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ivanovic
Apr 21st, 2005, 03:37 PM
:)

Barrie_Dude
Apr 21st, 2005, 04:12 PM
Far too conservative

Brαm
Apr 21st, 2005, 04:35 PM
No, from what I've heard and read about him, he's way too conservative.

I hope he doesn't do much as a pope - just wave from his balcony at Easter etc :o

!<blocparty>!
Apr 21st, 2005, 05:19 PM
What do they do except wave from the balcony and kiss the floor?

I couldnt really care less if I'm honest.

James
Apr 21st, 2005, 05:21 PM
In a nutshell, no, he's too conservative. Then again what can you expect. The church is outdated as a concept anyway, in my opinion.

HectorMagnus
Apr 21st, 2005, 05:23 PM
wait and see ;)

as Spanish media said: we'll see if Benedict XVI. is continuation to Joseph Ratzinger :)

Shuji Shuriken
Apr 21st, 2005, 05:34 PM
Couldn't give a flying fuck :)

daniela86
Apr 21st, 2005, 05:52 PM
He seems to be nice and to believe strongly in what he says,moreover he waited all his life to be Pope(he elected John Paul 1 and John Paul 2)so i kinda like him :)even if i'm not catholic :p

crazillo
Apr 21st, 2005, 06:02 PM
Give him a chance, that's why I voted unsure.

Vincent
Apr 21st, 2005, 06:17 PM
I am kind of subjective and unreasonable :tape: , though I know very little about him, he looks less friendly than John Paul II.

CooCooCachoo
Apr 21st, 2005, 06:22 PM
No. I wouldn't like most popes though.

Lachrymarum
Apr 21st, 2005, 06:39 PM
No. I wouldn't like most popes though.
:yeah: :bigclap: Good answer, my friend!
I say....Pope Shmope! Course....I'm a bit of a heathen so......:devil:
If they weren't so busy molesting children - perhaps I'd be more respectful.

K.U.C.W-R.V
Apr 21st, 2005, 06:39 PM
I like.

I'm glad the Cardinals didnt cave & appoint a soppy liberal, but I'd rather the Vatican abandoned its nonsensical stand on contraception.

CooCooCachoo
Apr 21st, 2005, 06:45 PM
:yeah: :bigclap: Good answer, my friend!
I say....Pope Shmope! Course....I'm a bit of a heathen so......:devil:
If they weren't so busy molesting children - perhaps I'd be more respectful.

:lol:

Well, I mean, I like men :p Not allowed by the Pope, is it? I am sure he wouldn't respect me and I surely don't respect someone who doesn't respect me :)

Also, in a way, popes are mass murderers. I know I am not having a mild view on this :)

Lachrymarum
Apr 21st, 2005, 06:50 PM
:lol:

Well, I mean, I like men :p Not allowed by the Pope, is it? I am sure he wouldn't respect me and I surely don't respect someone who doesn't respect me :)

Also, in a way, popes are mass murderers. I know I am not having a mild view on this :)
:haha:
I hear ya!
I realize that popes do good things for the less fortunate - however I can't respect someone who is so close-minded.

HectorMagnus
Apr 21st, 2005, 06:53 PM
he can talk 10 languages...., he's great theologist and professor, true wise old man....

and he doesn't say that Belarus is in Middle Europe as American minister Rice thinks.... :tape:

CooCooCachoo
Apr 21st, 2005, 07:09 PM
he can talk 10 languages...., he's great theologist and professor, true wise old man....

and he doesn't say that Belarus is in Middle Europe as American minister Rice thinks.... :tape:

The key word being old. He won't be there for very long :)

And where is the source stating that Rice thinks that?

selesfan1
Apr 21st, 2005, 07:16 PM
I am not Catholic so the news really doesn't impact me as much. I do find it fascinating he speaks 10 languages. However, John Paul II was the only pope I ever knew so it is kind of difficult getting used to this one and if someone were to say" hey, I got a picture with the pope" I would be much more impressed and more likely to be in awe if it were with John Paul and not Benedict.

James
Apr 21st, 2005, 07:32 PM
he can talk 10 languages...., he's great theologist and professor, true wise old man....

and he doesn't say that Belarus is in Middle Europe as American minister Rice thinks.... :tape:

Well, if you would ask several here in the Netherlands, they wouldn't know where Belarus was either. I still remember a television show, where they interviewed people holidaying in Spain. They were asked if they could indicate on the map where they were. A lot of them pointed out Poland, Denmark or some other country that was way off.

By the way, it really doesn't matter whether the pope can speak 10 languages. It's his beliefs that count and I don't like those.

Mrs. Peel
Apr 21st, 2005, 07:36 PM
I really don't care. The Pope is not going to mandate my relationship to God. I would like to know more about him though. He seems highly educated and very spiritual. Authoritarian? I'm not sure if that is such a bad trait for a religious leader. :confused:

I actually like that he has some baggage. Makes him like us as we are not perfect in anyway. I am not going to join the rabid pack and judge him before he has a chance to do anything. From this day forward.....................

HectorMagnus
Apr 21st, 2005, 08:03 PM
The key word being old. He won't be there for very long :)

And where is the source stating that Rice thinks that?

:lol: she even said that today.... ;)

you critise him upon his political oppinions, about his past, about his career in officium....well, the fact is that he has a great prospect, is experienced and don't forget, he started his career during Second Vatican and he was the most progressive young theologian there....

so before you will judge him (and I didn't mention yet that there's only one judge ;) ) give him a chance ;)

Lord Nelson
Apr 21st, 2005, 08:06 PM
I prefer him to the Dalai Lama.

James
Apr 21st, 2005, 08:09 PM
He was the most progressive young theologian there....



Imagine what that says about the others attending. ;)

HectorMagnus
Apr 21st, 2005, 08:19 PM
Well, if you would ask several here in the Netherlands, they wouldn't know where Belarus was either. I still remember a television show, where they interviewed people holidaying in Spain. They were asked if they could indicate on the map where they were. A lot of them pointed out Poland, Denmark or some other country that was way off.

By the way, it really doesn't matter whether the pope can speak 10 languages. It's his beliefs that count and I don't like those.

it's sad to hear that people think that Czech Republic is part of Russia, that Spain is a republic and Belarus is in Middle Europe, but it's absolutely tragical when you hear this from people who are political leaders....

time has changed and I wouldn't even in my greatest dreams believed that for example such Catholic country as Spain is can have laws to allow adoptions for homosexual people and so atheistic country as Czech Republic isn't able to allow them even to visit his/her boy/girlfriend during illness....

it's such a modern age we live in and real power of Catholic Church isn't that great, Camus once said that you believe cause you're strong or weak, if you're strong, you don't need anybody to allow or to ban you anything; if you're weak you need icons you can adore but it has nothing to do with Christian region, it's idolatry.....

your mind is the real challenge, cause it's nothing you can decieve and God doesn't want to have people who lie down when he can have them standing in front of him....

HectorMagnus
Apr 21st, 2005, 08:24 PM
Imagine what that says about the others attending. ;)

:) yes, you see him as the most conservative leader in the whole church but he was qiute progressive and unfortunate end of John XXIII. blasted everything, Montini tried to continue but he wasn't as radical....

Almalyk
Apr 21st, 2005, 10:11 PM
Too conservative - he will keep the same stance on contraception and therefore the situation of HIV/AIDS will not be given any chance to improve while he is undertaking the papacy.

Lord Nelson
Apr 21st, 2005, 10:30 PM
oh because other religious leaders are for contraceptives such as Imams, Dalai Lama, etc.. Why is it only the Pope who is at the center stage. There are more muslims in Africa than Catholics. But they are not criticized. Is it because you libs think it's racist to criticize Muslims and so on but that it is hip to go after the Pope? One person that I know once asked me how I could be agnostic and a Catholic. Well that's simple. I'm proud of my heritage just as a Jew is proud of being a Jew, a Buddhist is proud of being a Buddhist etc...Religion helps create cultures and to me Christianity is a great religion. But once I die, it's total blackout....

Look at the Christian nations in Europe. There is so much freedom of expression. Christianity has helped form rich cultures. I'm even proud that Vasco da Gama came to my part of the world and made me what I am today just as a Muslim in Africa is proud of being a muslim and so on. One person from this site who I won't name and who is an atheist had the wisdom of saying that she did not like it when I criticized the Dalai Lama. She probably would have loved if I had sticked to bashing the Christian church. That would have made her day. Atheist, my foot! Atheism is believing in no God & religion, Christainity, Judaism, Islam, Buddhism and sects and whatever such as Scietology, wiccanism, astrology etc... But it bothered her when I criticze Buddhism, ridiculous. She even justifyed her words by saying she knows nothing about other religions so she does not criticze them. That's the worst kind of excuse I heard.

~ The Leopard ~
Apr 22nd, 2005, 01:06 AM
oh because other religious leaders are for contraceptives such as Imams, Dalai Lama, etc.. Why is it only the Pope who is at the center stage. There are more muslims in Africa than Catholics. But they are not criticized. Is it because you libs think it's racist to criticize Muslims and so on but that it is hip to go after the Pope?

Not at all. Religion in general is the biggest problem in the world today. However, it isn't going away ... for a whole lot of reasons that have little to do with any tiny bits of actual truth that any religion might contain. So we have to put up with it. There's no reason not to criticise and even mock it, though. :devil:

That said, some religions are worse than others in the way they fossilise and perpetuate outdated and irrational moral (and sometimes other) beliefs. I have no real problem with Buddhism because it is very tolerant (and it is more a philosophy than a religion in its original form). Liberal Judaism is generally a force for good as a counterweight to some of the other religious views that go around. Neo-pagans just want to have a good time (and old-time pagan religions were actually very undemanding).

And even Catholicism is far from being the worst religion going in terms of intolerance and irrationality. Certain forms of Islam and certain forms of fundamentalist Christian protestantism are much worse than Catholicism.

Catholicism is, however, the most powerful single religious force in Western societies ... as well as in many societies in the third world. The other religions have limited impact outside of fairly confined (if important) geographic areas. It's the pronouncements of the Catholic Church that are likely to have the biggest impact on most of us in cutting back abortion rights, continuing to exclude gays from full social acceptance, demonising sexuality in general except of a very conventional kind, interfering with AIDS-prevention, restricting useful scientific research, rejecting reproductive technology, etc, etc. As far as I'm concerned, Catholicism and the newest conservative pope are fair game for critique and satire, along with the usual ayatollahs, born-again evangelists, etc, etc. The upper Catholic hierarchy is openly at war with many aspects of modernity, and it wields huge power, so I don't see why we shouldn't fight back in any way we can, large or small.

Barrie_Dude
Apr 22nd, 2005, 01:08 AM
I like.

I'm glad the Cardinals didnt cave & appoint a soppy liberal, but I'd rather the Vatican abandoned its nonsensical stand on contraception.They need to abandon there stances on celibacy as well! It priests were allowed to marry I am quite sure they would find far more viable candidates for the priesthood and they would not have to endure the sex scandals that they have been sorely mishandling and, as a result, their credibility would not suffer.

"Topaz"
Apr 22nd, 2005, 02:04 AM
I'm a cafeteria Catholic, just as most North-American Catholics. I take what I like and reject the rest. The Pope is almost irrelevant in that process. So I don't care who holds that position.

However, I would have liked it if he had come strong against priests molesting children. On the contrary, as a Cardinal, he decided to protect those priests instead, and that was a bit disturbing. One area where a Pope has real power is over the Clergy, and I just hope he take a stronger stance against molesters. If for one reason or the other a family leaves a child with a church, the parents ought to feel at peace over their decision; in fact, they should even feel lucky and blessed. This covenant has been broken but ought to be restored.

Contraceptives, condoms, regulated abortions, are all Ok by me. Yet, no same sex marriage. That's my cafeteria Catholicism. :)

Scotso
Apr 22nd, 2005, 03:14 AM
Give him a chance, that's why I voted unsure.

Right, because 78 years of bigotry isn't enough to base an opinion on.

F-R-E-A-K
Apr 22nd, 2005, 03:21 AM
Nopes.

Cosmopolitan
Apr 22nd, 2005, 03:21 AM
I'm a cafeteria Catholic, just as most North-American Catholics. I take what I like and reject the rest. The Pope is almost irrelevant in that process. So I don't care who holds that position.

However, I would have liked it if he had come strong against priests molesting children. On the contrary, as a Cardinal, he decided to protect those priests instead, and that was a bit disturbing. One area where a Pope has real power is over the Clergy, and I just hope he take a stronger stance against molesters. If for one reason or the other a family leaves a child with a church, the parents ought to feel at peace over their decision; in fact, they should even feel lucky and blessed. This covenant has been broken but ought to be restored.

Contraceptives, condoms, regulated abortions, are all Ok by me. Yet, no same sex marriage. That's my cafeteria Catholicism. :)

According to your religion you should be ex-communicated for your views. Unfortunately, the Catholic Church doesn't have enough funds to investigate into people who call themselves Catholic and break all the rules. So they can't excommunicate you.

I was a Catholic but my views oppose the Roman Catholic Church so I don't continue on with the charade.

Tati & Dani
Apr 22nd, 2005, 04:54 AM
don't care

ginger_fish668
Apr 22nd, 2005, 05:06 AM
Don't like him. Same reason as the others, too damn conservative.

zuluagafan
Apr 22nd, 2005, 05:06 AM
give him time its been like two days

SzavayFi
Apr 22nd, 2005, 05:23 AM
Umm, im not catholic, therefore, i dont care ;).

Daniel
Apr 22nd, 2005, 06:01 AM
yes

CooCooCachoo
Apr 22nd, 2005, 07:13 AM
:lol: she even said that today.... ;)

you critise him upon his political oppinions, about his past, about his career in officium....well, the fact is that he has a great prospect, is experienced and don't forget, he started his career during Second Vatican and he was the most progressive young theologian there....

so before you will judge him (and I didn't mention yet that there's only one judge ;) ) give him a chance ;)

I don't necessarily criticize hm upon his past, to be honest. I can't judge unless I know the details.

But his political opinions.. Yes, I disagree strongly with his points of view. And if he was the most progressive young theologist there, then... :tape:

Hagar
Apr 22nd, 2005, 09:08 AM
I would have wanted someone more progressive.

But I'm also a cafetaria Catholic or what I call a " la carte" Catholic. I take from it what I like, mix it with some buddhism and that's my religion.
I must however say that if the institute of Catholicism would be more progressive, I would go to mass from time to time.
Sometimes I have been wondering if I should not switch to protestantism.

mandy7
Apr 22nd, 2005, 09:10 AM
In a nutshell, no, he's too conservative. Then again what can you expect. The church is outdated as a concept anyway, in my opinion.

i totally agree

ozfan44
Apr 22nd, 2005, 01:06 PM
no just beating out don't care! :rolleyes:

Andy.
Apr 22nd, 2005, 01:07 PM
To consevative this is the 21st century

JonBcn
Apr 22nd, 2005, 01:15 PM
I don't see what's so good about speaking ten different languages if you use them to spread intolerance, ignorance and and cause ten million AIDS deaths a year in Africa.

SpikeyAidanm
Apr 22nd, 2005, 02:01 PM
We should have a female pope.

"Topaz"
Apr 22nd, 2005, 02:27 PM
According to your religion you should be ex-communicated for your views. Unfortunately, the Catholic Church doesn't have enough funds to investigate into people who call themselves Catholic and break all the rules. So they can't excommunicate you.

I was a Catholic but my views oppose the Roman Catholic Church so I don't continue on with the charade.Where have you been over the past 15-20 years? Have you been isolated (in Nassau, according to your profile) from the contemporary religious debates? So, The Vatican should excommunicate me but leave the molester priests alone!? How about the so-called dissident priests who are distributing condoms despite the Church? Should Rome get rid of them too? I'm not even going to talk about the whole bulk of cafeteria Catholics out there. It seems that you don't understand the nature of the current discussion between liberalism and conservatism in the Roman Catholic Church. You should go and get yourself educated.

BTW, just out of curiosity, now that you "don't continue on with the charade", what are you?

Mateo Mathieu
Apr 22nd, 2005, 02:32 PM
I don't give a fuck about him or anything with him cos I'm not into religious.

Cosmopolitan
Apr 22nd, 2005, 06:17 PM
Where have you been over the past 15-20 years? Have you been isolated (in Nassau, according to your profile) from the contemporary religious debates? So, The Vatican should excommunicate me but leave the molester priests alone!? How about the so-called dissident priests who are distributing condoms despite the Church? Should Rome get rid of them too? I'm not even going to talk about the whole bulk of cafeteria Catholics out there. It seems that you don't understand the nature of the current discussion between liberalism and conservatism in the Roman Catholic Church. You should go and get yourself educated.

BTW, just out of curiosity, now that you "don't continue on with the charade", what are you?

I didn't say you should be excommunicated. I'm saying your Church would excommunicate you if they had the power to. And by electing another Conservative Pope, we know in which direction, the leaders want to take the Church. So why try to reform an institution that is seriously flawed and outdated when the leaders continue to press against change, protect child molesters and so on. I think the priests that are distributing condoms should be excommunicated because that's the way the leaders of the Church feel and that's what's endoctrinated in their edicts. As Catholics, you're supposed to believe that the leaders are in close contact with God and are transmitting His wishes to you. So, why get into an institution and do the opposite of what they tell you to do like distribute condoms? The Catholic Church's demise depends on whether they start enforcing their views. They're just stating their views in hopes that people will change because if they try to enforce them, they will lose a lot of their followers. It's hypocritical. I understand that cafeteria Catholics are attempting to reform or waiting until the Church reforms, but I'm saying the wait is too long and to associate yourself with a religion in which you don't believe in half of what it stands for is hypocritical.

Cosmopolitan
Apr 22nd, 2005, 06:19 PM
What am I? I'm not even sure! I just know I'm not Catholic!

matthias
Apr 22nd, 2005, 09:24 PM
okay, many people have said he is way to conservative and all this stuff with HIV and Africa and so on
but to you really believe afrcian people would use more condoms just because the pope says it is okay?
get real - it need more then a pope to stop HIV in Africa

flyingmachine
Apr 22nd, 2005, 09:46 PM
okay, many people have said he is way to conservative and all this stuff with HIV and Africa and so on
but to you really believe afrcian people would use more condoms just because the pope says it is okay?
get real - it need more then a pope to stop HIV in Africa
Do you mean an atittude problem?

Giuliano
Apr 22nd, 2005, 09:51 PM
Do you mean an atittude problem?
I guess he meant a poverty problem.

flyingmachine
Apr 22nd, 2005, 10:00 PM
I guess he meant a poverty problem.
Partly poverty but also partly atittude and culturely too. It seems that talking about safe sex is still a taboo in many parts of African. I'm agree on waht matthias said that it will take a lot more to deal AIDS in africa. However I do think little changes also helps too.

Rory81
Apr 22nd, 2005, 10:19 PM
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Giuliano
Apr 22nd, 2005, 10:26 PM
Partly poverty but also partly atittude and culturely too. It seems that talking about safe sex is still a taboo in many parts of African. I'm agree on waht matthias said that it will take a lot more to deal AIDS in africa. However I do think little changes also helps too.
To me, the attitude will change when children have the chance to go to school. So their parents must be able to afford feeding someone. It was the case also recently in Europe.
It's pretty late, so excuse me for not phrasing this better ;)

Becool
Apr 22nd, 2005, 10:28 PM
No

QuicKyMonSter
Apr 22nd, 2005, 10:35 PM
I would have wanted someone more progressive.

But I'm also a cafetaria Catholic or what I call a " la carte" Catholic. I take from it what I like, mix it with some buddhism and that's my religion.
I must however say that if the institute of Catholicism would be more progressive, I would go to mass from time to time.
Sometimes I have been wondering if I should not switch to protestantism.
QuIcKy = Hagar.... that's exactly me, lol:bounce:

Kart
Apr 22nd, 2005, 10:38 PM
okay, many people have said he is way to conservative and all this stuff with HIV and Africa and so on
but to you really believe afrcian people would use more condoms just because the pope says it is okay?
get real - it need more then a pope to stop HIV in Africa

I agree.

Undoubtedly the pope speaking for contraception etc would be a positive move for the spread of HIV etc but if it's against his beliefs I have no objection to the pope speaking against it.

Still, he and his religion make a convenient enough scapegoat for the rest of the world to offload their shame and responsibility onto.

Dancehall_Queen_
Apr 23rd, 2005, 12:17 AM
unsure you cant judge a guy so quickly dudes..

V.Melb
Apr 23rd, 2005, 01:06 AM
Of course the poll is more ppl saying they don't like him... what do u expect on a msg board full of homosexuals and atheists? :rolleyes:

James
Apr 23rd, 2005, 08:21 AM
Of course the poll is more ppl saying they don't like him... what do u expect on a msg board full of homosexuals and atheists? :rolleyes:

Sweet of you to put your useless two cents in. :rolleyes: To make this short and simple, there are probably other places you will feel more comfortable. Try going there.

tennislover
Apr 23rd, 2005, 01:59 PM
Of course the poll is more ppl saying they don't like him... what do u expect on a msg board full of homosexuals and atheists? :rolleyes:

OMG!
:haha:


(also homosex and atheists have got a soul.... ;) )

tennislover
Apr 23rd, 2005, 02:02 PM
i find him nice....

they say he's conservative.....mmmmmmmmm let's see.....
on the other hand they say he is very well educated and clever......
i like very clever people..... ;)

they say also that he loves cats :cat:
.......I usually like people who love cats.......... :)

KoOlMaNsEaN
Apr 23rd, 2005, 05:50 PM
I like him :)

tennislover
Apr 23rd, 2005, 06:26 PM
We should have a female pope.


T-R-U-E.

but i'm afraid one must wait ...until 3001......

tennislover
Apr 23rd, 2005, 06:28 PM
To me, the attitude will change when children have the chance to go to school. So their parents must be able to afford feeding someone. It was the case also recently in Europe.
It's pretty late, so excuse me for not phrasing this better ;)


yes, bread & education: that's the key......