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Foot_Fault
Apr 29th, 2005, 12:22 AM
It's much more important than anything he has to say. My Thursday is all F'ed up. He need to warn us so we can go out drinking when he comes on TV.

Go Steph!!!! Win Suvivor!

Steam
Apr 29th, 2005, 12:24 AM
This guy is such a fucking dolt. I'm sure that he is a decent guy and all but he is such a fucking moron that its stupifying.

I hate when he decides to interrupt primetime television for no reason at all. He did this to me during "24" last year and now he's doing it to "Survivor" and "The Apprentice". At least I got to finish "The Terminal" though.

PaulieM
Apr 29th, 2005, 12:31 AM
listening to him is giving me a pretty good laugh. i almost feel bad for him that he just always manages to sound soo dumb. :tape: all i can say is he'd better be done before the apprentice!! :mad:

Foot_Fault
Apr 29th, 2005, 12:33 AM
This guy is such a fucking dolt. I'm sure that he is a decent guy and all but he is such a fucking moron that its stupifying.

I hate when he decides to interrupt primetime television for no reason at all. He did this to me during "24" last year and now he's doing it to "Survivor" and "The Apprentice". At least I got to finish "The Terminal" though.

You have no idea...however, he better be glad that this is NOT Tuesday night and the Amazing Race is on, b/c I'd be in Jail with my death message. Freaking Idiot,......I am So tired if His lies, He disgust me.

Paldias
Apr 29th, 2005, 12:48 AM
:fiery: I don't even live in the States and I'm getting the stupid message on my CBS Channel. Why can't they just show us Canadians survivor? This address (not watching) has nothing to do with me or my fellow Canadians :mad:

PaulieM
Apr 29th, 2005, 12:57 AM
is the apprentice going to be on tonight or not??? :confused: wish this idiot would get off my screen, he's on every damn channel

Dawn Marie
Apr 29th, 2005, 12:58 AM
what bothers me is that people actually think this man is smart. I mean I am embarrased for him and his family. I mean a cockroach has more intelligence in their bitty head than bush does as a human brain.

Dawn Marie
Apr 29th, 2005, 12:59 AM
the dumbass interrupted Surivivor on purpose please man get the fact away from my screen!!

shnit.
Apr 29th, 2005, 01:28 AM
And The OC! No OC today because of him. :mad:
I think. :confused:

PaulieM
Apr 29th, 2005, 01:35 AM
yeah i wanted to watch the oc too!

Meesh
Apr 29th, 2005, 03:06 AM
Why can't he pick a shitty night of TV?

LMAO @ 9pm when both Apprentice and Survivor came on. :lol::lol: I was deciding which to tape and which to watch then wondering what my reality buddies online would be choosing.

Bacardi
Apr 29th, 2005, 03:09 AM
It's much more important than anything he has to say. My Thursday is all F'ed up. He need to warn us so we can go out drinking when he comes on TV.

Go Steph!!!! Win Suvivor!


don't worry foot fault my gf and i went out drinkin and got piss drunk not even knowin it for you :lol:

Wigglytuff
Apr 29th, 2005, 05:13 AM
i stopped watching survivor. but yeah i would be pissed if that "man" interrupted one of my shows.

Huntress555
Apr 29th, 2005, 07:11 AM
... hes just as bad as howard lol... they're as bad as each other.. i hate them both, would rather watch grass grow then them.... !!!
If they interupted my programs i'd be angry too :(

Lord Nelson
Apr 29th, 2005, 02:02 PM
I would be angry if a lib such as Zapatero interrupted my programs.

Mase
Apr 29th, 2005, 02:05 PM
I cant beleive who they voted out.. :sad:

tennislover
Apr 29th, 2005, 02:08 PM
I'm shocked..... :eek:
guys, he is the President of the State where you live......whoever he/she is the President of one's nation deserves a bit of respect....or not? :rolleyes:

SelesFan70
Apr 29th, 2005, 02:17 PM
The future of Social Security is a LOT more important than some "reality" TV show. :rolleyes: I like to know what his proposals are, and I appreciate the opportunity to hear him speak on it.

tennislover
Apr 29th, 2005, 02:22 PM
The future of Social Security is a LOT more important than some "reality" TV show. :rolleyes: I like to know what his proposals are, and I appreciate the opportunity to hear him speak on it.


true.

Wigglytuff
Apr 29th, 2005, 04:11 PM
The future of Social Security is a LOT more important than some "reality" TV show. :rolleyes: I like to know what his proposals are, and I appreciate the opportunity to hear him speak on it.
that would be true, IF his plan would actually fix any of the problems with social security. most bi-partisan analysts say it will do little more than increase the national deficit (something bush enjoys doing), leave far less guaranteed benefits for younger Americans than they would receive if the system remained unchanged, and not to mention pandering to the wealthiest Americans.

and whats more, most Americans (republicans, democrats and third party goers alike) dont like his plan.

and on a personal note if anyone wants me, as a young person (under 30) to be excited at the prospect of paying more money and getting less guaranteed benefits they are grossly out of touch with reality (no pun intended)

I'm shocked..... :eek:
guys, he is the President of the State where you live......whoever he/she is the President of one's nation deserves a bit of respect....or not? :rolleyes:
well, therein lies your problem, hes not "president", hes Baby Bush :).

usually when someone wins both the popular vote and the electoral college they get to be president. before the man got into his unelected seat in the white house he was already starting his long running plan of making America an official oligarchy.

and then after not even being elected into office he has the nerve to say things like "We will not have an all-volunteer army" OUCH!!!! come on!!! seriously the man deserve no love. none at all.


and because its fun, 50 reasons why i find him hard to listen to:

50. "I promise you I will listen to what has been said here, even though I wasn't here." —at the President's Economic Forum in Waco, Texas, Aug. 13, 2002

49. "We spent a lot of time talking about Africa, as we should. Africa is a nation that suffers from incredible disease." —Gothenburg, Sweden, June 14, 2001

48. "You teach a child to read, and he or her will be able to pass a literacy test.'' —Townsend, Tenn., Feb. 21, 2001

47. "We both use Colgate toothpaste." —after a reporter asked what he had in common with British Prime Minister Tony Blair, Camp David, Md., Feb. 23, 2001

46. "Tribal sovereignty means that; it's sovereign. I mean, you're a — you've been given sovereignty, and you're viewed as a sovereign entity. And therefore the relationship between the federal government and tribes is one between sovereign entities." —Washington, D.C., Aug. 6, 2004 (Watch video)

45. "I glance at the headlines just to kind of get a flavor for what's moving. I rarely read the stories, and get briefed by people who are probably read the news themselves." —Washington, D.C., Sept. 21, 2003

44. "I'm the commander — see, I don't need to explain — I do not need to explain why I say things. That's the interesting thing about being president." —as quoted in Bob Woodward's Bush at War

43. "I am here to make an announcement that this Thursday, ticket counters and airplanes will fly out of Ronald Reagan Airport." —Washington, D.C., Oct. 3, 2001

42. "The war on terror involves Saddam Hussein because of the nature of Saddam Hussein, the history of Saddam Hussein, and his willingness to terrorize himself." —Grand Rapids, Mich., Jan. 29, 2003

41. "I saw a poll that said the right track/wrong track in Iraq was better than here in America. It's pretty darn strong. I mean, the people see a better future." —Washington, D.C., Sept. 23, 2004

40. "Oh, no, we're not going to have any casualties." —discussing the Iraq war with Christian Coalition founder Pat Robertson, as quoted by Robertson

39. "I hear there's rumors on the Internets that we're going to have a draft." —presidential debate, St. Louis, Mo., Oct. 8, 2004 (Watch video)

38. "Haven't we already given money to rich people? Why are we going to do it again?" —to economic advisers discussing a second round of tax cuts, as quoted by former Treasury Secretary Paul O'Neil, Washington, D.C., Nov. 26, 2002

37. "We need an energy bill that encourages consumption." —Trenton, N.J., Sept. 23, 2002

36. "After standing on the stage, after the debates, I made it very plain, we will not have an all-volunteer army." —Daytona Beach, Fla., Oct. 16, 2004 (Watch video)

35. "Do you have blacks, too?" —to Brazilian President Fernando Cardoso, Washington, D.C., Nov. 8, 2001

34. "This foreign policy stuff is a little frustrating." —as quoted by the New York Daily News, April 23, 2002

33. "I got to know Ken Lay when he was head of the — what they call the Governor's Business Council in Texas. He was a supporter of Ann Richards in my run in 1994. And she had named him the head of the Governor's Business Council. And I decided to leave him in place, just for the sake of continuity. And that's when I first got to know Ken and worked with Ken." —attempting to distance himself from his biggest political patron, Enron Chairman Ken Lay, whom he nicknamed "Kenny Boy," Washington, D.C., Jan. 10, 2002

32. "It is white." —after being asked by a child in Britain what the White House was like, July 19, 2001

31. "I couldn't imagine somebody like Osama bin Laden understanding the joy of Hanukkah." —at a White House menorah lighting ceremony, Washington, D.C., Dec. 10, 2001

30. "For every fatal shooting, there were roughly three non-fatal shootings. And, folks, this is unacceptable in America. It's just unacceptable. And we're going to do something about it." —Philadelphia, Penn., May 14, 2001

29. "I don't know why you're talking about Sweden. They're the neutral one. They don't have an army." —during a Dec. 2002 Oval Office meeting with Rep. Tom Lantos, as reported by the New York Times

28. "You forgot Poland." —to Sen. John Kerry during the first presidential debate, after Kerry failed to mention Poland's contributions to the Iraq war coalition, Miami, Fla., Sept. 30, 2004

27. "I'm the master of low expectations." —aboard Air Force One, June 4, 2003

26. "I'm also not very analytical. You know I don't spend a lot of time thinking about myself, about why I do things." —aboard Air Force One, June 4, 2003

25. "I know what I believe. I will continue to articulate what I believe and what I believe — I believe what I believe is right." —Rome, Italy, July 22, 2001

24. "We need to counter the shockwave of the evildoer by having individual rate cuts accelerated and by thinking about tax rebates." —Washington, D.C. Oct. 4, 2001

23. "People say, how can I help on this war against terror? How can I fight evil? You can do so by mentoring a child; by going into a shut-in's house and say I love you." —Washington, D.C., Sept. 19, 2002

22. "I wish you'd have given me this written question ahead of time so I could plan for it…I'm sure something will pop into my head here in the midst of this press conference, with all the pressure of trying to come up with answer, but it hadn't yet….I don't want to sound like I have made no mistakes. I'm confident I have. I just haven't — you just put me under the spot here, and maybe I'm not as quick on my feet as I should be in coming up with one." —President George W. Bush, after being asked to name the biggest mistake he had made, Washington, D.C., April 3, 2004

21. "The really rich people figure out how to dodge taxes anyway." —explaining why high taxes on the rich are a failed strategy, Annandale, Va., Aug. 9, 2004

20. "My plan reduces the national debt, and fast. So fast, in fact, that economists worry that we're going to run out of debt to retire." —radio address, Feb. 24, 2001

19. "You know, when I was one time campaigning in Chicago, a reporter said, 'Would you ever have a deficit?' I said, 'I can't imagine it, but there would be one if we had a war, or a national emergency, or a recession.' Never did I dream we'd get the trifecta." —Houston, Texas, June 14, 2002 (There is no evidence Bush ever made any such statement, despite recounting the trifecta line repeatedly in 2002. A search by the Washington Post revealed that the three caveats were brought up before the 2000 campaign — by Al Gore.)

18. "See, free nations are peaceful nations. Free nations don't attack each other. Free nations don't develop weapons of mass destruction." —Milwaukee, Wis., Oct. 3, 2003
(JIGGLYNOTE: As of 1998 the US had over 8,226 nuclear warheads. The US has been officially and unofficially at hot war nearly non-stop since the end of WWII.)

17. "The British government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa." —State of the Union Address, Jan. 28, 2003, making a claim that administration officials knew at the time to be false

16. "In Iraq, no doubt about it, it's tough. It's hard work. It's incredibly hard." —repeating the phrases "hard work," "working hard," "hard choices," and other "hard"-based verbiage 22 times in his first debate with Sen. John Kerry

15. "The most important thing is for us to find Osama bin Laden. It is our number one priority and we will not rest until we find him." —Washington, D.C., Sept. 13, 2001

14. "I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority." —Washington, D.C., March 13, 2002

13. "But all in all, it's been a fabulous year for Laura and me." —summing up his first year in office, three months after the 9/11 attacks, Washington, D.C., Dec. 20, 2001

12. "I try to go for longer runs, but it's tough around here at the White House on the outdoor track. It's sad that I can't run longer. It's one of the saddest things about the presidency." —interview with "Runners World," Aug. 2002

11. "Can we win? I don't think you can win it." —after being asked whether the war on terror was winnable, "Today" show interview, Aug. 30, 2004

10. "I just want you to know that, when we talk about war, we're really talking about peace." —Washington, D.C. June 18, 2002

9. "I trust God speaks through me. Without that, I couldn't do my job." —to a group of Amish he met with privately, July 9, 2004

8. "Major combat operations in Iraq have ended. In the battle of Iraq, the United States and our allies have prevailed." —speaking underneath a "Mission Accomplished" banner aboard the USS Abraham Lincoln, May 1, 2003

7. “We found the weapons of mass destruction. We found biological laboratories … And we'll find more weapons as time goes on. But for those who say we haven't found the banned manufacturing devices or banned weapons, they're wrong, we found them." —Washington, D.C., May 30, 2003

6. "Those weapons of mass destruction have got to be somewhere!" —President George W. Bush, joking about his administration's failure to find WMDs in Iraq as he narrated a comic slideshow during the Radio & TV Correspondents' Association dinner, Washington, D.C., March 24, 2004

5. "If this were a dictatorship, it'd be a heck of a lot easier, just so long as I'm the dictator." —Washington, D.C., Dec. 19, 2000

4. "There's an old saying in Tennessee — I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again." —Nashville, Tenn., Sept. 17, 2002 (Watch video)

3. "Too many good docs are getting out of the business. Too many OB-GYNs aren't able to practice their love with women all across this country." —Poplar Bluff, Mo., Sept. 6, 2004 (Watch video)

2. "Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we." —Washington, D.C., Aug. 5, 2004 (Watch video)

1. "Rarely is the question asked: Is our children learning?"- January 11, 2000

Meesh
Apr 29th, 2005, 05:29 PM
I was just venting because it was unexpected and it's my fave tv night!

Of course I care about social security! I was born after 1950 so I fall into this new category. I just don't care to watch him speak. I'd rather get a recap online or from a bi-partisan financial person. I don't need all his bs! I want facts, how it will affect me, and what do I need to do to prepare. I won't get that from his speech! btw did he make up any new words that are not in the dictionary :tape:

CANADIANS --- what can I say... I knew you get our stations but didn't think you got our interuptions! I'm now grateful we don't get Paul Martin's interuptions.

SelesFan70
Apr 29th, 2005, 05:34 PM
that would be true, IF his plan would actually fix any of the problems with social security. most bi-partisan analysts say it will do little more than increase the national deficit (something bush enjoys doing), leave far less guaranteed benefits for younger Americans than they would receive if the system remained unchanged, and not to mention pandering to the wealthiest Americans.

and whats more, most Americans (republicans, democrats and third party goers alike) dont like his plan.

and on a personal note if anyone wants me, as a young person (under 30) to be excited at the prospect of paying more money and getting less guaranteed benefits they are grossly out of touch with reality (no pun intended)

well, therein lies your problem, hes not "president", hes Baby Bush :).

usually when someone wins both the popular vote and the electoral college they get to be president. before the man got into his unelected seat in the white house he was already starting his long running plan of making America an official oligarchy.

and then after not even being elected into office he has the nerve to say things like "We will not have an all-volunteer army" OUCH!!!! come on!!! seriously the man deserve no love. none at all.


and because its fun, 50 reasons why i find him hard to listen to:

50. "I promise you I will listen to what has been said here, even though I wasn't here." —at the President's Economic Forum in Waco, Texas, Aug. 13, 2002

49. "We spent a lot of time talking about Africa, as we should. Africa is a nation that suffers from incredible disease." —Gothenburg, Sweden, June 14, 2001

48. "You teach a child to read, and he or her will be able to pass a literacy test.'' —Townsend, Tenn., Feb. 21, 2001

47. "We both use Colgate toothpaste." —after a reporter asked what he had in common with British Prime Minister Tony Blair, Camp David, Md., Feb. 23, 2001

46. "Tribal sovereignty means that; it's sovereign. I mean, you're a — you've been given sovereignty, and you're viewed as a sovereign entity. And therefore the relationship between the federal government and tribes is one between sovereign entities." —Washington, D.C., Aug. 6, 2004 (Watch video)

45. "I glance at the headlines just to kind of get a flavor for what's moving. I rarely read the stories, and get briefed by people who are probably read the news themselves." —Washington, D.C., Sept. 21, 2003

44. "I'm the commander — see, I don't need to explain — I do not need to explain why I say things. That's the interesting thing about being president." —as quoted in Bob Woodward's Bush at War

43. "I am here to make an announcement that this Thursday, ticket counters and airplanes will fly out of Ronald Reagan Airport." —Washington, D.C., Oct. 3, 2001

42. "The war on terror involves Saddam Hussein because of the nature of Saddam Hussein, the history of Saddam Hussein, and his willingness to terrorize himself." —Grand Rapids, Mich., Jan. 29, 2003

41. "I saw a poll that said the right track/wrong track in Iraq was better than here in America. It's pretty darn strong. I mean, the people see a better future." —Washington, D.C., Sept. 23, 2004

40. "Oh, no, we're not going to have any casualties." —discussing the Iraq war with Christian Coalition founder Pat Robertson, as quoted by Robertson

39. "I hear there's rumors on the Internets that we're going to have a draft." —presidential debate, St. Louis, Mo., Oct. 8, 2004 (Watch video)

38. "Haven't we already given money to rich people? Why are we going to do it again?" —to economic advisers discussing a second round of tax cuts, as quoted by former Treasury Secretary Paul O'Neil, Washington, D.C., Nov. 26, 2002

37. "We need an energy bill that encourages consumption." —Trenton, N.J., Sept. 23, 2002

36. "After standing on the stage, after the debates, I made it very plain, we will not have an all-volunteer army." —Daytona Beach, Fla., Oct. 16, 2004 (Watch video)

35. "Do you have blacks, too?" —to Brazilian President Fernando Cardoso, Washington, D.C., Nov. 8, 2001

34. "This foreign policy stuff is a little frustrating." —as quoted by the New York Daily News, April 23, 2002

33. "I got to know Ken Lay when he was head of the — what they call the Governor's Business Council in Texas. He was a supporter of Ann Richards in my run in 1994. And she had named him the head of the Governor's Business Council. And I decided to leave him in place, just for the sake of continuity. And that's when I first got to know Ken and worked with Ken." —attempting to distance himself from his biggest political patron, Enron Chairman Ken Lay, whom he nicknamed "Kenny Boy," Washington, D.C., Jan. 10, 2002

32. "It is white." —after being asked by a child in Britain what the White House was like, July 19, 2001

31. "I couldn't imagine somebody like Osama bin Laden understanding the joy of Hanukkah." —at a White House menorah lighting ceremony, Washington, D.C., Dec. 10, 2001

30. "For every fatal shooting, there were roughly three non-fatal shootings. And, folks, this is unacceptable in America. It's just unacceptable. And we're going to do something about it." —Philadelphia, Penn., May 14, 2001

29. "I don't know why you're talking about Sweden. They're the neutral one. They don't have an army." —during a Dec. 2002 Oval Office meeting with Rep. Tom Lantos, as reported by the New York Times

28. "You forgot Poland." —to Sen. John Kerry during the first presidential debate, after Kerry failed to mention Poland's contributions to the Iraq war coalition, Miami, Fla., Sept. 30, 2004

27. "I'm the master of low expectations." —aboard Air Force One, June 4, 2003

26. "I'm also not very analytical. You know I don't spend a lot of time thinking about myself, about why I do things." —aboard Air Force One, June 4, 2003

25. "I know what I believe. I will continue to articulate what I believe and what I believe — I believe what I believe is right." —Rome, Italy, July 22, 2001

24. "We need to counter the shockwave of the evildoer by having individual rate cuts accelerated and by thinking about tax rebates." —Washington, D.C. Oct. 4, 2001

23. "People say, how can I help on this war against terror? How can I fight evil? You can do so by mentoring a child; by going into a shut-in's house and say I love you." —Washington, D.C., Sept. 19, 2002

22. "I wish you'd have given me this written question ahead of time so I could plan for it…I'm sure something will pop into my head here in the midst of this press conference, with all the pressure of trying to come up with answer, but it hadn't yet….I don't want to sound like I have made no mistakes. I'm confident I have. I just haven't — you just put me under the spot here, and maybe I'm not as quick on my feet as I should be in coming up with one." —President George W. Bush, after being asked to name the biggest mistake he had made, Washington, D.C., April 3, 2004

21. "The really rich people figure out how to dodge taxes anyway." —explaining why high taxes on the rich are a failed strategy, Annandale, Va., Aug. 9, 2004

20. "My plan reduces the national debt, and fast. So fast, in fact, that economists worry that we're going to run out of debt to retire." —radio address, Feb. 24, 2001

19. "You know, when I was one time campaigning in Chicago, a reporter said, 'Would you ever have a deficit?' I said, 'I can't imagine it, but there would be one if we had a war, or a national emergency, or a recession.' Never did I dream we'd get the trifecta." —Houston, Texas, June 14, 2002 (There is no evidence Bush ever made any such statement, despite recounting the trifecta line repeatedly in 2002. A search by the Washington Post revealed that the three caveats were brought up before the 2000 campaign — by Al Gore.)

18. "See, free nations are peaceful nations. Free nations don't attack each other. Free nations don't develop weapons of mass destruction." —Milwaukee, Wis., Oct. 3, 2003
(JIGGLYNOTE: As of 1998 the US had over 8,226 nuclear warheads. The US has been officially and unofficially at hot war nearly non-stop since the end of WWII.)

17. "The British government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa." —State of the Union Address, Jan. 28, 2003, making a claim that administration officials knew at the time to be false

16. "In Iraq, no doubt about it, it's tough. It's hard work. It's incredibly hard." —repeating the phrases "hard work," "working hard," "hard choices," and other "hard"-based verbiage 22 times in his first debate with Sen. John Kerry

15. "The most important thing is for us to find Osama bin Laden. It is our number one priority and we will not rest until we find him." —Washington, D.C., Sept. 13, 2001

14. "I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority." —Washington, D.C., March 13, 2002

13. "But all in all, it's been a fabulous year for Laura and me." —summing up his first year in office, three months after the 9/11 attacks, Washington, D.C., Dec. 20, 2001

12. "I try to go for longer runs, but it's tough around here at the White House on the outdoor track. It's sad that I can't run longer. It's one of the saddest things about the presidency." —interview with "Runners World," Aug. 2002

11. "Can we win? I don't think you can win it." —after being asked whether the war on terror was winnable, "Today" show interview, Aug. 30, 2004

10. "I just want you to know that, when we talk about war, we're really talking about peace." —Washington, D.C. June 18, 2002

9. "I trust God speaks through me. Without that, I couldn't do my job." —to a group of Amish he met with privately, July 9, 2004

8. "Major combat operations in Iraq have ended. In the battle of Iraq, the United States and our allies have prevailed." —speaking underneath a "Mission Accomplished" banner aboard the USS Abraham Lincoln, May 1, 2003

7. “We found the weapons of mass destruction. We found biological laboratories … And we'll find more weapons as time goes on. But for those who say we haven't found the banned manufacturing devices or banned weapons, they're wrong, we found them." —Washington, D.C., May 30, 2003

6. "Those weapons of mass destruction have got to be somewhere!" —President George W. Bush, joking about his administration's failure to find WMDs in Iraq as he narrated a comic slideshow during the Radio & TV Correspondents' Association dinner, Washington, D.C., March 24, 2004

5. "If this were a dictatorship, it'd be a heck of a lot easier, just so long as I'm the dictator." —Washington, D.C., Dec. 19, 2000

4. "There's an old saying in Tennessee — I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again." —Nashville, Tenn., Sept. 17, 2002 (Watch video)

3. "Too many good docs are getting out of the business. Too many OB-GYNs aren't able to practice their love with women all across this country." —Poplar Bluff, Mo., Sept. 6, 2004 (Watch video)

2. "Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we." —Washington, D.C., Aug. 5, 2004 (Watch video)

1. "Rarely is the question asked: Is our children learning?"- January 11, 2000

It really isn't the government's job to plan your retirement. If I want to keep my money and invest it instead of paying into a bankrupt Social Security fund I should have that option. :cool:

griffin
Apr 29th, 2005, 05:42 PM
It really isn't the government's job to plan your retirement. If I want to keep my money and invest it instead of paying into a bankrupt Social Security fund I should have that option. :cool:

Just because you're paying into the national saftey net doesn't mean you CAN'T invest your money - this is what kills me about Bush's rhetoric (or rather, that people let him get away with it). He repeats and repeats his line about how people should be able to have their own retirement accounts as if somehow IRA's and 401k's and a half-dozen other retirement savings plans didn't already exist.

No one is stopping anyone from saving/creating investment funds for their own retirement.

harloo
Apr 29th, 2005, 05:52 PM
It really isn't the government's job to plan your retirement. If I want to keep my money and invest it instead of paying into a bankrupt Social Security fund I should have that option. :cool:

The dilemma with privatization is Wall Street's interest in the situation. The stock market is a gamble, and I'm afraid that inexperienced citizens who decide to try a hand at investing will fail.

SS was a safety net created to protect our elderly and I see no reason to change the system. Investment may be a great alternative for someone who is finacially secure, but for those who are struggling the plan is disaterous. I am for privatization personally because I think I can benefit from it, but what about those who don't have the knowledge to turn their benefits into a profitable investment?

GW Bush is so ignorant to the lives of many Americans that his disconnect is apparent. When you are handed everything for all your life you have no concept of reality, so that's why noone is taken him seriously even as our President.

It's quite sad because most citizens regardless of partisanship shows some respect for the President. Bush has caused a deep divide amongst liberals and conservatives and that's not going to change anytime soon. ;)

Wigglytuff
Apr 29th, 2005, 05:56 PM
Just because you're paying into the national saftey net doesn't mean you CAN'T invest your money - this is what kills me about Bush's rhetoric (or rather, that people let him get away with it). He repeats and repeats his line about how people should be able to have their own retirement accounts as if somehow IRA's and 401k's and a half-dozen other retirement savings plans didn't already exist.

No one is stopping anyone from saving/creating investment funds for their own retirement.

yep!

tennislover
Apr 29th, 2005, 07:27 PM
that would be true, IF his plan would actually fix any of the problems with social security. most bi-partisan analysts say it will do little more than increase the national deficit (something bush enjoys doing), leave far less guaranteed benefits for younger Americans than they would receive if the system remained unchanged, and not to mention pandering to the wealthiest Americans.

and whats more, most Americans (republicans, democrats and third party goers alike) dont like his plan.

and on a personal note if anyone wants me, as a young person (under 30) to be excited at the prospect of paying more money and getting less guaranteed benefits they are grossly out of touch with reality (no pun intended)


well, therein lies your problem, hes not "president", hes Baby Bush :).

usually when someone wins both the popular vote and the electoral college they get to be president. before the man got into his unelected seat in the white house he was already starting his long running plan of making America an official oligarchy.

and then after not even being elected into office he has the nerve to say things like "We will not have an all-volunteer army" OUCH!!!! come on!!! seriously the man deserve no love. none at all.


and because its fun, 50 reasons why i find him hard to listen to:

50. "I promise you I will listen to what has been said here, even though I wasn't here." —at the President's Economic Forum in Waco, Texas, Aug. 13, 2002

49. "We spent a lot of time talking about Africa, as we should. Africa is a nation that suffers from incredible disease." —Gothenburg, Sweden, June 14, 2001

48. "You teach a child to read, and he or her will be able to pass a literacy test.'' —Townsend, Tenn., Feb. 21, 2001

47. "We both use Colgate toothpaste." —after a reporter asked what he had in common with British Prime Minister Tony Blair, Camp David, Md., Feb. 23, 2001

46. "Tribal sovereignty means that; it's sovereign. I mean, you're a — you've been given sovereignty, and you're viewed as a sovereign entity. And therefore the relationship between the federal government and tribes is one between sovereign entities." —Washington, D.C., Aug. 6, 2004 (Watch video)

45. "I glance at the headlines just to kind of get a flavor for what's moving. I rarely read the stories, and get briefed by people who are probably read the news themselves." —Washington, D.C., Sept. 21, 2003

44. "I'm the commander — see, I don't need to explain — I do not need to explain why I say things. That's the interesting thing about being president." —as quoted in Bob Woodward's Bush at War

43. "I am here to make an announcement that this Thursday, ticket counters and airplanes will fly out of Ronald Reagan Airport." —Washington, D.C., Oct. 3, 2001

42. "The war on terror involves Saddam Hussein because of the nature of Saddam Hussein, the history of Saddam Hussein, and his willingness to terrorize himself." —Grand Rapids, Mich., Jan. 29, 2003

41. "I saw a poll that said the right track/wrong track in Iraq was better than here in America. It's pretty darn strong. I mean, the people see a better future." —Washington, D.C., Sept. 23, 2004

40. "Oh, no, we're not going to have any casualties." —discussing the Iraq war with Christian Coalition founder Pat Robertson, as quoted by Robertson

39. "I hear there's rumors on the Internets that we're going to have a draft." —presidential debate, St. Louis, Mo., Oct. 8, 2004 (Watch video)

38. "Haven't we already given money to rich people? Why are we going to do it again?" —to economic advisers discussing a second round of tax cuts, as quoted by former Treasury Secretary Paul O'Neil, Washington, D.C., Nov. 26, 2002

37. "We need an energy bill that encourages consumption." —Trenton, N.J., Sept. 23, 2002

36. "After standing on the stage, after the debates, I made it very plain, we will not have an all-volunteer army." —Daytona Beach, Fla., Oct. 16, 2004 (Watch video)

35. "Do you have blacks, too?" —to Brazilian President Fernando Cardoso, Washington, D.C., Nov. 8, 2001

34. "This foreign policy stuff is a little frustrating." —as quoted by the New York Daily News, April 23, 2002

33. "I got to know Ken Lay when he was head of the — what they call the Governor's Business Council in Texas. He was a supporter of Ann Richards in my run in 1994. And she had named him the head of the Governor's Business Council. And I decided to leave him in place, just for the sake of continuity. And that's when I first got to know Ken and worked with Ken." —attempting to distance himself from his biggest political patron, Enron Chairman Ken Lay, whom he nicknamed "Kenny Boy," Washington, D.C., Jan. 10, 2002

32. "It is white." —after being asked by a child in Britain what the White House was like, July 19, 2001

31. "I couldn't imagine somebody like Osama bin Laden understanding the joy of Hanukkah." —at a White House menorah lighting ceremony, Washington, D.C., Dec. 10, 2001

30. "For every fatal shooting, there were roughly three non-fatal shootings. And, folks, this is unacceptable in America. It's just unacceptable. And we're going to do something about it." —Philadelphia, Penn., May 14, 2001

29. "I don't know why you're talking about Sweden. They're the neutral one. They don't have an army." —during a Dec. 2002 Oval Office meeting with Rep. Tom Lantos, as reported by the New York Times

28. "You forgot Poland." —to Sen. John Kerry during the first presidential debate, after Kerry failed to mention Poland's contributions to the Iraq war coalition, Miami, Fla., Sept. 30, 2004

27. "I'm the master of low expectations." —aboard Air Force One, June 4, 2003

26. "I'm also not very analytical. You know I don't spend a lot of time thinking about myself, about why I do things." —aboard Air Force One, June 4, 2003

25. "I know what I believe. I will continue to articulate what I believe and what I believe — I believe what I believe is right." —Rome, Italy, July 22, 2001

24. "We need to counter the shockwave of the evildoer by having individual rate cuts accelerated and by thinking about tax rebates." —Washington, D.C. Oct. 4, 2001

23. "People say, how can I help on this war against terror? How can I fight evil? You can do so by mentoring a child; by going into a shut-in's house and say I love you." —Washington, D.C., Sept. 19, 2002

22. "I wish you'd have given me this written question ahead of time so I could plan for it…I'm sure something will pop into my head here in the midst of this press conference, with all the pressure of trying to come up with answer, but it hadn't yet….I don't want to sound like I have made no mistakes. I'm confident I have. I just haven't — you just put me under the spot here, and maybe I'm not as quick on my feet as I should be in coming up with one." —President George W. Bush, after being asked to name the biggest mistake he had made, Washington, D.C., April 3, 2004

21. "The really rich people figure out how to dodge taxes anyway." —explaining why high taxes on the rich are a failed strategy, Annandale, Va., Aug. 9, 2004

20. "My plan reduces the national debt, and fast. So fast, in fact, that economists worry that we're going to run out of debt to retire." —radio address, Feb. 24, 2001

19. "You know, when I was one time campaigning in Chicago, a reporter said, 'Would you ever have a deficit?' I said, 'I can't imagine it, but there would be one if we had a war, or a national emergency, or a recession.' Never did I dream we'd get the trifecta." —Houston, Texas, June 14, 2002 (There is no evidence Bush ever made any such statement, despite recounting the trifecta line repeatedly in 2002. A search by the Washington Post revealed that the three caveats were brought up before the 2000 campaign — by Al Gore.)

18. "See, free nations are peaceful nations. Free nations don't attack each other. Free nations don't develop weapons of mass destruction." —Milwaukee, Wis., Oct. 3, 2003
(JIGGLYNOTE: As of 1998 the US had over 8,226 nuclear warheads. The US has been officially and unofficially at hot war nearly non-stop since the end of WWII.)

17. "The British government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa." —State of the Union Address, Jan. 28, 2003, making a claim that administration officials knew at the time to be false

16. "In Iraq, no doubt about it, it's tough. It's hard work. It's incredibly hard." —repeating the phrases "hard work," "working hard," "hard choices," and other "hard"-based verbiage 22 times in his first debate with Sen. John Kerry

15. "The most important thing is for us to find Osama bin Laden. It is our number one priority and we will not rest until we find him." —Washington, D.C., Sept. 13, 2001

14. "I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority." —Washington, D.C., March 13, 2002

13. "But all in all, it's been a fabulous year for Laura and me." —summing up his first year in office, three months after the 9/11 attacks, Washington, D.C., Dec. 20, 2001

12. "I try to go for longer runs, but it's tough around here at the White House on the outdoor track. It's sad that I can't run longer. It's one of the saddest things about the presidency." —interview with "Runners World," Aug. 2002

11. "Can we win? I don't think you can win it." —after being asked whether the war on terror was winnable, "Today" show interview, Aug. 30, 2004

10. "I just want you to know that, when we talk about war, we're really talking about peace." —Washington, D.C. June 18, 2002

9. "I trust God speaks through me. Without that, I couldn't do my job." —to a group of Amish he met with privately, July 9, 2004

8. "Major combat operations in Iraq have ended. In the battle of Iraq, the United States and our allies have prevailed." —speaking underneath a "Mission Accomplished" banner aboard the USS Abraham Lincoln, May 1, 2003

7. “We found the weapons of mass destruction. We found biological laboratories … And we'll find more weapons as time goes on. But for those who say we haven't found the banned manufacturing devices or banned weapons, they're wrong, we found them." —Washington, D.C., May 30, 2003

6. "Those weapons of mass destruction have got to be somewhere!" —President George W. Bush, joking about his administration's failure to find WMDs in Iraq as he narrated a comic slideshow during the Radio & TV Correspondents' Association dinner, Washington, D.C., March 24, 2004

5. "If this were a dictatorship, it'd be a heck of a lot easier, just so long as I'm the dictator." —Washington, D.C., Dec. 19, 2000

4. "There's an old saying in Tennessee — I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again." —Nashville, Tenn., Sept. 17, 2002 (Watch video)

3. "Too many good docs are getting out of the business. Too many OB-GYNs aren't able to practice their love with women all across this country." —Poplar Bluff, Mo., Sept. 6, 2004 (Watch video)

2. "Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we." —Washington, D.C., Aug. 5, 2004 (Watch video)

1. "Rarely is the question asked: Is our children learning?"- January 11, 2000

great job,mate.... :eek: :worship:
maybe you love him a lot in your subconscious, if you can quote 50 of his sentences......... ;)
to be honest i don't find that bad most of them....... :rolleyes:
....and surely Bush senior and junior are by far better than
CLINTON :tape: :tape: :tape:

PaulieM
Apr 29th, 2005, 07:47 PM
clinton was a thousand times better!!!! :rocker2: he had a brain!

Wigglytuff
Apr 29th, 2005, 07:56 PM
great job,mate.... :eek: :worship:
maybe you love him a lot in your subconscious, if you can quote 50 of his sentences......... ;)
to be honest i don't find that bad most of them....... :rolleyes:
....and surely Bush senior and junior are by far better than
CLINTON :tape: :tape: :tape:

1-google search. all i did was change the order and a few of my favs

2-i will pay pal anyone 50 american cents if they can find any quote from any other american president, where said president says:

1. "Rarely is the question asked: Is our children learning?"- January 11, 2000

3-i will pay pal $2 american to anyone who can compile a list of 50 similarly bad clinton quotes.

here is one to get you all started "i did not have sexual relations with that woman"

there are at least 7 books filled cover to cover with "bushisms", at least one 365 day to day bushism calender, and at least one bushism dvd. so asking for 50 "clintonism" shouldnt be hard for someone who claims they are so numerous. :bounce:

4-please note that i think all politicians are lying liars, but bush is something special.

griffin
Apr 29th, 2005, 08:05 PM
Yes, lying about threats to our national security to justify a war - misplanned and mishandled by your appointees - that has killed thousands is so much better than lying about getting a blow job :rolleyes:

Clinton was a dog, but he was a good dog.

Rocketta
Apr 29th, 2005, 08:21 PM
bush sr or jr couldn't even hold Clinton's jockstrap. :tape:

tennislover
Apr 29th, 2005, 11:03 PM
I don't care about Clinton sexual activity, I think he was a real showman with a huge ego..... :rolleyes:
consider Bush senior: a real gentleman, a reliable, responsible man......
what a different style!

tennislover
Apr 29th, 2005, 11:09 PM
1-google search. all i did was change the order and a few of my favs

2-i will pay pal anyone 50 american cents if they can find any quote from any other american president, where said president says:



3-i will pay pal $2 american to anyone who can compile a list of 50 similarly bad clinton quotes.

here is one to get you all started "i did not have sexual relations with that woman"

there are at least 7 books filled cover to cover with "bushisms", at least one 365 day to day bushism calender, and at least one bushism dvd. so asking for 50 "clintonism" shouldnt be hard for someone who claims they are so numerous. :bounce:

4-please note that i think all politicians are lying liars, but bush is something special.

if you are a politician, what you do is more important than what you say..... :rolleyes:

Wigglytuff
Apr 30th, 2005, 12:23 AM
if you are a politician, what you do is more important than what you say..... :rolleyes:
uhmmm ok. :confused: (way to dodge)

well then, feel free to list 50 things bush has DONE that makes him a better president than clinton...

here are is one to get you started:

in his youth clinton tried (but did not inhale :lol: ) weed.
in his youth bush smoked crack and regularly drove drunk.

Wigglytuff
Apr 30th, 2005, 12:27 AM
bush sr or jr couldn't even hold Clinton's jockstrap. :tape:

lol, that was so vulgar.

PaulieM
Apr 30th, 2005, 01:02 AM
oooh i'll help! things that make bush awesome :tape:
1. he managed to get elected the first time around without actually getting the most votes(that's pretty damn sweet ;))
2. he lied about reasons to start a war which has killed people for absolutely no reason
3. the economy has gone to crap
4. he's created the hugest deficit in a long time
5. he's alienated foreign leaders
6. he told the UN that what he thought was more important, only to go back begging for their help
7. he signed the patriot act which basically steals everybody's rights so he can do whatever he wants
sounds like a winner to me! feel free to add to the list! :D

Rocketta
Apr 30th, 2005, 01:48 AM
8. under him the value of the $ went in the toilet..

Zippy
Apr 30th, 2005, 02:30 AM
FOOT_FAULT, I commend you :worship:

You can get 30+ replies/responces to a thread that started as simply whining about Bush intererupting your "Prime Time Television". And look I me; I cant even get a single responce to why we (myself and my fellow brothers in arms) are out here fighting in Iraq. I probably was thinking completely backards in order of importance, but I feel I'm starting to get it now. ;)

Wigglytuff
Apr 30th, 2005, 06:13 AM
8 thats all you guys can come up with? bush has got to have done more than that!

~CANUCK~
Apr 30th, 2005, 06:35 AM
8. under him the value of the $ went in the toilet..

The canadian dollar hasn't been this good in years thx to bush ;)

tennislover
Apr 30th, 2005, 12:35 PM
HE FREED IRAQ FROM SADDAM

(case closed)

Lord Nelson
Apr 30th, 2005, 01:28 PM
I won't list 50 things, I have better things to do than that. But I will name a few. Bush got rid of the Taliban, Saddam, Charles Taylor, Aristide. He is against gay marriages as is most European nations including Switzerland where I live. He is tough on crime and terrorism unlike here in Europe where suspected terrorists are given no or few years of imprisonment. The most notorious case. Abu Qatada who is considered the spiritual head of al Queda in Europe has been freed on probation in Britain.
If one wants 50 arguments than I'm willing to give them but not on this message board. If one of you are in the area than we can go for a coffee and discuss this during our free time.

Wigglytuff
Apr 30th, 2005, 02:34 PM
HE FREED IRAQ FROM SADDAM

(case closed)

how is that fifty. by my count, to free only one action. what grade are you in?

so thats only 9 things. thanx.

anyway, i would like to add to the list
10-and managed to do so at a billion dollar cost to the poorest Americans while offer more taxes cuts to the wealthiest Americans since...forever. (supply side Jesus would be so proud)
11-he cut funding for programs serving homeless children to help fund the murder of Iraqi children (and freeing). (now that's something Jesus would do :) )
12-gas prices in America are the highest they have been in forever. (now if only bush was an oil man, i am sure he would have made millions of these high gas prices his war cause
13-he allowed the mass genocide in parts of Africa to go unchecked (its good to know that millions of Africans dying needlessly are not any where near as important as Saddam.)

PaulieM
Apr 30th, 2005, 02:50 PM
14. imprisoning and trying people in guantanamo bay without officially charging them, where they are not given due process, and without having to disclose the details to the public

Wigglytuff
Apr 30th, 2005, 03:39 PM
I won't list 50 things, I have better things to do than that. But I will name a few. Bush got rid of the Taliban, Saddam, Charles Taylor, Aristide. He is against gay marriages as is most European nations including Switzerland where I live. He is tough on crime and terrorism unlike here in Europe where suspected terrorists are given no or few years of imprisonment. The most notorious case. Abu Qatada who is considered the spiritual head of al Queda has been freed on probation in Britain.
If one wants 50 arguments than I'm willing to give them but not on this message board. If one of you are in the area than we can go for a coffee and discuss this during our free time.
:rolleyes:
whatever, its a group effort. if you cant contribute, don't come in here with your "tough on terror" lies.

i mean, i dont know if you heard but bush is soooo tough on terror that under his presidency the US suffered the worst terrorist attacks ever, and its not like they didn't have warning. if the man had read ANY of the terror briefs the Clinton administration1 left them he would have been able to at least KNOW what the terrorist were planning. but he is sooo tough on terror that he was on fucking vacation the first nine months on office and gifted al qaeda at least 41 million US tax dollars in may of 2001. and then he flew osama bin ladens 14 relatives out of the country in the hours and days after the towers fell when no American was allowed to fly. (all facts from the non-partisan 9/11 commission report)

all of this in the official 9/11 commission report that he fought hard against (in spite of the wishes of survivors and relatives of survivors of the attacks). and to this very day, bush has ignored most of the commission recommendations, and continues to promote and reward those who in the months leading up to the attacks ignored the Clinton staffers, and their warnings about the pending attacks.

Clinton staffers are bunch a @#%$& for quitting because the bush administration was working so hard to do absolutely nothing about terror issues for months. i really feel that they should have found a way to make something happen rather the quit en masse

http://www.9-11commission.gov/

http://www.9-11commission.gov/report/911Report.pdf

ps. if you are not in the states, just out of curiosity, how are you getting your info?

Wigglytuff
Apr 30th, 2005, 03:42 PM
14. imprisoning and trying people in guantanamo bay without officially charging them, where they are not given due process, and without having to disclose the details to the public

thats true but clinton did that too. maybe bush did it more brazenly?

Rocketta
Apr 30th, 2005, 04:24 PM
15. Cut federal aid to states leaving them in a financial quagmire....

BlazeII
Apr 30th, 2005, 05:25 PM
I won't list 50 things, I have better things to do than that. But I will name a few. Bush got rid of the Taliban, Saddam, Charles Taylor, Aristide. He is against gay marriages as is most European nations including Switzerland where I live. He is tough on crime and terrorism unlike here in Europe where suspected terrorists are given no or few years of imprisonment. The most notorious case. Abu Qatada who is considered the spiritual head of al Queda has been freed on probation in Britain.
If one wants 50 arguments than I'm willing to give them but not on this message board. If one of you are in the area than we can go for a coffee and discuss this during our free time.

Can't comment on the rest but I am a Liberian and in no way did Bush get rid of Charles Taylor. That was the UN. America only sent in like 50 troops and within 2 months they were gone claiming an outbreak of "Malaria".

Lord Nelson
Apr 30th, 2005, 06:25 PM
Just because we are not Liberian does not mean that we know nothing about the country. We follow news too. As you know Liberia has historical links with the U.S. It was the U.S. that pressured Taylor to step down and there were U.S. troops in Monrovia who were either part of the U.N. as you said or part of U.S. command. The truth is it was Bush who was the prime reason that Taylor left. As the U.S. had deep ties with Liberia. it was the U.S and not France, UK who along with Nigeria convinced Taylor to leave power. Other nations gave cosmetic help under UN command (or was it ECOWAS?).

hey Jiggy, I write here if I want to, comprendo. If it annoys you what I write than I suggest that you put me on the ignore list. I know that a few people have put you on their ignore list. I don't believe in censorship so I welcome your comments if they are constructive. If not than perhaps I will do what your 'friends' did. It also amuses me to see where you get your sources from. Yeah right, Michael Moore knows best. :lol:

Wigglytuff
Apr 30th, 2005, 07:06 PM
Just because we are not Liberian does not mean that we know nothing about the country. We follow news too. S yyou know Liberia has historical links with the U.S. It was the U.S. that pressured Taylor to step down and there were U.S. troops in Monrovia who were either part of the U.N. as you said or part of U.S. command. The truth is it was Bush who was the prime reason that Taylor left. As the U.S. had deep ties with Liberia. it was the U.S and not France, UK who along with Nigeria convinced Taylor to leave power. Other nations gave cosmetic help under UN command.

hey Jiggy, I write here if I want to, comprendo. If it annoys you what I write than I suggest that you put me on the ignore list. I know that a few people have put you on their ignore list. I don't believe in censorship so I welcome your comments if they are constructive. If not than perhaps I will do what your 'friends' did. It also amuses me to see where you get your sources from. Yeah right, Michael Moore knows best. :lol:

what the hell are you talking about?

http://www.oneworld.net/ezimagecatalogue/catalogue/variations/11601-400x500.gif
9/11 commission report - my source - non living thing - a report - free

http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/38262000/jpg/_38262768_michael_moore150ap.jpg
michael moore - not my source - living thing (a fat guy who makes movies) - not a report, not even a reporter - not free, but kind of cheap sometimes

i dont think anyone but you is stupid enough to confuse the two.

Lord Nelson
Apr 30th, 2005, 07:19 PM
I did not read all of the 9/11 commission report but I doubt that it mentioned that osama bin laden's 14 relatives had U.S. government flown them out of the country in the hours and days after the towers fell when no American was allowed to fly. That is more Moore's crap. Can someone else confirm this because I cannot take seriously what Jig says. In any case the 9/11 commission faults both Democrat and Republican administrations but perhaps you did not realize this if you really did read the report.
By the way I like how you claim to be tolerant but trash Jesus. You can be atheist which is good but learn to be tolerant. I'm against gay marriages but by no means am I homophobic.

tennislover
Apr 30th, 2005, 08:05 PM
how is that fifty. by my count, to free only one action. what grade are you in?

so thats only 9 things. thanx.

anyway, i would like to add to the list
10-and managed to do so at a billion dollar cost to the poorest Americans while offer more taxes cuts to the wealthiest Americans since...forever. (supply side Jesus would be so proud)
11-he cut funding for programs serving homeless children to help fund the murder of Iraqi children (and freeing). (now that's something Jesus would do :) )
12-gas prices in America are the highest they have been in forever. (now if only bush was an oil man, i am sure he would have made millions of these high gas prices his war cause
13-he allowed the mass genocide in parts of Africa to go unchecked (its good to know that millions of Africans dying needlessly are not any where near as important as Saddam.)


one action yes but it is 100 actions worth.........

tennislover
Apr 30th, 2005, 08:08 PM
folks, I don't mean that bush is flawless and an angel...no one is perfect
but IMHO he is not the horrible, ignorant, sadic monster as most of you consider him............
in general i think is a pretty good president....

Wigglytuff
Apr 30th, 2005, 08:25 PM
I did not read all of the 9/11 commission report but I doubt that it mentioned that osama bin laden's 14 relatives had U.S. government flown them out of the country in the hours and days after the towers fell when no American was allowed to fly. That is more Moore's crap. Can someone else confirm this because I cannot take seriously what Jig says. In any case the 9/11 commission faults both Democrat and Republican administrations but perhaps you did not realize this if you really did read the report.
By the way I like how you claim to be tolerant but trash Jesus. You can be atheist which is good but learn to be tolerant. I'm against gay marriages but by no means am I homophobic.

now you know you didnt read that report...

as to who gets faulted, firstly the report does not try to blame anyone. its says so in the preface:
"We have sought to be independent, impartial, thorough, and nonpartisan. From the outset, we have been committed to share as much of our investigation as we can with the American people. To that end, we held 19 days of hearings and took public testimony from 160 witnesses. Our aim has not been to assign individual blame." (xv-xvi)

secondly, i have already expressed my resentment at the failures of the clinton staffers.

finally,
"These flights were screened by law enforcement officials, primarily the FBI. For, example one flight, the so-called Bin Ladin flight, departed the United States on September 20 with 26 passengers, most of them relatives of Usama Bin Ladin." Page 557 of the commission report.

somehow i thought they were flown out on the 12th, but it was the 20th.

Wigglytuff
Apr 30th, 2005, 08:28 PM
one action yes but it is 100 actions worth.........
:scratch:

Lord Nelson
Apr 30th, 2005, 10:54 PM
now you know you didnt read that report...

as to who gets faulted, firstly the report does not try to blame anyone. its says so in the preface:
"We have sought to be independent, impartial, thorough, and nonpartisan. From the outset, we have been committed to share as much of our investigation as we can with the American people. To that end, we held 19 days of hearings and took public testimony from 160 witnesses. Our aim has not been to assign individual blame." (xv-xvi)

secondly, i have already expressed my resentment at the failures of the clinton staffers.

finally,
"These flights were screened by law enforcement officials, primarily the FBI. For, example one flight, the so-called Bin Ladin flight, departed the United States on September 20 with 26 passengers, most of them relatives of Usama Bin Ladin." Page 557 of the commission report.

somehow i thought they were flown out on the 12th, but it was the 20th.
ok, thanks for the quote. I learned something. Having said that, planes were grounded for only a few days. By the 20th of September, I believe that planes were allowed to fly. In any case I won't shed tears for bin laden familly members who were booted out of the U.S. A lot of them support Osmama. Good riddance.

Hulet
Apr 30th, 2005, 11:10 PM
Well, I think a speech by a President of U.S. (or any other country) is more important that some silly reality show. Frustrating really to see some Americans don't bother to inform themselves about the world or even about their country and, when some incident wakes them up from their complacency, they appear to act as if they are an expert in international diplomacy. :some-serious-rolling-of-the-eye:

:sad: & :lol: at the same time at the mentioning of the kidnapping of Aristide, a democratically elected president, as some sort honourable act.

Wigglytuff
May 1st, 2005, 03:14 PM
ok, thanks for the quote. I learned something. Having said that, planes were grounded for only a few days. By the 20th of September, I believe that planes were allowed to fly. In any case I won't shed tears for bin laden familly members who were booted out of the U.S. A lot of them support Osmama. Good riddance.
:rolleyes:
they were not booted out.

they were fly out in special planes while osama was on americas most wanted list without being questioned.

a man is responsible for the death of 3000 people, and you are happy abput flying out his relatives in a what might have as well been private plane without questioning them? that rich.

Lord Nelson
May 1st, 2005, 09:11 PM
as long as if they are out of the country I don't care. Good riddance dust bin ladens. I don't care if they are booted out by private plane, public plane or whatever as long as they are out. By the way how do you know that they were not questioned, they were. Since you like wikipedia so much, type bin laden family and an exteral link to New Yorker magazine (no friend of cons) talks about bin laden's youngest brother who said that he was routinley questioned by the Americans. So that makes 2 things that you got wrong. 1) On September 20, planes were no longer grounded, when bin laden families were booted out. 2) bin Laden family members were questioned by American authorities.