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!<blocparty>!
Apr 25th, 2005, 03:30 PM
I gave blood today, and found out on the various forms you fill in that gay men cannot give blood. I had read this before (briefly) but didnt take much notice.

I asked the guy taking mine, and he went on for half an hour, he had a gay brother too, apparently. I got a leaflet off him and heres what it says:

We ask gay men not to give blood because gay men, as a group, are known to be at an increased risk of aquiring HIV and a number of other sexually transmitted infections, many of which are carried in the blood.

It is specific behaviours, rather than being gay, which places gay men at increased risk of HIV infection. Safer sex will keep most men free from infection, however, research shows that allowing gay men as a group to donate blood would increase the risk of HIV infected blood entering the blood supply.

:retard:

¤CharlDa¤
Apr 25th, 2005, 03:39 PM
:rolleyes: Talk about stereotypes

Avid Merrion
Apr 25th, 2005, 03:40 PM
it's the same up in Scotland too. the various restrictions to giving blood are astonishing. it amazes me that they have anyone left to donate to be quite honest :lol:

but yeah, to answer the poll, i give blood on a fairly regular basis. last time about 2 weeks ago :angel:

~Cherry*Blossom~
Apr 25th, 2005, 03:42 PM
It's the same everywhere in the UK.

I was watching Trisha on Channel 5 last week (probably the only one :tape: ) and people in the crowd were shouting at the gay man, saying that it's not allowed for gay men to give blood and stuf like that.

!<blocparty>!
Apr 25th, 2005, 03:43 PM
what amazed me though is Tim Love, some wanker who smokes like a chimney, eats shit all the time, does drugs, is overweight could give it :confused:

Bezz
Apr 25th, 2005, 03:43 PM
What about bisexuals? :confused:

Grachka
Apr 25th, 2005, 03:56 PM
The Scottish Blood Transfusion Service is a silly organisation, who refuses blood at the drop of a hat. And then moans about the lack of blood they have :rolleyes:

I try to give blood fairly regularly. However, last time I was refused on the grounds that my arm was too blotchy and may risk infection. However, it was not infection it was one of the daily allergic reactions that I get ALL of my life that has been cleared by the doctor. But she flatly refused so I stormed out in a fury.

An insight into my exciting life :p

Needless to say that the SBTS made an appeal for more blood in the Edinburgh area a mere two weeks later as their stocks were low :rolleyes:

Monica_Rules
Apr 25th, 2005, 03:58 PM
When i tried to give blood( i couldn't cos i have a heart murmur) the form said that if you were a gay man and had anal sex you couldn't give blood.Not that if you were a gay man. Has it changed since then?

I'm not gay so it wouldn;t affect me just the heart problem stops me.

Brαm
Apr 25th, 2005, 04:13 PM
It's the same here in Belgium I think. It's a silly rule. I mean, how can they check your sexuality? :shrug:

DevilishAttitude
Apr 25th, 2005, 04:17 PM
Does it really matter :shrug: Surely there's more to worry about than if your gay and unable to give blood. Is !<bloc_party>! gay :confused:

And I'm not old enough to give blood but have no plans to when I can. Only for family & friends who really need it :)

CooCooCachoo
Apr 25th, 2005, 04:24 PM
Statistically they can probably prove that the odds of a gay man being infected with HIV or other STDs is significantly higher than that of a heterosexual man.

But at the same time, I think it could be proven that the odds of a man being infected are much higher than that of a woman.
Or maybe that the odds of blondes (they have more fun, so they say) being infected are considerably greater than that of red-haired or brunettes.

Does that mean we should only let blonde, heterosexual women donate blood? :retard:

King Aaron
Apr 25th, 2005, 04:36 PM
I will donate blood later on this year. :)

canadian_bass_2
Apr 25th, 2005, 05:15 PM
Its the same thing in canada. There is a question on the form that asks if you have ever had sex with a male since a certain year, i think its some time in the 80's.

!<blocparty>!
Apr 25th, 2005, 05:33 PM
Statistically they can probably prove that the odds of a gay man being infected with HIV or other STDs is significantly higher than that of a heterosexual man.

But at the same time, I think it could be proven that the odds of a man being infected are much higher than that of a woman.
Or maybe that the odds of blondes (they have more fun, so they say) being infected are considerably greater than that of red-haired or brunettes.

Does that mean we should only let blonde, heterosexual women donate blood? :retard:

Good point :) Another girl gave today and she's known as the biggest bike in the sixth form :tape: And she gives blow jobs to someone every weekend :shrug: What about them? Or the hetero man whores?

Kart
Apr 25th, 2005, 05:38 PM
I've given blood before but refuse to now because of the discrimination against homosexual men which I think is uncalled for.

I think it's ridiculous - if you're involved in low risk activities and have a clean bill of health there's no reason why you shouldn't give blood.

I get very irritated now when they complain that blood stores are low, it's their own fault :mad:.

Avid Merrion
Apr 25th, 2005, 06:38 PM
Good point :) Another girl gave today and she's known as the biggest bike in the sixth form :tape: And she gives blow jobs to someone every weekend :shrug: What about them? Or the hetero man whores?
well the blood is screened for anything before it's given to anyone, so obviously if these people have anything nasty floating in their blood it won't (or at least, shouldn't) be used. therefore all they've done is waste the time and money of the blood transfusion service.

but yeah, the criteria people need to fit to be able to give blood is excessive imo. the last few times i've donated, i've had to tell a little fib on the form :lol: because i get acupuncture done at a private non-NHS clinic, i don't meet the criteria :rolleyes: the clinic have been fighting for years for the BTS to accept people who have had acupuncture treatment there but with no success. so the acupuncturist has advised us not not mention it ;) shhhh, don't tell anyone :lol:

!<blocparty>!
Apr 25th, 2005, 06:42 PM
well the blood is screened for anything before it's given to anyone, so obviously if these people have anything nasty floating in their blood it won't (or at least, shouldn't) be used. therefore all they've done is waste the time and money of the blood transfusion service.

but yeah, the criteria people need to fit to be able to give blood is excessive imo. the last few times i've donated, i've had to tell a little fib on the form :lol: because i get acupuncture done at a private non-NHS clinic, i don't meet the criteria :rolleyes: the clinic have been fighting for years for the BTS to accept people who have had acupuncture treatment there but with no success. so the acupuncturist has advised us not not mention it ;) shhhh, don't tell anyone :lol:

:eek: Did I mention my dad was director of the Scottish Blood Transfusion Service?

Why don't they ask people, gay, transexual whatever to fill in a quesionaire before the test, then draw conclusions of how many peoples blood gets discarded from them? That would make much more sense.

Avid Merrion
Apr 25th, 2005, 06:45 PM
:lol: it's the only question i've ever fibbed about on the form, honest :angel:
i was just so pissed off the first time i was honest about it and they turned me away. after all, they had sent a letter asking me to come in and donate then turn me away for a really stupid reason :lol:

!<blocparty>!
Apr 25th, 2005, 06:50 PM
OK ;)

Wouldnt the people that are "sensible" enough to spend 45 minutes of their time giving blood, realising how important it is doing so, be more likely to have safe sex than the people who would never consider giving it in the first place?

And how many infected with STD's would be dumb enough to even turn up and donate anyway? :confused:

Mase
Apr 25th, 2005, 06:53 PM
Im gay and do it all the time... ;)

griffin
Apr 25th, 2005, 06:59 PM
Good point :) Another girl gave today and she's known as the biggest bike in the sixth form :tape: And she gives blow jobs to someone every weekend :shrug: What about them? Or the hetero man whores?

Exactly - that's the kind of thing they should be asking about: behavior, not identity, and it needs to be based in science not supposition. Who do you think is a bigger risk? Some gay man who's been in a monogamous relationship for years, or some guy who identifies as straight but stops off for quickies in the park on the way home to the wife and kids?

The virus doens't care who you are, it takes advantage of what you do.

deja_entendu
Apr 25th, 2005, 07:58 PM
I think it's the whole wear and tear issue from getting fucked up the ass, but to be perfectly honest I know plenty of girls who take it from behind more than my gay friends and I :tape:

Cariaoke
Apr 25th, 2005, 08:39 PM
that's incredibly stupid because I learned through my class' sex survey that 25% of my fellow classmates had participated in anal activities including analingus and intercourse, most of whom identified themselves as straight. a lot of these technical virgins take it up the ass regularly but there's no way to "screen" them out. and the assumption that gay guys ONLY have anal sex is ludicrous. I heard that fellatio was the common practice.

gentenaire
Apr 25th, 2005, 08:41 PM
It's a very silly rule and I certainly hope it'll change in the future. All samples are tested anyway, so there is no real risk. The only risk is that they may end up with a few more blood samples they can't use.

I don't think you should boycot blood donating though, because then you punish the people who need the blood, not the ones who came up with that silly rule.

I have donated twice, both times I got a letter back saying I'm severely anemic. They couldn't use my blood either, another wasted sample. In any case, I'm not supposed to give any more blood since I don't have enough for myself ;)

veryborednow
Apr 25th, 2005, 08:42 PM
My friends are medical students, and they've been told that there's an actual medical reason for it, not just increased risk of HIV/Aids. Now admittedly, they're rubbish medical students - and couldn't give the actual reason. But they were adament.

alexusjonesfan
Apr 25th, 2005, 08:47 PM
Its the same thing in canada. There is a question on the form that asks if you have ever had sex with a male since a certain year, i think its some time in the 80's.

There are some bizarre questions on that form...Have you spent more than 3 months in the UK, have you been to Europe, has anyone in your family ever eaten red meat from France ;), were you born outside Canada and IIRC there's even a question for women who've had sex with a man who's admitted to having sex with other men since some year :lol: I tried giving blood once, but the questionnaire had way too many weird conditions like that and the nurse advised me to get documentation stating that my blood was 'clean' because of my 'history'. Yeah and then they complain about people not donating enough :rolleyes:

!<blocparty>!
Apr 25th, 2005, 08:48 PM
My friends are medical students, and they've been told that there's an actual medical reason for it, not just increased risk of HIV/Aids. Now admittedly, they're rubbish medical students - and couldn't give the actual reason. But they were adament.

care to take a guess what it is? how can you be a rubbish medical student anyway? :confused:

!<blocparty>!
Apr 25th, 2005, 08:54 PM
Does it really matter :shrug: Surely there's more to worry about than if your gay and unable to give blood.

Like, http://www.wtaworld.com/showthread.php?t=162513 ?

Is !<bloc_party>! gay :confused:

I'm not a man whore, yet.

And I'm not old enough to give blood but have no plans to when I can. Only for family & friends who really need it :)

Why, am I not surprised? :shrug: :lol: So, what'll happen if you have a accident some day and need an emergency blood transfusion. Are they going to call your family, blood test them all, sample them to see what ones match, in, 10 minutes?

veryborednow
Apr 25th, 2005, 08:55 PM
care to take a guess what it is? how can you be a rubbish medical student anyway? :confused:
Trust me, these are the people who failed 3 tests today alone. Off the top of my head - and my knowledge of mangaysex is limited - but possibly something to do with rippage - is there rippage? This did sound more convincing when we were drunk. I'll ask when I see them tomorrow.

!<blocparty>!
Apr 25th, 2005, 09:00 PM
Trust me, these are the people who failed 3 tests today alone. Off the top of my head - and my knowledge of mangaysex is limited - but possibly something to do with rippage - is there rippage? This did sound more convincing when we were drunk. I'll ask when I see them tomorrow.

But, what about everyone else who takes it up the arse? *see rokkstars post*

And, what difference can rippage have on blood?

veryborednow
Apr 25th, 2005, 09:05 PM
That's a very good point, keep listing those and I'll ask them in the morning.

And to answer the question, I cannot give blood for one year because of having non-NHS acupuncture. Not that I would anyway, squeemish.

Avid Merrion
Apr 25th, 2005, 09:12 PM
And to answer the question, I cannot give blood for one year because of having non-NHS acupuncture. Not that I would anyway, squeemish.
you can if you keep that info to yourself, i did ;)

Snuffkin
Apr 25th, 2005, 09:13 PM
A friend of mine recently went for a mortgage and was asked all sorts of questions about his 'lifestyle'. When he told me about this, I was horrified that such discrimination was displayed. I then mentioned that similar questions are asked when people go to give blood and he informed me that he couldn't give, for whatever reasons. But I was absolutely disgusted that his mortgage was judged on what he got upto in private and with whom.

As for giving blood, I do so regularly. Whatever my viewpoint on the discrimination, it's still needed and I can still give it. The most exciting question I get is if I'm pregnant or not. Or if there's a chance I could be. Oh, my nun-like existence!

griffin
Apr 25th, 2005, 09:19 PM
The rippage issue is that if tissue rips - even a little - it's easier for the virus to be transmitted.

That said, while rippage is more an issue with anal sex (because the tissue there wasn't built to take a pounding), boy bums are no more prone to rippage than girl bums.

SJW
Apr 25th, 2005, 09:27 PM
cuz heterosexuals dont have STDs or anything right?

i have weird views about giving blood. i dont like the idea of having other peoples blood flowing through my body, but i guess if i was on my death bed i would want to be helped out. i would like to help out people dying and stuff, but i have a phobia of having things such as organs taken out of my body and put in other people. i hate needles and surgery.

!<blocparty>!
Apr 25th, 2005, 10:00 PM
I hate surgery but am OK with needles, unless I look @ them, then i'm gone. Today was OK, i just felt a little prick, the worst part was feeling the vein in your hand pumping around :mad: but you had a little wooden thing to rotate, and a lovely man talking to you about afro hair :unsure:

Avid Merrion
Apr 25th, 2005, 10:08 PM
i just felt a little prick
:haha: :p

!<blocparty>!
Apr 25th, 2005, 10:10 PM
:haha: :p

LMAO, i KNEW someone would pick up on that. Guess who I thought of as soon as I wrote it? :p

:o

Avid Merrion
Apr 25th, 2005, 10:13 PM
LMAO, i KNEW someone would pick up on that. Guess who I thought of as soon as I wrote it? :p

:o
:lol: like i'd let that one pass without comment :p

!<blocparty>!
Apr 25th, 2005, 10:18 PM
:lol: like i'd let that one pass without comment :p

completely off topic but dad has just got a job working in Llandewi Brefi, and he went to inspect some site there the other day and got lost, spent 2 hours driving around. The signs had been nicked, again :lol:

PaulieM
Apr 25th, 2005, 10:49 PM
they have all kinds of restrictions for everybody. you can't give blood if you've lived in africa for a certain amount of time,etc. in fact a new thing that's been happening a lot is people refusing to hire doctors who have been working in places where HIV rates are high. yes it sucks that they stereotype but as of now the facts are that the risks of HIV are higher in certain groups, and as far as blood donors goes they are only trying to do their best to prevent other people from getting infected. it might not be right, but until the risks go down among these groups they aren't going to change their policies.

PaulieM
Apr 25th, 2005, 10:50 PM
as for me giving bloods, i probably couldn't because i've visited africa recently blah blah blah, but i pretty much get light headed and pass out when i get blood drawn, so it wouldn't be a good idea anyway.

beauty_is_pink
Apr 25th, 2005, 10:54 PM
first time was in March :)

mboyle
Apr 25th, 2005, 11:06 PM
Unfortunately, that's probably a smart thing to do if you can't afford to give everyone a STD test.

!<blocparty>!
Apr 25th, 2005, 11:46 PM
Does anyone know the percentage of people who actually know they're carrying a STD?

Like I said, the people that tend to give blood in the first place are those with some sense and are willing to give something, to what they may need in emergencies. How many people carrying STD's would give it anyway? How many would turn up and donate knowing in the back of their mind they've had unprotected sexual intercoarse?

And besides, someone turning up with a STD, not knowing they have it, filling out the forms with no hint at all, would have they're blood checked anyway :confused:

edit :retard: sTJ.

AjdeNate!
Apr 25th, 2005, 11:53 PM
I like my blood just where it is in. Inside me. :p

Scotso
Apr 26th, 2005, 05:35 AM
I'm gay and not supposed to give blood, so I don't. Not because I'm not supposed to, but because if they're going to discriminate against me, I wouldn't dream of helping out.

I have the rare blood type, too.

bis2806
Apr 26th, 2005, 12:20 PM
Wow, that is discrimination (and stereotpying) of sexual orientation and is not fair! Did he end up letting you donate blood? And are you scottish?

griffin
Apr 26th, 2005, 01:48 PM
Unfortunately, that's probably a smart thing to do if you can't afford to give everyone a STD test.

Think about this for a second: forget who donated/where it's from, would you really want blood put into your body that hadn't been tested? Would you want to risk being injected with hepatitis because someone ate at a skeevy restaurant?

You cannot make a blood supply safe by simply excluding groups who are at higher risk for certain diseases - "high risk" is not the same as "only risk." That's why all blood (the blood, not the donors) is tested for HIV, various strains of Hepatitis, and a bunch of other things. I seriously doubt that any industrialized nation is NOT performing such tests on donated blood already - the prescreening questions are really just a back-up.

And again, even as a back-up, what makes you "high-risk" is more in what you do than how you identify: have you been to an area where malaria is endemic? Have you engaged activities (unprotected sex, iv drug use, etc.) that are more likely to result in the transmission of HIV or Hep. Why mess around with identity politics when the goal is protecting people's safety?

DevilishAttitude
Apr 26th, 2005, 04:37 PM
Like, http://www.wtaworld.com/showthread.php?t=162513 ?

I suppose you have a point but that thread was for fun and because of this one http://www.wtaworld.com/showthread.php?t=162501

I'm not a man whore, yet.

:)

Why, am I not surprised? :shrug: :lol: So, what'll happen if you have a accident some day and need an emergency blood transfusion. Are they going to call your family, blood test them all, sample them to see what ones match, in, 10 minutes?

Well I don't know. But I doubt I'll ever give blood to someone I don't know.

:topic: But do you like or hate me. You seem frustated and annoyed with most of my posts :lol:

James
Apr 26th, 2005, 04:49 PM
I'm a blood donor and glad to help out. Last time they wouldn't let me though, since I was recently bitten by a dog. It isn't certain the dog had no disease.

I'm going to have to give up being a donor though, which doesn't feel good.

!<blocparty>!
Apr 26th, 2005, 04:51 PM
Well I don't know. But I doubt I'll ever give blood to someone I don't know.

You don't choose who you give it to.


:topic: But do you like or hate me. You seem frustated and annoyed with most of my posts :lol:

Neither, I just know that it's not easy being 15, most of the 15 year old boys where I come from are incredibly immature and have yet to grow up properly :yeah: You're cute. ;)

bis2806
Apr 26th, 2005, 05:10 PM
bloc party, are you scottish?

!<blocparty>!
Apr 26th, 2005, 05:10 PM
bloc party, are you scottish?

I'm Tim, the one you blocked on MSN ;) I'm Welsh. :)

bis2806
Apr 26th, 2005, 05:19 PM
I blocked you, really? What's your email addie?

Kart
Apr 26th, 2005, 06:04 PM
My friends are medical students, and they've been told that there's an actual medical reason for it, not just increased risk of HIV/Aids. Now admittedly, they're rubbish medical students - and couldn't give the actual reason. But they were adament.

It's because there's a window of time (about three months) after being infected with HIV when you won't test positive but can still pass the infection onto others.

Of course, the attempt to reduce the risk by screening out higher risk groups is pointless if everyone lies on the questionnaire anyway.