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Geisha
Apr 14th, 2005, 07:47 PM
Which tournament Champions and Rankings would have changed since 1995, if there hadn't been a long injury layoff of some players?

I think 2003 was a particular year. I honestly don't think Justine and Kim could have or would have ended the Year #1 and #2 if it weren't for Venus and Serena's injuries. Wait...did Justine and Kim end off the year at #1 and 2.

Anyways,...I also think if Serena hadn't got injured in 2003, we could have seen two or three more Slam wins- 2003 US Open, 2004 Australian, French, Wimbledon, US, could have gone her way if she wasn't injured for 8 months.

Oneofakind0490
Apr 14th, 2005, 07:50 PM
The only ones I can think might have made a difference is if Graf played in 1997.
Also I think if Serena didn't get injured she would have won the U.S. Open becuase she was playing very well on hardcourts.

Geisha
Apr 14th, 2005, 07:51 PM
Definitely. But, remember, even if Graf played well in 1996, Hingis was with her throughout their finals match at the Chase. I think they would have dominated together.

tennisIlove09
Apr 14th, 2005, 07:53 PM
the biggest is the Seles stabbing :wavey:

Geisha
Apr 14th, 2005, 07:58 PM
the biggest is the Seles stabbing :wavey:

That was in 1993.

LeRoy.
Apr 14th, 2005, 08:28 PM
^ Yeah but she didn't come back till like the end of the 1995 season.

crazillo
Apr 14th, 2005, 09:43 PM
Rubin - very often; numerous times
Capriati in the mid-90's
Graf in 1996
Davenport - USOPEN 2004
Maleeva - 1996 (start) - 1999 (shoulder surgery and rehab)
Majoli (basically ALWAYS)
Hingis (2002)

Kart
Apr 14th, 2005, 09:48 PM
Venus' torn stomach muscle.

She has not been the same player since.

Kart
Apr 14th, 2005, 09:48 PM
Also I suppose the tendonitis she had in 2000 because she was a different player after !

Melly Flew Us
Apr 15th, 2005, 05:20 PM
amelie's back injury issue in 2000 and subsequent re-tooling of game.
in these last few years power play = success unless you have intestinal fortitude.

fammmmedspin
Apr 15th, 2005, 05:34 PM
Kournikova - Eastbourne 98- thumb. possibilities on for - title? Wimbledon? Monkey off shoulder.


Myskina - shoulder 04 . Olympics, YEC, Number 1.

Dementieva - shoulder = a serve in 2004.

Hingis - foot - career, 3-4 GS?

Henin - GS? impressive time as number 1.

Venus - practically every injury going - lots more good stats and possibly GS .

and Kim wrist - number 1, lots more tournaments and probably a GS.

tennnisfannn
Apr 15th, 2005, 05:35 PM
amelie's back injury issue in 2000 and subsequent re-tooling of game.
in these last few years power play = success unless you have intestinal fortitude.
most defnitely agree with you. I think amelie's case has gone almost 'unnotice' coz she has not been out for too long but each time she gets injured, it is a step back for her. Just when she seems to be getting on a roll, somehting seems to keep happening. Players thrive on rhythmn.

SJW
Apr 15th, 2005, 05:38 PM
Venus' torn stomach muscle.

She has not been the same player since.

agreed.

basically i think the "fab four" getting injured in 03 and 04 has made a big difference to the rankings today.

wateva
Apr 15th, 2005, 05:39 PM
u can't leave mary pierce out. she won 2000 rg but became injured. nvr the same again after that

Declan
Apr 15th, 2005, 05:39 PM
Don't forget Mary Pierce. At the peak of her game and confidence after winning the French in 2000, equalling her career high ranking of three, then at Wimbledon, her next tournament, was struck with the first of a run of crippling injuries that saw her only play one more aborted tournament that year, then a mere handful at the start of the next year, when she had to give up for almost a year, and wasn't even able to defend her Roland Garros title. She hasn't been the same since, but has gradually played a few more tournaments each year, and gotten progressively higher in the year-end rankings as her fitness and confidence slowly return. But her fans will always wonder what might have happened if Mary's career hadn't been so cruelly interrupted...

Melly Flew Us
Apr 15th, 2005, 06:34 PM
.... Players thrive on rhythmn.

exactly tennnisfannn.

Venus' torn stomach muscle.

wait a minute Kart, didn't Venus' slump start before the injury?
personally i've always felt that with Vee its all in the head.
she was out almost as long as serena, who had a more serious injury.

hingis-seles
Apr 15th, 2005, 06:50 PM
Hingis and Davenport in 2002. No way would Serena have dominated the way she did had those two been around in full force. Not saying she wouldn't have won a Slam or two, but the ridiculous ease with which she crushed everyone in her path would most probably not have happened.

Kart
Apr 15th, 2005, 06:51 PM
Depends on your definition of slump.

She was playing pretty well at Wimbledon 2003 - many, including me, expected her to win until that Clijsters semi.

UDiTY
Apr 15th, 2005, 06:55 PM
Definitely Vee's torn abdominal muscle.

4 straight major finals, final of Warsaw and it happens.

She shoulda won Wimby '03 but reinjured it.:cool:

Hasn't been the same since.:sad:

And Justine woulda had an amazing '04 without that stupid virus problem.

!<blocparty>!
Apr 15th, 2005, 06:59 PM
Where did SJW's post go that I was going to quote? :confused:

!<blocparty>!
Apr 15th, 2005, 07:12 PM
I guess it got deleted. :)

Melly Flew Us
Apr 16th, 2005, 01:47 AM
my definition of a vee slump:

pre-injury =
no slam title since US open 2001 +
not being able to beat her younger sister for about three years +
dropping from an average 6.5 titles/year to 4 in 2002, 1 in 2003 (pre=injury its true but would equate to approx. 3.5)

post-injury =
taking too long to recover from an injury that didn't require corrective surgery +
losing to dross +
denial

Berlin_Calling
Apr 16th, 2005, 03:13 AM
MARY PIERCE after her win at Roland Garros 2000.

tenn_ace
Apr 16th, 2005, 03:15 AM
Anna in Eastbourne...

tennnisfannn
Apr 16th, 2005, 03:57 AM
my definition of a vee slump:

pre-injury =
no slam title since US open 2001 +
not being able to beat her younger sister for about three years +
dropping from an average 6.5 titles/year to 4 in 2002, 1 in 2003 (pre=injury its true but would equate to approx. 3.5)

post-injury =
taking too long to recover from an injury that didn't require corrective surgery +
losing to dross +
denial
while serena was winning the slams, no one else was beating venus either, that is not a slump. A slump is not necessarily not winning titles but the inability to play up to your ability.
myskina is in a slump now not because she is not winning titles but becuase she is losing matches she should be winning.
lindsay is not winning slams but we do not consider her to be in a slump, she is still winning some titles albeit they are tier 2s majorly and despite her being no,1 , the big titles like the IW are eluding her. she is however losing to players she 'should' lose to.

CJ07
Apr 16th, 2005, 04:15 AM
my definition of a vee slump:

pre-injury =
no slam title since US open 2001 +
not being able to beat her younger sister for about three years +
dropping from an average 6.5 titles/year to 4 in 2002, 1 in 2003 (pre=injury its true but would equate to approx. 3.5)

post-injury =
taking too long to recover from an injury that didn't require corrective surgery +
losing to dross +
denial
Venus won 7 titles in 2002, and Serena was beating everyone down that year.

Also, Venus got to the final of every tournament she entered healthy that year (2003).

OZ-Final
Antwerp- W
Miami- (foot) 4th
Warsawp- (abs) F
Paris- (abs) 4th
Wimbledon- (abs) F

:sad:

alex14
Apr 16th, 2005, 04:21 AM
Martina Hingis back in 2002, when she came back at the beginning of the year she was playing great, then when she got injured again, and attempted another comeback she was never the same, and i believe she still had the potential for another slam possible the French Open that year if there wasnt the injury.

Calimero377
Apr 17th, 2005, 09:13 AM
Definitely. But, remember, even if Graf played well in 1996, Hingis was with her throughout their finals match at the Chase. I think they would have dominated together.


I don't think so.

We must not forget that Graf and Hingis played 3 times after grandma Graf returned with a completely reconstructed knee in 1998.

Graf beat Hingis in Philadelphia 1998 BAGELLING Hingis in the deciding set.
Graf lost to Hingis in Tokyo 1999 ONLY after she caught a thigh injury in the 3rd set (Graf led Hingis 4-2 at that point).
And Graf gave Hingis a lesson for life in the FO 99 final completely DESTROYING her in the last 45 minutes.

I hate to imagine what a FIT Graf would have done with Hingis post-96 ....

Calimero377
Apr 17th, 2005, 09:16 AM
^ Yeah but she didn't come back till like the end of the 1995 season.


Yeah, but the wound was closed with one stitch on April 30th, 1993, and had healed completely by August 1993.
So it doesn't qualify here.

Calimero377
Apr 17th, 2005, 09:19 AM
agreed.

basically i think the "fab four" getting injured in 03 and 04 has made a big difference to the rankings today.


Henin, Clijsters, Serena - but who is the fourth ... ?
:confused:

Jakeev
Apr 17th, 2005, 10:19 AM
agreed.

basically i think the "fab four" getting injured in 03 and 04 has made a big difference to the rankings today.

Exactly, although you need to add Lindsay and Jennifer to that mix too. Because of all those injuries, it allowed a player like Anastasia Myskina, who until the Fall of 03 was a rather obsure player, rise to the occasion and become a surprising force to the tour.

xin_hui
Apr 17th, 2005, 10:26 AM
Martina Hingis back in 2002, when she came back at the beginning of the year she was playing great, then when she got injured again, and attempted another comeback she was never the same, and i believe she still had the potential for another slam possible the French Open that year if there wasnt the injury.

exactly:worship: and also, if she had won that AO 2002 final, she might have gone on to win alot more:sad:

SJW
Apr 17th, 2005, 11:25 AM
Henin, Clijsters, Serena - but who is the fourth ... ?
:confused:

:tape:

SJW
Apr 17th, 2005, 11:26 AM
Exactly, although you need to add Lindsay and Jennifer to that mix too. Because of all those injuries, it allowed a player like Anastasia Myskina, who until the Fall of 03 was a rather obsure player, rise to the occasion and become a surprising force to the tour.

sure....im not saying that Lindsay and Jennifer werent playing great at that time, its just that for the most part, they were playing in 03 and 04.

Jakeev
Apr 17th, 2005, 11:55 AM
Henin, Clijsters, Serena - but who is the fourth ... ?
:confused:

Barbara Rittner..........

Serena!
Apr 17th, 2005, 12:09 PM
Serena-She would have one AT LEAST the 2004 US Open, but also, she might not have won all of the GS and might not have dominated, but she wouldn't have had such a bad season.

bandabou
Apr 17th, 2005, 12:27 PM
If Serena doesn't go down with that injury in ' 03, says here she already would have had 10 majors at least....and her place as the best player of her generation, at least, would be cemented.

So Disrespectful
Apr 17th, 2005, 12:28 PM
Barbara Rittner..........

:lol:

So Disrespectful
Apr 17th, 2005, 12:29 PM
Clarisa Fernandez....
IMO, she would be top 20 by now

thelittlestelf
Apr 17th, 2005, 12:31 PM
Venus's abs. Monica's stabbing.

:bigcry:

Calimero377
Apr 17th, 2005, 02:45 PM
If Serena doesn't go down with that injury in ' 03, says here she already would have had 10 majors at least....and her place as the best player of her generation, at least, would be cemented.


Beating peak Enna?
Not very probable ...
:)

Melly Flew Us
Apr 17th, 2005, 05:33 PM
while serena was winning the slams, no one else was beating venus either, that is not a slump. A slump is not necessarily not winning titles but the inability to play up to your ability.


sorry but i stated what my definition of a vee slump was.
maybe i'm more into prediction and extrapolation than others but as far as i was concerned it was not a good sign and i still stand by that opinion 3 years down the line.

i hate being proved right but that injury was minor - a torn muscle. sure it afected her serve but please note that i said what followed was a result of what was in her head; and it still is.

Melly Flew Us
Apr 17th, 2005, 05:44 PM
Venus won 7 titles in 2002

excuse me. i was tired.
vee's four losses to serena in 2002 always stick in my mind. it's a big sister thing.

MarkyMark
Apr 17th, 2005, 06:15 PM
Hingis and Davenport in 2002. No way would Serena have dominated the way she did had those two been around in full force. Not saying she wouldn't have won a Slam or two, but the ridiculous ease with which she crushed everyone in her path would most probably not have happened.


i totally agree with this statement. people only seem to say that justine won the US Open and the Aussie Open because serena was not there. but what they forget is that serena won two grandslams where hingis and davvy were missing or not playing their best. this makes a huge difference. it's so funny the double stadard there is for the williams sisters

MarkyMark
Apr 17th, 2005, 06:19 PM
If Serena doesn't go down with that injury in ' 03, says here she already would have had 10 majors at least....and her place as the best player of her generation, at least, would be cemented.


thats like saying if henin and kim were playing in all grandslams at their best(or if kim had been there at all) in 04 there would have been no russians winning majors??? It's just not true. It's also like saying serena would not have won the french , or wimbly in 2002 had davenport and hingis been playing.