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SjuTjuD
Apr 14th, 2005, 08:34 PM
I think it would help. Serena fights and she doesn't give up. Venus needs that fire and inspiration. Serena is better than Venus in every part of the game and she could give Venus some pointers and have Venus be at least good again and competitive even for the small tournaments like Charleston. Venus will not get a new coach so that leaves her sister as the last resort outside of a sports therapist.

icequeen
Apr 14th, 2005, 08:37 PM
What the fuck is going on with Venus I have had it with her.

darrinbaker00
Apr 14th, 2005, 08:38 PM
I think it would help. Serena fights and she doesn't give up. Venus needs that fire and inspiration. Serena is better than Venus in every part of the game and she could give Venus some pointers and have Venus be at least good again and competitive even for the small tournaments like Charleston. Venus will not get a new coach so that leaves her sister as the last resort outside of a sports therapist.
If Serena could stay healthy long enough, perhaps.....

volta
Apr 14th, 2005, 08:41 PM
they wont get a new trainer thats fo sure. Venus prob now is her attitude in court she looks like that she doesnīt care and she doesnīt fight anymore like she used 2. :sad:

tennisIlove09
Apr 14th, 2005, 08:41 PM
right and the 61 76 match proves that

SjuTjuD
Apr 14th, 2005, 08:43 PM
What the fuck is going on with Venus I have had it with her.

I don't know. This is why I think Serena should work with her more and give her some of her guts and glory.

SjuTjuD
Apr 14th, 2005, 08:44 PM
right and the 61 76 match proves that

No, Serena winning the Australian Open proves it. Venus beating Serena has done what but lead to losses to lesser players she should beat.

Knizzle
Apr 14th, 2005, 08:44 PM
right and the 61 76 match proves that

No the Australian Open title proves that. Don't even start TIL09 cause nothing you can say will bail Venus out of this.

Knizzle
Apr 14th, 2005, 08:44 PM
No, Serena winning the Australian Open proves it. Venus beating Serena has done what but lead to losses to lesser players she should beat.

:worship:

volta
Apr 14th, 2005, 08:46 PM
Vee and Rena are very very diferent but like i said the injurie time made Vee look into Tennis in a diferent way i donīt know Tennis ainīt all that important to her anymore at least that is what she is showing in the courts. sometimes it seams that sheīs really ungry for titles and all that but then she plays like this.

tennisIlove09
Apr 14th, 2005, 08:46 PM
No the Australian Open title proves that. Don't even start TIL09 cause nothing you can say will bail Venus out of this.

Out of what? She played a bad match and she lost? :rolleyes: It happens. If you're giving up on her, then she doesn't need fans like you :wavey:

SjuTjuD
Apr 14th, 2005, 08:47 PM
Vee and Rena are very very diferent but like i said the injurie time made Vee look into Tennis in a diferent way i donīt know Tennis ainīt all that important to her anymore at least that is what she is showing in the courts. sometimes it seams that sheīs really ungry for titles and all that but then she plays like this.

Maybe the French Open being a slam will bring that hunger back. But Venus needs that passion back soon.

Knizzle
Apr 14th, 2005, 08:49 PM
Out of what? She played a bad match and she lost? :rolleyes: It happens. If you're giving up on her, then she doesn't need fans like you :wavey:

ME give up on her!!

How DARE you after all the times you have bashed Venus for losing to Serena!! You've given up on her plenty of times. Then you have the audacity to accuse me of giving up on her and that she doesn't need fans like ME??

You need to check yourself.

tennisIlove09
Apr 14th, 2005, 08:51 PM
Ive never given up on Venus. Never. You're the one coming in here hating on her. No one else.

volta
Apr 14th, 2005, 08:52 PM
Maybe the French Open being a slam will bring that hunger back. But Venus needs that passion back soon.
i donīt know iīll always be there for her and support her but in the slams itīs worse i think. the problem is in her head if there is a problem that is cuz we her fans might think that there is and she might not feel the same way.

Knizzle
Apr 14th, 2005, 08:52 PM
Ive never given up on Venus. Never. You're the one coming in here hating on her. No one else.

Don't forget I know you from the ESPN boards, I know your MO.

tennisIlove09
Apr 14th, 2005, 08:52 PM
:haha: :haha: :haha: ESPN boards? I haven't been there in like 2 years. :haha:

tennisIlove09
Apr 14th, 2005, 08:53 PM
and people actually grow up and realize that tennis is a sport, not life. perhaps others should do the same ;)

Knizzle
Apr 14th, 2005, 08:54 PM
and people actually grow up and realize that tennis is a sport, not life. perhaps others should do the same ;)

When you get to that point, let us know. ;)

GoDominique
Apr 14th, 2005, 08:56 PM
Peace, my friends. Peace.

tennisIlove09
Apr 14th, 2005, 09:03 PM
Im so there hun. Im not the one ranting and raving over a loss. :tape:

davidmario
Apr 14th, 2005, 09:10 PM
Venus has a real problem with her footwork. She stands too open. In 2000 and 2001 she had a perfect hitting position. Here is an example:
In 2000: http://bermuda.stanford.edu/studentArchive/courseA/Teens2000/venus.jpg
Nowadays often this: http://www.theage.com.au/text/ffximage/2005/01/18/venus_williams_narrowweb__200x290.jpg

Kart
Apr 14th, 2005, 09:23 PM
They're two completely different people.

Venus doesn't need Serena to teach her anything.

Some lessons have to be learned the hard way.

Venus Forever
Apr 14th, 2005, 09:49 PM
What Venus needs is not something Serena can teach her.

What Venus needs is dedication, without any outside distractions, and the complete desire to improve to the best she can be.

She may have been able to get by before with what she has, but not anymore. She needs to rededicate herself to the sport, and not look like an amateur out there.

Time for Venus to think about her game all over again, and what she is doing on court.

faste5683
Apr 14th, 2005, 09:59 PM
Peace, my friends. Peace.

:eek:

:haha:

:wavey:

harloo
Apr 14th, 2005, 10:02 PM
:mad:Venus does not need Serena to teach her anything, but I do hope Venus gets her fight back.

Venus needs to change her serve motion,forehand and technique. If she does this she will beat the likes of Golovin, and Maria but if she does not change anything the same results can be expected throughout the rest of her career.

Mrs. Peel
Apr 14th, 2005, 10:12 PM
They're two completely different people.

Venus doesn't need Serena to teach her anything.

Some lessons have to be learned the hard way.

I've been saying this about Venus...she'll have to continue to take the hard lessons until she figures it out!

faste5683
Apr 14th, 2005, 10:13 PM
:mad:

Venus needs to change her serve motion,forehand and technique. If she does this she will beat the likes of Golovin, and Maria but if she does not change anything the same results can be expected throughout the rest of her career.

:eek:

That's a lot to ask of a 24 year who's been playing on the WTA tour for 10 years...I would imagine she would have to break everything down and start over - back to the basics - footwork, racquet prep, seeing the ball, balance and consistency.

:wavey:

RVD
Apr 14th, 2005, 10:19 PM
What Venus needs is not something Serena can teach her.

What Venus needs is dedication, without any outside distractions, and the complete desire to improve to the best she can be.

She may have been able to get by before with what she has, but not anymore. She needs to rededicate herself to the sport, and not look like an amateur out there.

Time for Venus to think about her game all over again, and what she is doing on court.This is exactly how I feel.

Also, Serena and Venus are two different players. I think people should stop comparing the two. It's almost like saying, Kim should be more like Justine. They all have their strengths and weaknesses, and bring something unique to the game.

The only reason Serena is having more success than Venus (presently) is because of what Venus Forever has already stated: DEDICATION
Serena HATES to lose and shows it all the time. She practices till she gets blisters. :lol: With Venus, you never really know how she's feeling afterwards. And we already know how much she dislikes practicing. Venus needs that one spark of motivation from somewhere. Truth is, only Venus can turn it around for herself. And sorry, but no amount or number of (new) coaching will do that for a player. Just mho.

RVD

faste5683
Apr 14th, 2005, 10:37 PM
The only reason Serena is having more success than Venus (presently) is because of what Venus Forever has already stated: DEDICATION
RVD

I disagree. Serena is so far beyond Venus in the fundamentals of tennis that it's hard to believe. I don't think Venus can will herself to victory or beat people by trying harder - it's gone beyond that. At this point (imo) Vee has developed a phobia with her forehand - you can see it in her face; tense, worried, striking the ball like it's a hot potato. Everybody in the WTA is going after it - she knows it- and you would think that her forehand would improve from the sheer quantity of balls hit to that side, but it's getting worse, not better.

Maybe coming in is the key; perhaps a new coach: it's hard to say at this point.

:wavey:

Denise4925
Apr 14th, 2005, 10:46 PM
:eek:

That's a lot to ask of a 24 year who's been playing on the WTA tour for 10 years...I would imagine she would have to break everything down and start over - back to the basics - footwork, racquet prep, seeing the ball, balance and consistency.

:wavey:
Well, it's better than spinning your wheels. Andre completely retooled his game and went back to the challengers. Look at what he accomplished. Nothing is beneath you, if you really want to move forward.

Denise4925
Apr 14th, 2005, 10:55 PM
I disagree. Serena is so far beyond Venus in the fundamentals of tennis that it's hard to believe. I don't think Venus can will herself to victory or beat people by trying harder - it's gone beyond that. At this point (imo) Vee has developed a phobia with her forehand - you can see it in her face; tense, worried, striking the ball like it's a hot potato. Everybody in the WTA is going after it - she knows it- and you would think that her forehand would improve from the sheer quantity of balls hit to that side, but it's getting worse, not better.

Maybe coming in is the key; perhaps a new coach: it's hard to say at this point.

:wavey:
I totally agree with this. Dedication alone just won't do it. She needs someone to give her a fresh outlook and new viewpoint. She needs some technical coaching and a new game plan. A consistent game plan that she will feel comfortable with that is somewhat universal or adaptable to most players who hit to her forehand constantly. A foil plan, if you will. A good coach like Brad Gilbert or any one of several coaches could probably help her in these areas. I think that Richard and Oracene are at a loss and don't know what to do or tell her at this point, because of their lack of experience at this level and the trouble she's in. Prior to, all they needed to do was refine the talent she had as a phenom, now there are a whole slew of problems that I don't think they saw coming. I think both of them should encourage her to get outside help.

Tennisaddict
Apr 15th, 2005, 12:19 AM
Serena can't teach Venus anything that Venus doesn't already know :rolleyes:.
Venus loses one tennismatch and people are whining again.

There's nothing wrong with her game when she plays to her fullest potential.
Sure there are a couple of things that need to improve but these aren't the reason that she is losing. Besides nobody has a perfect game. It's all mental right now for Venus, once she gets over that hurdle she''ll be back in the winners circle in no time, with the same game that got her all her glorious victories and 31 titles. I don't care what people say but Venus' game of 2000/2001 is still top notch even in today's field.

She could have given up a year ago when she was struggling but she didn't, she is still out there because she wants it and knows she can get it again.

Stamp Paid
Apr 15th, 2005, 12:28 AM
When you get to that point, let us know. ;)

rotf, I know right. :tape:

Stamp Paid
Apr 15th, 2005, 12:31 AM
right and the 61 76 match proves that

:ignore:

<STFU Justin>

~ The Leopard ~
Apr 15th, 2005, 01:02 AM
SWOOP!!!!

~ The Leopard ~
Apr 15th, 2005, 01:05 AM
Some people really do like to diss a great player after one unexpected loss. For those with short memories, Vee beat Serena just a few days ago. She'll do more great things before her career is over. :)

icequeen
Apr 15th, 2005, 01:40 AM
Out of what? She played a bad match and she lost? :rolleyes: It happens. If you're giving up on her, then she doesn't need fans like you :wavey:


We are not giving up on Venus but come on these losses are getting very tiring and she says the same thing over and over again that it's her errors if she know this then why isn't she fixing that problem. This is very frustrating and I will not follow her matches anymore because she sends my blood pressure up and makes my heart race and i can't handle it anymore.

icequeen
Apr 15th, 2005, 01:46 AM
I totally agree with this. Dedication alone just won't do it. She needs someone to give her a fresh outlook and new viewpoint. She needs some technical coaching and a new game plan. A consistent game plan that she will feel comfortable with that is somewhat universal or adaptable to most players who hit to her forehand constantly. A foil plan, if you will. A good coach like Brad Gilbert or any one of several coaches could probably help her in these areas. I think that Richard and Oracene are at a loss and don't know what to do or tell her at this point, because of their lack of experience at this level and the trouble she's in. Prior to, all they needed to do was refine the talent she had as a phenom, now there are a whole slew of problems that I don't think they saw coming. I think both of them should encourage her to get outside help.


Venus has another coach along with Richard I read it in an article from the FCC.

icequeen
Apr 15th, 2005, 01:47 AM
Serena can't teach Venus anything that Venus doesn't already know :rolleyes:.
Venus loses one tennismatch and people are whining again.

There's nothing wrong with her game when she plays to her fullest potential.
Sure there are a couple of things that need to improve but these aren't the reason that she is losing. Besides nobody has a perfect game. It's all mental right now for Venus, once she gets over that hurdle she''ll be back in the winners circle in no time, with the same game that got her all her glorious victories and 31 titles. I don't care what people say but Venus' game of 2000/2001 is still top notch even in today's field.

She could have given up a year ago when she was struggling but she didn't, she is still out there because she wants it and knows she can get it again.

I have to agree with you it's all mental not the forehand the serve or anything else she needs that mental piece back.

icequeen
Apr 15th, 2005, 01:48 AM
Some people really do like to diss a great player after one unexpected loss. For those with short memories, Vee beat Serena just a few days ago. She'll do more great things before her career is over. :)

But she's losing more and more.

Knizzle
Apr 15th, 2005, 02:37 AM
Venus has another coach along with Richard I read it in an article from the FCC.


Could you post a link to this article.

Bankhead Bounce
Apr 15th, 2005, 05:34 PM
I think it would help. Serena fights and she doesn't give up. Venus needs that fire and inspiration. Serena is better than Venus in every part of the game and she could give Venus some pointers and have Venus be at least good again and competitive even for the small tournaments like Charleston. Venus will not get a new coach so that leaves her sister as the last resort outside of a sports therapist.

I love Vee too but by the way things have been going she does need some inspiration and lil sis would be the first place I'd go if I was her.