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virtue05
Apr 18th, 2005, 05:39 PM
When I look at Venus, a part of me feels like she wants another coach. I think she has thought about it countless, times over the past year or so. I think she knows it is time for a change, but she does not want to let her family down and she does not want to deal with the hastling media. What do you guys think?

Knizzle
Apr 18th, 2005, 05:40 PM
No, I don't think she wants a new coach, if she wanted one she would have one.

Rocketta
Apr 18th, 2005, 05:41 PM
I'm going to have to agree with Knizzle....these girls do what they want to and this situation is no different. Richard and Oracene do not run them. :)

alwayshingis
Apr 18th, 2005, 05:46 PM
She doesn't want one...she just needs one.

La Reine
Apr 18th, 2005, 05:48 PM
Venus doesn't want a new Coach bag. They're so last year.

PaulieM
Apr 18th, 2005, 05:53 PM
i think if she wanted one she's adult enough to get one. either way we'll never know, especially not from a look.

gavinoshea
Apr 18th, 2005, 05:54 PM
I think that Venus does want to hire another coach but she is afraid that she'll disspoint her dad and her mom.

Knizzle
Apr 18th, 2005, 05:56 PM
I think that Venus does want to hire another coach but she is afraid that she'll disspoint her dad and her mom.

They've been less and less involved in the past couple years, Oracene looks tired of coaching and Richard has his own things going on. If Richard had that much control as Venus' coach then she probably wouldn't be doing a reality show right now.

CJ07
Apr 18th, 2005, 05:57 PM
Actually, Venus has been working with people for quite some time now. Nobody in the media seems to pick it up...either that or they just ignore it :rolleyes:

Rocketta
Apr 18th, 2005, 05:58 PM
They (the reality show people) were all up in her face in Charleston....and gosh I hope I don't make any of the show because we were talking to Richard convincing him to get Venus to sign our books for us and the cameras were watching every move. :scared:

LucasArg
Apr 18th, 2005, 05:58 PM
Who is her coach Oracene or Richard or both???? this is not really clear to me...

Rocketta
Apr 18th, 2005, 05:59 PM
Who is her coach Oracene or Richard or both???? this is not really clear to me...

officially both but more reality......Richard. ;)

CJ07
Apr 18th, 2005, 06:00 PM
Oracene is the overseas coach minus Wimbledon, Richard is the North American Coach

However Richard goes to Paris with Serena (indoors that is) or at least he did one year

Rocketta
Apr 18th, 2005, 06:01 PM
Actually, Venus has been working with people for quite some time now. Nobody in the media seems to pick it up...either that or they just ignore it :rolleyes:

Until she says this is my full-time coach and Richard is no longer my coach and the media has somebody else to show in the stands and interview the rest doesn't matter. :rolleyes:

LeRoy.
Apr 18th, 2005, 06:01 PM
They (the reality show people) were all up in her face in Charleston....and gosh I hope I don't make any of the show because we were talking to Richard convincing him to get Venus to sign our books for us and the cameras were watching every move. :scared:

I hope you do make the show.:lol: You could tell eberyone to watc-out for you when it comes . :p

So did you manage to convince Richard to get Venus to sign your book ?

Rocketta
Apr 18th, 2005, 06:02 PM
I hope you do make the show.:lol: You could tell eberyone to watc-out for you when it comes . :p

So did you manage to convince Richard to get Venus to sign your book ?

of course....:p

but it was more of BK4EVER's charm that did the trick. ;)

CJ07
Apr 18th, 2005, 06:05 PM
Until she says this is my full-time coach and Richard is no longer my coach and the media has somebody else to show in the stands and interview the rest doesn't matter. :rolleyes:
Oh I'm not saying this as a negative thing, I'm just saying that all people talk about is how Venus refuses to work with anybody outside of Richard & Oracene, and how she won't take outside help.

When that can't be further than the truth. She's worked with several different people all over the country just in the last few months. And while this isn't all that hard to find out, the media people pretend (or are ignorant of it) that it doesn't happen.

That's all. :wavey:

Brooks.
Apr 18th, 2005, 06:16 PM
i think venus could use some outside advice for sure.... but i think she feels a loyalty to her parents and let's face it... she will always stay with them and it really isn't fair for us to try and judge her for that!

harloo
Apr 18th, 2005, 06:21 PM
Venus is doing what she wants to do, and maybe that's not what she needs but as an adult you make your own decisions. Hopefully she decides to get some extra help with her game.

I get the feeling that Richard is not that interested in tennis that much anymore. He is so quiet now it's almost weird.

Rocketta, I will be looking for your TV debut. Hopefully they caught you doing something naughty.;) :lol:

Rocketta
Apr 18th, 2005, 06:26 PM
Oh I'm not saying this as a negative thing, I'm just saying that all people talk about is how Venus refuses to work with anybody outside of Richard & Oracene, and how she won't take outside help.

When that can't be further than the truth. She's worked with several different people all over the country just in the last few months. And while this isn't all that hard to find out, the media people pretend (or are ignorant of it) that it doesn't happen.

That's all. :wavey:

No I know that's what you're saying and I'm agreeing with you. I'm saying the only way the media will talk about Venus getting coaching is if she says "he is my coach now" basically if one replaces "Richard" anything else the media doesn't give two shits about. :)

Rocketta
Apr 18th, 2005, 06:29 PM
Rocketta, I will be looking for your TV debut. Hopefully they caught you doing something naughty.;) :lol:

Ah how did you know I was digging for gold at the time? :tape: :scared: :unsure: :tape: :p

harloo
Apr 18th, 2005, 06:32 PM
Ah how did you know I was digging for gold at the time? :tape: :scared: :unsure: :tape: :p

:lol: :p I will be taping it, so I will have something on you.:p

DA FOREHAND
Apr 18th, 2005, 06:33 PM
I think Venus uses FedCup to get some coaching, BJK used to say both girls were like sponges soaking up all they could.

harloo
Apr 18th, 2005, 06:36 PM
I think Venus uses FedCup to get some coaching, BJK used to say both girls were like sponges soaking up all they could.

The problem is that playing fedcup in the past and listening to BJK for a few weeks here and there has not changed anything much. I would like to see Venus coached by BJK for a year. You know BJK is like a dictator and I'm pretty sure Venus has respect for her so it could work out. Venus said she would not listen to another coach, but hopefully that could change. I really would like to see Venus winning again and smiling.:D ;)

Lolo8
Apr 18th, 2005, 06:40 PM
I've been observing Venus's matches at the nasdeq, charleston and Amelia island and I can tell you that I don't think Venus needs a new coach. Venus problem is MENTAL. How do you explain beating Lindsey Davenport 6-1 in the first set at Amelia Island and then totally tanking the next two? How do you explain Venus going to the finals at Antwerp serving for the match at 6-4 5-4 and then losing her serve and the match against Mauresmo? Venus chokes matches away. I've seen it so many times. I saw it when she played against Golovan. I don't even think her forehand is that bad. The problem is she gets nervous rushes her shots or over hits the ball. Venus gets too nervous and anxious out there.I can tell you it's nerves and getting a new coach won't help if her forehand can't stay calm during crucial points in matches.

Brooks.
Apr 18th, 2005, 06:51 PM
I've been observing Venus's matches at the nasdeq, charleston and Amelia island and I can tell you that I don't think Venus needs a new coach. Venus problem is MENTAL. How do you explain beating Lindsey Davenport 6-1 in the first set at Amelia Island and then totally tanking the next two? How do you explain Venus going to the finals at Antwerp serving for the match at 6-4 5-4 and then losing her serve and the match against Mauresmo? Venus chokes matches away. I've seen it so many times. I saw it when she played against Golovan. I don't even think her forehand is that bad. The problem is she gets nervous rushes her shots or over hits the ball. Venus gets too nervous and anxious out there.I can tell you it's nerves and getting a new coach won't help if her forehand can't stay calm during crucial points in matches.

:worship: :worship: :worship: :worship: :worship: :worship:

DA FOREHAND
Apr 18th, 2005, 07:16 PM
C O N F I D E N C E!!!!

Brooks.
Apr 18th, 2005, 07:21 PM
C O N F I D E N C E!!!!

but my question is how does a player regain something such as confidence and mental strength.... its not like you can practice how to be mentally strong... you would think serena would have some tips for venus in big matches but guess she doesnt want to give her secrets away :p

DA FOREHAND
Apr 18th, 2005, 07:26 PM
but my question is how does a player regain something such as confidence and mental strength.... its not like you can practice how to be mentally strong... you would think serena would have some tips for venus in big matches but guess she doesnt want to give her secrets away :p

By diligently working on your craft. I don't believe for a min. that Venus is putting in the work she did four years ago.

I shall add that to my wishes for Venus' game....Steffi Graf's work ethic, I don't think Venus needs to be single minded, but you get out what you put in...if you put in half ass work you get half assed results, In proportion to your talent...and Venus is a talented tennis player.

Brooks.
Apr 18th, 2005, 07:56 PM
By diligently working on your craft. I don't believe for a min. that Venus is putting in the work she did four years ago.

I shall add that to my wishes for Venus' game....Steffi Graf's work ethic, I don't think Venus needs to be single minded, but you get out what you put in...if you put in half ass work you get half assed results, In proportion to your talent...and Venus is a talented tennis player.

i think she works hard at times.... its just not consistent enough... i remember reading that she was working really hard after the AO and it seemed to really pay off at Antwerp so i think you are right.... she needs to work harder... the scary thing is that i think she still works harder than serena and serena can win grand slams without working nearly as hard as some of the other players

DA FOREHAND
Apr 18th, 2005, 08:22 PM
Some years ago I think Serena said it all came so easy to Venus and she had to work for hers...

flyingmachine
Apr 18th, 2005, 08:28 PM
She doesn't want one...she just needs one.
That's what I'm thinking too.

Brooks.
Apr 18th, 2005, 08:32 PM
Some years ago I think Serena said it all came so easy to Venus and she had to work for hers...

yea i think their roles have really switched.... i fear that venus losing to little sis in 5 grand slam finals is what truely did her in :sad:

RVD
Apr 18th, 2005, 08:42 PM
I've been observing Venus's matches at the nasdeq, charleston and Amelia island and I can tell you that I don't think Venus needs a new coach. Venus problem is MENTAL. How do you explain beating Lindsey Davenport 6-1 in the first set at Amelia Island and then totally tanking the next two? How do you explain Venus going to the finals at Antwerp serving for the match at 6-4 5-4 and then losing her serve and the match against Mauresmo? Venus chokes matches away. I've seen it so many times. I saw it when she played against Golovan. I don't even think her forehand is that bad. The problem is she gets nervous rushes her shots or over hits the ball. Venus gets too nervous and anxious out there.I can tell you it's nerves and getting a new coach won't help if her forehand can't stay calm during crucial points in matches. :worship: :worship: :worship: Thank you, thank- you, thank-you. The truth is just so clear!! All she needs to do is play the key points better. :yeah:

RVD
Apr 18th, 2005, 09:10 PM
Lolo8 made such a good point that it prompted me to consider further what may be ailing Venus. Of course this is all speculation, but I can't help thinking that Venus' only problem is her confidence (alone). IMO, the old Venus is not only back, but better than ever. The fact that she did take Lindsay 6-1 in the first set is proof enough for me. Venus is in the absolute best shape of her life. Her speed is there and shots are all there. And even though people down her forehand, I've seen marked improvement from a year ago. The 'physical' and 'athletic' Venus is clicking on all cylinders. The problem is that she over thinks her shots because she puts far too much pressure on herself. Think of it this way...
When was the last time Venus says that she was having fun out there?
In the past, she went out there with the right attitude. It was a fun job, win or lose. But now, she feels that she has to win, for reasons only she knows of. Also, consider that this tennis job hurt her, and that may also be in the back of her mind.
I too noticed that Venus tenses during certain crucial or key points. However, it's a completely different matter when she's playing Serena. She plays relaxed throughout and moves very well. This to me is again proof of her mental game being the culprit. In her mind , she knows that she can beat Serena, because she's done it many times before and she knows Serena's game.
Venus may do well to get a sports psychologist. I swore I'd never say that, but looking at how solid her overall game is, leads me to this conclusion.

volta
Apr 18th, 2005, 09:19 PM
no. i think that Vee prob is mentaly she ain´t confidente enough and im sick of people talking about her forehand i do know that training with Rena she should have her forehand very very very improved but Rena is injury all the time so this might be one factor yet its really pissing me off that everytime we see Vee play people always talk about her forehand over and over again let it go we all know about it been there done that move on.

tennisIlove09
Apr 18th, 2005, 09:40 PM
No she doesnt want one. If she wanted one, she would have one :wavey:

Pamela Shriver
Apr 18th, 2005, 09:44 PM
http://www.grand-canyon-tours.biz/images/Coach%201.jpg

This is a nice new coach.

LucasArg
Apr 18th, 2005, 09:46 PM
No she doesnt want one. If she wanted one, she would have one :wavey:

So then, what do you think she needs to do right now?

Siyasema
Apr 18th, 2005, 10:12 PM
Lolo8 made such a good point that it prompted me to consider further what may be ailing Venus. Of course this is all speculation, but I can't help thinking that Venus' only problem is her confidence (alone). IMO, the old Venus is not only back, but better than ever. The fact that she did take Lindsay 6-1 in the first set is proof enough for me. Venus is in the absolute best shape of her life. Her speed is there and shots are all there. And even though people down her forehand, I've seen marked improvement from a year ago. The 'physical' and 'athletic' Venus is clicking on all cylinders. The problem is that she over thinks her shots because she puts far too much pressure on herself. Think of it this way...
When was the last time Venus says that she was having fun out there?
In the past, she went out there with the right attitude. It was a fun job, win or lose. But now, she feels that she has to win, for reasons only she knows of. Also, consider that this tennis job hurt her, and that may also be in the back of her mind.
I too noticed that Venus tenses during certain crucial or key points. However, it's a completely different matter when she's playing Serena. She plays relaxed throughout and moves very well. This to me is again proof of her mental game being the culprit. In her mind , she knows that she can beat Serena, because she's done it many times before and she knows Serena's game.
Venus may do well to get a sports psychologist. I swore I'd never say that, but looking at how solid her overall game is, leads me to this conclusion.

I tend to agree with everything you said. Sometimes I think something happens in a person's life that can change the outlook of what looked like your whole and full passion. You can get lost and you then have to refocus and once again find that desire, drive and place you were once so sure of. The reasons for this could be the death of her sister, losing to Serena, or just having a shift in what truly made her happy along with tennis. I sometimes look at Venus and see myself and how I lost myself with my career goals and questioned just what I was doing in school and no one, not my parents could tell me what to do because it was much easier for them to say it, than for me to do it. I sometimes feel Venus is going through something similar and it is hard to get back up there.

Jakeev
Apr 18th, 2005, 10:19 PM
Lolo8 made such a good point that it prompted me to consider further what may be ailing Venus. Of course this is all speculation, but I can't help thinking that Venus' only problem is her confidence (alone). IMO, the old Venus is not only back, but better than ever. The fact that she did take Lindsay 6-1 in the first set is proof enough for me. Venus is in the absolute best shape of her life. Her speed is there and shots are all there. And even though people down her forehand, I've seen marked improvement from a year ago. The 'physical' and 'athletic' Venus is clicking on all cylinders. The problem is that she over thinks her shots because she puts far too much pressure on herself. Think of it this way...
When was the last time Venus says that she was having fun out there?
In the past, she went out there with the right attitude. It was a fun job, win or lose. But now, she feels that she has to win, for reasons only she knows of. Also, consider that this tennis job hurt her, and that may also be in the back of her mind.
I too noticed that Venus tenses during certain crucial or key points. However, it's a completely different matter when she's playing Serena. She plays relaxed throughout and moves very well. This to me is again proof of her mental game being the culprit. In her mind , she knows that she can beat Serena, because she's done it many times before and she knows Serena's game.
Venus may do well to get a sports psychologist. I swore I'd never say that, but looking at how solid her overall game is, leads me to this conclusion.

Although I am still not convinced that I think at least Venus needs some outside coaching, I could not agree more that Venus should at least consider a sports psychologist to work on the mental aspect of her game.

I have to admit, I am still a little stunned by Vee's last two losses. She had Lindsay by the throat two weeks ago and lost it and then against Golovin, ugh, still can't believe that one.

But in the long run, it's all gonna be up to Venus how she begins handling pressure situations from here on out. I think she needs a major victory again and perhaps that could spur on some confidence in the rest of he game.

icequeen
Apr 18th, 2005, 10:35 PM
I've been observing Venus's matches at the nasdeq, charleston and Amelia island and I can tell you that I don't think Venus needs a new coach. Venus problem is MENTAL. How do you explain beating Lindsey Davenport 6-1 in the first set at Amelia Island and then totally tanking the next two? How do you explain Venus going to the finals at Antwerp serving for the match at 6-4 5-4 and then losing her serve and the match against Mauresmo? Venus chokes matches away. I've seen it so many times. I saw it when she played against Golovan. I don't even think her forehand is that bad. The problem is she gets nervous rushes her shots or over hits the ball. Venus gets too nervous and anxious out there.I can tell you it's nerves and getting a new coach won't help if her forehand can't stay calm during crucial points in matches.


You are so right with this post.

Lolo8
Apr 18th, 2005, 10:37 PM
Like I said it's MENTAL. It's a mental battle on the court being so self conscious thinking about when will that forehand breakdown down? The forehand thing isn't a tecnical problem because I've seen Venus hit some beautiful forehand shots. Venus would not have won 4 grandslams if it was that bad. It only breaks down when she gets nervous and then becomes self conscious about it. I also believe there is an EMOTIONAL battle going on outside the tennis court with this guy named Davide. Venus is not happy. I believe Venus will start enjoying playing tennis when she is happy off the court.Venus does not look like she enjoys being out there. Venus is only playing because she feel she has to prove something. Venus is not playing out of the love of the game. Venus is love sick over this Davide guy. Not only that, add up the injuries and the lose of her sister has had a major affect on her. Give the girl a break!

Rocketta
Apr 18th, 2005, 10:41 PM
Wow Lolo, what happened with Davide??? You sound like you are in the know. :unsure:

LeRoy.
Apr 18th, 2005, 10:45 PM
Wow Lolo, what happened with Davide??? You sound like you are in the know. :unsure:

We were all hoping you would get us some first-hand gossip from the players box. Was Davide there cheering Venus on ? :)

Lolo8
Apr 18th, 2005, 10:47 PM
Wow Lolo, what happened with Davide??? You sound like you are in the know. :unsure:
Well she posted to her fans on her website that she was sad because she had unfullfilled hopes keeping a friend that will remain nameless. I don't think she was talking about a woman. Someone here also mentioned that she and Davide were having problems.

Rocketta
Apr 18th, 2005, 10:48 PM
We were all hoping you would get us some first-hand gossip from the players box. Was Davide there cheering Venus on ? :)

No I've never seen Davide at Charleston this year or last.

Rocketta
Apr 18th, 2005, 10:49 PM
Well she posted to her fans on her website that she was sad because she had unfullfilled hopes keeping a friend that will remain nameless. I don't think she was talking about a woman. Someone here also mentioned that she and Davide were having problems.

Ohhhhh!!

:fiery: :fiery: @ Davide


:p

virtue05
Apr 19th, 2005, 01:05 AM
Hopefully FED Cup with BJK will help Venus. She seems to do so well when she gets around Billy, because Billy gives off positive energy. I think she is mentally tired as well from all the tennis she has played this year. I think the French will be good for Venus because she is going in with no preasure hopefully. After that loss to Golivon no one is going to give her a chance, so hopefully she can play loose.