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Justin
Apr 12th, 2005, 10:52 PM
Apr 12, 4:48 PM EDT




MADISON, Wis. (AP) -- Feline lovers holding pictures of cats, clutching stuffed animals and wearing whiskers faced-off against hundreds of hunters at meetings around Wisconsin to voice their opinion on whether to legalize cat hunting.

Residents in 72 counties were asked whether free-roaming cats - including any domestic cat that isn't under the owner's direct control or any cat without a collar - should be listed as an unprotected species. If listed as so, the cats could be hunted.

The proposal was one of several dozen included in a spring vote on hunting and fishing issues held by the Wisconsin Conservation Congress. The results, only advisory, get forwarded to the state Natural Resources Board.

Statewide results were expected Tuesday.

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La Crosse firefighter Mark Smith, 48, helped spearhead the cat-hunting proposal. He wants Wisconsin to declare free-roaming wild cats an unprotected species, just like skunks or gophers. Anyone with a small-game license could shoot the cats at will.
At least two other upper Midwestern states, South Dakota and Minnesota, allow wild cats to be shot - and have for decades. Minnesota defines a wild, or feral, cat as one with no collar that does not show friendly behavior, said Kevin Kyle with that state's Department of Natural Resources.

Every year in Wisconsin alone, an estimated 2 million wild cats kill 47 million to 139 million songbirds, according to state officials. Despite the astounding numbers, Smith's plan has been met with fierce opposition from cat lovers.

Critics of Smith's idea organized Wisconsin Cat-Action Team and developed a Web site - dontshootthecat.com. Some argue it is better to trap wild cats, spay or neuter them, before releasing them.

In Madison, about 1,200 people attended the Monday evening meeting at the Alliant Center - more than the 250 or so in a typical year, but less than the 3,000 or so who took part in a debate in 2000 over whether to allow hunters to shoot mourning doves.

One of the attendees was Katy Francis, who wore cat ears, whiskers, a cat nose and a sign that read, "Too Cute to Kill." For Francis, "The cat hunting thing brought me out because it was very extreme."

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WTF? :fiery:

:armed: vs. :cat:

Mrs. Peel
Apr 12th, 2005, 11:13 PM
:rolleyes: :rolleyes:


So blood thirsty to kill......

Ted of Teds Tennis
Apr 13th, 2005, 03:18 AM
You might wish to try reading this more reasoned discussion (http://timesfour.com/eve/ubb.x/a/tpc/f/938109321/m/867104274) of the topic. It's not cat hunting, it's a reclassification of feral cats -- which probably haven't been anybody's pet for generations -- so as to allow people another method of dealing with such pests.

Blame the cat owners who let their cats run outside all day.

Scotso
Apr 13th, 2005, 03:59 AM
Ted, that's absolutely no excuse.

Hunting cats? That's pathetic.

AjdeNate!
Apr 13th, 2005, 04:00 AM
Cheeseheads :rolleyes:

Wigglytuff
Apr 13th, 2005, 04:16 AM
You might wish to try reading this more reasoned discussion (http://timesfour.com/eve/ubb.x/a/tpc/f/938109321/m/867104274) of the topic. It's not cat hunting, it's a reclassification of feral cats -- which probably haven't been anybody's pet for generations -- so as to allow people another method of dealing with such pests.

Blame the cat owners who let their cats run outside all day.

see there in lies theproblem some cats are semi feral. that is they can leave the house when ever they like.

its also a blood thirsty misrepresation as well,cats also kill mice, rats and other pests.

i really dont think that hunting is the way to go here. there are other better options. if need be, humanely putting the animals to sleep so always a better option.

R&J
Apr 13th, 2005, 04:58 AM
How sad :sad:

treufreund
Apr 13th, 2005, 05:36 AM
disgusting :fiery:

Mariangelina
Apr 13th, 2005, 10:27 AM
Did it even cross the minds of these people that some lovely cats with a home to go to at night wander around the neighbourhood and woods chasing mice during the day? Is it now open season on any family pet straying too far from home? Every day I find a new reason to be glad my cat stays inside. I don't think people should be free to shoot any creature minding its own business. Hunting for "pleasure" is just sick, sick, sick. What's next, "reclassification" of truant children?

I'm sorry, but the "right" to own a powerful weapon and shoot defenceless animals is NOT a fundamental human right.

Lynx
Apr 13th, 2005, 11:18 AM
:mad: :fiery: http://forum.sport.be/ubb/graemlins/pissed.gif http://www.clicksmilies.com/s0105/sauer/angry-smiley-054.gif

Minnesota defines a wild, or feral, cat as one with no collar that does not show friendly behavior, said Kevin Kyle with that state's Department of Natural Resources.Should we adapt the same standard to humans? To those wearing no collar and not showing friendly behaviour...

ceiling_fan
Apr 13th, 2005, 11:36 AM
nooo!

BritneySpearsIsHot
Apr 13th, 2005, 12:19 PM
If anyone hunted my cats, I would hunt them and torture them

tennislover
Apr 13th, 2005, 01:05 PM
:eek: :eek: :eek:

griffin
Apr 13th, 2005, 01:48 PM
Did it even cross the minds of these people that some lovely cats with a home to go to at night wander around the neighbourhood and woods chasing mice during the day?

Not to mention that this could basically legalized animal cruelty ("I wasn't try to torture anything, I was just hunting"), and create a dangerous situation for HUMANS. Most of the feral cat populations I know of live in urban/suburban areas. Do you really want someone taking shots at animals (of any kind) where there are likely lots of people around?

Keith
Apr 13th, 2005, 01:52 PM
Most hunters only hunt to feed their families. They aren't going to kill a kitty cat just because it's in the way. It's a waste of ammo for the hunters. By the way, there are several states that already have this law. Just because it might become legal, doesn't mean that most hunters are going to start shooting them.

Joana
Apr 13th, 2005, 02:02 PM
Did it even cross the minds of these people that some lovely cats with a home to go to at night wander around the neighbourhood and woods chasing mice during the day? Is it now open season on any family pet straying too far from home? Every day I find a new reason to be glad my cat stays inside. I don't think people should be free to shoot any creature minding its own business. Hunting for "pleasure" is just sick, sick, sick. What's next, "reclassification" of truant children?

I'm sorry, but the "right" to own a powerful weapon and shoot defenceless animals is NOT a fundamental human right.

But you know, some children really do not show friendly behaviour. Let's hunt them! :D

Sonja
Apr 13th, 2005, 02:30 PM
This is NOT the way to solve the problem. I know of so many once feral cats that have been "domesticated" (or humans retrained) and live wonderful lives now. I don't understand why live animal traps can't be used and a spay/neuter program set-up, then adoption. This has been done with a good success rate in many areas. If they have to be put down there are less cruel ways to do it. It seems to me that they're unwilling to explore their options and are looking at a fast fix, which I find absolutely deplorable.

*leaves laughing at Joanna and thoughts of buying a water gun to shoot at children*

griffin
Apr 13th, 2005, 02:48 PM
Most hunters only hunt to feed their families. They aren't going to kill a kitty cat just because it's in the way. It's a waste of ammo for the hunters. By the way, there are several states that already have this law. Just because it might become legal, doesn't mean that most hunters are going to start shooting them.

Do you honetly believe these people are going to be putting cat on their table? (I respect the fact that many hunters do eat what they kill - but I don't buy for one second that feeding their families is WHY they do it)

griffin
Apr 13th, 2005, 02:49 PM
(kids can be retrained, too - feral posters, I'm not so sure about :lol: )

Sonja
Apr 13th, 2005, 05:32 PM
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/797408228?ltl=1113413527

ys
Apr 13th, 2005, 06:59 PM
Do you honetly believe these people are going to be putting cat on their table? (I respect the fact that many hunters do eat what they kill - but I don't buy for one second that feeding their families is WHY they do it)

You never know.. I remember the story back in South Africa in 1996 or 1997 which made us laugh really hard when local blacks tried to imitate whites who love to make barbeques on stadium during the cricket matches, and they decided to grill a cat on a stadium watching a soccer match.. That was very funny.. It was discussed on TV, on radiostation.. Hillarious.. :lol:

griffin
Apr 13th, 2005, 07:05 PM
There are a number of cultures that look at cats the way we look at chickens (and I'm sure they'd find your customs equally hilarious), but I from what I've seen of this on the news, those aren't the people lobbying for the kitten-hunt.

:wavey:

the cat
Apr 13th, 2005, 07:20 PM
This has the finger prints of cat haters and cat abusers all over it. :mad: Feral dogs and pet dogs that travel in packs and go on cat killing sprees and are a danger for humans should have been included in this proposal too. Has anyone ever seen a pack of feral dogs or pet dogs on the loose causing mayhem. :eek: That is a frightening sight and much moreso than feral cats in the woods. The feral cat problem needs to be tackled head on in my opinion. But in a humane way. I think legalizing shooting of feral cats gives cat haters and cat abusers a greater opportunity to do harm to cats and get their jollies from it.

But this was only a proposal to recognize that feral cats should become unpotected. And this proposal has a couple of more hurdles to make before this is legalized. But some hunters already shoot what they deem to be feral cats in Wisconsin.

I must say I am surprised how mnay Wisconsin hunters are against rhe prposal to leagize the shooting of feral cats. I've been following this story online for weeks and some hunters say they are embarrassed by this proposal. True sportsmen know this is wrong.

And how about the hunters who are upset feral cats are killing pheasants? These hunters want the cats out of the way so they can shoot the pheasants. :( :rolleyes:

There is no question feral cats are a problem and need to be better controlled. But that can be done in humane ways intead of shooting these cats. The TNR program works. Anyone who researches this online will find that out.

I propose using the TNR program everwhere in America and not just in Wisconsin. It will take a long time to reduce the feral cat population to more reasonable numbers. But it's taken mankind several decades to create the feral cat over population so it should be understood that it will take years to reduce the feral cat population.

I also think half the cats trapped in the TNR programs be fixed and released back into the wild. They will only live a couple of more years anyway and won't be able to repoduce. But sadly I think the other 50% of the feral cats trapped should be humanley eithanized. Using this strategy would help reduce the feral cat over population nationwide.

I am aslo for stricter laws for cat owner and dog owners. Fine owners who don't take care of their pets and who don't have them licensed. And threaten to take their animals from them if not controlling their pets happen again. I also think people who dump pets anywhere just to get rid of them should be charged with animal cruelty. This will cut down on the pet dumping.

Cats need to be kept inside more than they are for their safety if nothing else. But once I put my last indoor/outdoor cat to sleep a few years ago I had mice preoblems within a few weeks and spend hundreds of dollars trying to rectify the mice problem. People who own homes need their cats outside sometimes just to keep the vermin away.

And what of people who say feral cats carry diseases? Some do. So when a hunter shoots a feral cat isn't he responsible for burying that cat so other animals don't feed on the cats diseased dead body? But I haven't heard anything from the hunters about what to do with the cats once they are shot.

People also need to remember that habitat loss is a major reason birds are vanishing from Wisconsin and not just because feral cats kill the birds of Wisconsin.

Wisconsin Veternarians are already commenting on having to work on shot cats that weren't killed. And who foots the bill for that? The Vets do. the Vets should sue hunting groups and the sate of Wisconsin for the expenses of having to save the life of feral cast that have been shot and then brought to the Vets by a good samaritan. Why should a Veternarian have to pay for that?

Keith, hunting feral cats is legal in Minnesota and South Dakota. But people in Minnesota admit hunting feral cats does not work. But the TNR progam works. Slowly but surely it works.

Wisconsin DNR Secretasry Scoitt Hassett said yesterday that no matter how the vote turned out it won't be open season on stray cats in Wisconsin. Here is the link to that story www.wxow.com/news/publish/articles/article_1785.shtml (http://www.wxow.com/news/publish/articles/article_1785.shtml)

Besides Scott Hassett, some Wisconsin politicians have said they will fight to keep from making the proposal legal. I hope the proposal is not made legal. But one good thing has come of this controversy and that's people in America will have to face the feral cat over population problem. I just hope the leaders can come to a humane way to dealing with the feral cat problem. Once feral cats die or leave their location others move right into the territory. But if enough feral cats are fixed and euthanized nationwide the feral cats won't be able to reproduce fast enough to rebuild their populations. it will take many years to improve this problem. But doing it the humane way is the way to go with this and not shooting and wounding cats that are left to die a torturous death with a bulett wound.

P.S. - Well said to Griffin, Sonja and mnay others. :)

ys
Apr 13th, 2005, 08:09 PM
There are a number of cultures that look at cats the way we look at chickens (and I'm sure they'd find your customs equally hilarious), but I from what I've seen of this on the news, those aren't the people lobbying for the kitten-hunt.

:wavey:

I am sure you are right.. My friend who used to serve in army told that they used to eat cats ( soldiers in Russian army are always hungry ).. He says it tatses no different than a rabbit.. I'd like to try it too.. I hope when they legalise it, it will be possible to buy catmeat in supermarkets..

the cat
Apr 13th, 2005, 08:52 PM
It won't be legalized ys. But the controversy and discussion will help cat owners and pet owners become better and more responsible pet owners.

I spoke with Larry Bonde, chairmain of the Conservation Congress for Manitowoc County in Wisconsin for about a half an hour this afternoon. Mr. Bonde said while he thinks the proposal to leagazie hunting feral cats is okay, he doesn't think it will get past the Wisconsin DNR is late May. He did say it's likely that the Congrssional Congress will approve the proposal to unprotect feral cats in their May meeting because voters voted for it. But he stressed that it was not likely to get past the DNR who he thinks will kill the proposal. And he went on to say that the very liberal anti gun Wisconsin Govenor Jim Doyle has already said he will not sign the proposal making it legal.

Larry Bonde also said the media blew this issue and the story way out of proportion.

P.S. - Anyone who wants to write a thoughtful letter to the Wisconsin DNR Secretary Scott Hassett to voice their concerns about the Wisconsin feral cat proposal PM me and I will PM you a reply with Mr. Hassett's email address. I have emailed him twice already. And anyone is welcome to ask me for Scott Hassett's email address so you can voice your opinion on this contorversial subject. I try to be fair and if you oppose my views I will still give you his email adress if you would like to express your views to Mr. Hassett.

ys
Apr 13th, 2005, 08:58 PM
And he went on to say that the very liberal anti gun Wisconsin Govenor Jim Doyle has already said he will not sign the proposal making it legal.

It's OK.. We can do it without guns. We can use traps .. as long as cats are left unprotected..

the cat
Apr 13th, 2005, 09:55 PM
They won't be left unprotected ys. Here is a link to Wisconsin Govenor Jim Doyle's comments on the proposal. The article called "Cat-Kill Bill Not Going Anywhere" is located at www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/04/13/national/main687961.shtml (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/04/13/national/main687961.shtml).

Larry Bonde, chairman of the Conservation Congress for Manitowoc County told me this afternoon that he traps feral cats on people's properties and if they want the feral cat killed he does so and if they want the feral cat released he does so as well. He also told me that he has traps in his yard that are safe but still will trap cats and he sometimes traps his neighbors cats and calls them over and shows them their cat in his trap safe and sound. That usually inspires his neighbors to try to keep their cats closer to home. And I think the feral cat controvrsy will create more responsible cat owners in America because more cat owners will be aware of the many dangers cats face if left outside for an extended period of time. And that's a good thing because ireesponsible cat owners and irresponsible dog owners need to be taken to task for not taking better care of their pets.

Scotso
Apr 14th, 2005, 03:44 AM
Most hunters only hunt to feed their families. They aren't going to kill a kitty cat just because it's in the way. It's a waste of ammo for the hunters. By the way, there are several states that already have this law. Just because it might become legal, doesn't mean that most hunters are going to start shooting them.

I disagree. Most hunters in this country do it for "sport." We don't need to kill go out in the woods and shoot animals to eat in this country.

Mariangelina
Apr 14th, 2005, 10:37 AM
I've got a great idea! Every day I hear teachers and one of the ineffectual vice-principals whining about how disrespectful teenagers are and how some of us do things like sell pot and fight and wear slutty clothing. It would really improve things if we equipped all the teachers with Uzis. You could have people on the honour roll or who are good at sports wear little DON'T SHOOT ME bracelets, and anyone else had better show some friendly behaviour really fast when a teacher comes around. :devil:

Do you honestly think the kind of callous person who could find it in their heart to kill an innocent cat- or any other kind of innocent animal- would wait a second to see if it showed friendly behaviour? :lol: Is any creature going to show friendly behaviour to someone with a gun? The average teenager has caused way more harm in the world than the average cat. Would you shoot me? Then don't kill any cats.

per4ever
Apr 14th, 2005, 12:27 PM
You might wish to try reading this more reasoned discussion (http://timesfour.com/eve/ubb.x/a/tpc/f/938109321/m/867104274) of the topic. It's not cat hunting, it's a reclassification of feral cats -- which probably haven't been anybody's pet for generations -- so as to allow people another method of dealing with such pests.

Blame the cat owners who let their cats run outside all day.

yeah right.. a cat usually has it's own territory, only specific races are meant to live inside. You can leave your cat outside, it knows it's territory and will rarely go beyond it's borders. My cat can go in and out as she likes.

There are people in here saying that most hunters kill for food. That's total rubbish. It used to be like that yes, people hunted to survive. Now it's more of an elite thing, shooting and killing for 'sport'/fun. I have never understood how killing an animal can be a sport. Those butchers have to be some serious topsporters.
I really hope they never allow it. I can't imagine that a hunter will first go to the cat, check if it has any label and see if it's friendly 'pussy pussy pussy, come here kitty :rolleyes:' There are several cat haters outthere who dare to poison cats, they would just use this as a perfect excuse to kill cats.

Wigglytuff
Apr 14th, 2005, 01:55 PM
i wanted to add that stray DOGS are also a menace to society. and as the_cat said there is no move to hunt them. and i think that needs to be taken into consideration when discussing this.

Wigglytuff
Apr 14th, 2005, 01:59 PM
I've got a great idea! Every day I hear teachers and one of the ineffectual vice-principals whining about how disrespectful teenagers are and how some of us do things like sell pot and fight and wear slutty clothing. It would really improve things if we equipped all the teachers with Uzis. You could have people on the honour roll or who are good at sports wear little DON'T SHOOT ME bracelets, and anyone else had better show some friendly behaviour really fast when a teacher comes around. :devil:

Do you honestly think the kind of callous person who could find it in their heart to kill an innocent cat- or any other kind of innocent animal- would wait a second to see if it showed friendly behaviour? :lol: Is any creature going to show friendly behaviour to someone with a gun? The average teenager has caused way more harm in the world than the average cat. Would you shoot me? Then don't kill any cats.

i am a pre-service teacher and i approve this message!! :tape: :tape: :devil: :armed: :armed:

the cat
Apr 14th, 2005, 02:23 PM
Great post Mariangelina, per4ever and Jigglypuff. Jiggly, feral dogs are a menance as are pet dogs running loose and causing mayhem in neighoborhoods and are a real threat to humans. But I think we all know if feral dogs had been included with feral cats on the proposal it would have been voted down for sure even though feral dogs are more of a threat to people and farmers livestock than feral cats are. Feral dogs numbers are much less than feral cats but feral dogs are a real threat to farmers livestock and that's why feral dogs should have been included in this Wisconsin proposal.

But I do agree the feral cat over population is a problem and needs to be dealt with. But in a humane way that will slowly but surely reduce the feral cat population that has taken decades to grow to what it is. I really want all 50 states to make it illegal for pet cats to be off their property without having a collar, their health shots and having been fixed. Being tougher on pet owners will only help the situation of feral cats and feral dogs and pet cats and pet dogs who roam. And I might be dreaming, but I would love for American lawmakers to charge those who dump their pets to get rid of them with animal cruelty charges and a steep fine. I believe that is a form of animal cruelty and should be treated as such with jail sentences possible just like other people caught and charged with animal cruelty.

per, I was happy to read so many Wisconsin hunters who are totally against the feral cat proposal and spoke out against it. I know it's hard to believe but some hunters really are sportsmen and decent people.

P.S. - I do think the television media didn't do the feral cat proposal any favors by constantly referring to the proposed Wisconsin feral cat hunt as a cat hunt when it was about a feral cat hunt away from residential areas and the feral cats there. I was watching Fox cable and CNN cable yesterday and today and they referred to it as a possible Wisconsin cat hunt and never mentioned the word feral. To be fair that's not good news reporting because when people hear cat hunt they think of pet cats and neighborhood cats and that's not was the feral cat proposal was about.

harloo
Apr 14th, 2005, 04:23 PM
I saw this on the news and the farmers were arguing that they have so many stray cats in their fields and they don't have the resources($50 a cat to get trapped and neutered) to pay for this cost. I can understand their dilemma but killing cat's is not the answer. Cat's can be annoying but they are harmless animals. I use to feed a stray, but she started bringing friends and before I knew it I was feeding 3 cats. That had to end because it was costing me.:lol:

I do take issue with Jiggly comparing dogs to cats though. I think their is a difference in regards to aggression. Where I use to live children were bitten by stray dogs all the time. I think a stray dog is far more dangerous than a cat, especially those pit bulls. The police started to crack down on these kids who had the pits because they were training them for fighting. Dogs that are not taken care of by their owner can and will attack. ;)

the cat
Apr 14th, 2005, 05:18 PM
Good post harloo. How did your feeding the stray cats end? Did you just stop feeding them or did you do something else. I know alot of people think they are helping stray cats when they are feeding them. But in a way they are contributing to the stray cat problem because more stray cats will come and expect to be fed. Then the person feeding the stray cays feels overwhelmed with the problem and doesn't know what to do. It's a really sad situation. :sad:

And harloo I think Jugglypuff was saying that stray dogs are dangerous and should be treated as such. The stories about pitbulls being trained to fight are so sad. :( There often are trained on killing kittens, cats and small dogs. :sad: And then the pitbulls if they get to be good enough killers are set upon each other is horrific dog fights. I think dog fighting is a terrible act of animal cruely. :mad: Unfortunately dog fighting is a big business in America and it's hard for law enforcement to stop it.

wta_zuperfann
Apr 14th, 2005, 10:18 PM
Oh those beer gluttonous cheeseheads! :fiery:


But that's the way the USA is becoming nowadays. It's becoming more and more like the Middle Ages: innocent cats are being attacked for supposedly being agents of the Devil, certain women are attacked because they are equated with witches, minorities are attacked for "contaminating" the populace, anyone who dares to diverge from the majority consensus is practically hunted down as if they are "anathema" and a peril to society. I hate to sound so damn negative but it's Babylon all over again.

WHEN WILL IT STOP???

the cat
Apr 14th, 2005, 11:20 PM
wta, there is no doubt the vile stereotyping and abuse of cats is outrageous and wrong. :( I don't know if it will ever stop. But the horrible abuses cats face in America can probably be reduced with education and having fewer feral cats around that evil minded trouble makers can get their hands on. And I want stronger laws in America to protect pet cats and feral cats. :cats: But somehow the state of Wisconsin and America needs to find a way to humanley and intelligently deal with the feral cat over population when the controversy dies down. The first things should be to charge people who are caught dumping cats and other pets into the wild with serious crimes and fines. I think that would significantly slow down the terrible pet dumping tradition in America. But it is a good thing that cat owners are in America are upset about the feral cat proposal in Wisconsin because the pressure is now on cat owners to take better care of their cats and make sure they have a license, their shots and are fixed unless they are breeding cats for business purposes. Asking cat owners to get a license and shots for their cats and to get them fixed really isn't asking too much of cat owners in my opinion. I never had any problem doing that.

Wigglytuff
Apr 14th, 2005, 11:22 PM
I saw this on the news and the farmers were arguing that they have so many stray cats in their fields and they don't have the resources($50 a cat to get trapped and neutered) to pay for this cost. I can understand their dilemma but killing cat's is not the answer. Cat's can be annoying but they are harmless animals. I use to feed a stray, but she started bringing friends and before I knew it I was feeding 3 cats. That had to end because it was costing me.:lol:

I do take issue with Jiggly comparing dogs to cats though. I think their is a difference in regards to aggression. Where I use to live children were bitten by stray dogs all the time. I think a stray dog is far more dangerous than a cat, especially those pit bulls. The police started to crack down on these kids who had the pits because they were training them for fighting. Dogs that are not taken care of by their owner can and will attack. ;)
i dont understand what you are "taking issue " with. all i said was that the treatment would be different if this were about dogs. which is true. and that stray dogs are a menace, which in addition to being true is what you said.

errr... so i am confused. :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:

Barrie_Dude
Apr 14th, 2005, 11:39 PM
I don't know what the problem is here. I hunt pussy all the time! :shrug:

the cat
Apr 15th, 2005, 02:55 PM
But you come up empty, Barrie. :cat: ;)

On a serious note, I came accross and informative article about how the TNR (Trap-Neuter-Return) program works if given enough time. The article is located at www.neighborhoodcats.org/about/about_essays_old_3.htm (http://www.neighborhoodcats.org/about/about_essays_old_3.htm)

And I think a nationwide TNR program would eventually go a long way in helping reduce the feral cat over population to more tolerable levels. I think it would be fair to trap, neuter and return 50% of the cats trapped to the wild and sadly trap and humanely euthanize the other 50% of feral cats trapped. The feral cast returned to the wild will only live a couple more year abd won't be able to reproduce. And the other 50% of the feral cats trapped would be humanely euthanized keeping these feral cats from reproducing as well. I think the TNR program has enough proof that if works. Now it needs to get backing in every state in America for the TNR program to really take off.

From what I've read online about Australia and it's feral cat over population problem Australia legally but brutally uses shooting feral cats, poisoning feral cats and using dogs to hunt feral cats to try to keep their feral cat over population under control. I don't want to see America go that killing route so I hope the TNR program can be developed in America. Education and citations for negligent cat owners can only go so far. At some point we will have to find a way to reduce the feral cat over population. I just hope it's a humane way.

Barrie_Dude
Apr 15th, 2005, 05:32 PM
But you come up empty, Barrie. :cat: ;)

On a serious note, I came accross and informative article about how the TNR (Trap-Neuter-Return) program works if given enough time. The article is located at www.neighborhoodcats.org/about/about_essays_old_3.htm (http://www.neighborhoodcats.org/about/about_essays_old_3.htm)

And I think a nationwide TNR program would eventually go a long way in helping reduce the feral cat over population to more tolerable levels. I think it would be fair to trap, neuter and return 50% of the cats trapped to the wild and sadly trap and humanely euthanize the other 50% of feral cats trapped. The feral cast returned to the wild will only live a couple more year abd won't be able to reproduce. And the other 50% of the feral cats trapped would be humanely euthanized keeping these feral cats from reproducing as well. I think the TNR program has enough proof that if works. Now it needs to get backing in every state in America for the TNR program to really take off.

From what I've read online about Australia and it's feral cat over population problem Australia legally but brutally uses shooting feral cats, poisoning feral cats and using dogs to hunt feral cats to try to keep their feral cat over population under control. I don't want to see America go that killing route so I hope the TNR program can be developed in America. Education and citations for negligent cat owners can only go so far. At some point we will have to find a way to reduce the feral cat over population. I just hope it's a humane way.BREAK OUT THE 12 GUAGES, EVERYONE! It's a kitty cat! Time to go hunting!

the cat
Apr 15th, 2005, 10:13 PM
It's nothing to joke about Barrie. It's likely the feral cat controversy in Wisconsin played a role in 4 pets cats recently being shot to death in Wisconsin. :( The people who do such cowardly acts are worse than sick. :mad: They are emotionally sick and dangerous not only to animals but society. Even if the pet cats roamed a bit and ran onto someone else's property that's no reason the shoot them morally or legally. It's not like these pet cats are large dogs on a neighborhood rampage. The lack of decency of some people amazes me. The article is located at www.channel3000.com/news/4378898/detail.html (http://www.channel3000.com/news/4378898/detail.html)

P.S. - I worry that retaliation to the Wisconsin DNR Secretary Scott Hassett and Wisconsin Govenor Jim Doyle saying they won't make the passed to vote to reclassify feral cats as an unprotected species legal, that a small percentage of cat haters in Wisconsin or anywhere else for that matter, will go the extra step and shoot pet cats and even bait them off their cat owners property to shoot them with the smell of food in the woods. People everywhere especially in Wisconsin are really going to have to keep a close eye on their cats now. It's all very sad that some people get pleasure out of being cruel and inhumane. :( I sometimes wonder if Wisconsin making reclassifying feral cats as an unprotected species legal would be better for pet cats in Wisconsin in the long run. Because I think some vicious cat haters will try to get their revenge on the proposal being turned down by shooting pet cats.

P.P.S. - I don't think all people who hate cats or don't like cats are bad people. Maybe a very small percentage are. But there is no way to really no. I don't equate someone hating cats to them being a vicious or dangerous person unless they act out that hate with acts of animal cruelty to cats. I want to make that clear.