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SpikeyAidanm
Apr 9th, 2005, 02:35 AM
:o wow and Serena had so many match points

SpikeyAidanm
Apr 9th, 2005, 02:36 AM
Serena led 6-3 in the 2nd set TB

Paialii
Apr 9th, 2005, 02:37 AM
:o wow and Serena had so many match points

Anyone know why she retired?

If she's injured, she's going to have a tough time getting ready for the French.

:rolleyes:

Vaidisova
Apr 9th, 2005, 02:37 AM
Serena :rolleyes:

ĪCharlDaĪ
Apr 9th, 2005, 02:38 AM
Strange Strange Strange and even more strange lol

Diesel
Apr 9th, 2005, 02:39 AM
:(

kabuki
Apr 9th, 2005, 02:39 AM
*sigh*

Venus+Serena#1fan
Apr 9th, 2005, 02:39 AM
So wierd. I hope Serena wasn't just lazy and didnt feel like playing anymore. So many wasted opportunities its sick.

And her serve was great at the start of the match and then it turned into crap, i really wonder what happened with her.

GoSandrine
Apr 9th, 2005, 02:40 AM
Great stuff by the old Lady winning two matches against higher seeded and younger players in the same day :worship: ;)

xan
Apr 9th, 2005, 02:40 AM
Shock result.

I can't see Serena retiring at this stage unless she's unwell.

Paialii
Apr 9th, 2005, 02:40 AM
So wierd. I hope Serena wasn't just lazy and didnt feel like playing anymore. So many wasted opportunities its sick.

And her serve was great at the start of the match and then it turned into crap, i really wonder what happened with her.

Exhaustion, maybe?

I'm really getting sick of seeing the word "retired" next to so many of her matches.

Cariaoke
Apr 9th, 2005, 02:40 AM
does anybody know wtf happened?

Oneofakind0490
Apr 9th, 2005, 02:40 AM
Serena go work out. You kept on getting injured. That means you are not fit enough.
Lets see her record this year.
Australian Open: Rib Injury in final
Paris:Flu
Dubai:Arm injury
Miami: Nothing that we know of
Amelia Island: Some sort of injury.

Hantuchov
Apr 9th, 2005, 02:40 AM
Congrats Silvia! :yeah: :worship:

Silvia wasted 40-15 to finish the 1st set off :sad:

I'm glad she didnt give up and still could win, it's sad that Serena had to retire, but Silvia has her credits! :)

GWS Serena

Silvia, c'mon, let's reach the final! :bounce:

Diesel
Apr 9th, 2005, 02:41 AM
Well time to start the weekend off right :wavey:

VeeReeDavJCap81
Apr 9th, 2005, 02:41 AM
Serena nooooooooooo :sad:

Edward.
Apr 9th, 2005, 02:41 AM
:eek:

Paialii
Apr 9th, 2005, 02:42 AM
Great stuff by the old Lady winning two matches against higher seeded and younger players in the same day :worship: ;)

A congrats perhaps for the Snyder win, but the second one was a gift. But I know that a win is a win. :rolleyes: *shrug*

Julia1968
Apr 9th, 2005, 02:43 AM
Shock result.

I can't see Serena retiring at this stage unless she's unwell.


I don't understand what is so shocking about this result. Serena hasn't played well since the Australian Open.

Venus+Serena#1fan
Apr 9th, 2005, 02:43 AM
It really is starting to become ridiculous. Serena and Venus are injured more than a freaking boxer or football player. Serena needs to seriously find some sort of training method that will prevent her injured, whatever she is doing now is obviously not working.

And she needs to remember how to capitalize, it looks like she totally forgot.

cometz9
Apr 9th, 2005, 02:43 AM
Serena :sad:

GoSandrine
Apr 9th, 2005, 02:43 AM
Is it me or does Serena seem to be expending alot of negative energy getting angry with herself? This match wasn't televised but the last few matches I've seen of Serena it looks like she's unhappy. I love Serena but I wish she'd stay positive and not scream so much.

Venus+Serena#1fan
Apr 9th, 2005, 02:44 AM
And its shocking because Serena still has only lost to good players this year, and she played a terrific match earlier today....Then she comes out and is totally wierd, blows a million opportunities, match points....then mysteriously retires.

jan.
Apr 9th, 2005, 02:44 AM
omfg serena is so lazy.

blumaroo
Apr 9th, 2005, 02:45 AM
Who knows what would have happened if the match went on. Serena probably felt fine in the first set and was still pushed to 7-5. This is why I think Serena returning to the top isn't given. THere's always something happening. Good for Elia though. Davenport should really win this title now.

VeeReeDavJCap81
Apr 9th, 2005, 02:45 AM
I'm starting to worry about Serena. 2nd time already this year she has retired from a match injured.

Becool
Apr 9th, 2005, 02:46 AM
I'm speechless.. :crying2: :crying2:......

rated_next
Apr 9th, 2005, 02:46 AM
Silvia has already beaten Venus and Serena this year :eek: :eek:

Now rest up and get ready for tomorrow

AlexB
Apr 9th, 2005, 02:46 AM
maybe its the penn balls that injured her

kabuki
Apr 9th, 2005, 02:46 AM
omfg serena is so lazy.

:retard:

GoSandrine
Apr 9th, 2005, 02:47 AM
A congrats perhaps for the Snyder win, but the second one was a gift. But I know that a win is a win. :rolleyes: *shrug*

Silvia deserves kudos for hanging tough with perhaps the best player in the world and winning the match. It's not her fault Serena didn't show up for the third.

thelittlestelf
Apr 9th, 2005, 02:48 AM
:eek: :sad: WTF!

JohnBoy
Apr 9th, 2005, 02:48 AM
Just the usual dramatic stuff that Serena pulls... I suspect she was just exhausted and expected a very quick match which she didn't get from Sylvia and with the possibility of the semi's at midday the following day it all seemed to much !!!

Wannabeknowitall
Apr 9th, 2005, 02:48 AM
What The Fuck Is Going On? Damn. Serena is fucking up my Fantasy Team.

kabuki
Apr 9th, 2005, 02:49 AM
omfg serena is so lazy.

You sure look nice in red.

Oneofakind0490
Apr 9th, 2005, 02:50 AM
maybe its the penn balls that injured her
If it is the balls. She has to get used to them. No more excuses Serena anymore about the balls. She should practice with the balls they will use at the tournament before she palys there.

Julia1968
Apr 9th, 2005, 02:52 AM
You sure look nice in red.

Touche'

Jan isn't the only person "red faced" right now :eek:

@m@nd@
Apr 9th, 2005, 02:53 AM
:sad:

Paialii
Apr 9th, 2005, 02:55 AM
I say the following as someone who respects and admires Serena Williams. I consider myself a huge fan. Just let me say that before I go on, all right?


Serena Williams will NOT return to the top of women's tennis if she cannot perform outside of the slams. This is, of course, assuming she can even COMPETE in the slams, as she is injured every other week with something new.

Her game is NOTHING what it used to be. I'm beginning to wonder if it's even HER fault at all.

Serena Williams (and Venus) has had the same coaches since she began the sport. The power game worked and probably would have continued to work until she injured her knee and had to have surgery. Now the power game has become a game of chance-- walking the line of errors and winners. It's not often that you see her winners count too far above her errors count. It's not often that you'll see a low error count at all. It's not often that you'll see her playing the quality of tennis that she was playing in, say, 2002. That's because she HASN'T played that quality at ALL. With that said... it's clear that Serena isn't moving forward. She's hit a plateau in her game.

Andy Roddick was I believe somewhere in the ballpark of 10 in the world when the 2003 French Open came around. He lost in the first round. It was here that he finally realized he needed a coaching change. His results were NOT improving. It was a game-based decision. He switched to Brad Gilbert. He then goes on to reach the semis at Wimbledon only to be defeated by the future champion (Federer). He goes on a rampage that summer winning several tournaments and then finally wins the U.S. Open.

Serena needs a new direction, and it makes me wonder just how committed to tennis she is when she doesn't appear to realize this. Obviously venturing out on her own and ditching her parents' coaching wouldn't be an easy thing, but if it's the best thing for her TENNIS GAME, so be it. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if we saw a multi-slam-winning Serena again if we saw a change in coaching or game tactics.

She HAS looked irritated in her matches lately. She HAS had a lack of confidence. Now the question...why? If you ask me, she needs a coach who is willing to take her back to the basics and break down just what it is she is doing wrong. Her serve and forehand are both repulsive. I hit forehands more consistently (and with the same amount of pace... I've been put up against a radar gun) than she does. Her first serve percentages are drastically low, and the technique appears to be off as well. Is she even planning on fixing these small mechanical errors?

My advice for Serena: fix the small problems in your game and you're going to find big results. Whether or not she needs a new coaching change to fix these small problems is something only she can find out, but I'd be more than interested to see it happen. Please, for the sake of the quality of women's tennis... show us that you still have what it takes to be the best.

You ARE Serena Williams.

Play like her.

selesfan
Apr 9th, 2005, 02:56 AM
Is it me or does Serena seem to be expending alot of negative energy getting angry with herself? This match wasn't televised but the last few matches I've seen of Serena it looks like she's unhappy. I love Serena but I wish she'd stay positive and not scream so much.

I agree. Every win seems to be so difficult. I think she needs to focus on her tennis more and do the acting on the off season.

vettipooh
Apr 9th, 2005, 02:56 AM
Total disappointment today. First Vee loses to Lindsay, then Serena retires against SFE. Damn. What the heck is up with them lately.:sad::bigcry:

Wannabeknowitall
Apr 9th, 2005, 02:59 AM
OK. This is getting ridiculous. Second straight retire from Amelia Island quarters. 3rd forfeit in 6 tournis. This is Bartoli-esque.

SerenaSlam
Apr 9th, 2005, 02:59 AM
called the site...serena was treated at 5-4 for an ankel sprian. so she apparently sprained her ankel in the match....i think she w/drew to not cause further injury but expect her at her next tournie.

kabuki
Apr 9th, 2005, 02:59 AM
I am a hag.

I couldn't have said it better myself.

Julia1968
Apr 9th, 2005, 03:03 AM
Please, for the sake of the quality of women's tennis... show us that you still have what it takes to be the best.

If you consider the game of Serena Williams the standard of "quality" in the WTA, then you probably bought that bridge crossing the Atlantic Ocean.

VeeReeDavJCap81
Apr 9th, 2005, 03:04 AM
Ok...ankle is not bad. I mean it can be bad, but definitely not as bad as a knee, shoulder, or abds.

Julia1968
Apr 9th, 2005, 03:04 AM
OK. This is getting ridiculous. Second straight retire from Amelia Island quarters. 3rd forfeit in 6 tournis. This is Bartoli-esque.

Oh, no.

Its Serena copying Venus again.

PaulieM
Apr 9th, 2005, 03:04 AM
oh Serena :( :sad:

selking
Apr 9th, 2005, 03:05 AM
very classy. Unless this is real that sucks cause I had her on my tennis pool team. Ugh whatever, get weel soon I guess. Im sick of injurys

Knizzle
Apr 9th, 2005, 03:05 AM
If you consider the game of Serena Williams the standard of "quality" in the WTA, then you probably bought that bridge crossing the Atlantic Ocean.

Julia, you're tired, you know that??

Julia1968
Apr 9th, 2005, 03:05 AM
Total disappointment today. First Vee loses to Lindsay, then Serena retires against SFE. Damn. What the heck is up with them lately.:sad::bigcry:

:bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Cariaoke
Apr 9th, 2005, 03:06 AM
called the site...serena was treated at 5-4 for an ankel sprian. so she apparently sprained her ankel in the match....i think she w/drew to not cause further injury but expect her at her next tournie.
thank you so much for this info!

I feel better now that the usual fools look like even bigger ones. :bounce: :lol: :tape:

Get well soon, Serena! I love you! :D

Good luck in the semis, Silvia! I know you can make the final! :banana:

Paialii
Apr 9th, 2005, 03:06 AM
If you consider the game of Serena Williams the standard of "quality" in the WTA, then you probably bought that bridge crossing the Atlantic Ocean.

I never said Serena's game was the standard of women's tennis.

If you have the players playing their best tennis, the overall quality in the women's game is up. And although I didn't say her game was the standard, I'm sure there are plenty that feel this way. When she IS at her best, and I mean absolute best, she's damn well near invincible.

icequeen
Apr 9th, 2005, 03:06 AM
Great move Serena to retire from the match. Had you went on and won you would have had to be on the court within 11 hours to play another match. I am glad you have a head on your shoulders.

vettipooh
Apr 9th, 2005, 03:07 AM
called the site...serena was treated at 5-4 for an ankel sprian. so she apparently sprained her ankel in the match....i think she w/drew to not cause further injury but expect her at her next tournie.Thanks for the info, SerenaSlam. Hope its not too bad to prevent her from playing Berlin. Rest that ankle Rena and come back determined. Two tough matches in one day....too much pressure on the feet.

Julia1968
Apr 9th, 2005, 03:09 AM
I never said Serena's game was the standard of women's tennis.

If you have the players playing their best tennis, the overall quality in the women's game is up. And although I didn't say her game was the standard, I'm sure there are plenty that feel this way. When she IS at her best, and I mean absolute best, she's damn well near invincible.

When is the last time Serena played "invincible-like"???

Right now, Kim Clijsters, Linds Davenport and Maria Sharpova are playing the best in the WTA

bmxbandit
Apr 9th, 2005, 03:10 AM
Where are the mods when you need them?

Get well soon Rena. And if Lindsay doesn't win this title, I will end myself.

vettipooh
Apr 9th, 2005, 03:12 AM
:bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Who let the dogs out, woof, woof,woof!! Who let the dogs out, woof,woof, woof!!!!!!

VeeReeDavJCap81
Apr 9th, 2005, 03:14 AM
Maybe I'm late. Is Serena skipping Charleston and playing Berlin. Or is she playing both??? Cause that would be a lot. Miami, Amelia Island, Charleston, Fed Cup, Berlin, Rome, FO all back to back. That would be the busiest spring season Serena's had EVER.

Venus+Serena#1fan
Apr 9th, 2005, 03:14 AM
Last time I can honestly say Serena played TOP tennis was at the 04 wimby QF against Capriati. Since then its all very patchy.

If she does indeed have an ankle sprain, then wise move to retire. But damn, these girls are cursed.

Venus+Serena#1fan
Apr 9th, 2005, 03:15 AM
I think Serena is NOT playing Charleston.

Infiniti2001
Apr 9th, 2005, 03:15 AM
Who let the dogs out, woof, woof,woof!! Who let the dogs out, woof,woof, woof!!!!!!

:eek: You're disrespecting dogs, funny nonetheless :lol:

VeeReeDavJCap81
Apr 9th, 2005, 03:18 AM
Last time I can honestly say Serena played TOP tennis was at the 04 wimby QF against Capriati. Since then its all very patchy.


I honestly think Serena can't get a groove going. Soon as she has a big win, or plays well in a tournament, she'll get injured in the next one. It's so discouraging.

icequeen
Apr 9th, 2005, 03:18 AM
Where are the mods when you need them?

Get well soon Rena. And if Lindsay doesn't win this title, I will end myself.

She will win it it was set up for her to win. In any even I do hope she wins it.

Julia1968
Apr 9th, 2005, 03:18 AM
Who let the dogs out, woof, woof,woof!! Who let the dogs out, woof,woof, woof!!!!!!

Today is a joyous day!!!! Flowers are blooming, spring is here and I had a bowl of wonderful meso soup with tofu.

Enjoy your day!!!! :wavey:

kabuki
Apr 9th, 2005, 03:22 AM
Today is a joyous day!!!! Flowers are blooming, spring is here and I had a bowl of wonderful meso soup with tofu.

Enjoy your day!!!! :wavey:

It's miso dipshit. Not meso as in "me so horny."

Mana
Apr 9th, 2005, 03:24 AM
Well done SFE!

Lemonskin.
Apr 9th, 2005, 03:24 AM
:aparty:

Julia1968
Apr 9th, 2005, 03:24 AM
If she does indeed have an ankle sprain, then wise move to retire. But damn, these girls are cursed.

I don't understand the "curse"????

If you don't put in the time and effort to stay fit, injuries will ensue.

selking
Apr 9th, 2005, 03:26 AM
So sorry if this allready has been said , but how many match points did she have?

Julia1968
Apr 9th, 2005, 03:26 AM
It's miso dipshit. Not meso as in "me so horny."

Okay, spelling lamer.

Have a great day!!!!!! :lol: :lol: :lol: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :kiss:

deja_entendu
Apr 9th, 2005, 03:26 AM
lol @ Silvia's victories over the Williams sisters this year... they were both, um, interesting.

VeeReeDavJCap81
Apr 9th, 2005, 03:27 AM
So sorry if this allready has been said , but how many match points did she have?

3...up 6-3 in the 2nd set tiebreak.

Oneofakind0490
Apr 9th, 2005, 03:27 AM
I don't understand the "curse"????

If you don't put in the time and effort to stay fit, injuries will ensue.
I can't believe I agrre with you but I do. When you are not fit you have a better chance to get injured. I think the sisters are fit but not fit enough. If they try a work harder on fitnees they will not become injured and can get better results.

Wannabeknowitall
Apr 9th, 2005, 03:29 AM
Maybe I'm late. Is Serena skipping Charleston and playing Berlin. Or is she playing both??? Cause that would be a lot. Miami, Amelia Island, Charleston, Fed Cup, Berlin, Rome, FO all back to back. That would be the busiest spring season Serena's had EVER.

We don't know how bad this ankle sprain is. She possibly could miss FED CUP. She's not playing Charleston. She might not be playing Berlin because of her stalker. She'a playing Rome and she'll have a week before French Open. So her spring might not be busy after all.

selking
Apr 9th, 2005, 03:30 AM
3...up 6-3 in the 2nd set tiebreak.

it would have been worse if it was like the 7 that capriati gave up. That sucks for her...

VeeReeDavJCap81
Apr 9th, 2005, 03:31 AM
I don't understand the "curse"????

If you don't put in the time and effort to stay fit, injuries will ensue.

However, some injuries are inevitable. An ankle roll can happen to anyone. Although, I'm glad she injured her ankle rather than her knee or abdomen. Ankle's aren't as tricky to heal and heal faster than other injuries.

Julia1968
Apr 9th, 2005, 03:34 AM
We don't know how bad this ankle sprain is. She possibly could miss FED CUP. She's not playing Charleston. She might not be playing Berlin because of her stalker. She'a playing Rome and she'll have a week before French Open. So her spring might not be busy after all.

Ah, ha. So that's why Zina asked Venus to play Fed Cup last week. Perhaps Serena told Zina last week she wouldn't be available because of an ankle injury she would have at this weeks tournament.

Black helicopters, men in Ninja outfits, CIA. Conspiracy theories abound.

vettipooh
Apr 9th, 2005, 03:34 AM
Today is a joyous day!!!! Flowers are blooming, spring is here and I had a bowl of wonderful meso soup with tofu.

Enjoy your day!!!! :wavey: Glad to know that the sisters are powerful enough to give you a joyous day!! I would think there are other things in your life more cabale of giving you happiness!!! :rolleyes: :wavey:

Julia1968
Apr 9th, 2005, 03:35 AM
However, some injuries are inevitable. An ankle roll can happen to anyone. Although, I'm glad she injured her ankle rather than her knee or abdomen. Ankle's aren't as tricky to heal and heal faster than other injuries.

Ankle, knee and shoulder are the most common for tennis players.

JenFan75
Apr 9th, 2005, 03:36 AM
:bounce: yay for Silvia!

Julia1968
Apr 9th, 2005, 03:36 AM
Glad to know that the sisters are powerful enough to give you a joyous day!! I would think there are other things in your life more cabale of giving you happiness!!! :rolleyes: :wavey:

Its because I get outside and enjoy life. Perhaps you should consider :kiss:

Sharapova's_Boy
Apr 9th, 2005, 03:36 AM
:eek: :eek: :eek:

I wonder what the injury was? :scratch:

Lemonskin.
Apr 9th, 2005, 03:37 AM
Ankle, knee and shoulder are the most common for tennis players.
Thank you for that Julia. You may return to your desk now.

Denise4925
Apr 9th, 2005, 03:38 AM
I say the following as someone who respects and admires Serena Williams. I consider myself a huge fan. Just let me say that before I go on, all right?


Serena Williams will NOT return to the top of women's tennis if she cannot perform outside of the slams. This is, of course, assuming she can even COMPETE in the slams, as she is injured every other week with something new.

Her game is NOTHING what it used to be. I'm beginning to wonder if it's even HER fault at all.

Serena Williams (and Venus) has had the same coaches since she began the sport. The power game worked and probably would have continued to work until she injured her knee and had to have surgery. Now the power game has become a game of chance-- walking the line of errors and winners. It's not often that you see her winners count too far above her errors count. It's not often that you'll see a low error count at all. It's not often that you'll see her playing the quality of tennis that she was playing in, say, 2002. That's because she HASN'T played that quality at ALL. With that said... it's clear that Serena isn't moving forward. She's hit a plateau in her game.

Andy Roddick was I believe somewhere in the ballpark of 10 in the world when the 2003 French Open came around. He lost in the first round. It was here that he finally realized he needed a coaching change. His results were NOT improving. It was a game-based decision. He switched to Brad Gilbert. He then goes on to reach the semis at Wimbledon only to be defeated by the future champion (Federer). He goes on a rampage that summer winning several tournaments and then finally wins the U.S. Open.

Serena needs a new direction, and it makes me wonder just how committed to tennis she is when she doesn't appear to realize this. Obviously venturing out on her own and ditching her parents' coaching wouldn't be an easy thing, but if it's the best thing for her TENNIS GAME, so be it. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if we saw a multi-slam-winning Serena again if we saw a change in coaching or game tactics.

She HAS looked irritated in her matches lately. She HAS had a lack of confidence. Now the question...why? If you ask me, she needs a coach who is willing to take her back to the basics and break down just what it is she is doing wrong. Her serve and forehand are both repulsive. I hit forehands more consistently (and with the same amount of pace... I've been put up against a radar gun) than she does. Her first serve percentages are drastically low, and the technique appears to be off as well. Is she even planning on fixing these small mechanical errors?

My advice for Serena: fix the small problems in your game and you're going to find big results. Whether or not she needs a new coaching change to fix these small problems is something only she can find out, but I'd be more than interested to see it happen. Please, for the sake of the quality of women's tennis... show us that you still have what it takes to be the best.

You ARE Serena Williams.

Play like her.
:worship: :worship: :worship:

Good God!! I give up!!! WTF???!!!! I don't get it. You make a lot of sense Paialii, but I don't believe there's any chance of what you say is going to happen any time soon and it may be too late. :rolleyes: I'm so sick of this shit!!!

Angel_Mars
Apr 9th, 2005, 03:38 AM
In honor of Silvia tonight, I ordered a luscious Italian dessert from a local carry-out place, a dessert called Tiramisu. Wow was that good, and then Silvia won the match.... that was good too!
Yummy! :devil:

Julia1968
Apr 9th, 2005, 03:39 AM
I can't believe I agrre with you but I do. When you are not fit you have a better chance to get injured. I think the sisters are fit but not fit enough. If they try a work harder on fitnees they will not become injured and can get better results.

I don't blame their outside interests, but I do think their time away from the game due to injury in 2003 may have blunted their desire somewhat.

Their results would exponentially increase if they were dedicated to fitness.

Denise4925
Apr 9th, 2005, 03:41 AM
I couldn't have said it better myself.
I had to put her on ignore to keep from calling her a rancid trolling hag anymore. :rolleyes:

Julia1968
Apr 9th, 2005, 03:42 AM
Thank you for that Julia. You may return to your desk now.

You are welcome. I should start a poll for you. However, I saw what happened to a couple of others who did, so I won't do that. Its tacky and you don't deserve that type of attention anyway.

Back to my desk.

Regards,

Julia

Scotso
Apr 9th, 2005, 03:42 AM
Silvia :worship:

Julia1968
Apr 9th, 2005, 03:43 AM
I had to put her on ignore to keep from calling her a rancid trolling hag anymore. :rolleyes:

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Denise4925
Apr 9th, 2005, 03:43 AM
Thanks for the info SerenaSlam. Still :rolleyes: What next?? What a fucked up day for the Royal Court!!! At least we'll get to see their reaction after this terrible day and how they handle this type of stuff on their reality show. The camera crews were there filming today.

Lemonskin.
Apr 9th, 2005, 03:44 AM
I had to put her on ignore to keep from calling her a rancid trolling hag anymore. :rolleyes:
How ya goin' there Denise? Super day, this, innit? :hugs:

Sharapova's_Boy
Apr 9th, 2005, 03:44 AM
Ahh, the ankle.

I hope it's nothing serious. :sad:

VeeReeDavJCap81
Apr 9th, 2005, 03:54 AM
:worship: :worship: :worship:

Good God!! I give up!!! WTF???!!!! I don't get it. You make a lot of sense Paialii, but I don't believe there's any chance of what you say is going to happen any time soon and it may be too late. :rolleyes: I'm so sick of this shit!!!

Yeah, I'm kind of ill of it myself. It's hard to deal with, because we all know (including Serena herself) that she has the game to be the best still. There are tiny things she needs to fix. First, being her fitnes. I'm not saying she has to be a gym rat, but being in good shape could and WOULD help her. Serena's technical game is still pretty good, especially her backhand and first serve. But her 2nd serve, and forehand just need a little tweaking. They're not horrible by any means. The biggest thing that bugs me...is Serena not playing HER game. Sometimes I think she's thinking too much on court. As silly as it sounds. She should forget who's on the other side of the net, and what weapons they have and just play HER game. Her game beats anyone's game when she plays it, and plays it well. Stop this defensive shit...that's Venus' department.

Denise4925
Apr 9th, 2005, 03:59 AM
Yeah, I'm kind of ill of it myself. It's hard to deal with, because we all know (including Serena herself) that she has the game to be the best still. There are tiny things she needs to fix. First, being her fitnes. I'm not saying she has to be a gym rat, but being in good shape could and WOULD help her. Serena's technical game is still pretty good, especially her backhand and first serve. But her 2nd serve, and forehand just need a little tweaking. They're not horrible by any means. The biggest thing that bugs me...is Serena not playing HER game. Sometimes I think she's thinking too much on court. As silly as it sounds. She should forget who's on the other side of the net, and what weapons they have and just play HER game. Her game beats anyone's game when she plays it, and plays it well. Stop this defensive shit...that's Venus' department.
Yes, what you say is true. But, it's like they get on a roll and then boom, it's over. I don't understand it. Like Vee today, she was on a roll with Lindsay. Just outplaying her in the first set. One sloppy game in the second set and it was over. Then we have Serena and unluckily, she sprains her ankle. They can't catch a break. It's like some evil spell has been cast upon them.

Infiniti2001
Apr 9th, 2005, 04:08 AM
In honor of Silvia tonight, I ordered a luscious Italian dessert from a local carry-out place, a dessert called Tiramisu. Wow was that good, and then Silvia won the match.... that was good too!
Yummy! :devil:


zostar , your hatred for Serena is so over-the-top. I'll bet my last vcash that you don't know Silvia the player, so to claim that you are celebrating her winning a match by DEFAULT is very revealing :rolleyes: :tape:

P.S.You'd definitely have to be an ass to celebrate a default :lol:

Julia1968
Apr 9th, 2005, 04:09 AM
Yes, what you say is true. But, it's like they get on a roll and then boom, it's over. I don't understand it. Like Vee today, she was on a roll with Lindsay. Just outplaying her in the first set. One sloppy game in the second set and it was over. Then we have Serena and unluckily, she sprains her ankle. They can't catch a break. It's like some evil spell has been cast upon them.

Deja vous!

Australian Open final. Davenport, dominating the first set, one sloppy game in the second set and it was over.

The game of tennis is fickle.

Denise4925
Apr 9th, 2005, 04:16 AM
zostar , your hatred for Serena is so over-the-top. I'll bet my last vcash that you don't know Silvia the player, so to claim that you are celebrating her winning a match by DEFAULT is very revealing :rolleyes: :tape:

P.S.You'd definitely have to be an ass to celebrate a default :lol:
All those spewing the BS in here are trolls and not real fans of anyone. Who would have them, seriously. The Molik fans disassociate themselves with Levo, Julia is just a bandwagon jumping/Williams hating troll and the rest are just common trolls who are really not associated with any fan group.

Veritas
Apr 9th, 2005, 04:20 AM
Serena should have won that tiebreak and hence the match!!! :( :sad:

SelesFan70
Apr 9th, 2005, 04:20 AM
:o

yukon145
Apr 9th, 2005, 04:22 AM
its stuipd to discredit Silvia from a hard earned win. she had set points in the first and Serena fought back and won the set. Siliva had a 3-0 lead in the second and Serena fought back. Serena then fell and twisted her ankle, its not like Silvia pushed her over. Serena then had match points and Silvia was able to fight those off, so give Silvia some credit for a nice hard earned win.

Denise4925
Apr 9th, 2005, 04:24 AM
its stuipd to discredit Silvia from a hard earned win. she had set points in the first and Serena fought back and won the set. Siliva had a 3-0 lead in the second and Serena fought back. Serena then fell and twisted her ankle, its not like Silvia pushed her over. Serena then had match points and Silvia was able to fight those off, so give Silvia some credit for a nice hard earned win.
Silvia had a good match, but the fact remains is that Serena retired and we don't know what the outcome would have been had Serena not had the bad luck of twisting her ankle. Those are the facts. BTW, were you lucky enough to see the match. You talk as if you did see it?

Infiniti2001
Apr 9th, 2005, 04:25 AM
All those spewing the BS in here are trolls and not real fans of anyone. Who would have them, seriously. The Molik fans disassociate themselves with Levo, Julia is just a bandwagon jumping/Williams hating troll and the rest are just common trolls who are really not associated with any fan group.

Checkout my name :lol: I've been around these parts long enough to know the trolls.

Denise4925
Apr 9th, 2005, 04:26 AM
Checkout my name :lol: I've been around these parts long enough to know the trolls.
:lol:

ceiling_fan
Apr 9th, 2005, 04:27 AM
ahh oh no serena!!! :sad:

yukon145
Apr 9th, 2005, 04:29 AM
Silvia had a good match, but the fact remains is that Serena retired and we don't know what the outcome would have been had Serena not had the bad luck of twisting her ankle. Those are the facts. BTW, were you lucky enough to see the match. You talk as if you did see it?

its true we dont know what would have happened in the 3rd, its anyones match then. thats why its hard to discredit Silvia for the win. if Serena was up a set and 5-0 or even like 3-0 its probally another story; but they were at 1 set all so... no i just followed the match on the website, i wish i could have seen it. i love watching all clay court matches, the sound is great too!

Jeleno Benesovo
Apr 9th, 2005, 04:57 AM
Silvia :yippee: thank you for keep fighting so hard!!! hope you could reach the final :banana:

New
Apr 9th, 2005, 05:11 AM
I hope Serena gets well, but glad that Silvia is through!

SelesFan70
Apr 9th, 2005, 05:16 AM
I wonder if Zina Garrison has called Serena yet? :( Good thing Venus signed up to play...I guess. :scared:..although Venus has an impeccable Fed Cup record. Davenport/V. Williams in singles is nothing to sneeze at! :worship:

Greenout
Apr 9th, 2005, 05:17 AM
Is it me or does Serena seem to be expending alot of negative energy getting angry with herself? This match wasn't televised but the last few matches I've seen of Serena it looks like she's unhappy. I love Serena but I wish she'd stay positive and not scream so much.

I don't think this is really negative as some people think. I read
alot of articles with Carlos R (justine's coach) and he says it's
really, really hard for great players to see themselves losing
games in matches. It's the whole ego/greatness/perfectionist
thing that makes them such outstanding tennis players; but
sometimes it goes against them, and they can't figure out
what's going on. They end up blaming themselves, thus the
outward fustration- which in turns motivates the opponent
across the net.

When there's emotion or anger; this is considered good.
If there's no reaction and simply empty playing. Well..now
you have a problem!

Mateo Mathieu
Apr 9th, 2005, 05:29 AM
Silvia! :worship:

G1Player2
Apr 9th, 2005, 05:32 AM
I don't blame their outside interests, but I do think their time away from the game due to injury in 2003 may have blunted their desire somewhat.

Their results would exponentially increase if they were dedicated to fitness.


Austrailian Open 2005...
:wavey:

vogus
Apr 9th, 2005, 05:34 AM
I don't think this is really negative as some people think. I read
alot of articles with Carlos R (justine's coach) and he says it's
really, really hard for great players to see themselves losing
games in matches. It's the whole ego/greatness/perfectionist
thing that makes them such outstanding tennis players; but
sometimes it goes against them, and they can't figure out
what's going on. They end up blaming themselves, thus the
outward fustration- which in turns motivates the opponent
across the net.


Blaming the "ego/greatness/perfectionist" psychology is an over-simplification in my opinion. I wouldn't necessarily agree either that it is always this kind of psychology that makes great tennis players. In Serena's case i think she is successful IN SPITE OF her psyche - because she has such a primal instinct to go for the kill. That to me is what has made her one of the greatest players ever - not her supposed "perfectionism", whatever that means. Serena is not an intellectual or an artist at heart, she is a thug, and i would say the same about Seles when she was at her best, the way she would just blow people away so ruthlessly.

G1Player2
Apr 9th, 2005, 05:35 AM
zostar , your hatred for Serena is so over-the-top. I'll bet my last vcash that you don't know Silvia the player, so to claim that you are celebrating her winning a match by DEFAULT is very revealing :rolleyes: :tape:

P.S.You'd definitely have to be an ass to celebrate a default :lol:

Infiniti, it's Oe1968...NOT Zostar!!!

selyoink
Apr 9th, 2005, 05:38 AM
I'm happy for Farina Elia and not surprised that Serena is hurt again. She always seems to go down with an injury. This means that either Razzano or Farina Elia will be in the finals of a tier 2. Probably means we will have a lopsided final if either Petrova or Davenport play up to their potential.

Greenout
Apr 9th, 2005, 05:41 AM
Blaming the "ego/greatness/perfectionist" psychology is an over-simplification in my opinion. I wouldn't necessarily agree either that it is always this kind of psychology that makes great tennis players. In Serena's case i think she is successful IN SPITE OF her psyche - because she has such a primal instinct to go for the kill. That to me is what has made her one of the greatest players ever - not her supposed "perfectionism", whatever that means. Serena is not an intellectual or an artist at heart, she is a thug, and i would say the same about Seles when she was at her best, the way she would just blow people away so ruthlessly.

Aha! That's where she's smart, Serena has led you to believe she
doesn't think and just doing it off pure gut instinct to kill.
If she wasn't considering the points, I hardly doubt she be
pissed off not getting break points backs quicker. It's a fake
out that she isn't minding the store.

Angel_Mars
Apr 9th, 2005, 05:57 AM
zostar , your hatred for Serena is so over-the-top. I'll bet my last vcash that you don't know Silvia the player, so to claim that you are celebrating her winning a match by DEFAULT is very revealing :rolleyes: :tape:

P.S.You'd definitely have to be an ass to celebrate a default :lol:

Gosh you are sure full of sour grapes....... you have a problem with somebody enjoying a great dessert and being glad a low ranked player gets to be in a semi-final? You need to lighten up!
:rolleyes:

Angel_Mars
Apr 9th, 2005, 06:00 AM
Infiniti, it's Oe1968...NOT Zostar!!!

Huh? :rolleyes:

Slumpsova
Apr 9th, 2005, 06:11 AM
retired again :rolleyes:

even i love Serena, i must say i'm sick of it. it seems that Rena has the most retiring match than anyone in WTA ever!!! :o

G1Player2
Apr 9th, 2005, 06:16 AM
When is the last time Serena played "invincible-like"???

Right now, Kim Clijsters, Linds Davenport and Maria Sharpova are playing the best in the WTA

Doesn't seem like they're playing the best to me...Especially considering the fact that neither of them have won the biggest tournament of the year so far and the person who WON that title beat them both in route to it...
:lol: :lol: :lol:

jojoseph
Apr 9th, 2005, 06:16 AM
Ya, sounds a bit like a motivation problem.

Infiniti2001
Apr 9th, 2005, 06:29 AM
Gosh you are sure full of sour grapes....... you have a problem with somebody enjoying a great dessert and being glad a low ranked player gets to be in a semi-final? You need to lighten up!
:rolleyes:

Take a good look in the mirror .. you are the poster child for someone who is loaded with sour grapes :rolleyes:

SilviaFan
Apr 9th, 2005, 06:30 AM
~ SILVIA FARINA ELIA ~ :bounce:
_____________________
:bounce: ~ SILVIA FARINA ELIA ~ :worship:



:woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo:


GOOD LUCK IN THE SEMIS :hug:

RVD
Apr 9th, 2005, 06:38 AM
called the site...serena was treated at 5-4 for an ankel sprian. so she apparently sprained her ankel in the match....i think she w/drew to not cause further injury but expect her at her next tournie.Thank you SerenaSlam for a shot of reality and fact within a sea of supposition and worthless opinions.
To all of the Serena supporters, I see this as a simple case of 'misfortune'. In truth, we will have to wait and see how this pans out. Still, I am optimistic. Serena always bounces back.

And to all of the haters here...
Don't you people ever get tired of making spiteful posts about players you don't even care about. Especially Julia. All playing aside, you seem to have some serious problems. I mean really, you seem sick. Are you in therapy? If you aren't maybe you should really consider some.

Anyway, congrats to Silvia on her win. A win is a win however one may view it. :wavey:

Angel_Mars
Apr 9th, 2005, 06:39 AM
Take a good look in the mirror .. you are the poster child for someone who is loaded with sour grapes :rolleyes:


:wavey: I think you act like you have bitten into a rotten apple with a worm in it or something...... you should calm down, and what is your complaint with me anyway............ some people take their player's loss too hard.......... they go like this: :fiery:

Cris Senior
Apr 9th, 2005, 06:59 AM
Very good analysis by Paialii.However those problems about her serve and forehand are not little given her tennis age.Other players have ,of course,noticed her weak points and exploit them.At herage ,it'd take tremendous will and commitment to change but all she shows, is that she thinks of herself narcissistically as a "film star".
Be ready to say good bye to Serena as a top tener.
Cris

Stamp Paid
Apr 9th, 2005, 07:05 AM
I don't know what you all are stressing about : Rolling over and spraining your ankle on a clay court is not a sign of lack of fitness, it is a sign of bad luck and not the best footwork. Ankle rollovers happen to the best of them - yes, this is unfortunate, but it will be fine. I know my baby will be fine, she is just dissapointed for sure now. :kiss:

Red clay is a better preparation for the main goal, Roland Garros, anyway. Serena has spoiled her fans SO much: every other player's fan is hoping their favorite can win 1 slam this year - we want Serena to win 3. She is fine. :hearts:

silverwhite
Apr 9th, 2005, 07:07 AM
Serena :help:

Just what is happening to the champions (that obviously includes a certain OAF) of the AO? :o

Darop.
Apr 9th, 2005, 07:07 AM
Silvia :woohoo:

I'll pretend that you actually won ;)


:woohoo:

RVD
Apr 9th, 2005, 07:11 AM
I don't know what you all are stressing about : Rolling over and spraining your ankle on a clay court is not a sign of lack of fitness, it is a sign of bad luck and not the best footwork. Ankle rollovers happen to the best of them - yes, this is unfortunate, but it will be fine. I know my baby will be fine, she is just dissapointed for sure now. :kiss:

Red clay is a better preparation for the main goal, Roland Garros, anyway. Serena has spoiled her fans SO much: every other player's fan is hoping their favorite can win 1 slam this year - we want Serena to win 3. She is fine. :hearts:EXACTLY!! The girl just won a damn slam, and look at how many fair-weather fans are darn near jumping ship, or down her throat. :rolleyes: Winning tournament in and tournament out isn't !@$*% easy!! I can understand the haters being what they are. They have no life. And this gives them validity. But to have Rena fans slamming her is F*!&ked. :fiery:

CooCooCachoo
Apr 9th, 2005, 07:16 AM
It's an awesome score for Silvia, even though Serena retired. Very well done.

Slumpsova
Apr 9th, 2005, 07:41 AM
Since the last 5 years she retired 3 times...

but including the walk-overs :rolleyes:

Lemonskin.
Apr 9th, 2005, 08:22 AM
You are welcome. I should start a poll for you. However, I saw what happened to a couple of others who did, so I won't do that. Its tacky and you don't deserve that type of attention anyway.

Back to my desk.

Regards,

Julia
Awww, make a poll for me! I want one :p

HectorMagnus
Apr 9th, 2005, 08:24 AM
Silvia :yeah: congrats sweet lady :banana:

per4ever
Apr 9th, 2005, 08:55 AM
wow :eek: Not bad!

GoDominique
Apr 9th, 2005, 09:02 AM
IMO the Australian Open victory gives a wrong impression of Serena's current form.

Yeah, she played well at times there and she deserved to win the title, but there were some circumstances involved which you could call lucky. For example Maria's serve being just wide on match-point, and of course Lindsay having no desire to fight and win in the final.
In both matches Serena showed amazing fighting spirit and some good games but the rest was a struggle and pretty average.

At the moment she's not in GS-winning form, as ironic as it sounds. There's no way she could win 7 rounds on clay with her current play, especially with the Belgians being back.
On grass - she would probably slip every second point.

Again, she deserves the AO title but right now I don't see it as an indication for her to get back to the form she once had.

Alan
Apr 9th, 2005, 10:47 AM
it's aways difficult to see top players get injured, regardless if they're your fave or not

Chunchun
Apr 9th, 2005, 11:55 AM
injury again ? :shrug: Serena :(

but congrats Silvia :banana: i can't believe ! :woohoo:

Billy Moonshine
Apr 9th, 2005, 11:59 AM
I think Serena gets injured too often.
Is she doing something wrong?
Does she need to change how she trains?
It canīt be good for her that every few months there is another injury.

jonny84
Apr 9th, 2005, 12:00 PM
Hope Serena recovers from her ankle injury - hopefully it wont put her out for long. It seems that as one top player comes back another one gets injured. :fiery:

Well done Silvia for getting to the semis - two good wins in one day. Well done :bigclap:

Farina Elia Fan
Apr 9th, 2005, 12:39 PM
I am so proud of my silvia :) :) :)

tennislover
Apr 9th, 2005, 12:48 PM
:bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

go Silvia!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

gmak
Apr 9th, 2005, 01:01 PM
Silvia :D :) :kiss: great fighting out there , now you have to win
you beat Razzano in Paris, you can do it again! :wavey:

get well soon Serena...

icequeen
Apr 9th, 2005, 01:04 PM
I think Serena gets injured too often.
Is she doing something wrong?
Does she need to change how she trains?
It canīt be good for her that every few months there is another injury.


Why is it that when a williams get injured people always talk bull about their training regiment..you people act as though they are the only players who get injured..look at Amelie, mary, jen, dementiava, myskina and many others give me a damn break.

bandabou
Apr 9th, 2005, 01:04 PM
IMO the Australian Open victory gives a wrong impression of Serena's current form.

Yeah, she played well at times there and she deserved to win the title, but there were some circumstances involved which you could call lucky. For example Maria's serve being just wide on match-point, and of course Lindsay having no desire to fight and win in the final.
In both matches Serena showed amazing fighting spirit and some good games but the rest was a struggle and pretty average.

At the moment she's not in GS-winning form, as ironic as it sounds. There's no way she could win 7 rounds on clay with her current play, especially with the Belgians being back.
On grass - she would probably slip every second point.

Again, she deserves the AO title but right now I don't see it as an indication for her to get back to the form she once had.

Of course you don't win majors without some luck....but you still have to MAKE your luck....Lindsay could fight against Jankovic...why couldn't she against Serena?

Her game is still not what it used to be.....but really is there a better big match player than Serena? Even during the australian open her form wasn't all that, yet who won?

DevilishAttitude
Apr 9th, 2005, 02:12 PM
Silvia :worship: :hearts: :eek: Another win against a Williams sister :D Really should have in 2 though since you had set-points in the 1st but it wouldn't be right for you not to choke in a big match :rolleyes: ;)

Serena :haha: :tape: Injured again :help: Outlasted by a 32 year old who played around more today than she did. Her fitness is a joke :o

Julia1968
Apr 9th, 2005, 02:23 PM
Why is it that when a williams get injured people always talk bull about their training regiment..you people act as though they are the only players who get injured..look at Amelie, mary, jen, dementiava, myskina and many others give me a damn break.

Yeah, but Kim C. came back to win back-to-back Tier I's.

Julia1968
Apr 9th, 2005, 02:26 PM
All those spewing the BS in here are trolls and not real fans of anyone. Who would have them, seriously. The Molik fans disassociate themselves with Levo, Julia is just a bandwagon jumping/Williams hating troll and the rest are just common trolls who are really not associated with any fan group.


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Oh, Denise. We feel your pain. Oh, and we all remember your behaviors when Maria loses. PKB.

Farina Elia Fan
Apr 9th, 2005, 03:05 PM
I thought Serena was very gracious in what she said on wtatour.com

"I think Silvia played the best I've ever seen. It's a shame that it had to be like that, but I'll be ready for the next time we play. I hope to play her again."

SJW
Apr 9th, 2005, 03:07 PM
I thought Serena was very gracious in what she said on wtatour.com

"I think Silvia played the best I've ever seen. It's a shame that it had to be like that, but I'll be ready for the next time we play. I hope to play her again."

regardless of what people think, Serena is a really nice person and only has kind words to say when asked about her opponents. :)

Darop.
Apr 9th, 2005, 03:09 PM
Serena so garcious in defeat :hug:

I love Serena, but every time she plays against Silvia, i'll have to go for Silvia :p

Vut
Apr 9th, 2005, 03:09 PM
:sad: Serena

mykarma
Apr 9th, 2005, 03:15 PM
I had to put her on ignore to keep from calling her a rancid trolling hag anymore. :rolleyes:Whenever I try an give you a rep. the system won't let me. So here ya go.

mykarma
Apr 9th, 2005, 03:23 PM
Thank you SerenaSlam for a shot of reality and fact within a sea of supposition and worthless opinions.
To all of the Serena supporters, I see this as a simple case of 'misfortune'. In truth, we will have to wait and see how this pans out. Still, I am optimistic. Serena always bounces back.

And to all of the haters here...
Don't you people ever get tired of making spiteful posts about players you don't even care about. Especially Julia. All playing aside, you seem to have some serious problems. I mean really, you seem sick. Are you in therapy? If you aren't maybe you should really consider some.

Anyway, congrats to Silvia on her win. A win is a win however one may view it. :wavey::worship: :worship: :worship: :worship: :worship:

Experimentee
Apr 9th, 2005, 03:24 PM
Serena must have been seriously injured to give up a match when its so close. Usually she fights to the end, even when shes being completely thrashed.
Any news on what the injury is?

Farina Elia Fan
Apr 9th, 2005, 03:24 PM
Will Silvia get any bonus points for beating Serena or just ranking points for reaching the semis?

mykarma
Apr 9th, 2005, 03:28 PM
EXACTLY!! The girl just won a damn slam, and look at how many fair-weather fans are darn near jumping ship, or down her throat. :rolleyes: Winning tournament in and tournament out isn't !@$*% easy!! I can understand the haters being what they are. They have no life. And this gives them validity. But to have Rena fans slamming her is F*!&ked. :fiery::worship: :worship: :worship: :worship: :worship:

Experimentee
Apr 9th, 2005, 03:29 PM
You people going on about her lack of form are pathetic. She had match points for a straight sets win against SFE, and probably would have won if not for the injury.
That isnt a lack of form, just bad luck. Worry about the players who are losing without being injured. And you need help if you think Serena would ever give up a match like this without being injured.

mykarma
Apr 9th, 2005, 03:31 PM
Silvia :worship: :hearts: :eek: Another win against a Williams sister :D Really should have in 2 though since you had set-points in the 1st but it wouldn't be right for you not to choke in a big match :rolleyes: ;)

Serena :haha: :tape: Injured again :help: Outlasted by a 32 year old who played around more today than she did. Her fitness is a joke :oLaughing at an injuried player is classless. :tape:

RenaSlam.
Apr 9th, 2005, 03:36 PM
Deja vous!

Australian Open final. Davenport, dominating the first set, one sloppy game in the second set and it was over.

The game of tennis is fickle.

Bet you were slitting your wrists after the AO final, huh Jules? :lol:

icequeen
Apr 9th, 2005, 03:45 PM
Yeah, but Kim C. came back to win back-to-back Tier I's.

There's no way in hell you can compare kim's injury to V&S's Kim was still able to hit and do work out and run, with a knee injury where the hell are you going to run to and a pull stomach strain where you have to be on your back for most of the time....there's know comparison. The same thing with Lin's knee surgery for almost 3yrs she was not playing well upon her return only recently did lin start her run....so don't compare those injuries. You are comparing apples and oranges. Let's see if kim can win a slam this year.

Julia1968
Apr 9th, 2005, 03:47 PM
Bet you were slitting your wrists after the AO final, huh Jules? :lol:

Nope, just look at the bleeding jags around here. :wavey:

starr
Apr 9th, 2005, 03:56 PM
There's no way in hell you can compare kim's injury to V&S's Kim was still able to hit and do work out and run, with a knee injury where the hell are you going to run to and a pull stomach strain where you have to be on your back for most of the time....there's know comparison. The same thing with Lin's knee surgery for almost 3yrs she was not playing well upon her return only recently did lin start her run....so don't compare those injuries. You are comparing apples and oranges. Let's see if kim can win a slam this year.

Can we put this canard to rest for once and for all? Kim was NOT able to work out and run and hit. She was strictly forbidden to run after her surgery. She didn't even pick up a racket until January, and then she had to learn a new motion for her backhand so she would not reinjure her wrist. Kim said the only thing she could do was ride a stationary bicycle.

Also you can't compare Lindsay's surgery with Serena's. Serena had arthroscopic surgery which is out patient surgery and has a quick recovery time. You can ride a stationary bike within a short time after that surgery. Also an American woman won the Olympic marathon only a few months after having arthroscopic surgery on her knee. Lindsay's surgery was much more complex and required hospitalization.

Lindsay actually started playing very very well last year. That's what you may have meant by recently.

Infiniti2001
Apr 9th, 2005, 04:39 PM
Laughing at an injuried player is classless. :tape:

Let's just all hope that all those rejoicing over this player's injury don't get their draws twisted in a bunch when others do the same to their favourites. :rolleyes:

mykarma
Apr 10th, 2005, 12:40 AM
Let's just all hope that all those rejoicing over this player's injury don't get their draws twisted in a bunch when others do the same to their favourites. :rolleyes: You know they'll be the first one's crying about how mean the Williams fan's are. One things for sure, they won't have to worry about me saying anything that insensitive. I want my favs to win on the score board, not from their competitor getting injuried.

Yonexforever
Apr 10th, 2005, 12:48 AM
Serena is clearly not in the kind of condition she needs to be in to compete week in and week out.
She needs to own up to that fact and put in the work off the court and the on court stuff will come back!

icequeen
Apr 10th, 2005, 01:06 AM
Can we put this canard to rest for once and for all? Kim was NOT able to work out and run and hit. She was strictly forbidden to run after her surgery. She didn't even pick up a racket until January, and then she had to learn a new motion for her backhand so she would not reinjure her wrist. Kim said the only thing she could do was ride a stationary bicycle.

Also you can't compare Lindsay's surgery with Serena's. Serena had arthroscopic surgery which is out patient surgery and has a quick recovery time. You can ride a stationary bike within a short time after that surgery. Also an American woman won the Olympic marathon only a few months after having arthroscopic surgery on her knee. Lindsay's surgery was much more complex and required hospitalization.

Lindsay actually started playing very very well last year. That's what you may have meant by recently.


Well somebody lied because I read where kim said she was still able to workout.

CoryAnnAvants#1
Apr 10th, 2005, 02:12 AM
Serena is clearly not in the kind of condition she needs to be in to compete week in and week out.


She's not even competing week in and week out. She hasn't played two consecutive weeks minus the AO, which is obviously a 2 week tournament. She's only played five tournaments this year. That's not a lot. I would imagine almost everybody on this board could play five tournaments over the course of 3 1/2 months and be completely healthy after the fact. Rena on the other hand has retired from two of them, withdrew midway from one of them, and then was injured in the AO final and almost didn't finish. So 4 out of the 5 events she entered this year she's been injured at some stage, and in three of them the injury was so bad she had to quit.

As a Serena fan, I have to wonder what the hell she could possibly be doing to be so injury prone. It's not even the same injuries. She's had rib, shoulder, knee, stomach and ankle problems...and that's just since November! While this twisted ankle is more of a fluke thing and really not her fault, you have to wonder what she's paying her trainer hundreds of thousands of dollars to do, when obviously her methods aren't doing shit to keep Serena healthy.

Denise4925
Apr 10th, 2005, 04:29 AM
EXACTLY!! The girl just won a damn slam, and look at how many fair-weather fans are darn near jumping ship, or down her throat. :rolleyes: Winning tournament in and tournament out isn't !@$*% easy!! I can understand the haters being what they are. They have no life. And this gives them validity. But to have Rena fans slamming her is F*!&ked. :fiery:
Alot of that is just frustration yesterday, babe. I have to include myself in slamming her, but you know I'll always defend her. ;)

Denise4925
Apr 10th, 2005, 04:30 AM
Silvia :woohoo:

I'll pretend that you actually won ;)


:woohoo:
:yeah: :lol:

Denise4925
Apr 10th, 2005, 04:40 AM
Can we put this canard to rest for once and for all? Kim was NOT able to work out and run and hit. She was strictly forbidden to run after her surgery. She didn't even pick up a racket until January, and then she had to learn a new motion for her backhand so she would not reinjure her wrist. Kim said the only thing she could do was ride a stationary bicycle.

Also you can't compare Lindsay's surgery with Serena's. Serena had arthroscopic surgery which is out patient surgery and has a quick recovery time. You can ride a stationary bike within a short time after that surgery. Also an American woman won the Olympic marathon only a few months after having arthroscopic surgery on her knee. Lindsay's surgery was much more complex and required hospitalization.

Lindsay actually started playing very very well last year. That's what you may have meant by recently.
Wrong!!! Kim said herself that she was able to work out and run and do all the things to train and that she could do everything but hit a backhand, but she couldn't hit a backhand until January. :rolleyes: Serena waited a long time and played injured on that knee for a long time before she had the surgery. It was more complicated because of this, and then when she did come back to play, she came back too soon and reinjured the knee.

Denise4925
Apr 10th, 2005, 04:40 AM
Let's just all hope that all those rejoicing over this player's injury don't get their draws twisted in a bunch when others do the same to their favourites. :rolleyes:
Devillish is a child, so consider the source. He just got off his mama's tit.

harloo
Apr 10th, 2005, 04:56 AM
When Serena really wants to win something she will win it. I think she is doing "her" right now and that may not be 100% tennis like it was in 2002. However she still won the AO and that's because she really wanted that title. I think that Bud comment got her hot under the collar, and she did not want to lose it.

The haters better hope and pray that Serena does not dedicate 100% to tennis again or their favorites will be beaten regularly. :lol:

MrYonex
Apr 10th, 2005, 04:57 AM
Wow, whats wrong with Serena?

Denise4925
Apr 10th, 2005, 05:16 AM
When Serena really wants to win something she will win it. I think she is doing "her" right now and that may not be 100% tennis like it was in 2002. However she still won the AO and that's because she really wanted that title. I think that Bud comment got her hot under the collar, and she did not want to lose it.

The haters better hope and pray that Serena does not dedicate 100% to tennis again or their favorites will be beaten regularly. :lol:
:lol: Why is Vee and Rena muddy in your avatar? :p

ys
Apr 10th, 2005, 05:21 AM
Serena is clearly not in the kind of condition she needs to be in to compete week in and week out.
She needs to own up to that fact and put in the work off the court and the on court stuff will come back!

It is not even a condition. It is clay. I've been saying it for few years already. Any good clay player wants to trouble Serena on clay? Hit behind her. Target her ankles. Make her turn around sudden and quick. She is used to do that on hard. But on clay it is not going to work. Not the same kind of grip. Hit behind her, and with her weight her ankles and lower leg ligaments will be in trouble. Inevitably. That's what Farina-Elia did.

Denise4925
Apr 10th, 2005, 05:23 AM
It is not even a condition. It is clay. I've been saying it for few years already. Any good clay player wants to trouble Serena on clay? Hit behind her. Target her ankles. Make her turn around sudden and quick. She is used to do that on hard. But on clay it is not going to work. Not the same kind of grip. Hit behind her, and with her weight her ankles and lower leg ligaments will be in trouble. Inevitably. That's what Farina-Elia did.
Did you see the match Liar/Fantisizer?

starr
Apr 10th, 2005, 05:26 AM
Well somebody lied because I read where kim said she was still able to workout.

If you read her interviews at Miami, you'll see that she did work out, but only on the stationary bike. She couldnt' risk jolting the wrist in anyway.

She talked about it at length.

This story that Kim was able to work out has been repeated so often on this board that it is now taken as gospel.

RVD
Apr 10th, 2005, 05:26 AM
She's not even competing week in and week out. She hasn't played two consecutive weeks minus the AO, which is obviously a 2 week tournament. She's only played five tournaments this year. That's not a lot. I would imagine almost everybody on this board could play five tournaments over the course of 3 1/2 months and be completely healthy after the fact. Rena on the other hand has retired from two of them, withdrew midway from one of them, and then was injured in the AO final and almost didn't finish. So 4 out of the 5 events she entered this year she's been injured at some stage, and in three of them the injury was so bad she had to quit.I can understand your frustration, but...SHE WON. :shrug: And this is what I mean about some fans. She wins the slam, but she still loses where even some of her fans are concerned. :confused:

As a Serena fan, I have to wonder what the hell she could possibly be doing to be so injury prone. It's not even the same injuries. She's had rib, shoulder, knee, stomach and ankle problems...and that's just since November! While this twisted ankle is more of a fluke thing and really not her fault, you have to wonder what she's paying her trainer hundreds of thousands of dollars to do, when obviously her methods aren't doing shit to keep Serena healthy.Are you sure you are? I mean your words suggest otherwise.
For most fans, one slam a year is great!!

RVD
Apr 10th, 2005, 05:27 AM
Alot of that is just frustration yesterday, babe. I have to include myself in slamming her, but you know I'll always defend her. ;)I know you are a true blue fan Denise. You prove it 99.9% of the time you post. ;) :kiss:

starr
Apr 10th, 2005, 05:28 AM
Wrong!!! Kim said herself that she was able to work out and run and do all the things to train and that she could do everything but hit a backhand, but she couldn't hit a backhand until January. :rolleyes: Serena waited a long time and played injured on that knee for a long time before she had the surgery. It was more complicated because of this, and then when she did come back to play, she came back too soon and reinjured the knee.

No, you are wrong. Kim may have said that before her second surgery. I don't know. I didnt' see it. I'd be interested in knowing your source for that comment. But in her interview at Miami, she clearly said that after her surgery she could not even run and didn't pick up a racket until January. The entire interview was posted in General Messages, and I'm sure it is still up at the Miami site.

RVD
Apr 10th, 2005, 05:32 AM
When Serena really wants to win something she will win it. I think she is doing "her" right now and that may not be 100% tennis like it was in 2002. However she still won the AO and that's because she really wanted that title. I think that Bud comment got her hot under the collar, and she did not want to lose it.

The haters better hope and pray that Serena does not dedicate 100% to tennis again or their favorites will be beaten regularly. :lol:Much respect for this post harloo! :cool: And I agree. Serena has historically done things her way, and been the better for it. She is the one out there, while we here criticizing her every decision and injury. Amazing!

Denise4925
Apr 10th, 2005, 05:34 AM
If you read her interviews at Miami, you'll see that she did work out, but only on the stationary bike. She couldnt' risk jolting the wrist in anyway.

She talked about it at length.

This story that Kim was able to work out has been repeated so often on this board that it is now taken as gospel.
She said it in her interview on TV at Miami. I didn't read it in her written press conferences, which more often than not, don't report everything or don't report everything that was said accurately.

Denise4925
Apr 10th, 2005, 05:34 AM
No, you are wrong. Kim may have said that before her second surgery. I don't know. I didnt' see it. I'd be interested in knowing your source for that comment. But in her interview at Miami, she clearly said that after her surgery she could not even run and didn't pick up a racket until January. The entire interview was posted in General Messages, and I'm sure it is still up at the Miami site.
No, you're wrong, as I said in my last post. They interviewed her on TV in Miami, in between (you know the little snipets they do with a player between change overs) and after her match and that's when she said it.

RVD
Apr 10th, 2005, 05:34 AM
It is not even a condition. It is clay. I've been saying it for few years already. Any good clay player wants to trouble Serena on clay? Hit behind her. Target her ankles. Make her turn around sudden and quick. She is used to do that on hard. But on clay it is not going to work. Not the same kind of grip. Hit behind her, and with her weight her ankles and lower leg ligaments will be in trouble. Inevitably. That's what Farina-Elia did. :rolleyes: Serena accidentally tweeks her ankle and now you make it out to be a game plan. :haha: Do you know how ridiculous that sounds?

Denise4925
Apr 10th, 2005, 05:40 AM
:rolleyes: Serena accidentally tweeks her ankle and now you make it out to be a game plan. :haha: Do you know how ridiculous that sounds?
Are you just now noticing how ridiculous ys is? :p

ys
Apr 10th, 2005, 05:59 AM
:rolleyes: Serena accidentally tweeks her ankle and now you make it out to be a game plan. :haha: Do you know how ridiculous that sounds?

Green clay season is only two events. Two. Serena rarely plays both. You know how many of green clay seasons Serena played in total? 5. How many events? 6. How many times she withdrew or retired injured? 3. You call it accidental, right?

It's not only her.. I assume it is a generic problem for all players who are quick and have big powerful lower bodies. Dementieva gets injured on clay on regular basis too.

And I think it is a legit tactics for their opponents. Hit behind them. Target their foots&ankles. Make them suffer. It's a pro sport.

Denise4925
Apr 10th, 2005, 06:01 AM
Green clay season is only two events. Two. Serena rarely plays both. You know how many of green clay seasons Serena played in total? 5. How many events? 6. How many times she withdrew or retired injured? 3. You call it accidental, right?

It's not only her.. I assume it is a generic problem for all players who are quick and have big powerful lower bodies. Dementieva gets injured on clay on regular basis too.

And I think it is a legit tactics for their opponents. Hit behind them. Target their foots&ankles. Make them suffer. It's a pro sport.
:rolleyes:

Rub
Apr 10th, 2005, 08:06 AM
too bad for serena!

mykarma
Apr 11th, 2005, 02:59 AM
Laughing at an injuried player is classless. :tape:That idiot Devilishrph gave me a bad rep because I said it was classless to laugh at an injuried player. Shows he really doesn't have any class.

Denise4925
Apr 11th, 2005, 04:33 AM
That idiot Devilishrph gave me a bad rep because I said it was classless to laugh at an injuried player. Shows he really doesn't have any class.
Well he told me I was a sad bitch and hoped I rotted in hell. :haha: I guess we got under his 2 year old skin. :p

mykarma
Apr 12th, 2005, 02:43 AM
Well he told me I was a sad bitch and hoped I rotted in hell. :haha: I guess we got under his 2 year old skin. :p:lol: :lol: Girl, you're to funny.

RenaSlam.
Apr 12th, 2005, 04:58 AM
Huh? :rolleyes:

Look Angel_Bitch, why don't you eff off? :wavey: