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CJ07
Apr 10th, 2005, 02:51 AM
:tape: :o

from thedartmouth.com
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Prof. exposes dwindling GOP faculty representationBy Kristen Kelley, The Dartmouth StaffPublished on Thursday, April 7, 2005
http://www.thedartmouth.com/photos/2005/04/07/2005-04-07news4_1sm.jpg (http://www.thedartmouth.com/photo.php?aid=2005040701040&pnum=1)Emma Haberman/The Dartmouth StaffSanta Clara Professor Daniel Klein points out the low numbers of Republican college faculty during lecture Wednesday evening in the Rockefeller Center. Associate Professor of Economics at Santa Clara Daniel Klein pointed out the primacy of Democratic professors at leading Californian universities at a lecture in the Rockefeller Center Wednesday night.

Klein recently published his research on the political ideologies in the realm of academia. In April 2003, the self-proclaimed libertarian, who serves as the director of the Civil Society Institute, conducted two studies to illustrate the liberal leaning of college faculty members.

In the Klein-Western study of voter registration conducted at Berkeley University and Stanford University, Klien studied 1,497 tenure-track professors in 23 departments.

Upon observing the broad groupings of party identification, Klein finds in the study that Democrats compose 352 members of the faculty while Republicans represent 21 only members. Additionally, the largest differences lie in the social sciences department, which Klein says is crucial to understanding sociology and the means of implementing public policy. In the breakdown of the two schools, Berkeley comprises a ratio of 9.9 to 1 party registration and Stanford consists of 7.6 to one.

Klein said the business schools of Berkeley and Stanford have a teacher ratio of Democrats to Republicans of eight to one, contradicting the common assumption that business schools level the imbalance in social sciences and humanities.

"The data suggests that Republican scholars are sorted out of academia," Klein said. "Whether they are screened out by the hiring process or whether they are sorting themselves out by not applying because of an existing assumption that their prospects are low, Republicans are being systematically eradicated from the faculty. Basically, there are no Republicans at the two Harvard Universities of the West."

A second study, which came to a similar conclusion, used data from a survey conducted in April 2003 at six nationwide academic associations: American Anthropology Association, American Economics Association, American Historical Association, American Sociological for Political and Legal Philosophy Association, American Political Science Association, and American Sociological Association.

Within each academic department the survey asked faculty members which political ideology they tend to support. Across the associations, the 828 registered Democrats dwarf the 81 registered Republicans.

Klein admits that his second study suffers from two inherent problems. First, it is possible that Democratic historians are more likely to provide a political ideology in comparison to Republican faculty members, resulting in a response bias in the survey. Second, he hypothesizes that the survey may suffer from membership bias since Democratic historians have a tendency to follow careers in academia more often than Republicans.

"I am not dismissing the possibility that academic growth tends to be geared at a particular personality that reflects a particular political ideology," Klein said. "However, there is no existing evidence that this reasoning supports the rationale that the left dominates the academic sphere."

One criticism of the study is that Democrats disagree with mainstream opinions on issues. Therefore, they can push students to gain a diversity of perspectives. Klein however, presented data, which shows that most policy issues are split evenly along policy lines, which Klein contends disproves the claim of left-wing diversity.

"Defining ideologies will soon sweep all departments, and administration cannot meddle with such internal affairs," Klein said. "When no challengers exist, it is easy to become more comfortable and extreme to the point of vulnerability that incites a motivation to keep out the challengers."

Sam L
Apr 10th, 2005, 06:53 AM
The key is to make sure these statistics do not change in 50 or 100 years' time.

Scotso
Apr 11th, 2005, 03:00 AM
The left does dominate the academic sphere. As with all people, those who are the most educated tend to be the most liberal.

However, in my school, the majority of my professors (at least in history and political science) have been fairly conservative. I can end the fears of conservatives sending their kids to have liberal teachers by saying that I am still a bleeding liberal and radical socialist, even after sitting in classes taught by members of the Christian Coalition.

CJ07
Apr 11th, 2005, 03:56 AM
The left does dominate the academic sphere. As with all people, those who are the most educated tend to be the most liberal.

However, in my school, the majority of my professors (at least in history and political science) have been fairly conservative. I can end the fears of conservatives sending their kids to have liberal teachers by saying that I am still a bleeding liberal and radical socialist, even after sitting in classes taught by members of the Christian Coalition.
actually, its the opposite. The more educated you are, the more likely you are to Vote for George :shrug:

I'll find the stats

CJ07
Apr 11th, 2005, 03:59 AM
(% of total) GOP ShareWhite
No HS (3) 53%
HS Grad (22) 56%
Some College (30) 61%
College Grad (26) 63%
Some Postgrad (20) 54%Black
No HS (7) 2%
HS Grad (25) 4%
Some College (38) 10%
College Grad (22) 16%
Some Postgrad (8) 19%Hispanic
No HS (14) 27%
HS Grad (22) 31%
Some College (35) 35%
College Grad (18) 55%
Some Postgrad (11)40%

UDiTY
Apr 11th, 2005, 04:33 AM
actually, its the opposite. The more educated you are, the more likely you are to Vote for George :shrug:

I'll find the stats

Wrong. I think around the top 10 smartest states were all blue states.

~ The Leopard ~
Apr 11th, 2005, 05:45 AM
^The relationship between education and political views is obviously not simple, though.

Among whites and hispanics, college graduates with no postgrad experience seem to be more likely to vote Republican than those with some postgrad experience. It doesn't work that way with blacks, but only a tiny number voted Republican anyway. I think there might be a separate story with them, since the pattern is quite different from that for whites and hispanics. I don't know enough about American racial issues to take that any further.

Looking at the whites and hispanics, it does appear that people who come from more privileged sorts of backgrounds, and so are likely to have done the "right" (no pun intended) thing and got a college education, are more likely than people from less privileged backgrounds to vote Republican. But once we get to those academically oriented types who actually do some postgrad study, the figures start to turn around again. I bet that the figures for those who have completed a PhD, which is usually required to get a tenured academic job, would show an even more marked drift back away from voting Republican.

This isn't very surprising, is it? The Republican Party gets its support from the business world. Most people from the relevant social classes end up getting some kind of college degree. But the people with very good college degrees, postgrad work, etc, are likely to be less oriented to the business world than "ordinary" graduates. This is especially so with PhDs. So the Democrats get voters at both ends: those too low on the socioeconomic scale to be business oriented, and those who are too academically oriented to be business oriented.

And let's face it: whether it's a good or a bad thing, lots of people who become college professors have deliberately rejected the values of the business world for those of academia.

I used to worry about this a li'l, even though I'm a tiny bit leftie myself, but I don't think that all those Democrat professors are brainwashing their students. Those students are pretty tough ... and they are likely to be exposed to a helluva lot of countervailing middle-class, pro-business ideas from family background, the media, peer groups, etc.

CJ07
Apr 11th, 2005, 06:10 AM
Wrong. I think around the top 10 smartest states were all blue states.
I agree with The Leopard. And quite frankly, I think its good to learn from someone who has different opinions than you (in this context) because it forces you to re-evaluate your opinion with a different perspective.

I used to be a die-hard Democrat, until I was surrounded by Republicans, then I became enlightened :p

oh and what states are you referring to?

Scotso
Apr 11th, 2005, 12:45 PM
SMM, those stats are wrong. People with college degrees do tend Republican, but those with graduate and post-graduate generally lean towards the left.

I notice you left out the "post-grad" for your party's benefit :)

Also note this thread doesn't say that conservative = Republican or liberal = Democrat. I'm a bleeding liberal and far from being a Democrat.

CJ07
Apr 11th, 2005, 01:40 PM
what do you think I did, make them up? :p

And while that is true about conservative not = republican, there is another article pin pointing registered democratic professors against registered republicans, and the stats are even worse :sad:

UDiTY
Apr 11th, 2005, 03:31 PM
I agree with The Leopard. And quite frankly, I think its good to learn from someone who has different opinions than you (in this context) because it forces you to re-evaluate your opinion with a different perspective.

I used to be a die-hard Democrat, until I was surrounded by Republicans, then I became enlightened :p

oh and what states are you referring to?

http://www.washingtondispatch.com/spectrum/archives/000741.html
http://chrisevans3d.com/files/iq.htm
http://bluemassgroup.typepad.com/blue_mass_group/2004/12/almost_as_good.html

:wavey:

Scotso
Apr 12th, 2005, 05:15 AM
http://www.washingtondispatch.com/spectrum/archives/000741.html
http://chrisevans3d.com/files/iq.htm
http://bluemassgroup.typepad.com/blue_mass_group/2004/12/almost_as_good.html

:wavey:

:D

Asmus
Apr 12th, 2005, 06:28 AM
Why aren't there any conservative professors? Because this is the right's idea of "intellectual":

http://www.anncoulter.com (http://www.anncoulter.com/)

THE PURPOSE-DRIVEN LEFT
April 6, 2005
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It's been a tough year for the secularist crowd. There was Mel Gibson's "The Passion of the Christ," the moral values election, the Christian hostage subduing her kidnapper by reading from "The Purpose Driven Life," and the Christian effort to save Terri Schiavo. Not only that, but earlier this year, James Dobson insulted the Democrats' mascot, SpongeBob SquarePants, with impunity.

And now, for all the hullabaloo in the media, you'd think the Pope had died.

The liberal take on Catholicism is that it's a controversial religion because of its positions on abortion, sodomy and various other crucial planks of the Democratic platform (curiously, positions that are shared by all three of the world's major religions).

In defense of the Catholic Church's most "controversial" position (meaning "contrary to the clearly stated opinion of CNN"), I wanted to return to a story from a few weeks ago that passed from the headlines far too quickly. The "controversial" Catholic position is the ban on girl priests.

I'll leave it to the Catholics to explain the theological details, but we have a beautiful pair of bookmarks to the exact same incident illustrating women's special skills and deficits. The escape and capture of Brian Nichols shows women playing roles they should not (escorting dangerous criminals) and women playing roles they do best (making men better people).

Nichols' murderous rampage began when he took the gun from a 5-foot-tall grandmother who was his sole guard at the Fulton County Courthouse. It ended when an otherwise unremarkable 26-year-old woman appealed to the Christian conscience of this same violent killer holding her hostage.

At 2 a.m. one Saturday night, Ashley Smith went out for cigarettes while unpacking her new apartment, yet another victory for tobacco pleasure. Returning from the store, Smith was grabbed by a man at her front door, who put a gun in her side and told her not to scream. He asked if she knew who he was. When he removed his baseball cap, she saw it was Nichols, the dangerous fugitive all over TV who had escaped custody during his rape trial and had killed four people in the previous 48 hours. (Although he also looked a lot like of one the guys on "American Idol.")

In Smith's apartment, Nichols bound Smith's feet and hands and put her in the bathtub. Later, at Smith's request, Nichols allowed her to hop from the bathroom into the bedroom, where she began talking to him.

In short order, Smith was reading aloud to Nichols from the Christian book "The Purpose Driven Life" — in direct violation of his constitutional right to never hear any reference to God, in public or private, for any purpose, ever, ever, ever! For more on this right, go to the "People for the American Way" Web site.

After reading the first paragraph of Chapter 33 aloud, about serving God by serving others, Nichols — the man pundits were calling an "animal" — asked her to read it again.

Nichols listened to the passage again and responded by telling Smith he was already dead, saying, "Look at my eyes." But Smith looked and told him God had a purpose for him, perhaps to minister to other lost souls in prison. Smith read to Nichols some more, both from the "Purpose" book and from another popular book that's been dropped from all news accounts of this incident: the New Testament. (In the Hollywood version, Smith will be reading from the Quran.)

Smith knew all about Nichols' violent depredations from TV. Yet she saw him not as a monster, but as one of God's creatures. Most Christians — most people — have trouble seeing the humanity of people who take our parking spots. Smith could see God's hand in a multiple murderer holding her hostage. By showing him genuine Christian love, Smith turned Nichols from a beast to a brother in Christ. This phenomenon, utterly unknown to liberals, is what's known as a "miracle." Top that, Paul Krugman!

Nichols told Smith she was "an angel sent from God," calling her "his sister" and himself her "brother in Christ." Nichols said he had come to Smith's home for a reason, in Smith's words, that "he was lost and God led him right to me to tell him that he had hurt a lot of people."

This trampling of our Constitution — I mean this conversation — lasted long into the night. They watched Nichols' shooting people on TV. Nichols said he couldn't believe he was that man. In the morning, Smith made Nichols eggs and pancakes for breakfast. Then she walked out of the apartment to pick up her daughter and to call 911. The last thing Nichols said as Smith was leaving was to say hello to her daughter for him. When the police arrived, Nichols surrendered without incident, an utterly transformed human being.

Heaven help the average liberal if this ever happens to him! What would an urban secularist do? Come sit down and let me read to you from Michael Moore's "Stupid White Men." Or maybe he could put a SpongeBob video in the VCR. WE ARE FAM-I-LEEEEE! At least before he killed again, the dangerous fugitive would have warm feelings toward homosexuals.

It's also another example of how our universities are failing students. Today's college coeds would be dead: They know nothing about Jesus Christ and can't cook a good meal.

Smith saved the soul of a man on a killing spree by talking to him about Christianity. But liberals think this won't work with the Muslims? We ought to fly this Ashley Smith to Saudi Arabia. We could just make her a box lunch every day and send her on her way.

Liberals would approve of a nice Christian girl like Smith going to the Middle East only if she went as a Marine or — better! — if she were getting herself run over by a tank while defending a PLO tunnel into the Gaza Strip used by suicide bombers. Sadly for liberals, feminist lunacy doesn't convert and transform, it browbeats and harangues. The only miracle it has ever performed is getting people to listen to Nancy Pelosi.

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