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lindsayno1
Apr 8th, 2005, 09:53 PM
Obviously im glad Lindsay beat Venus, but wow venus played amazingly! She was unplayable in that first set. She owned Lindsay and played some AMAZING shots and served fantastically. Im glad shes getting better and better after her injury. Not seen her play like that in a long time! her forehand wasnt as crap as normal, but her movement was outstanding!!! well done!!!! Lots of positives from that match! :D

treufreund
Apr 8th, 2005, 10:04 PM
Sorry but i see very little improvement in her game. She seems to be fighting harder but still making WAY TOO MANY ERRORS! Last summer she lost in tough matches to Lindsay and people thought she was on her way back but since then nothing has changed really. Yes, she did beat Serena but Serena was WAY OFF her game in that whole tournament. She seemed nervous against Peer and struggled tremendously with Likhovtseva and is struggling herself. Then Venus goes down to Masha in straight sets who herself had struggled against Justine (in only her first tournament back).

This whole myth of her resurgence does not have me convinced at all. Maybe she just needs the big win to pull through but fundamentally her game has only improved maybe a tad due to slightly better movement. The second serve is still weak and or shaky but it has improved a bit. However the improvements to her second serve are offset by increased backhand errors. Her once stable backhand broke down against Myskina at the French last year and has often broke down in more and more big matches at big points. Nobody is talking about the dirty little secret of the increased errors on her backhand side because it is still stronger than her forehand which has only very marginally improved. But if you add 50% more errors to the backhand side then you are going to offset any marginal improvements in the serve and forehand.

In short, she is changing but it's very up and down and the competition is still rock solid and about to get even deeper IMO.

davidmario
Apr 8th, 2005, 10:08 PM
Sorry but i see very little improvement in her game. She seems to be fighting harder but still making WAY TOO MANY ERRORS! Last summer she lost in tough matches to Lindsay and people thought she was on her way back but since then nothing has changed really. Yes, she did beat Serena but Serena was WAY OFF her game in that whole tournament. She seemed nervous against Peer and struggled tremendously with Likhovtseva and is struggling herself. Then Venus goes down to Masha in straight sets who herself had struggled against Justine (in only her first tournament back).

This whole myth of her resurgence does not have me convinced at all. Maybe she just needs the big win to pull through but fundamentally her game has only improved maybe a tad due to slightly better movement. The second serve is still weak and or shaky but it has improved a bit. However the improvements to her second serve are offset by increased backhand errors. Her once stable backhand broke down against Myskina at the French last year and has often broke down in more and more big matches at big points. Nobody is talking about the dirty little secret of the increased errors on her backhand side because it is still stronger than her forehand which has only very marginally improved. But if you add 50% more errors to the backhand side then you are going to offset any marginal improvements in the serve and forehand.

In short, she is changing but it's very up and down and the competition is still rock solid and about to get even deeper IMO.
:haha: :haha: :haha: :scratch: :rolleyes:

VRee_Willario
Apr 8th, 2005, 10:09 PM
Sorry but i see very little improvement in her game. She seems to be fighting harder but still making WAY TOO MANY ERRORS! Last summer she lost in tough matches to Lindsay and people thought she was on her way back but since then nothing has changed really. Yes, she did beat Serena but Serena was WAY OFF her game in that whole tournament. She seemed nervous against Peer and struggled tremendously with Likhovtseva and is struggling herself. Then Venus goes down to Masha in straight sets who herself had struggled against Justine (in only her first tournament back).

This whole myth of her resurgence does not have me convinced at all. Maybe she just needs the big win to pull through but fundamentally her game has only improved maybe a tad due to slightly better movement. The second serve is still weak and or shaky but it has improved a bit. However the improvements to her second serve are offset by increased backhand errors. Her once stable backhand broke down against Myskina at the French last year and has often broke down in more and more big matches at big points. Nobody is talking about the dirty little secret of the increased errors on her backhand side because it is still stronger than her forehand which has only very marginally improved. But if you add 50% more errors to the backhand side then you are going to offset any marginal improvements in the serve and forehand.

In short, she is changing but it's very up and down and the competition is still rock solid and about to get even deeper IMO.
I see ALot of improvements in her game! In the first set, Lindsay was serving for Venus' forehand and attacking it, but didn't work, Venus was blazing winners from both wings, served well, had her net game working, was confident 17 winners, 9 errors. If she hadn't rushed on those break points, she would've capitalized and won. I bet If venus had won the match, you would've said she's improved, which she was. It was a matter of errors on crucial points and that needs work. She was really improved! :D

treufreund
Apr 8th, 2005, 10:13 PM
that's cool asv. we can agree to disagree. i do think she is getting to net more which is good but she overdoes her approach shots and missed some easy overheads??? seems like she is going for shots more which gives the impression that she is improving but still missing way too much and not always placing her shots that well. but, hey, tennis is not an easy game to figure out. so, I should cut her some slack. :)

Errinella
Apr 8th, 2005, 10:26 PM
After a bright start Venus played a couple of really poor games and couldn't win the important points in the last two sets. She had Lindsay in all sorts of problems on her serve mid-way through the second set and had her at 0-40 in the latter part of the third, but couldn't convert. She was two for TWELVE on break points...!

It's hard to believe that Lindsay (who's the veteran really) now owns the series between the two of them. If Venus can't beat her on clay (Lindsay's weakest surface) after starting the match so well and having chances in the second to close it out in straight sets then one wonders whether she'll ever get back in into the upper echelons of the game.

lizchris
Apr 8th, 2005, 10:28 PM
After a bright start Venus played a couple of really poor games and couldn't win the important points in the last two sets. She had Lindsay in all sorts of problems on her serve mid-way through the second set and had her at 0-40 in the latter part of the third, but couldn't convert. She was two for TWELVE on break points...!

It's hard to believe that Lindsay (who's the veteran really) now owns the series between the two of them. If Venus can't beat her on clay (Lindsay's weakest surface) after starting the match so well and having chances in the second to close it out in straight sets then one wonders whether she'll ever get back in into the upper echelons of the game.


She beat he on green clay, which plays like a hardcourt when the weather is nice. Believe me, if this was on red clay, Venus would have won this match.

lindsayno1
Apr 8th, 2005, 10:37 PM
of course she would! lindsay hates red clay

!<blocparty>!
Apr 8th, 2005, 10:38 PM
You obviously missed like every Venus match in the last year regarding the movement, and the miami match against serena ;) She didnt play that well, really.

!<blocparty>!
Apr 8th, 2005, 10:52 PM
And, there are no real positives from the match, just that she lost another match that would have been very winnable two years ago.

backhanddtl4
Apr 8th, 2005, 11:14 PM
Venus played better in this match than she had in her previous matches. Hopefully she'll be able to get back to her normal self that would have beaten Davenport 6-1 6-2 I know that sounds mean, but it's actually true.

abcd155
Apr 8th, 2005, 11:55 PM
Yeah that is true but Davenport has gotten much fitter and isn't intimidated by Venus anymore.

thelittlestelf
Apr 9th, 2005, 12:14 AM
Yeah that is true but Davenport has gotten much fitter and isn't intimidated by Venus anymore.Lindsay really isn't intimidated by anyone.

abcd155
Apr 9th, 2005, 12:15 AM
Yeah that's true :lol:

DiZZiA
Apr 9th, 2005, 12:17 AM
Lindsay really isn't intimidated by anyone.

What about Kim Clijsters? ;)

kabuki
Apr 9th, 2005, 12:42 AM
What about Kim Clijsters? ;)

;)