korean nationalism "the right of Koreans to determine their own national priorities" animates this movement. Korean unification, a difficult task even at the best of times, is not made any easier by the forces of globalisation and U.S. military policy. To help create an atmosphere in which Koreans can determine the fate of the peninsula largely by themselves, the U.S. government should stop thinking of its own short-term interests and consider the long-term interests of the region.

LBJ what a fucking lunatic! It is a common fact that he forced his advisors into the bathroom each morning to discuss politics while he took a shit. He is commonly quoted as saying horribly offensive things and generally not caring what the response would be. One evening in 1965, Johnson was being interviewed by several reporters. They were asking him the usual questions about current events, but toward the end, one of them asked the important question: "Why are we still in Vietnam?" Johnson, having answered this question countless times in the year and a half that he'd been in office, finally cracked. The president stood up, faced the reporters, unzipped his fly, pulled out his dick, and said, "This is why we're still in Vietnam." You see, President Clinton wasn't the only president to whip it out for the benefit of the nation. lol

The reasons for the American intervention are, from an objective point of view, completely inadequate for the justification of war in a country in which America had only minimal involvement. The Vietnam War was ultimately instigated by politicians terrified of communism, which in the end would pose no significant threat. These men expended an enormous number of resources and sent hundreds of thousands of young soldiers to their deaths, even in the face of massive public protest at the pointlessness of the war and the use of napalm, in a vain attempt to enhance American world influence only withdrawing when they realised that the war was impossible to win. The war cannot be justified for any humanitarian, economic, moral or political reasons and thus must be seen to be unjustified.

And now the US are involved in yet another unjustified invasion, and murder campaign in Iraq. How many innocent civilians have the US military murdered in the name of democracy?
The US invasion was not to liberate the people of Iraq, it was to locate the WMD that Saddam Hussein had amassed. Of which they lied about, because there were none to begin with.

Nuclear testing unfortunate? Tell this to the victims of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

And don't forget the United States involvement in Central America.

You call me an extremist, what a sick fuck you are!

creep
May 4th, 2005, 02:52 PM
And Oops.......the bombing of the "Chinese embassy in Belgrade"!

The American air force bombed Belgrade on Sunday April 16, 1944, during Christian Serb holiday of Easter. The bombing was performed in a fashion more savage than Hitler did it three years earlier on Sunday, April 6, 1941.

creep
May 4th, 2005, 03:04 PM
Wow, you are sad. Why do you continue to insult and hate me? Actually I don't care why. You are who you are, and I am who I am. But all people can change, so I'll pray for you.

Also I am very blessed and fortunate in the since that I haven't had to be a "groud pounder" with the Division Grunts, Infantry, Recon, etc., and haven't had to be on the "front lines". Also a I hold a Secret Clearance and I work in the COC (Command Control Center), therefore I am VERY familiar with security and restriction policies. If you are curious, what can't be relayed (communicated) on a "Non-Secure Net" is the following: Rank or Name of WIA/KIA, Current Ops, Planned Ops, Unit Size or Location. So yes, I do sit in front of a computer when on Duty. Actually two, a Nipr (non-secure, such as this one) and a Sipr (Secure Net), and I do (which is obvious) have access to the Internet. So don't attempt to educate me, because I wouldn't work where I work nor have the position that I have, if I wasn't smart ;)
Semper Fi :wavey:


You’ll pray for me? A Christian! That explains why you are so fucked in the head.
You’ve been watching to many re-runs of “Tour Of Duty”

Lord Nelson
May 5th, 2005, 07:15 PM
I won't respond to your messages but is your signature directed to you? Why don't you get yourself a girlfriend man, it's not hard. Is it that tough. Perhaps you could not even bang that old bag in your avatar unless of course she's your mum. Maybe you must be so desperate for sex you may even want to bang your own mum.

AjdeNate!
May 5th, 2005, 07:20 PM
Jesus Saves!

creep
May 5th, 2005, 07:36 PM
I won't respond to your messages but is your signature directed to you? Why don't you get yourself a girlfriend man, it's not hard. Is it that tough. Perhaps you could not even bang that old bag in your avatar unless of course she's your mum. Maybe you must be so desperate for sex you may even want to bang your own mum.

lol I bet you were awake all night! And that's the best you could come up with.

Zippy
Mar 26th, 2006, 07:07 PM
I'm home now. Safe, sound, and still in one piece. I thought I might let you all know incase anyone had remember this thread and was interested.
:)

esquímaux
Mar 27th, 2006, 04:34 PM
Welcum bak :wavey: