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densuprun
Apr 15th, 2005, 07:16 PM
With Lindsay losing today and not playing till French Open, Maria has very realistic chances to take over the top spot before the French Open. She plays two Tier I clay tournaments in Berlin and Rome.

After Charleston Lindsay's rating will be 5169 and will stay the same through Berlin and Rome. After Strasbourg it will drop to 5105.

If Maria gets more than 85 in both Berlin and Rome (quarters at both should be enough) then her points from these two tournies will be added to 4718.

Thus, if she gets 451 in Berlin and Rome she will become number 1 after Rome. If she gets 387 she will become number 1 after Strasbourg, right before the French Open.

She never lost in quarters or in earlier rounds in 2005.
She was able to reach quarters in RG last year when she was a weaker player than she is now. So, clay is not that bad of a surface for her as some would like to believe. She is definitely capable of getting 387 in two Tier I tournaments and become the 15th number 1 in the Open era before the French Open.

:bounce: Go Masha! :bounce:

timray
Apr 15th, 2005, 09:51 PM
i hope she will become the 15th number 1 in the Open era before the French Open. :)

but the time is running out for maria. :sad:

Kim and Justine will be back in the top 5 soon. :)

xan
Apr 16th, 2005, 12:36 AM
it would be great for Maria to be No 1.

But greater for her to win another slam soon!

DiZZiA
Apr 16th, 2005, 12:37 AM
I believe this is her chance to get the #1 ranking...... probably her only chance in 2005!!!!

Melly Flew Us
Apr 16th, 2005, 12:54 AM
interesting.
so you have set your betting slips for the next month and a bit have you?

jenglisbe
Apr 16th, 2005, 12:58 AM
Well, Maria hasn't yet proven herself on the red clay. I am not sure she can get all of those points before RG. I think her best chance at #1 will be during the hardcourt season because she didn't do all that well right after Wimbledon last year.

jdog3008
Apr 16th, 2005, 01:28 AM
Maria will be the #1 or #2 seed in both the Tier I's, so she will hopefully get an easy ride into the semis. I hope she takes advantage and gets the #1 ranking before the grass season :hearts:

Her US hardcourt season sucked last year, so she still has room even if she doesn't defend Wimby.

densuprun
Apr 16th, 2005, 02:57 AM
Anything may happen at Wimbledon. One unlucky day -- and she'll lose a lot of points. I would definitely prefer her getting number 1 before that. Then she'll put this accomplishment behind her and concentrate on winning as many Slams as possible.

Dunkins
Apr 16th, 2005, 04:26 AM
Serena+Kim+Justine+Amelie it would be very hard. But hey, impossible is nothing, her consistency might even take her to her first clay title this year. :P

!!!--Duiz™--!!!
Apr 16th, 2005, 07:02 AM
i hope she will become the 15th number 1 in the Open era before the French Open. :)

but the time is running out for maria. :sad:

Kim and Justine will be back in the top 5 soon. :)


You just forgot something... Maria is not even in her momentum... :)

Lady
Apr 16th, 2005, 08:30 AM
Maria will be the #1 or #2 seed in both the Tier I's, so she will hopefully get an easy ride into the semis. I hope she takes advantage and gets the #1 ranking before the grass season :hearts:


Even with #1 and #2 seedings she can draw Kim or Justine early! ;)

Maria Croft
Apr 16th, 2005, 10:11 AM
With Lindsay losing today and not playing till French Open, Maria has very realistic chances to take over the top spot before the French Open. She plays two Tier I clay tournaments in Berlin and Rome.

After Charleston Lindsay's rating will be 5169 and will stay the same through Berlin and Rome. After Strasbourg it will drop to 5105.

If Maria gets more than 85 in both Berlin and Rome (quarters at both should be enough) then her points from these two tournies will be added to 4718.

Thus, if she gets 451 in Berlin and Rome she will become number 1 after Rome. If she gets 387 she will become number 1 after Strasbourg, right before the French Open.

She never lost in quarters or in earlier rounds in 2005.
She was able to reach quarters in RG last year when she was a weaker player than she is now. So, clay is not that bad of a surface for her as some would like to believe. She is definitely capable of getting 387 in two Tier I tournaments and become the 15th number 1 in the Open era before the French Open.

:bounce: Go Masha! :bounce:

I really hope so, I think Maria can atleast make it to 2 SF's in those tournamnets and get enough points for number 1 !! that would be great because the six weeks after that she has a lot to defend, QF in RG of course, but I'm hoping and guessing she will defend those points, not so mutch at Birmingham but it was a title, and after that Wimbledon of course, so becoming number one before that would be great, so she can consentrate on the slams !!

Go Maria !! you can do it !!

azmad_88
Apr 16th, 2005, 11:54 AM
I HOPE Not!

random fan
Apr 16th, 2005, 12:02 PM
Or she may surprise us all and take the title at Berlin, then she will become No.1 by default.

azmad_88
Apr 16th, 2005, 12:05 PM
its tough for her in berlin
kim is there
henin is there
serena is there
mauresmo is there
dementieva is there

WIMBLY2004
Apr 16th, 2005, 12:27 PM
dementieva is there

Didn't Maria beat Dementieva on red clay last year? Rome?
She did quite OK last year, 3R in Berlin and Rome, quarter in RG, I think she will only be better.

tennnisfannn
Apr 16th, 2005, 03:00 PM
why are people expecting maria to do poorly on clay?. She really doesn't need to prove she can play on clay, there is no such thing as 'specialisation' on the women's tour, the top tenners still are top tenners on any surface abyway.
maria hadn't won anything worth mentioning on grass before she won wimbledon anyway, just becuse kim beat her in miami doesn't mean kim is about to dominate her. her biggest cjance of making no.1 are definitley before wimby and right now it only seems a matter of time. she has to do better than her 17th tourny though.

!!!--Duiz™--!!!
Apr 16th, 2005, 05:15 PM
I personally predicted after doing somme of my math that Maria will win the Roland Garros. I was right last year for all four of her slams, and so far I am right.

Maria has the poise that she is quick, Bery Quick. Her power still overpowers clay courts disvantages... so I think she has good possibiblities.

10nisfanofruz
Apr 16th, 2005, 05:36 PM
its tough for her in berlin
kim is there
henin is there
serena is there
mauresmo is there
dementieva is there

It's really tough for her indeed. :eek: :eek: :eek:

xcrtbckhnd
Apr 16th, 2005, 05:43 PM
It's only a matter of time it seems. I agree that the next couple of tournaments are realistically one of her best chances to get to #1, but regardless, I think Maria will get there eventually. It will also be interesting to see what tournis she plays after the USO.... I don't think she'll go back to the Asian Tier 3 circuit once the indoor season starts, but the appearance fees are probably extremely generous, so who knows. And the reality is that anything can happen including illness, injury, tough draws, etc, so it will always take a bit of luck and a ton of talent to get to #1. No doubt that Maria has the talent, but we will need to wait and see how the rest of the factors pan out. I definitely think that Maria will win one of the big clay court tournis, and RG is not out of the question.

hablo
Apr 16th, 2005, 05:51 PM
its tough for her in berlin
kim is there
henin is there
serena is there
mauresmo is there
dementieva is there

Finally, a voice of reason!!! :lol:

random fan
Apr 16th, 2005, 07:09 PM
Finally, a voice of reason!!! :lol:

That doesn't mean that in all of her 5 matches she will have to play someone from that list. It is not YEC. From that list she will probably have to beat only two players to claim the title. So there is plenty room for surprises to occur :)

densuprun
Apr 16th, 2005, 08:01 PM
Surprises? Maria's beating any WTA player on any surface, or even winning RG, hardly qualifies as a surprise these days. Of course, it is not the most likely outcome but she can do it.

lindsayno1
Apr 16th, 2005, 08:39 PM
i dont know why shes seen as such a spectacle! not more than 2 or 3 weeks ago she got double bagelled by lindsay davenport! the world no3 (as she was then) does NOT get double bagelled by ANYONE!

densuprun
Apr 16th, 2005, 09:00 PM
One more thing.

A. If Maria gets 302 points in Berlin then regardless of how she plays (or not plays) in Rome she'll become number 1 no later than after Strasbourg.

B. If she gets 362 points in Berlin she'll become number 1 right after Berlin as her last year 89 points from Rome would still be valid.

What does she have to do to get these points in Berlin?
The winner gets 300 points, the finalist gets 210 points.
What about quality points?
Well, last year Mauresmo got 94 and 108 quality points for getting into the finals in Berlin and Rome, Capriati got 111 in Rome, Venus got 76 in Berlin. The average of these 4 numbers is 97.
Assuming Maria gets 97 or more for getting into the Berlin's final, she will be over 302 in total Berlin's points and definitely over 362 if she wins it.
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Bottomline for Maria:
Get into the final in Berlin and you will be number 1 no later than after Strasbourg. :bounce:
Win Berlin and you are number 1 right away. :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

Oneofakind0490
Apr 16th, 2005, 09:05 PM
I think she will. But the thing this time is she gets a bye now. She will lose some sort of quality points.

mboyle
Apr 17th, 2005, 12:49 AM
its tough for her in berlin
kim is there
henin is there
serena is there
mauresmo is there
dementieva is there

She owns Dementieva.

Serena won't be a problem (Serena needs to work on beating Jankovic and Farina-Elia first, and has downright sucked on clay recently.)

Maria seems to like playing Juju.

Amelie will be tough, admittedly, but Maria just might pull it off.

If Maria runs into a healthy Kim on clay, Maria loses. Hopefully she won't have to face her until late in the tournament.

mboyle
Apr 17th, 2005, 01:08 AM
Davenport=5169

Maria=4892

Maria's 17th result=85

Points needed to assume no. 1 ranking=362

If she does it over two tournaments, her 16th result=89, so needed points=451 (226 points over two tournaments.)

That means, with SF performances at Rome and Berlin, Maria would be no. 1 after Strasbourg. With a SF and a F would get it done after Rome. A title (regardless of other tournament's result) would make her no. 1 after that tournament. I think she can do it.

bandabou
Apr 17th, 2005, 01:14 AM
well, well.....a loss by retirement to Farina-Elia after having mp's....all of sudden Serena is chopped liver. Nice...

mboyle
Apr 17th, 2005, 01:15 AM
well, well.....a loss by retirement to Farina-Elia after having mp's....all of sudden Serena is chopped liver. Nice...

She's clearly injured. She's also clearly playing like crap. She clearly dislikes clay.

G1Player2
Apr 17th, 2005, 02:36 AM
She's clearly injured. She's also clearly playing like crap. She clearly dislikes clay.

Yeah, she dislikes clay so much that she has won the French Open and reached the semi-finals there the next year and was up 4-2 30-0 in the 3rd set against the best claycourt player...Nice one...

Zippy
Apr 17th, 2005, 02:57 AM
i dont know why shes seen as such a spectacle! not more than 2 or 3 weeks ago she got double bagelled by lindsay davenport! the world no3 (as she was then) does NOT get double bagelled by ANYONE!
By golly you're right! She's garbage, what she did was a crime. They (WTA) should immediately take her world ranking from her...hell, they should force her to retire. Fugding preposterous! :rolleyes:

TF Chipmunk
Apr 17th, 2005, 03:17 AM
I don't think Maria's going to be able to win both Berlin and Rome OR do well in those tournaments to begin with. There are way too many clay-courters out there. If she can't find her groove on hardcourts (like that loss to Davenport), how do you expect her to do well on red clay, which is notorious for frustrating power-hitters? It's a long-shot, but I think Amelie or Serena will take that #1 before Maria does.

densuprun
Apr 17th, 2005, 03:56 AM
Maria definitely has a better chance to get to number 1 before Wimbledon than either Amelie or Serena. Amelie has too many points to defend. Serena is way too far behind.

CJ07
Apr 17th, 2005, 04:11 AM
I really think by Wimbledon, all will be right and the Big Four will have gotten their acts together.

Justine and Kim are already there, Serena is 75% there, and Venus...well by Wimbledon she should be where Serena is now.

After that point, if Maria doesn't get to #1, she might have to wait awhile

Maria Croft
Apr 17th, 2005, 07:45 AM
I don't think Maria's going to be able to win both Berlin and Rome OR do well in those tournaments to begin with. There are way too many clay-courters out there. If she can't find her groove on hardcourts (like that loss to Davenport), how do you expect her to do well on red clay, which is notorious for frustrating power-hitters? It's a long-shot, but I think Amelie or Serena will take that #1 before Maria does.


Can't find her groove ?? she got to the SF of IW and the final of Miami, also the QF of RG last year, I've seen Dementieva and Davenport play this week on clay and both hit amazing winners, meaning that Maria can do the same, and also I would like to say that Maria has much more then power, but I guess we have to wait and see.

Anyway, now is the best time to become number 1 !! Go Maria !!

hingis-seles
Apr 17th, 2005, 08:27 AM
i dont know why shes seen as such a spectacle! not more than 2 or 3 weeks ago she got double bagelled by lindsay davenport! the world no3 (as she was then) does NOT get double bagelled by ANYONE!

Amelia Island final:

Chris Evert defeated Martina Navratilova 6-0, 6-0.

hnwortman
Apr 17th, 2005, 05:40 PM
I wanna give Maria a big hug!!

azmad_88
Apr 18th, 2005, 01:26 PM
sorry 4 ur info if u didnt get
this year Tokyo
Elena Dementieva def Maria Sharapova 6-7 6-3 6-1
although its not wta.
but hey it still means something.

Maria likes to play juju?
a 3 setter and a tough fight of coz!

Mauresmo owns maria ..infact on clay..it seems imposible 4 maria to pull a win

kim.i dont have to say anything.u know the rest

Serena WONT be A problem!! are u having a fever? she won Roland Garros b4...think twice i hope..

sorry 4 my harsh words..
sometimes i cant control my self

She owns Dementieva.

Serena won't be a problem (Serena needs to work on beating Jankovic and Farina-Elia first, and has downright sucked on clay recently.)

Maria seems to like playing Juju.

Amelie will be tough, admittedly, but Maria just might pull it off.

If Maria runs into a healthy Kim on clay, Maria loses. Hopefully she won't have to face her until late in the tournament.

Andy T
Apr 18th, 2005, 01:55 PM
As the French Open seedings are based on the standings at the beginning of the week when Strasbourg is played, Masha will not be seeded #1 for RG unless she gets to the top spot as a result of her performances in Berlin and Rome. However, as there's no difference in practical terms between being seeded 1 or 2 at a slam, it doesn't really matter.

hablo
Apr 18th, 2005, 02:35 PM
Mauresmo owns maria ..infact on clay..it seems imposible 4 maria to pull a win

kim.i dont have to say anything.u know the rest


I sort of like this part!!! :lol: :lol: :angel:

mishar
Apr 18th, 2005, 02:40 PM
Maria could reach the finals of either Rome or Berlin without facing Mauresmo, Serena or the Belgians.

Doc
Apr 18th, 2005, 02:50 PM
Mauresmo owns maria ..infact on clay..it seems imposible 4 maria to pull a win


Mauresmo owns maria :eek: :confused:

What do you base this on? Their two encounters are...

* A "dead rubber" at the YEC when both had already qualified and Maria went on to take the tournament?
* A walkover in Philadelphia were Maria didn't even start the match!?

You are too much! :haha: :haha:

Daniel
Apr 27th, 2005, 02:25 AM
I think Maria will be #1 after Rome :)