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tennislover
Apr 23rd, 2005, 06:40 PM
:eek:
http://www.tampatrib.com/floridametronews/MGBTDJDYF6E.html
(it happened on last March..)
tell me that's not true!
I'm shocked!

PaulieM
Apr 23rd, 2005, 06:48 PM
i saw that on tv, it was scary. apparently she was misbehaving, sounds increadibly extreme to me.

creep
Apr 23rd, 2005, 06:53 PM
Is she a pupil at Guantanamo Bay Kindergarten?

decemberlove
Apr 23rd, 2005, 07:02 PM
i wonder if she's on any pills...

alexusjonesfan
Apr 23rd, 2005, 07:14 PM
i wonder if she's on any pills...

they probably gave her a shot of haldol as soon as she was seen by a doctor and they'll probably dope her full of ritalin for the next few years.

It's not that weird an occurance, I've seen it happen more times than I'd like to have. It's sad because sometimes that's all you can do :sad:.

decemberlove
Apr 23rd, 2005, 07:48 PM
they probably gave her a shot of haldol as soon as she was seen by a doctor and they'll probably dope her full of ritalin for the next few years.

It's not that weird an occurance, I've seen it happen more times than I'd like to have. It's sad because sometimes that's all you can do :sad:.

well, i meant before she flipped out... as in maybe the pills were a cause. i am sure you are totally correct that they drugged her as soon as they could. i find it strange that the article says she was "disciplined" but they wouldn't say how.

i don't think it's all we as a society can do. it's just the easier thing to do... drug lil kids until they walk around like zombies and can no longer form their own thoughts.

Brαm
Apr 23rd, 2005, 09:06 PM
I saw this on the news, just shocking :eek: That teacher can't even handle a 5 year old girl?! :o :help:

She should've been arrested for not doing her job well!

Justin
Apr 23rd, 2005, 09:29 PM
Did y'all see the video? The 5 y/o was out of control and clearly has been taught no boundaries. The handcuffing was short and, hopefully, knocked some sense into her. Unfortunately, people are treating her as some victim and that will only reinforce her horrid and socially unacceptable behavior.

CondiLicious
Apr 23rd, 2005, 09:49 PM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4475513.stm

^^^ you can see the video there.

PaulieM
Apr 23rd, 2005, 10:04 PM
i don't care what a kid is doing, do you really need 3 adult police officers to restrain a 5 year old??? :scared:

Infiniti2001
Apr 23rd, 2005, 10:08 PM
I'm sorry this is just wrong. As evident on the video, the child was calm when she was handcuffed ugh.

Knizzle
Apr 23rd, 2005, 10:10 PM
This is really sad that they can't do anything with a 5 year old, but handcuff her. The school needs to train their staff on how to deal with those situations better because all they did was do things to escalate the situation. Personally no 5 year old is going to raise their hand to try and hit or kick me without me giving them a slap on the behind or the legs. A simple spanking would have taken care of her. Though she must not have been getting any discipline at home. To handcuff her is dumb and is really embarrassing to the school and the FL police.

Kart
Apr 23rd, 2005, 10:20 PM
Staggering.

I appreciate it's difficult to be a teacher of young children and you're restrained in what you can do but why on earth would they call the police before calling in the mother :shrug:.

decemberlove
Apr 23rd, 2005, 10:28 PM
there was no need to call the cops, let alone handcuff her. i've seen children her age act like fucking maniacs in school...biting other children and drawing blood, and even then the cops weren't called.

she is obviously going to flip out if she's getting her arms put BEHIND her back and silver handcuffs on. any child would. she prolly didn't understand what was happening to her. atleast if you are going to cuff her, do it with her arms in front. i don't know about FL, but i know around here, cops can only cuff a minor with their hands behind their back if they are causing serious harm to someone. when i was arrested, my hands were cuffed in the front so it didn't hurt as much.

a pathetic school with a pathetic staff and even worse cops. i've been saying for years now that it is FAR too easy to become a teacher. any fucking idiot can do it. it's the problem with cops, too.

the article made her behavior seem much worse than it was. the lady was four times the size of the lil girl and she still couldn't stop her.

Justin
Apr 23rd, 2005, 11:01 PM
there was no need to call the cops, let alone handcuff her. i've seen children her age act like fucking maniacs in school...biting other children and drawing blood, and even then the cops weren't called.





So, that makes what this girl did right? :confused:



This girl has a history of misbehaving. In fact, this was her third such outburst. Obviously, what was tried previously didn't work. What's wrong with trying something else? For God's sake, it was handcuffs by professionals. Nobody smacked her, beat her, burned her, cut her, kicked her, or even hurt her. The school officials don't have her respect. It seems obvious her guardian does not either. Calling the cops was the right thing to do. This girl needs to learn boundaries and socially-acceptable behavior. If she was allowed to continue to be so defiant and anti-social, people would be blaming the school for not taking a stand years from now when this girl does something really off the wall.

Knizzle
Apr 23rd, 2005, 11:04 PM
The girl is 5 Justin. She doesn't fully know right from wrong yet. You say no one hurt her?? You have 3 people handcuff you and tell me it won't hurt.

Oneofakind0490
Apr 23rd, 2005, 11:04 PM
Spanking the girl wouldn't have done anything. If the mom found outI bet she would have sued the school.
I'm not sure if calling the cops was the best thing there was to do. I'm sure they could have done something else but hopefully it taught this girl something..

Wiggly
Apr 23rd, 2005, 11:05 PM
I saw it on TV :eek:

harloo
Apr 23rd, 2005, 11:15 PM
hopefully it taught this girl something..

yep it taught her that a child can be treated like a dangerous criminal for being unruly, and their are people who actually justifies such behaviour from adults.;)

Hachiko
Apr 23rd, 2005, 11:46 PM
OMG, that is way too extreme.

BigB08822
Apr 24th, 2005, 12:00 AM
She will be hooking on the streets and then dead before she turns 17.

canadian_bass_2
Apr 24th, 2005, 12:10 AM
While I believe that this whole incident was probably blown terribly out of proportion, I don't think that it's overly fair to blame the incompetance of a teacher. I am studying to be a teacher, and there are so many rules about how you can and cannot touch a child that calling the police saves your ass from getting sued in a country where it's okay for the parents to sue.

On the flip side of things, I think that if a School Principal cannot keep control of her own students, then why in the hell is she the principal? If a student became violent in my class, I'd try to talk to them first, then, should that not work, run to the principal and get them in. I believe that the parents should have been called a long time before the police.

What a foolish incident...

Knizzle
Apr 24th, 2005, 12:17 AM
She will be hooking on the streets and then dead before she turns 17.

Why?? Because she's getting treated like a criminal already at the age of 5?? Maybe you have a point there. :rolleyes:

Wigglytuff
Apr 24th, 2005, 01:58 AM
i don't care what a kid is doing, do you really need 3 adult police officers to restrain a 5 year old??? :scared:

thank you.

i would also like to add that one of things you are taught as a student teacher, is that you, as a teacher, are NOT allowed to touch a child ever for any reason (lest you get sewed for one type of harrassment or another). for example hold the child or sit her in a chair or anything. from the peices of the video that i saw that teacher was doing what she can without touching the child.

Justin
Apr 24th, 2005, 02:31 AM
The girl is 5 Justin. She doesn't fully know right from wrong yet. You say no one hurt her?? You have 3 people handcuff you and tell me it won't hurt.

What exactly should have been done then? What I am saying is that people are acting as if the school went from level 3 to level 25 by calling the police. That is not the case. There was nobody on the school grounds who was able to control this child. What other option was there? Do nothing? Let this child be insolent and potentially cause a chain-reaction with the other kids; or, worse yet, hurt another child with her actions?



When I was in school, if some teacher even threatened to send me to the principal's office, I would have been an angel for the rest of the day (or even longer). Not only did this child not respect her teacher, but she was just as unruly with the principal. My God, she resorted to getting physical with the authority figures. I am not saying that she hurt anyone, or even had the capability to do so at age five, but she was clearly disruptive, unruly, and unabashedly resistant to calm down.



Hopefully, she will remember this incident and will not be so out of control in the future. Yes, she is five, and the state did the right thing by not charging her with anything. But, to take no action whatsoever would have been, at least tacitly, endorsing that sort of behavior in the child's mind. Such behavior at school, a place of learning, is something that cannot be tolerated. If a child acts this way at age five, with no consequence, what will she do at age 10 or 15? In days where some schools have to resort to installing medal detectors in an effort not to have a repeat of a Columbine incident, sweeping such deviant behavior under the rug is far more detrimental than calling the police could ever be, both to the individual child and for the school as a whole.

decemberlove
Apr 24th, 2005, 02:43 AM
What exactly should have been done then? What I am saying is that people are acting as if the school went from level 3 to level 25 by calling the police. That is not the case. There was nobody on the school grounds who was able to control this child. What other option was there? Do nothing? Let this child be insolent and potentially cause a chain-reaction with the other kids; or, worse yet, hurt another child with her actions?



When I was in school, if some teacher even threatened to send me to the principal's office, I would have been an angel for the rest of the day (or even longer). Not only did this child not respect her teacher, but she was just as unruly with the principal. My God, she resorted to getting physical with the authority figures. I am not saying that she hurt anyone, or even had the capability to do so at age five, but she was clearly disruptive, unruly, and unabashedly resistant to calm down.



Hopefully, she will remember this incident and will not be so out of control in the future. Yes, she is five, and the state did the right thing by not charging her with anything. But, to take no action whatsoever would have been, at least tacitly, endorsing that sort of behavior in the child's mind. Such behavior at school, a place of learning, is something that cannot be tolerated. If a child acts this way at age five, with no consequence, what will she do at age 10 or 15? In days where some schools have to resort to installing medal detectors in an effort not to have a repeat of a Columbine incident, sweeping such deviant behavior under the rug is far more detrimental than calling the police could ever be, both to the individual child and for the school as a whole.

she was CALM by the time the cops came. she didn't "resort to getting physical with the authority figures" until they put her hands behind her back and cuffed her. they could have escorted her to her mother in the back of the cop car, and that would have taught her a lesson. that is what they do with children who misbehave. it's fucking scary enough. they don't shackle them up like a death row inmate. :rolleyes:

and you think cuffs don't hurt? they aren't very pleasant. they can bruise, cut, or scrape the skin.

the plastic ones that they restrained her with can sometimes be worse than the standard cuffs. i can't imagine the way the plastic ones felt around her legs, but i know they do hurt around the wrists. and i only felt them during some playful sex activities.

i hate when people bring up race, but had this been a lil middle/upper class white girl, the cops would've NEVER cuffed her... perhaps they might not have been called in the first place.

Justin
Apr 24th, 2005, 03:09 AM
i hate when people bring up race, but had this been a lil middle/upper class white girl, the cops would've NEVER cuffed her... perhaps they might not have been called in the first place.

Please. If an albino acted this way, my reaction would be the same.

And by "authority figures," I was referring to her teacher and principal.


Also, the tape was cut. So, I would bet the farm that the child was continuing to act up with the police present. Otherwise, there would have been no need to cuff her or take any more action. The point would have been made.

there was no need to call the cops, .

they could have escorted her to her mother in the back of the cop car, and that would have taught her a lesson. that is what they do with children who misbehave. it's fucking scary enough. they don't shackle them up like a death row inmate.


It's interesting that you now say that the cops could have simply taken her into the patrol car to her mom. Earlier, you said that the cops never should have been called.

And, if I did not think people were overreacting before, to compare her cuffing to the restraint of a "death row inmate" is the most absurd analogy I have heard in a very long time.

BigB08822
Apr 24th, 2005, 03:18 AM
I am so sorry but I can not believe all the pity for this little girl. She obviously has never been taught right from wrong! The girl was not going to comply one way or the other and the video was proof of that. The only thing that could have been done was to physically hold the girl down and that just opens up a whole new can of "please sue me now" worms. The girl has to learn and if that don't work then I don't know what will.

I also refuse to believe that because of this little incident with the police that she will end up on the streets. I said that because she clearly has no guidance at home and the home is by far the most important in a child's life. She will probably end up on the streets because of her home life. If anything, this discipline could save her life.

Wigglytuff
Apr 24th, 2005, 03:27 AM
i would like to take this time to note how different people are reacting to this 5 year old getting arrested than they did to an 8 year old getting arrested earlier in the year.

i guess its ok to arrest 5 years but not 8 year olds for some???

CanadianBoy21
Apr 24th, 2005, 04:12 AM
I would have thought it a joke had I just seen the video with no caption or anything.
It is understandable that the teacher did not 'discipline' the girl, they can't hit the children these days anymore, eh. But calling the cops? I guess she went the really safe rout eh.
The girl has some serious problems already.
You have to also realize that she is NOT the victim. Imagine being in class with her. :tape:

decemberlove
Apr 24th, 2005, 04:17 AM
Please. If an albino acted this way, my reaction would be the same.

misunderstanding on your part... i was referring to the staff at the school and the cops. not the reaction on this board.

And by "authority figures," I was referring to her teacher and principal.

misunderstanding on my part, sorry.


Also, the tape was cut. So, I would bet the farm that the child was continuing to act up with the police present. Otherwise, there would have been no need to cuff her or take any more action. The point would have been made.

i watched the vid that volcana posted earlier in her thread... which i think is gone now. she was sitting quietly in a chair when the cops said something about arresting her... she listened and stood up... no problems... but then when they put the cuffs on her she started screaming and crying. that's when it stopped.


It's interesting that you now say that the cops could have simply taken her into the patrol car to her mom. Earlier, you said that the cops never should have been called.

i don't think the cops should have been called, but they were. i don't think the cops should have cuffed the girl, but they did. clear? i was commenting on all the other options. i know it isn't that difficult to understand. :)

And, if I did not think people were overreacting before, to compare her cuffing to the restraint of a "death row inmate" is the most absurd analogy I have heard in a very long time.

dramatic effect. save your condescending tone for someone else.

decemberlove
Apr 24th, 2005, 04:22 AM
i would like to take this time to note how different people are reacting to this 5 year old getting arrested than they did to an 8 year old getting arrested earlier in the year.

i guess its ok to arrest 5 years but not 8 year olds for some???

maybe they didn't catch the thread. i think i can vaguely recall something about it, but can't comment until i see the thread. can you find it?

harloo
Apr 24th, 2005, 04:58 AM
i hate when people bring up race, but had this been a lil middle/upper class white girl, the cops would've NEVER cuffed her... perhaps they might not have been called in the first place.

The cops wouldn't dare do something inhumane such as this too a white 5 year old girl from the suburbs. However the sheltered crowd who have never lived anywhere besides their little gated communties will tell you otherwise. In their little world the police are not corrupt, have impeccable ethics, and is there to serve the community. I guess they love living on fantasy island.

:rolleyes:

SelesFan70
Apr 24th, 2005, 06:56 AM
The cops wouldn't dare do something inhumane such as this too a white 5 year old girl from the suburbs. However the sheltered crowd who have never lived anywhere besides their little gated communties will tell you otherwise. In their little world the police are not corrupt, have impeccable ethics, and is there to serve the community. I guess they love living on fantasy island.

:rolleyes:

I can't say I totally disagree with your post...

I always find it odd how the media latches on to "missing little girls" cases as though that one little girl (usually white) is the ONLY child to go missing that day. (Not that it's not tragic, mind you).

I can also guarantee you if the molestations by Catholic priests had been done against little girls, those pedophiles would have been UNDER the jail. Typical double standards on so many levels in society.... :(

tennislover
Apr 24th, 2005, 11:54 AM
clearly there is something wrong in Florida's air..... :rolleyes:

kabuki
Apr 24th, 2005, 12:16 PM
Personally, I think that our teachers don't have enough rights. Unruly kids are dumped in the laps of teachers who are overextended and underpaid by parents lacking in parenting skills.

If that were my child, I would be so angry that the cops did that to her. BUT, if that were my child, she would not have been violent at school more than once. I blame her parents. If they sue and get money, I'll be disgusted.

alexusjonesfan
Apr 24th, 2005, 03:30 PM
well, i meant before she flipped out... as in maybe the pills were a cause. i am sure you are totally correct that they drugged her as soon as they could. i find it strange that the article says she was "disciplined" but they wouldn't say how.

i don't think it's all we as a society can do. it's just the easier thing to do... drug lil kids until they walk around like zombies and can no longer form their own thoughts.

dlove, scrap what I said, that was wrong. You're right, it's not all we can do, it's just the quick fix everyone wants. It's much easier to deal with zombies than actually try and find the root of the problems.