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sebbe
Apr 17th, 2005, 08:03 PM
I think Karolina Sprem.

Who would you pick??

RenaSlam.
Apr 17th, 2005, 08:04 PM
Myskina. :)

tennislover
Apr 17th, 2005, 08:15 PM
:tape: :tape: :tape:

crazillo
Apr 17th, 2005, 08:22 PM
Uhhhm.........

No comment! ;)

JenFan75
Apr 17th, 2005, 08:24 PM
Oops!!! I thought it was underestimated, so I put LenaD, sorry to all my fellow Lena fans!!!!


My answer would be....Serena. :p

squash
Apr 17th, 2005, 08:27 PM
Maria Sharapova

RenaSlam.
Apr 17th, 2005, 08:34 PM
Maria Sharapova

You'll be eating your words shortly. Dumb ass. :rolleyes:

cartmancop
Apr 17th, 2005, 08:45 PM
Hantuchova

tennismaster8820
Apr 17th, 2005, 08:55 PM
Mary Pierce

sartrista7
Apr 17th, 2005, 08:58 PM
Capriati.

squash
Apr 17th, 2005, 09:00 PM
Will I not, no need for swearing. Swearing is a bad thing RenaSlam588. You should not take the ease way out. Don't swear, no need. This is just my opion.

You can not be a real Rena fan, if you love Sharapova. Get real !

sebbe
Apr 17th, 2005, 09:04 PM
Mary Pierce

Revenge or what ;) ??

Declan
Apr 17th, 2005, 09:05 PM
Mary Pierce

That's just stupid, as was the poster who nominated WIMBLEDON CHAMPION Maria Sharapova. Mary has won two Slams, been finalist in two others (once unseeded), spent six years in the Top Ten, and many more in the Top Thirty, has achieved incredible scores in wins over many all-time greats, and would undoubtedly have achieved even more had her career not been blighted by injuries in recent years. Whereas I do believe that everyone is entitled to their beliefs, this sort of fatuous nomination suggests some people are LESS entitled than others!!

TF Chipmunk
Apr 17th, 2005, 09:05 PM
You'll be eating your words shortly. Dumb ass. :rolleyes:

Is that a threat?

sebbe
Apr 17th, 2005, 09:08 PM
That's just stupid, as was the poster who nominated WIMBLEDON CHAMPION Maria Sharapova. Mary has won two Slams, been finalist in two others (once unseeded), spent six years in the Top Ten, and many more in the Top Thirty, has achieved incredible scores in wins over many all-time greats, and would undoubtedly have achieved even more had her career not been blighted by injuries in recent years. Whereas I do believe that everyone is entitled to their beliefs, this sort of fatuous nomination suggests some people are LESS entitled than others!!

I totally agree with you...Mary is a legend

selyoink
Apr 17th, 2005, 09:17 PM
Hantuchova or Dokic. I think both were very lucky to get ranked as high as they were.

I think with Sprem she just got a ton of fans because of one tournament and now people are realizing is she isn't as good as people thought after Wimbledon.

sebbe
Apr 17th, 2005, 09:23 PM
Hantuchova or Dokic. I think both were very lucky to get ranked as high as they were.

I think with Sprem she just got a ton of fans because of one tournament and now people are realizing is she isn't as good as people thought after Wimbledon.


That's what I mean....
and also, she has a bad win/loss record this year...to many errors

deja_entendu
Apr 17th, 2005, 09:34 PM
Nadia Petrova, end of story. She has the same ugly game as Venus, only she is ridiculously slow. Fortunately she isn't a threat to anybody decent so whenever I see her on TV she's getting a well-deserved beat-down. :)

auntie janie
Apr 17th, 2005, 10:08 PM
I'd say, over the years, it's been Capriati. Definitely Hantuchova at one point in time, but no one is overestimating her any more. Possibly Myskina, but we'll see, won't we?

Maria Croft
Apr 17th, 2005, 10:13 PM
Mary Pierce


and winning 2 slams was just luck ?? oh please !!

Tati & Dani
Apr 17th, 2005, 10:18 PM
Hantuchova or Dokic. I think both were very lucky to get ranked as high as they were.

I think with Sprem she just got a ton of fans because of one tournament and now people are realizing is she isn't as good as people thought after Wimbledon.

myskina

biggest choker on tour

Kunal
Apr 17th, 2005, 10:29 PM
these days....i would have to say venus...although i like her game

alwayshingis
Apr 17th, 2005, 11:02 PM
I would agree with Myskina (even over Venus)

but my pick would go to Zvonareva. She's rarely shown me anything.

blumaroo
Apr 17th, 2005, 11:11 PM
Myskina though I think most of the posters see her weaknesses now.
Capriati - I like her but I don't think her game is that oustanding compared to others despite the slams she has won.
Hantuchova when she was high ranked.

clonesheep
Apr 17th, 2005, 11:16 PM
Lindsay Davenport, I would say. Just think her head-2-head against the Belgians is 0-11 in the last 11 matches they played.

Fingon
Apr 17th, 2005, 11:17 PM
Petrova, no contest here.

deja_entendu
Apr 17th, 2005, 11:24 PM
I'd also like to add how all of Petrova's "big wins" and bonus points have come from REMARKABLE timing, as she's beaten the "elite" at their absolute worst, respectively: Serena, 2nd tournament back, 1st on clay from a long injury, Justine when she had that horrible virus, Hingis and Seles at the end of their careers (literally the last match of their careers)... so as it stands she managed to beat Capriati at the French, a Capriati who, by the way, had not won a tournament in a year and a half. After that, Petrova's list of "big wins" drops off severely, as does her list of tournament wins, and her list of decent shots other than her serve :wavey:

fOxYLiCiOuS
Apr 17th, 2005, 11:50 PM
Hantuchova/Dokic :)

tennnisfannn
Apr 17th, 2005, 11:54 PM
don't you have to define what 'overestimated' means? Does it also mean overrated, in that case venus would not be, one who is overrated is one people expect so mcuh from and fails to dliever, she is hyoed to win or go far in the draw, venus does not get that anymore, actually most people expect very little from her i.e besides her fans of course.

alwayshingis
Apr 17th, 2005, 11:56 PM
Lindsay Davenport, I would say. Just think her head-2-head against the Belgians is 0-11 in the last 11 matches they played.

Not at all right now. You can't compare her record against the Belgians because since she has raised the level of her game significantly, they have been out. I would say that Lindsay, Clijsters, Sharapova, and maybe now Justine are playing the best tennis.

Munchen
Apr 17th, 2005, 11:57 PM
Daniela Hantuchova I felt is very overated. Only 1 title still.

yukon145
Apr 18th, 2005, 12:15 AM
any slam winner can't be overestimated

Tati & Dani
Apr 18th, 2005, 12:26 AM
Daniela Hantuchova I felt is very overated. Only 1 title still.

she's not overrated !! she gonne win titles again, im sure of it

_LuCaS_
Apr 18th, 2005, 04:09 AM
myskina

biggest choker on tour
This has nothing to do with the current slump right? Of course not


any slam winner can't be overestimated

Hey, let's not forget about the planets aligning thing, you know it happens every year or so :tape: :rolleyes:

Paldias
Apr 18th, 2005, 04:28 AM
Nadia Petrova
Francesca Schiavone

Munchen
Apr 18th, 2005, 06:01 AM
she's not overrated !! she gonne win titles again, im sure of it


so you bad rep me? :confused: Some people :tape:

Cant I post what I think? :rolleyes:

SelesFan70
Apr 18th, 2005, 06:12 AM
Alexus Jones... :rolleyes:

But really, I"d have to say Jana Novotna. Myskina doesn't have the stranglehold on choking...believe me. :o

SpikeyAidanm
Apr 18th, 2005, 06:33 AM
Pierce.

deja_entendu
Apr 18th, 2005, 06:41 AM
Actually, I agree with the whole Mary Pierce sentiment, so many people say she's so great, she hits it so hard and she gets in a zone, blah blah blah, well this ain't 1996 and Pierce can barely waddle her ass to her opponent's shots, and her "power" is rather average in this day and age...

Pamela Shriver
Apr 18th, 2005, 06:56 AM
Chris Evert.

syd
Apr 18th, 2005, 07:08 AM
Hantuchova, myskina,

Carsten
Apr 18th, 2005, 07:51 AM
Myskina :)

tennismaster8820
Apr 18th, 2005, 09:45 AM
Actually, I agree with the whole Mary Pierce sentiment, so many people say she's so great, she hits it so hard and she gets in a zone, blah blah blah, well this ain't 1996 and Pierce can barely waddle her ass to her opponent's shots, and her "power" is rather average in this day and age...

That's true! I think that Sprem is a top 20 player (usually), when she gets her act together for sure and that's not overestimating! And when I said Pierce, it was a joke! ;)
No one is overestimated, the ranking says it all!!

V-MAC
Apr 18th, 2005, 09:52 AM
Sprem for sure.

sandra_c
Apr 18th, 2005, 10:52 AM
Hantuchova

fOxYLiCiOuS
Apr 18th, 2005, 11:42 PM
Alot of players are saying Hantuchova.

Have you been badrepped yet? :)

SzavayFi
Apr 19th, 2005, 12:32 AM
Alot of players are saying Hantuchova.

Have you been badrepped yet? :)
:rolleyes:......I dont badrep people for their opinions, even though daniela isnt overrated and if you watch her matches when she was at the top she clearly belonged there. I would say Karatencheva is overrated, shes only 15 but overrated.

WhatTheDeuce
Apr 19th, 2005, 12:45 AM
How the hell is Dokic overestimated by anyone? Maybe at one point in time she was higher than she was "supposed" to be (marginally)... but she's ranked like 3805719058 now. She's extremely underestimated at this point.

fOxYLiCiOuS
Apr 19th, 2005, 06:02 AM
:rolleyes:......I dont badrep people for their opinions, even though daniela isnt overrated and if you watch her matches when she was at the top she clearly belonged there. I would say Karatencheva is overrated, shes only 15 but overrated.

I thought before her problems in 2003 early 2004, that she was an overestimated player. She hadn`t really shown anything, and after IW, alot of people were expecting her to make her move up the rankings and in the major events.

Regardless of problems or not, I think they overestimated her @ such a young age! :)

This year has been really good though! :)

:rolleyes: dani-fan-belgium keeps bad repping me. :tape:


Allez Mary! :hearts: :kiss:

Philbo
Apr 19th, 2005, 06:20 AM
Steffi Graf - The luckiest player in the history of WTA..

Took # 1 spot from an ageing Navratilova, loses it to Seles, then gets it handed back to her, then cleans up for a couple of years to the point where she has a claim on being the best ever..

Thats over rated..

Munchen
Apr 19th, 2005, 07:48 AM
she's not overrated !! she gonne win titles again, im sure of it

:lol: Im waiting ..

anymore of your friends going to badrep me? :lol: :tape:

stenen
Apr 19th, 2005, 08:07 AM
Actually, I agree with the whole Mary Pierce sentiment, so many people say she's so great, she hits it so hard and she gets in a zone, blah blah blah, well this ain't 1996 and Pierce can barely waddle her ass to her opponent's shots, and her "power" is rather average in this day and age...

The topic starter wrote "who's the most overestimated player" without a timeline limit. You're referring the current time whereas I think he meant a longer time aspect. In fact a longer time aspect is better to look at because for those who currently are active players it's too early to say anything just yet. Apart from that any slam winner + top-10 player can't be overestimated, Pierce fits in both categories.

For a singles player my pick would Kournikova even if she made it to top-10 in 2000 (highest ranking 8 in Nov 2000).

mandy7
Apr 19th, 2005, 08:07 AM
anymore of your friends going to badrep me? :lol: :tape:
if that's what you want, just say so
cause i can take care of that for ya :)

Dan23
Apr 19th, 2005, 08:32 AM
I am a fan of Dani but I still think she is yet to live up to her potential...if that makes her overestimated then I suppose I agree..:)
She has had a few chances recently to show everyone what she can do but hasnt been good enough on the day...luckily she still has time on her side

I dont see why people should get bad repped for voicing their opinion in a decent way :cool:

fOxYLiCiOuS
Apr 19th, 2005, 08:40 AM
I am a fan of Dani but I still think she is yet to live up to her potential...if that makes her overestimated then I suppose I agree..:)
She has had a few chances recently to show everyone what she can do but hasnt been good enough on the day...luckily she still has time on her side

I dont see why people should get bad repped for voicing their opinion in a decent way :cool:

:) I know, we arent putting shit on her. She has won mixed GS titles and made finals of dubless in GS, she can play tennis. She just hasn`t reached her potential. Some of her fans are children, they need to grow up some.

Mandy7 - Threats now? Very childish indeed. :o

mandy7
Apr 19th, 2005, 08:42 AM
Mandy7 - Threats now? Very childish indeed. :o

that wasn't a threat, that was a question

fOxYLiCiOuS
Apr 19th, 2005, 08:49 AM
if that's what you want, just say so
cause i can take care of that for ya :)


:o Yes it was. There were no questions in your statement.

Not specifically a threat, but you answered by saying you can arrange for more bad reps off your friends to happen... what do you call that? :)

mandy7
Apr 19th, 2005, 08:58 AM
:o Yes it was. There were no questions in your statement.

Not specifically a threat, but you answered by saying you can arrange for more bad reps off your friends to happen... what do you call that? :)

not a threat

ceiling_fan
Apr 19th, 2005, 09:03 AM
karatantcheva.... she hasn't shown anything special

Roxers
Apr 19th, 2005, 09:33 AM
Hantuchova


I also want to be badrepped from dani-fan Belgium :crazy:

Roxers
Apr 19th, 2005, 09:42 AM
ah, Mandy already did it for him :yeah: :kiss:

mandy7
Apr 19th, 2005, 09:50 AM
you're welcome :hug:
yeah, he's out today, and i just felt like someone had to do it :D

syd
Apr 19th, 2005, 09:51 AM
Originally Posted by dani-fan Belgium
she's not overrated !! she gonne win titles again, im sure of it
i'm sure of the opposite !!!

Tati & Dani
Apr 19th, 2005, 11:14 AM
karatantcheva.... she hasn't shown anything special

she's 14-15 i think that's normal :)
but they talk a lot of her , that's true, but thats just because she's a big talent. i think we have to waith a year of 5 to see if she's really that good.

i hope :p

hablo
Apr 19th, 2005, 11:22 AM
You'll be eating your words shortly. Dumb ass. :rolleyes:

:rolleyes:

hablo
Apr 19th, 2005, 11:28 AM
any slam winner can't be overestimated

Ya, I myself can't believe Capriati, Pierce and Myskina have been named!!!!! :lol:

hablo
Apr 19th, 2005, 11:30 AM
Chris Evert.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Dominic
Apr 19th, 2005, 12:26 PM
Definatli Capriati Schiavone and Petrova.

stenen
Apr 19th, 2005, 12:40 PM
Definatli Capriati Schiavone and Petrova.

Capriati? You can't be serious. :haha:
3 slams, win loss record singles 430-176, reached #1 ranking Oct 2001 which also was her best overall year.
H2H with your favourite player Dokic 5-1 :tape:

Ok ok everyone's entitled to have their perception of things. ;)

Sevenseas
Apr 19th, 2005, 12:54 PM
Capriati? You can't be serious. :haha:
3 slams, win loss record singles 430-176, reached #1 ranking Oct 2001 which also was her best overall year.

Very well said, stenen. :)

stenen
Apr 19th, 2005, 12:56 PM
Very well said, stenen. :)

Thanks! :wavey:
I forgot one more thing about Capriati. She won singles gold medal at Barcelona Olympics 1992.

Sevenseas
Apr 19th, 2005, 12:58 PM
Thanks! :wavey:
I forgot one more thing about Capriati. She won singles gold medal at Barcelona Olympics 1992.

Oh yes, I hope she comes back very soon. :sad: She is a real fighter. :)

clijstersfan20
Apr 19th, 2005, 01:07 PM
i think it is hard to call anybody overestimated--- most players have good years and bad years if they got there ranking high during a good year then have a bad year the next year then they might have a high ranking part of the year but then eventually it drops down or stays up depending on if their play gets better throughout the year-- i dont think any players performance is overestimated-- although i do think some are overhyped--i.e ana kournikova-- she had one good year- getting to the semis at wimbledon- but all the rest sucked but the media always hyped her up anyways- and we would have to watch her matches which were painful to look at

Foot's Fingers
Apr 19th, 2005, 02:10 PM
sprem
or sesil

köj-è
Apr 19th, 2005, 02:15 PM
Jelena Dokic..

stijntje
Apr 19th, 2005, 03:31 PM
vera zvonareva perhaps...
she's a good player, but is she world class?!

I doubt, but she can proove me wronge... ;)

Martian Jeza
Apr 19th, 2005, 03:39 PM
The sisters of course... Specialy Venus but Serena is not far away from her sister... And pls don't come with the 7 slams of Serena, how many did she win against her sister ? A couple, I would say...

V-MAC
Apr 19th, 2005, 03:40 PM
I think if there was a poll, Sprem would walk it :p

DA FOREHAND
Apr 19th, 2005, 05:27 PM
The sisters of course... Specialy Venus but Serena is not far away from her sister... And pls don't come with the 7 slams of Serena, how many did she win against her sister ? A couple, I would say...


Only the fan of a player w/one title would be dumb enough to say that. :retard:


I don't think Hantu is overestimated, because while there may be potential there, she's too damned slow to ever threaten the top

I'd say Myskina.

Knizzle
Apr 19th, 2005, 05:30 PM
The sisters of course... Specialy Venus but Serena is not far away from her sister... And pls don't come with the 7 slams of Serena, how many did she win against her sister ? A couple, I would say...

How is either sister overestimated? Just admit you wanted to say it, but have nothing to back up this claim.

lolas
Apr 19th, 2005, 05:40 PM
I think Zvonareva is overestimated. I was very pissed when she qualified for YEC just because she played about 10 tournaments more then Venus Williams and Jennifer Capriati.

Martian Jeza
Apr 19th, 2005, 06:10 PM
Only the fan of a player w/one title would be dumb enough to say that. :retard:


I don't think Hantu is overestimated, because while there may be potential there, she's too damned slow to ever threaten the top

I'd say Myskina.

I don't need slam titles or major titles ( T 1, YEC ) to be proud of my faves... That's not the case of many Royal Court fans...

Martian Jeza
Apr 19th, 2005, 06:11 PM
How is either sister overestimated? Just admit you wanted to say it, but have nothing to back up this claim.

It's a long time ago Venus won a "big" title....

Ellery
Apr 19th, 2005, 06:28 PM
Zvonareva and Hantuchova

Stamp Paid
Apr 19th, 2005, 06:48 PM
Alicia Molik, for damn sure.

Stamp Paid
Apr 19th, 2005, 06:51 PM
Martian CFC = Tool. :)

Martian Jeza
Apr 19th, 2005, 06:52 PM
Martian CFC = Tool. :)

Oki Justin : thx

gmak
Apr 19th, 2005, 07:26 PM
Hantuchova, Myskina and Dokic ( a few years back )

kiwifan
Apr 19th, 2005, 07:39 PM
The sisters of course... Specialy Venus but Serena is not far away from her sister... And pls don't come with the 7 slams of Serena, how many did she win against her sister ? A couple, I would say...

You are such an idiot. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Did the rest of the WTA not play in those Slams? :rolleyes:

Oh no, Venus and Serena just showed up on the last day, huh? :retard:

But since you're always attacking them... :yawn:

kiwifan
Apr 19th, 2005, 07:43 PM
Hantuchova, Myskina, Kournie (If she's still trying to play) and Mauresmo

There's one more but I don't want to piss off Lynx.

patricio
Apr 19th, 2005, 07:44 PM
I'd say, over the years, it's been Capriati. Definitely Hantuchova at one point in time, but no one is overestimating her any more. Possibly Myskina, but we'll see, won't we?
No, im sorry, players like Serena or Jennifer (and as much i dislike serena) cannot be count as overestimated player. I mean, you could say that Majoli's win at RG could be like a coincidence or a one time hit and then she was a fluke, but Capriati whos been 3 times gS champion being a top 10 for like 10 years, you cant say she is overestimated.

patricio
Apr 19th, 2005, 07:46 PM
guys, Serena and Venus won lots of GS, YOU HAVE TO COUNT THEM OUT FROM THIS LIST. Its just so pathetic that some guys here hate someone so much that dont accept they are great champions and that will never fade away

patricio
Apr 19th, 2005, 07:47 PM
I could say Myskina is overestimated, like everybody expects more from her, though she has time to prove us wrong

_LuCaS_
Apr 19th, 2005, 07:51 PM
No, im sorry, players like Serena or Jennifer (and as much i dislike serena) cannot be count as overestimated player. I mean, you could say that Majoli's win at RG could be like a coincidence or a one time hit and then she was a fluke, but Capriati whos been 3 times gS champion being a top 10 for like 10 years, you cant say she is overestimated.
This is just another chance to show who you dislike, nothing more.
Players like Jen,Serena and Anastasia overestimated? :haha: :bolt:

FrauleinSteffi
Apr 19th, 2005, 07:54 PM
the Russians except for Maria.....sometimes Venus & Serena & Sprem for sure ......

_LuCaS_
Apr 19th, 2005, 07:56 PM
I could say Myskina is overestimated, like everybody expects more from her, though she has time to prove us wrong
Nobody expects more from Myskina(maybe except the fans) and the polls show it. She is the most underestimated player in the top 10 that for sure

DevilishAttitude
Apr 19th, 2005, 08:02 PM
GS champions can never be over-estimated :)

Hantuchova is by her fans. Dementieva if you consider her finals performances. She's a good player to face.

Oneofakind0490
Apr 19th, 2005, 08:07 PM
Hantuchova and Petrova.

jimbo mack
Apr 19th, 2005, 08:32 PM
i cant believe how many people are saying myskina :eek:.......you cant just judge her whole career on recent performances, she's had a great career so far

Knizzle
Apr 19th, 2005, 09:07 PM
It's a long time ago Venus won a "big" title....

So how does that make her overestimated?

Tennisaddict
Apr 19th, 2005, 09:08 PM
Myskina, not because she's slumping right now, but because she wasn't that good before her Roland Garros win either. I don't want to offend any Myskina fans but she has taken full profit of the open field. The top last year was either coming back in horrid form or were out injured. When the WS and the Belgians were healthy and playing in top form, she was always stopped in the quarterfinals or other rounds in the slams. But I do commend her for taking a slam when the possibility was there :yeah:.
Too bad Davenport and Mauresmo didn't. Both of them should have won Wimbledon, Us Open and Roland Garros respectively.

_LuCaS_
Apr 19th, 2005, 09:23 PM
This is getting old, same bulls@#t over and over again :zzz:
When the WS and the Belgians were healthy and playing in top form, she was always stopped in the quarterfinals or other rounds in the slams.
2003 titles - Doha, Sarasota, Leipzig, Moscow :rolleyes:

Knizzle
Apr 19th, 2005, 09:24 PM
This is getting old, same bulls@#t over and over again :zzz:

2003 titles - Doha, Sarasota, Leipzig, Moscow :rolleyes:

Those aren't slams. Outside that FO, she has never made it past the QF of a slam.

_LuCaS_
Apr 19th, 2005, 09:30 PM
SHe/he refferer to slams? my bad then

Tennisaddict
Apr 19th, 2005, 09:33 PM
2003 titles - Doha, Sarasota, Leipzig, Moscow :rolleyes:

I never knew these were slams :rolleyes:.

My point is while Myskina is a good player when she hits form, she is not in the league of the WS and the Belgians when they hit form, and I don't think she ever will be, I could be proven wrong though.

All she has proven in the past is that she is a solid lower half top ten player.

Tennisaddict
Apr 19th, 2005, 09:37 PM
SHe/he refferer to slams? my bad then

No problem, just ignore my last post as I just read yours :o.

_LuCaS_
Apr 19th, 2005, 09:45 PM
I never knew these were slams :rolleyes:.
you're a little late, already acknowledged my mistake :angel:

My point is while Myskina is a good player when she hits form, she is not in the league of the WS and the Belgians when they hit form, and I don't think she ever will be, I could be proven wrong though.

All she has proven in the past is that she is a solid lower half top ten player.
I could be proven wrong of course ;).
Never stated that she is better than the WS or the Belgians. But tennis is weird, if you tend to asociate it with calculus, because H2H can confuse you:
Sharapova-Serena 2-2
SHarapova-Myskina 1-3
Myskina-Serena 0-1

sebbe
Apr 19th, 2005, 09:48 PM
I really don't understand people who say that the Williams-sisters and capriati are overestimated. So great champions.

Knizzle
Apr 19th, 2005, 09:49 PM
I don't need slam titles or major titles ( T 1, YEC ) to be proud of my faves... That's not the case of many Royal Court fans...

As if Venus and Serena were born with GS titles. I remember when they had NONE.

_LuCaS_
Apr 19th, 2005, 09:54 PM
Just to wrap it Myskina can't be overestimated because, I repeat, she
is never expected to win a tourney or a top 10 clash (actually now her loss to a top 100 player is no surprise) . How can she be overestimated? :cuckoo:

Knizzle
Apr 19th, 2005, 09:58 PM
Just to wrap it Myskina can't be overestimated because, I repeat, she
is never expected to win a tourney or a top 10 clash (actually now her loss to a top 100 player is no surprise) . How can she be overestimated? :cuckoo:

Her FO win still garners alot of praise. Not that it shouldn't, but she has the rep for being able to outthink all of her opponents and that she is the next Hingis and all of that. While other more accomplished players get bashed like they don't know how to construct a point. Myskina's career results up to this point don't support that kind of talk.

Mana
Apr 19th, 2005, 10:00 PM
I really HATE to say this because I love this girl with all my heart but, Nadia Petrova for sure!

_LuCaS_
Apr 19th, 2005, 10:03 PM
Her FO win still garners alot of praise. Not that it shouldn't, but she has the rep for being able to outthink all of her opponents and that she is the next Hingis and all of that. While other more accomplished players get bashed like they don't know how to construct a point. Myskina's career results up to this point don't support that kind of talk.
Let me see, she has no real weapons, still she won a GS title, you must have something in order to do this, except from the help from the gods and the influence of the planets aligning.
And stating that she can outthink all of her opponents is rather childish, don't tell me you took it seriously.

Tennisaddict
Apr 19th, 2005, 10:06 PM
you're a little late, already acknowledged my mistake :angel:

Never stated that she is better than the WS or the Belgians. But tennis is weird, if you tend to asociate it with calculus, because H2H can confuse you:
Sharapova-Serena 2-2
SHarapova-Myskina 1-3
Myskina-Serena 0-1

Where did I say that you stated that Myskina is better than the WS or the Belgians :confused: ? I stated that she isn't ;).

H2H Myskina-Serena is 0-3 btw :wavey:.

_LuCaS_
Apr 19th, 2005, 10:13 PM
Where did I say that you stated that Myskina is better than the WS or the Belgians :confused: ? I stated that she isn't ;).

You didn't, you implied.

H2H Myskina-Serena is 0-3 btw :wavey:.
She's 0-4 btw :lol:
ok, we're both tired :D....:zzz:

Knizzle
Apr 19th, 2005, 10:19 PM
Let me see, she has no real weapons, still she won a GS title, you must have something in order to do this, except from the help from the gods and the influence of the planets aligning.
And stating that she can outthink all of her opponents is rather childish, don't tell me you took it seriously.

Well listening to her fans(particularly sartrista) and others you would think it was true. Who said she had no weapons?? She has good groundies especially her BH. Hits with good power. She is a smart player also.

_LuCaS_
Apr 19th, 2005, 10:22 PM
Who said she had no weapons??
about 90% of the wtaworld posters ;)

Tennisaddict
Apr 19th, 2005, 10:22 PM
You didn't, you implied.

She's 0-4 btw :lol:
ok, we're both tired :D....:zzz:

I think you're the one who's doing the implying my friend .......... :cool:.

:lol: about the 0-4 that is my bad indeed.
I'm not tired, see here you go again with the implying (just kidding) :p :lol:.

I wish you a good night and sweet dreams :wavey:.

_LuCaS_
Apr 19th, 2005, 10:27 PM
I'm not tired, see here you go again with the implying (just kidding) :p :lol:.

my bad then :D

I wish you a good night and sweet dreams :wavey:.
what's left of it :) thanks :wavey:

FrauleinSteffi
Apr 20th, 2005, 12:17 AM
The Williams are great champs no doubt no disrespect intended...but they are hyped up like Maria but Serena did win a biggie this year finally again but Venus outside of beating Serena this year nothing...Vera making the YEC playing that many tourneys whatever!....Jen is still #11 with only 8 tourneys how is she overestimated? Even Maria shes #2! I do think Momo is overhyped ...is she ever going to win a Slam? Kim & Justine have proven theyre back this year no doubt...Steffi deserves her 22 Slams like Evert & Navi & Court & King & the other all time greats.....these players are all wonderful but of course Graf & Navi & Seles & Court & Evert & King & Willis & Serena among others of course rise above I do hope Jen comes back soon!:)

F-R-E-A-K
Apr 20th, 2005, 12:31 AM
The sisters of course... Specialy Venus but Serena is not far away from her sister... And pls don't come with the 7 slams of Serena, how many did she win against her sister ? A couple, I would say...


:haha:


:rolls:

DA FOREHAND
Apr 20th, 2005, 02:06 PM
The Williams are great champs no doubt no disrespect intended...but they are hyped up like Maria but Serena did win a biggie this year finally again but Venus outside of beating Serena this year nothing...Vera making the YEC playing that many tourneys whatever!....Jen is still #11 with only 8 tourneys how is she overestimated? Even Maria shes #2! I do think Momo is overhyped ...is she ever going to win a Slam? Kim & Justine have proven theyre back this year no doubt...Steffi deserves her 22 Slams like Evert & Navi & Court & King & the other all time greats.....these players are all wonderful but of course Graf & Navi & Seles & Court & Evert & King & Willis & Serena among others of course rise above I do hope Jen comes back soon!:)

"Jen is still #11 with only 8 tourneys how is she overestimated?"

Venus was top ten w/just as many tournaments at one point...so you were saying?..........

Myskina is not overestimated....she's not expected to beat any of the top five players in big tournaments.

alex.2812
Apr 20th, 2005, 04:09 PM
henin hardenne

bandabou
Apr 20th, 2005, 05:14 PM
A player who has reached at least the Qf at EVERY major she's played since the 2000 aus open and has 7 majors is overestimated? Ok...

beall420
Apr 20th, 2005, 05:20 PM
Definitely imo Maria sharapova. She is not bringing anything new to the game and her game is not fully developed.

of course people will say" she is only eighteen" I just think its to early to be hypind her the way people are.

how would you fill if you were kuvnetsova or myskina who both won slams the same year she did . but have not gotten hyped and eendorsed like she has.

if she looked like kuvnetsova or myuskina no one would be still talking about her

FrauleinSteffi
Apr 20th, 2005, 07:32 PM
Venus & Jen & serena play fewer tourneys & still are ranked highly point taken...Myskina said this year her goal was to be #1 in the world my response dream on!

davidmario
Apr 20th, 2005, 07:45 PM
Shahar Peer, Sesil Karatantcheva;

_LuCaS_
Apr 20th, 2005, 07:49 PM
Myskina said this year her goal was to be #1 in the world my response dream on!
Is the year over yet? Keep these comments to yourself

fOxYLiCiOuS
Apr 20th, 2005, 10:45 PM
Now mousee the big bad rep sissy is bad repping me.

FrauleinSteffi
Apr 21st, 2005, 12:02 AM
Myskina will never be#1 but Maria will be soon:)

dreamgoddess099
Apr 21st, 2005, 12:33 AM
I can't believe no one mentioned Sania Mirza. As much as I love what she's doing for Indian tennis, the chick has had an incredible increase in attention and endorsements from taking 4 games off Serena. Talk about having the touch of gold, Serena was right when she said she makes stars.

Stamp Paid
Apr 21st, 2005, 01:06 AM
Nobody else thinks Molik is overrated? :awww:

clijstersfan20
Apr 21st, 2005, 01:20 AM
Myskina will never be#1 but Maria will be soon:)


not dissing maria or anything- but i dont think she is ready to be no. 1 and for that matter i will be really surprised if she wins a major this year- she needs to develope more first

_LuCaS_
Apr 21st, 2005, 04:14 AM
Myskina will never be#1 but Maria will be soon:)
Yes and Myskina will still be 3-1 in H2H

Knizzle
Apr 21st, 2005, 04:15 AM
Nobody else thinks Molik is overrated? :awww:

Well she DID beat Venus, which means SO MUCH even though everyone says Venus sucks so bad.

FrauleinSteffi
Apr 21st, 2005, 07:55 PM
Myskina will never be #1 & she hasnt beaten anyone inside the top 20 this year...if she doesnt do well in the French Open I wonder how she will stay in the top 10 this year

alfonsojose
Apr 21st, 2005, 08:34 PM
Molik. Pure serve. Her bakchand is a crime :ras:

andrewbroad
Apr 21st, 2005, 09:27 PM
I think Zvonareva is overestimated. I was very ****** when she qualified for YEC just because she played about 10 tournaments more then Venus Williams and Jennifer Capriati.

No way! For a current top-ten player, Bepa seems to get the minimum amount of attention from the media and most tennis-fans. :(

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Munchen
Jun 13th, 2005, 06:22 AM
Sprem :)

roxi
Jun 13th, 2005, 08:02 AM
Vera Zvonareva

Libertango
Jun 13th, 2005, 09:02 AM
Well the title of the thread is, "the most overestimated player" - not "over-rated" so basically, which players do we expect too highly of??? My answer would be Myskina, Hantuchova and Sprem. But that doesn't mean they aren't good players and don't deserve their achievements so far in their careers. They just don't always get the results we expect of them.......

Shoulderpova
Jun 13th, 2005, 09:13 AM
:yawn:

Dinkie
Jun 13th, 2005, 09:18 AM
If overestimated means succesfull but yet not a good all-round player I would go with Sharapova and Capriati. They are hardcourt hitters but their game is forgettable although I like to watch Capriati's matches because there always seems to happen something unexpected. I can't watch Sharapova; the hype, the noise and the absence of any creative input puts me off.

Shoulderpova
Jun 13th, 2005, 09:34 AM
:yawn:

Shoulderpova
Jun 13th, 2005, 09:35 AM
I wonder when will this shit stop? :yawn: :yawn:

Dinkie
Jun 13th, 2005, 09:49 AM
I wonder when will this shit stop? :yawn: :yawn:

Well, apparently it's interesting enough for you to stop by every 20 minutes.

Mr_Molik
Jun 13th, 2005, 10:28 AM
Nobody else thinks Molik is overrated?
No. But I think Petrova is. :awww:

Dasha_
Jun 13th, 2005, 10:38 AM
I think Sharapova. And if you start thinking about her game and her successes this year, and stop thinking about her looks, you will agree with me.

Szymanowski
Jun 13th, 2005, 10:42 AM
I stopped thinking about her looks long ago.

I think those who are obsessed by her looks, do overestimate her. But I think generally she is just as valid a challenger as Lindsay, Serena or Justine.

Dasha_
Jun 13th, 2005, 10:45 AM
II think those who are obsessed by her looks, do overestimate her.

And we finally agree abou something.
Should I be ashamed off my self because of that?

xan
Jun 13th, 2005, 10:58 AM
I think Sharapova. And if you start thinking about her game and her successes this year, and stop thinking about her looks, you will agree with me.

How funny then that your icon is Serena with the plate that this "over-estimated Maria took from her with a no-sweat 6-1 6-4! ;)

http://www.mariaworld.net/wimbledon04358.jpg

Dasha_
Jun 13th, 2005, 11:03 AM
You obviously aren't so much smart when you post the same thing on every thread.
And, about that photo - you could also post that silly one from that silly Tier III.

My houmble oppinion is that Serena will hold it again, and that sharapova will just look at that least year's photo ....

*JR*
Jun 13th, 2005, 11:18 AM
Hantuchova, Myskina, Kournie (If she's still trying to play)
I'm glad not 2B the only one to mention the "Goddess", though I do NOT think she'll ever return other than in exo's (unless she "goes thru the motions" to say: See, I tried).

I agree with the many ppl ITT who listed Hantuchovarated and Petrovarated. But I'd cut Myskina some slack about this year, due to her mother's illness. (I realize some of said posts are from B4 she revealed that).

I still hope Momo will win a Slam, though that seems increasingly like a lost cause. And if she's ovarated, so is Kim (though she's 4 years younger, and has gone further in Slams than Amelie).

But "in the final analysis" neither has won a Slam yet. Jen, Justine, Sharky, Mah-reee, Linzi, and both W/S have, among those I think were also mentioned ITT.

Of course, neither Anna nor Nadya ever won a title, period.

sebbe
Jun 13th, 2005, 11:29 AM
Sprem :)


I would still say Sprem for sure...

xan
Jun 13th, 2005, 11:35 AM
You obviously aren't so much smart when you post the same thing on every thread.
Every thread? Just the threads where you make silly comments.

And, about that photo - you could also post that silly one from that silly Tier III.
Silly Tier III? Oh, you mean the only warm-up tournament on grass with a week to go until Wimbledon? A Tier III only because of the low prize-money, not the quality of play. And I see Federer and Roddick also played "silly" tournaments that week.

So it was a good win for Masha - and just for you....

http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/nm/20050612/mdf582753.jpg

My houmble oppinion is that Serena will hold it again, and that sharapova will just look at that least year's photo ....
Or even the other way round... :p

Dasha_
Jun 13th, 2005, 11:39 AM
So, how many Top 20 players were there - 3,4? Talking about the quality of play.

WIMBLY2004
Jun 13th, 2005, 11:42 AM
You obviously aren't so much smart when you post the same thing on every thread.


Are you talking about yourself? You are trolling in every threat about Maria, you are so obsessed :D

Dasha_
Jun 13th, 2005, 11:43 AM
Every thread? Just the threads where you make silly comments.



You defenetly aren't very smart when you think that posting facts is making silly coments.

Dasha_
Jun 13th, 2005, 11:46 AM
Are you talking about yourself? You are trolling in every threat about Maria, you are so obsessed :D

Or did you mean thread?


I belive this thread is called "The most overestimated player?". If you think it has something to do with sharapova by default, then that is your problem.

Bероника
Jun 13th, 2005, 02:38 PM
Hantuchova

Szymanowski
Jun 13th, 2005, 07:40 PM
And we finally agree abou something.
Should I be ashamed off my self because of that?
:confused:

sorry; when did I say You should be ashamed? I don't get what you mean :confused:

It's a fact there's gonna be people who don't know or give a shit about tennis, and see a pretty blonde, and think she's gonna rule the world. That doesn't stop her from being a good tennis player though, you must understand ;)

You defenetly aren't very smart when you think that posting facts is making silly coments.You contradict yourself dear ;)

If you post facts, fair enough ;) Now Xan just said:

How funny then that your icon is Serena with the plate that this "over-estimated Maria took from her with a no-sweat 6-1 6-4!
And you say he's not smart when he posts this fact! ;)

I know Xan, and most of his posts have very valid, good points ;)

But I still like you Dasha - yu :hug: :wavey: :p

No Name Face
Jun 13th, 2005, 07:44 PM
I think Amelie because she doesn't seem to have the mental strength to live up to her hype. No offense to her fans, but you can't really say I'm wrong with that assessment.

Szymanowski
Jun 13th, 2005, 07:45 PM
I don't think Amelie's over hyped. She hasn't lived up to her own standards in slams, infortunately. But I don't think she's really hyped by the media as the winner of every next slam.

FrauleinSteffi
Apr 29th, 2008, 01:35 AM
Maria will always be known as the top female Russian player of all time and Myskina is preggers and has to appear on idiotic Russian Skating with the Stars program I love it! :)

FrauleinSteffi
Apr 29th, 2008, 01:36 AM
She Is Over!

Il Primo!
Apr 29th, 2008, 01:50 AM
Mauresmo.

mirzalover
Apr 29th, 2008, 01:54 AM
Maria will always be known as the top female Russian player of all time and Myskina is preggers and has to appear on idiotic Russian Skating with the Stars program I love it! :)

Myskina will be known as the 1st Russian woman to win a slam.

mal
Apr 29th, 2008, 03:47 AM
Maria will always be known as the top female Russian player of all time and Myskina is preggers and has to appear on idiotic Russian Skating with the Stars program I love it! :)

How can you even mention the two of them in the same breath.

This may sound strong, but I think Billy Jean (King) has to be a contender also. She played a different style of tennis which now everyone is playing, but back then it was considered "unsporting" to want to win so much.

Tennisstar86
Apr 29th, 2008, 03:58 AM
Maria will always be known as the top female Russian player of all time and Myskina is preggers and has to appear on idiotic Russian Skating with the Stars program I love it! :)

with 3 slams if Maria is gonna be the best russian player of all time the future is bleak......and as far as Maria goes.... i think being russian will be the last thing shes remembered for...

homogenius
Apr 29th, 2008, 09:08 AM
Mauresmo.

lol

Renalicious
Apr 29th, 2008, 10:33 AM
I think Mary Pierece too.

tennisbear7
Apr 29th, 2008, 10:34 AM
How can you even mention the two of them in the same breath.

This may sound strong, but I think Billy Jean (King) has to be a contender also. She played a different style of tennis which now everyone is playing, but back then it was considered "unsporting" to want to win so much.

:help::help::help:

Serenidad.
Apr 29th, 2008, 06:06 PM
Tatiana Overratedolovin.

Ugh, gets on my last nerve. She's NOT a slam winner or anything even if she was healthy.

frenchie
Apr 29th, 2008, 06:09 PM
Vaidisova

I remember people saying she is wayyyy better than Ivanovic!

Slutati
Apr 29th, 2008, 06:14 PM
Tatiana Golovin.

Ugh, gets on my last nerve. She's NOT a slam winner or anything even if she was healthy.
She is a slam winner;)2004 French Open:banana:

Andrew Laeddis
Apr 29th, 2008, 06:24 PM
Vaidisova

I remember people saying she is wayyyy better than Ivanovic!

She would be if she had a brain. She has a better backhand,volleys, and serve and her fh is just as good as Ivanovic's in my opinion.

Andrew Laeddis
Apr 29th, 2008, 06:31 PM
TATIANA GOLOVIN BY FAR

Her serve is average, her volleys and returns are nothing special, her backhand is poor, her fh is good certainly not in the top 10 on tour. she is also lacking in the movement department and she doesnt possess the power to make for it. Her fitness and training speaks for itself.

And the only time she beats or takes sets from top players when they are playing terrible (see her matches against Jankovic and Kuzzy last year in Toronto, her match against Venus last year in Amelia Island, her match against Kuzzy at Stuttgart, etc.). Hell sometimes the top players play bad and still win (see her USO quarter final match against Sharapova). It was quite Hilarious watching Henin play shit for a set at Stuttgart and then turn it on and completely blow Overtaedvon away.

Cp6uja
Apr 29th, 2008, 06:49 PM
She would be if she had a brain. She has a better backhand,volleys, and serve and her fh is just as good as Ivanovic's in my opinion.If this is truth, she is already better player than Ana :rolleyes:.

But truth is that Nicole right now is far away of Ana more than ever. Despite fact that Ana is older, she still more improve year by year than Nicole. I realy respect Vaidisova talent and she is still for me future TOP5 player and maybe slam champion, but right now she must to prove for start that she is above Chakvetadze, Dementieva, Hantuchova, Zvonareva... to reach TOP10 again, now when both sisters comebacks in TOP10 and both Serbians establish herself like top-tenners. Thats must be her goals in near future and BTW Ana from 2004 or 2006 when Nikki/Ana comparations have sense not existing more. She is right now prowen and established new WTA real-deal.

sammy01
Apr 29th, 2008, 08:01 PM
vaidisova, people harp on about 2 grand slam semi but cmon look at who she beat, momo at the french not what i'd call a scalp, venus on her worst surface and in her slump year. then the oz open lena d at her worst slam by far and safarova as a qtr final opponent.
she hasn't made a tier 2 final yet people talk about her as a future slam champion.

Shoulderpova
Apr 29th, 2008, 08:05 PM
TATIANA GOLOVIN BY FAR

Her serve is average, her volleys and returns are nothing special, her backhand is poor, her fh is good certainly not in the top 10 on tour. she is also lacking in the movement department and she doesnt possess the power to make for it. Her fitness and training speaks for itself.

And the only time she beats or takes sets from top players when they are playing terrible (see her matches against Jankovic and Kuzzy last year in Toronto, her match against Venus last year in Amelia Island, her match against Kuzzy at Stuttgart, etc.). Hell sometimes the top players play bad and still win (see her USO quarter final match against Sharapova). It was quite Hilarious watching Henin play shit for a set at Stuttgart and then turn it on and completely blow Overtaedvon away.

couldn't agree more :worship:

Mileen
Apr 29th, 2008, 09:05 PM
Lindsay Davenport, I would say. Just think her head-2-head against the Belgians is 0-11 in the last 11 matches they played.

I don't agree. Loosing to certain players doesn't mean you're being overestimated. She is a great player who has the right to loose and it could still mean she is rated at the level she deserves. I think Lindsay is generally underestimated, even.

My pick would go to Krajicek, she hasn't shown anything to me, has been rather lucky with draws and no real wapens, I think she's been hyped the most. But in Berlin she'll probably win her first and who knows how manny-th match ;)

Matt01
Apr 29th, 2008, 09:42 PM
TATIANA GOLOVIN BY FAR

Her serve is average, her volleys and returns are nothing special, her backhand is poor, her fh is good certainly not in the top 10 on tour. she is also lacking in the movement department and she doesnt possess the power to make for it. Her fitness and training speaks for itself.

And the only time she beats or takes sets from top players when they are playing terrible (see her matches against Jankovic and Kuzzy last year in Toronto, her match against Venus last year in Amelia Island, her match against Kuzzy at Stuttgart, etc.). Hell sometimes the top players play bad and still win (see her USO quarter final match against Sharapova). It was quite Hilarious watching Henin play shit for a set at Stuttgart and then turn it on and completely blow Overtaedvon away.


All wrong :p Golovin is highly underestimated.

Paul.
Apr 29th, 2008, 09:52 PM
TATIANA GOLOVIN BY FAR

Her serve is average, her volleys and returns are nothing special, her backhand is poor, her fh is good certainly not in the top 10 on tour. she is also lacking in the movement department and she doesnt possess the power to make for it. Her fitness and training speaks for itself.

And the only time she beats or takes sets from top players when they are playing terrible (see her matches against Jankovic and Kuzzy last year in Toronto, her match against Venus last year in Amelia Island, her match against Kuzzy at Stuttgart, etc.). Hell sometimes the top players play bad and still win (see her USO quarter final match against Sharapova). It was quite Hilarious watching Henin play shit for a set at Stuttgart and then turn it on and completely blow Overtaedvon away.

I'm sorry, but even though Henin wasn't at her best, Golovin played absoutely brilliantly during the first set of that match. It was incredible to watch. I agree with some of the stuff you say, but I couldn't disagree more about that statement.

Steffica Greles
Apr 29th, 2008, 10:19 PM
At the moment, Jankovic.

Her game has too many palpable limitations.

adachi
Apr 29th, 2008, 10:44 PM
Safina..but now Krajicek

SOA_MC
Apr 29th, 2008, 10:52 PM
Safina What's she done

Poova
Apr 29th, 2008, 10:59 PM
lol nobody cares enough about Safina to rate her at all. :rolls:

mal
Apr 30th, 2008, 07:14 AM
:help::help::help:

O.K. I admit I'm not a big fan of Billy Jean, but I'm pretty sure Janet Jackson is.

homogenius
Apr 30th, 2008, 07:39 AM
TATIANA GOLOVIN BY FAR


And the only time she beats or takes sets from top players when they are playing terrible (see her matches against Jankovic and Kuzzy last year in Toronto, her match against Venus last year in Amelia Island, her match against Kuzzy at Stuttgart, etc.). Hell sometimes the top players play bad and still win (see her USO quarter final match against Sharapova). It was quite Hilarious watching Henin play shit for a set at Stuttgart and then turn it on and completely blow Overtaedvon away.

lol
So her 13 top10 wins (same number than someone like Chaky btw) were all due to top players playing horrible ?
BS

Few years ago, people talked about her, Ivanovic, Vaidisova, Safarova, Mirza and maybe Peer as the younger players supposed to do something on tour.
Ivanovic is the only one who became a real force. against others top players.
Vaidisova has 9 top10 wins, Safarova has 6, Peer 4, Mirza 3.
So Golovin with her 13 wins (despite all the injuries she had) must have some game, no ?

homogenius
Apr 30th, 2008, 07:43 AM
Oh, and saying that Vaidisova has a better backhand, volleys etc...basically a better game than Ivanovic, is just plain ridiculous.Even with a brain, she wouldn't be better than Ivanovic for the moment.

Bartosh
Apr 30th, 2008, 08:52 AM
Chakvetadze and Ivanovic

AnnaK_4ever
Apr 30th, 2008, 09:07 AM
lol
So her 13 top10 wins (same number than someone like Chaky btw) were all due to top players playing horrible ?
BS

Few years ago, people talked about her, Ivanovic, Vaidisova, Safarova, Mirza and maybe Peer as the younger players supposed to do something on tour.
Ivanovic is the only one who became a real force. against others top players.
Vaidisova has 9 top10 wins, Safarova has 6, Peer 4, Mirza 3.
So Golovin with her 13 wins (despite all the injuries she had) must have some game, no ?

Her disappointing GS results are what makes many think she's overrated.
As for Tati and Chaky having the same number of Top-10 wins, frankly speaking neither wins are THAT impressive. Both have had Petrova as their bitch and both have never defeated Henin/Serena/Sharapova in finished match.

homogenius
Apr 30th, 2008, 09:27 AM
Her disappointing GS results are what makes many think she's overrated.
As for Tati and Chaky having the same number of Top-10 wins, frankly speaking neither wins are THAT impressive. Both have had Petrova as their bitch and both have never defeated Henin/Serena/Sharapova in finished match.

I know and they ARE disappointing, but I truly think that being injured every 3 months didn't helped.
Game wise, I think she can be good on all surfaces and gave trouble to nearly all top players.
Her matches against Henin are always disputed (7-6 7-5, 6-2 3-6 6-3, 2-6 6-2 6-1 and 6-4 6-4) and she gave Sharapova a couple of hard matches to play (in Miami and at USO 06 where she lost 7-6 7-6).Her last loss against was in 2004 (7-5 6-4).
Same with her matches against Clijsters or Mauresmo (had MP in some of them).
And she beat Venus 2 times (never lost a set).

I agree that Chaky and Golovin wins over top10 are not as impressive as say Ivanovic (but even her has never defeated players like Henin or Serena) but personnally I don't think that saying Golovin has some game is overestimating her (I'm not saying she's sure to win a slam one day though).

frontier
Apr 30th, 2008, 11:40 AM
Golovin is the most overrated player out there.

hdfb
Apr 30th, 2008, 11:41 AM
Hantuchova for me.

PLP
Apr 30th, 2008, 12:29 PM
Safina What's she done

Dinara is very talented and she has had some great wins, too bad she has never been that consistent.
Nadia is even more talented IMO, but I always wonder where her head is at, in any case, neither is over-estimated IMO.

And who mentioned Linds? WTF is that about. If a few matches had gone a bit more her way, she would have 5 or 6 GS singles titles by now.

For me, right now, it's Vania King. I am a fan, and I think she is talented but she hasn't done ANYTHING in the past year, she's not even in the top 100 anymore. Some of her matches with higher ranked players are close and I think she can definitely turn it around and get into the top 50, but it needs to be soon If not, I think she will still enjoy a very good doubles career.

mal
Apr 30th, 2008, 01:07 PM
Hantuchova for me.

Why do you say that?

Miss Atomic Bomb
Apr 30th, 2008, 10:32 PM
Anna Chakvetadze and golovin [dont care about safina or daniela]

tangchenbo2008
Apr 30th, 2008, 10:48 PM
i like it..

spiritedenergy
Apr 30th, 2008, 10:48 PM
Hantuchova, Sharapova, Dementieva.

tangchenbo2008
Apr 30th, 2008, 10:56 PM
i don;t konw !

tangchenbo2008
Apr 30th, 2008, 10:57 PM
i prefer Anna Chakvetadze

Miss Atomic Bomb
Apr 30th, 2008, 10:58 PM
forgot to mention Sania mirza..probably the most overestimated and over-rated player

tangchenbo2008
Apr 30th, 2008, 11:04 PM
It's She!

Monirena Wiles
May 1st, 2008, 12:40 AM
Miriana Lucic
Alexandra Stevenson
Jelena Dokic
Daniela Hantuchova
Anke Huber

-VSR-
May 1st, 2008, 01:52 AM
Demska!

BuTtErFrEnA
May 1st, 2008, 03:57 AM
O.K. I admit I'm not a big fan of Billy Jean, but I'm pretty sure Janet Jackson is.

what???? :weirdo:

SOA_MC
May 1st, 2008, 04:02 AM
what???? :weirdo:

Billy Jean not my lover ------------ Michael Jackson --------------- Janet Jackson

I think:confused:

spiritedenergy
May 1st, 2008, 04:21 AM
what???? :weirdo:

:haha: I think he's crazy:weirdo:

Lefty.
May 1st, 2008, 04:43 AM
:haha: I think he's crazy:weirdo:

For once, I totally agree with you. He is crazy. :tape:

mal
May 1st, 2008, 05:08 AM
For once, I totally agree with you. He is crazy. :tape:
And you have a medical degree no doubt?

pav
May 1st, 2008, 05:21 AM
I think at times every player of interest is at varying times both overestimated and underestimated, similar in some ways to the length of a dolphin's dick, depending a lot on what they choose to show at a given time.

Shvedbarilescu
May 1st, 2008, 06:35 AM
I am amazed at all the people who have nominated Hantuchova as the most overrated player. Perhaps this is because she is undoubtably one of the most liked and popular players on the forum without quite having the results that reflect that popularity. The thing is very few of her fans, or for that matter her non-fans, actually overrate her. How many Hantuchova fans expect her to be ranked much higher than she is now? How many expect her to win slams? I don't think many at all. Fact is Daniela's fans are some of the most realistic and have some of the most modest expectations of any of the big fanbases on the forum. The basic attitude of most Dani fans I know, myself included, is keep expectations fairly modest and celebrate like hell when those expectations are surpassed as in last years Indian Wells and this years AO.

Certainly a few years ago most people were saying Daniela was not of top 10 standard and would never make the top 10 again. Her fans not going overboard defended her saying actually the top 10 was doable and she was capable of reaching that level again. Nothing more than that. And actually those who said she could get back to the top 10 were right and everyone else was wrong. If anything, I would say the large number of people who say Hantuchova is overrated is actually indicative that a lot of people infact underrate her.

Nikkiri
May 1st, 2008, 06:39 AM
some other names can be added to your list: Davenport, Henin, Serena, Zan...
well,in short, all the players that leads H2H vs Annoy Ivanobitch and beat her constantly ;)

You and spiritedenergy make a good pair. both idiots :kiss:

Lefty.
May 1st, 2008, 08:22 AM
And you have a medical degree no doubt?

You don't need a medical degree to see that you're crazy and that 98% of what you write doesn't make sense.

Slutati
May 1st, 2008, 08:22 AM
You and spiritedenergy make a good pair. both idiots :kiss:
:rolls::rolls:

Shoulderpova
May 1st, 2008, 11:23 AM
You and spiritedenergy make a good pair. both idiots :kiss:

Can't you come up with something else than calling people stupid and idiots? :shrug:
If you're a smart one then please prove your intelligence :shrug::confused:

Nikkiri
May 1st, 2008, 11:38 AM
Can't you come up with something else than calling people stupid and idiots? :shrug:
If you're a smart one then please prove your intelligence :shrug::confused:

Says the person who insults Ana Ivanovic in almost every thread :haha:

Please prove yours too then :shrug: :confused:

Sorry if i hurt your feelings :hug:

Yasmine
May 1st, 2008, 12:09 PM
Mod note:

People stay on topic please. I am not going to spend the afternoon watching this thread or deleting posts.

Thanks.

mal
May 1st, 2008, 12:52 PM
Mod note:

People stay on topic please. I am not going to spend the afternoon watching this thread or deleting posts.

Thanks.

Well I can't bear to watch it either, :cool: but I feel myself being drawn into this debate, so I'm going to have to go with JJ.:tears:

Kim's_fan_4ever
May 1st, 2008, 12:59 PM
Chakvetadze for me.

sammy01
May 1st, 2008, 01:12 PM
i have to laugh at the people that say chakvetadze, as most people on this board dont rate or estimate her in anyway so how she could be overestimated is beyond me, if anything chakvetadze has over achieved compared to the expections people have/had of her. no one ever said in 2005 or 2006 chakvetadze will be top 5 and a grand slams semi finalist with 7 titles by the age of 21.

Shoulderpova
May 1st, 2008, 01:17 PM
and shes won more titles than two current top 5 players :)

spiritedenergy
May 1st, 2008, 03:48 PM
Can't you come up with something else than calling people stupid and idiots? :shrug:
If you're a smart one then please prove your intelligence :shrug::confused:

for once I agree with you. Nikkie (?) is extremely annoying and self-assuring. She calls people names when all she can write is 2 lines irrelevant posts :tape::help:

Craigy
May 1st, 2008, 03:58 PM
for once I agree with you. Nikkie (?) is extremely annoying and self-assuring. She calls people names when all she can write is 2 lines irrelevant posts :tape::help:

Oh shut up. All you do is moan about everything under the sun related to Ana Ivanovic.
IDIOT!

Nikkiri
May 1st, 2008, 04:02 PM
for once I agree with you. Nikkie (?) is extremely annoying and self-assuring. She calls people names when all she can write is 2 lines irrelevant posts :tape::help:

Thanks :hug: coming from you that really is a compliment.

-VSR-
May 1st, 2008, 08:31 PM
Pironkova and Karantencheva. :shrug:

prima donna
May 1st, 2008, 08:38 PM
sprem

FrauleinSteffi
May 2nd, 2008, 03:37 AM
overrated....so many lets see Myskina.....Pierce......that girl that Monique Viele for sure I would say she sooooo hyped & was terrible lol...Anna K too.....

TNT96
May 2nd, 2008, 04:47 AM
Monique Viele
Remember all that hype?

homogenius
May 2nd, 2008, 10:06 AM
Monique Viele
Remember all that hype?

Poor girl.She disappeared from the surface of the earth.I read article few years ago and she wanted to comeback but since then...

Matt01
May 2nd, 2008, 12:08 PM
overrated....so many lets see Myskina.....Pierce......that girl that Monique Viele for sure I would say she sooooo hyped & was terrible lol...Anna K too.....


Pierce and Myskina? Definately not.

Viele and Anna K? Definately yes.

Matt01
May 2nd, 2008, 12:09 PM
Poor girl.She disappeared from the surface of the earth.I read article few years ago and she wanted to comeback but since then...


She is doing :music: and :singer: now ;)

sammy01
May 2nd, 2008, 12:14 PM
She is doing :music: and :singer: now ;)

shes busking :confused: :p