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skanky~skanketta
Apr 17th, 2005, 07:18 PM
Venus still needs to get her ass in gear!

Serena won the AO
Kim won the March double
Justine won the first Tier 1 on clay

and they all beat Lindsay and a high Russian along the way.

RenaSlam.
Apr 17th, 2005, 07:19 PM
Come on Venus...get your ass in gear!

LeRoy.
Apr 17th, 2005, 07:20 PM
Interestingly Maria Sharapova was only beaten by Serena and Kim. Justine lost to her.:)

I'd say Lindsay and Maria alongwith Kim , Justine and Serena are the new Elite 5

Tichi
Apr 17th, 2005, 07:21 PM
I'm not sure wether we should call Lindsay an elite player. She plays some amazing tennis, but when she faces Kim or Serena... it's just one step to far to grab that win.

Kar16d
Apr 17th, 2005, 07:22 PM
Maria is a newcomer she doesn't have the expierence as Williams Davenport Kim and Justine put Maria with Martina Hingis as the Kid

Oneofakind0490
Apr 17th, 2005, 07:25 PM
I really miss the old four winning majors and titles together. i hope they can all make the semi finals of Roland Garros.

starr
Apr 17th, 2005, 07:26 PM
The important thing is who will be in the elite group at the end of the year.

This is such a brand new year with players striving to come back, and everyone fighting for the top position. I think it will be a very exciting year. I can't wait to see how it will all sort out.

volta
Apr 17th, 2005, 07:27 PM
Venus get it all together GIRL :fiery:

btw love ya Vee and Rena :kiss: :hearts: :hearts:

Kim :kiss: :kiss:

creep
Apr 17th, 2005, 07:37 PM
I'm not sure wether we should call Lindsay an elite player. She plays some amazing tennis, but when she faces Kim or Serena... it's just one step to far to grab that win.

That's a bit harsh on Lindsay? Being unsure about Lindsay being an elite player. After all she is and has been the #1 player in WTA rankings. Singles and Doubles.:)

!<blocparty>!
Apr 17th, 2005, 07:39 PM
I'm not sure wether we should call Lindsay an elite player. She plays some amazing tennis, but when she faces Kim or Serena... it's just one step to far to grab that win.

Thats a bit of a stupid comment :)

Lindsay could have won here this week except for her injury, the centre court was the best clay court for her game this year.

jimbo mack
Apr 17th, 2005, 07:41 PM
Venus still needs to get her ass in gear!

Serena won the AO
Kim won the March double
Justine won the first Tier 1 on clay

and they all beat Lindsay and a high Russian along the way.

when did justine beat lindsay?

lindsay retired in the third set, she couldnt complete the match

TomTennis
Apr 17th, 2005, 07:48 PM
for gaod sake....would you guys off Venus' back! No wonder she isnt winning with you guys breathing down her neck 24/7. Just wait till the FO, im sure she will back your statement incorrect by winning!

volta
Apr 17th, 2005, 07:51 PM
for gaod sake....would you guys off Venus' back! No wonder she isnt winning with you guys breathing down her neck 24/7. Just wait till the FO, im sure she will back your statement incorrect by winning!
i want u to be soso dam right. i can´t wait to see Vee proving me wrong :hearts: :hearts: i want her to say f*ck you sphenx :hearts: but right now she ain´t showing all her anger on court asside from some matchs and im tired to see her lose against players that she would past. but i´ll be always there for my Vee :hug:

VeeReeDavJCap81
Apr 17th, 2005, 08:02 PM
for gaod sake....would you guys off Venus' back! No wonder she isnt winning with you guys breathing down her neck 24/7. Just wait till the FO, im sure she will back your statement incorrect by winning!

It would be so awesome if Venus wins the French Open. She'll prove so many people wrong. SOOOOO many.

fammmmedspin
Apr 17th, 2005, 08:08 PM
Old 4? There only was an old four for a short time and one of the four was having problems then. Two followed by a different 2 surely? Look who Serena and Justine beat in their GS.

I would have thought Lindsay was part of the previous twosome before Venus and serena took over . In a top 10 where individual match ups really matter she is still very competitive with most of the players who matter.

Maria clearly belongs in her own group too. She's having a better year than anyone but Kim and has been doing it for longer.

Not sure how the other Russians fit in either. Each group replaced its predecessor when that group was injured or off form. The Russians at present are not performing but its far from clear that if they did start performing who they would be beating - Maria and Lindsay and Venus and Kim could all have had either less successful years or a harder time doing what they have if the top 10 Russians were playing at their 2004 level.

UDiTY
Apr 17th, 2005, 08:11 PM
I still think these 4 are the top 4 players in the world when they are playing well. Not even Lindsay can challenge them.

Get it together Willies and join the Belgians!!!:worship:

sartrista7
Apr 17th, 2005, 08:12 PM
That's a bit harsh on Lindsay? Being unsure about Lindsay being an elite player. After all she is and has been the #1 player in WTA rankings. Singles and Doubles.:)

'Has been' is irrelevant.

Lindsay's an odd case right now though - she's clearly one of THE players to beat in most tournaments, but when it comes to the ones which matter, the Slams, it's another matter entirely. She simply cannot hold up, mentally and physically, over the course of a Slam any more. And that has nothing to do with who she can or can't beat.

faste5683
Apr 17th, 2005, 08:16 PM
It would be so awesome if Venus wins the French Open. She'll prove so many people wrong. SOOOOO many.

Including her own fans...:kiss:

:wavey:

Tichi
Apr 17th, 2005, 08:27 PM
Thats a bit of a stupid comment :)

Lindsay could have won here this week except for her injury, the centre court was the best clay court for her game this year.
I did not formulate that one too well... I mean Lindsay as in the player she is nowadays. She's having a hard time holding it up against a few players.

Diesel
Apr 17th, 2005, 09:57 PM
Including her own fans...:kiss:

:wavey:

:rolleyes:

Knizzle
Apr 17th, 2005, 09:59 PM
:rolleyes:

Though he was being a smartass, he's is just about right.

Diesel
Apr 17th, 2005, 10:08 PM
Though he was being a smartass, he's is just about right.

I agree with the "ass" portion but I don't agree that he was anywhere near right. I think you have some loud and about fans of Venus who are vocal to the point where when she loses they get so emotional and get on a posting frenzy. But the majority of the Venus fans that I post with in Venus' forum here in particular aren't throwing the towel in. Those fans who are more in the majority than the generalization that person was putting out don't need anything proven to them. Their support is tried and true, constant.

Knizzle
Apr 17th, 2005, 10:11 PM
I agree with the "ass" portion but I don't agree that he was anywhere near right. I think you have some loud and about fans of Venus who are vocal to the point where when she loses they get so emotional and get on a posting frenzy. But the majority of the Venus fans that I post with in Venus' forum here in particular aren't throwing the towel in. Those fans who are more in the majority than the generalization that person was putting out don't need anything proven to them. Their support is tried and true, constant.

Support and belief that she will win the FO are 2 different things.

auntie janie
Apr 17th, 2005, 10:11 PM
The important thing is who will be in the elite group at the end of the year.

This is such a brand new year with players striving to come back, and everyone fighting for the top position. I think it will be a very exciting year. I can't wait to see how it will all sort out.

Agreed! This year it's so open and so intriguing; seems like anything can happen. Bring it on! :bounce:

Diesel
Apr 17th, 2005, 10:17 PM
Support and belief that she will win the FO are 2 different things.

I can show my support and have belief in Venus in all she does and that is fine.

I can show my support and yet not fully believe that Venus will win the FO because of her most recent sets of showings. Taking the reality of the moment has never been a bad thing. That is fine as well.

What I have not seen in large numbers that a generalization that Venus needs to prove anything to "her fans" is a lack of support and a lack of belief period.

It's a trip because Venus fans now are hounded about showing support/belief, not showing belief or support depending on the poster or situation when before showing both strongly was arrogant and stand-offish. But maybe I should take delight in the fact that some truly care so much about Venus and her fans :)

thelittlestelf
Apr 17th, 2005, 10:53 PM
Support and belief that she will win the FO are 2 different things.I have both :dance:

Zippy
Apr 17th, 2005, 10:55 PM
Thats a bit of a stupid comment :)

Lindsay could have won here this week except for her injury, the centre court was the best clay court for her game this year.
I hate retarded "could have" and/or "would have" comments.
Point is it DIDN'T happen, so lets just face things and be content with ACTUAL outcomes.

I mean, Lindsey could've won Charleston...
Vee could've won Charleston...
LenaD could've won Charleston...
Enna could've ran away in the 3rd set of the qtr final, and won it 6-0...

A lot of things could've happened. Point is NONE of these happened...get my drift

But hey, Myskina's a Slam Champion, so that right there tells me anything COULD happen ;)

Tennisaddict
Apr 17th, 2005, 11:20 PM
Venus' place is indeed still empty but I don't want her to get back to her old place, I hope she will take the top spot, not necessarily rankingswise but big titles wise.

I also believe that she will win Roland Garros :yeah:.

Come on Venus you sure know how to make people wait, but I'm sure your rewards will be sooooooooo sweet :bounce:.

tennnisfannn
Apr 17th, 2005, 11:37 PM
'Has been' is irrelevant.

Lindsay's an odd case right now though - she's clearly one of THE players to beat in most tournaments, but when it comes to the ones which matter, the Slams, it's another matter entirely. She simply cannot hold up, mentally and physically, over the course of a Slam any more. And that has nothing to do with who she can or can't beat.
think me weird but when the draw came out, although on papaer it looked like lindsay could beat everyone, a part of me wondered about it this being a tier 1. The player ares till the same but somehow lately she has found a way to lose the big titels. her last big title was the accura classic, every other tier1 she has played in or higher she ha gone walkabouts.
She has become quite the proffessional finalist and has only managed title wins against jankovich and farina elia. This is becoming quite a weird stat.

Gowza
Apr 18th, 2005, 12:03 AM
the current 'elite' group is uncertain at this time, has it become a bigger group? or do we just need to wait a little longer for things to work themselves out after all the injuries? serena clearly has made a good comeback and is still going strong, kim her comeback has only just begun but she has started out great, justine is in the same situation as kim however hasnt quite had the success of kim so far but has had some success however she has lost to maria who has been doing great all year and is the possible newcomer to the group.


lindsay i would like to put up their with them (she certainly plays well enough to be in their) however when against these 'elite' players she struggles so imo her true place is in a group all her own not quite with the elite but above the rest of them. next would be kuznetsova and dementieva, then capriati (tough to tell how she will be this year) and venus (at this stage) and i guess myskina after them.

M2k
Apr 18th, 2005, 02:16 AM
I did not formulate that one too well... I mean Lindsay as in the player she is nowadays. She's having a hard time holding it up against a few players.

Hmmm..you mean those two three set matches she lost to Serena and Kim? :confused: cuz' she's pretty even with Maria Sharapova. Now correct me if I'm wrong here...but Lindsay has split her last matches with Serena and lost a competitive three set match to a red hot Kim C. I think people are rushing a bit when they say "Oh is too hard for her" or "Oh she'll have a hard time" :rolleyes: Wait till Wimbledom (where her more improved game should prove devastating) and the USO.


lol...at the people not counting Lindsay as an elite Player. :lol:

creep
Apr 18th, 2005, 10:04 AM
'Has been' is irrelevant.

Lindsay's an odd case right now though - she's clearly one of THE players to beat in most tournaments, but when it comes to the ones which matter, the Slams, it's another matter entirely. She simply cannot hold up, mentally and physically, over the course of a Slam any more. And that has nothing to do with who she can or can't beat.


Of course this is only your opinion and you’re welcome to it.:)

Well with this premise you can throw Venus into the equation of not being able to last the distance during a slam now. Kim is also unproven when it comes to actually winning a slam title. So that's the 'Big4' out the window.Lindsay was saying she was retiring last season so maybe her mind was completely on the job at hand.

Personally I think Lindsay and Venus have nothing to prove. It's just a case of been there got the T-shirt. And they have other things occupying their minds now. I don't think winning is the be all end all of things now for both ladies.

And with Lindsay. No matter what anybody says the rankings still show she’s #1 player.