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AlexB
Apr 8th, 2005, 08:09 PM
in january we all said it was post fed cup letdown....now its april and she is only 8-7 on the year and has been losing one or two matches into her tournaments (and losing to way inferior opponents to boot) on a regular basis. and even if you claim her ranking is too high like some do around here, i know she is better than the likes of peng, dechy, and asagoe...if she was losing in the qf or sf to top 5 players thats one thing but these results now should be cause for alarm....the question is what can be done to reverse the downward spiral that is 2005

SjuTjuD
Apr 8th, 2005, 08:09 PM
Retirement, if not that new coach.

thelittlestelf
Apr 8th, 2005, 08:10 PM
She'll be needing some major :help: at the French if she isn't 100 % alert.

Leo_DFP
Apr 8th, 2005, 08:10 PM
Not sure that she wants it badly enough right now. Perhaps she needs some time off to re-focus and re-dedicate herself. Or perhaps her inevitable drop in the rankings after RG will be the wake up call she needs.

Billy Moonshine
Apr 8th, 2005, 08:12 PM
No, donīt worry, sheīs still tired, i mean last year was an unprecedented success for her and she hasnīt really had a rest. I think that the clay court season will rejuvenate her and she will come back.

iced gem
Apr 8th, 2005, 08:19 PM
No, donīt worry, sheīs still tired, i mean last year was an unprecedented success for her and she hasnīt really had a rest. I think that the clay court season will rejuvenate her and she will come back.


I hope you are right! :unsure: She needs to get her act together fairly soon....

sartrista7
Apr 8th, 2005, 08:20 PM
I'm quite pessimistic about how the rest of the season's going to go :sad:

I haven't seen any of her dreadful matches this season - even when winning, she's had awful scorelines - so I'm not sure exactly what's gone wrong; I assume she's just not mentally up for tennis at the moment. And when her mind is her strongest weapon when she's on top form, when it goes it means she can lose to ANYONE.

Clay won't rejuvenate her, she's hardly a clay court specialist - it'll make it worse, because she'll need to be patient and mentally strong. I don't see her results improving until after RG.

Possibly losing the Russian No 1 spot was more of a blow than we thought. Or it might still be the Olympic loss - but I thought with her Kremlin Cup win she'd gotten over it.

Wannabeknowitall
Apr 8th, 2005, 08:25 PM
Myskina has been off her game since Moscow. All she can hope for at this point is a jump-start match against a top 10 player. Since she's won two straight against Lindsay, it looks like that might be the match that could get her back on track. Problem is she would have to fight her way to play Lindsay. Interesting.

Foot's Fingers
Apr 8th, 2005, 08:41 PM
i have a feeling that next tournament will show us what is Myskina's cost for current moment

Time to lose anybody is ticking out, Nastya

blumaroo
Apr 8th, 2005, 09:02 PM
She hasn't had one top 20 win this year. From the matches I've seen this year she isn't that different from last year. I still say that her game isn't good enough to belong in the top 10. It is too dependable on her opponent.

croat123
Apr 8th, 2005, 09:06 PM
nope, i can think of a couple of croatians that are in a worse slump :tape:

crazillo
Apr 8th, 2005, 09:08 PM
I saw her vs. Golovin in Antwerp and she played quite OK there, but was very, very rusty and didn't have a rhytmn and not the patience, too. I think she tries to dominate more rather than using a mixture between aggressive play and her defense qualities. And I say that as a "not-liker." She definitely is better than her results show though.

jfk
Apr 8th, 2005, 09:16 PM
If she loses early at RG, could she potentially fall out of the top 10? Especially considering that Clijsters and Henin-Hardenne have points to gain. For a few years, she hung around the top 10 to 15....not until this past year was she a real force on the tour. I wonder if her time being ranked 10th to 15th was representative of her true ability.

I like her style of play a lot...it's can be fun to watch. She just lacks the consistency and focus to play not only solid defense but to also take control and attack for a full match. If her opponents play well, she is a sitting duck. It's not surprising that she has lost to opponents who are having excellent seasons so far: Dechy, Conchita, Asagoe, Schnyder, etc.

Grafiati
Apr 8th, 2005, 09:37 PM
I agree that her slump is now a worry as opposed to before... she surprised me by recovering from the Olympic losses to do well indoors and then rocking Fed Cup, but I think one of her biggest concerns may be that shoulder injury. I understand how much she must not want surgery, but if she keeps playing at this level what's the point?

UDiTY
Apr 8th, 2005, 10:17 PM
:sad: :sad:

She really has lost her fight and consistency. I dunno what happened!! She played so well at fedcup...but this year has been abysmal.

Pull it together Nastya!

K.U.C.W-R.V
Apr 8th, 2005, 10:38 PM
Yup - definately a worry.

RenaSlam.
Apr 8th, 2005, 10:45 PM
She sucks now. One slam wonder.

Infiniti2001
Apr 8th, 2005, 11:07 PM
Maybe she needs some time away to refocus :shrug:

vettipooh
Apr 8th, 2005, 11:11 PM
Something is def. wrong. Whatever it is, she needs to figure it out and get it right before FO.

abcd155
Apr 8th, 2005, 11:17 PM
She should take a long break and get her game together. She's too good for these poor results.

kabuki
Apr 8th, 2005, 11:41 PM
I just hope she is not Majoli-ing it and is going to just bottom out... :scared:

Spunky83
Apr 8th, 2005, 11:56 PM
She should take a long break and get her game together. She's too good for these poor results.

Yep...some Marat Safin-adventure-wildness-shoot-and-fish-your-own-food-vacation without any tennis-stuff or any tech-stuff (not even her beloved mobile). Marat went with his coach and girlfriend...Nastya would probably kill her poor coach and throw him into the sea...maybe not a good idea after all :scratch:

selyoink
Apr 9th, 2005, 12:12 AM
She needs to learn how to serve. Her serve is worse than Dementieva's without question. She may not hit the amount of doubles Lena does but she never holds serve in critical moments anymore.

I also think she needs a new coach.

I think her legacy will be as a one slam wonder. I foresee an early exit at the French. Maybe even first round again.

Mrs. Peel
Apr 9th, 2005, 12:12 AM
Yep...some Marat Safin-adventure-wildness-shoot-and-fish-your-own-food-vacation without any tennis-stuff or any tech-stuff (not even her beloved mobile). Marat went with his coach and girlfriend...Nastya would probably kill her poor coach and throw him into the sea...maybe not a good idea after all :scratch:

:lol:

jrm
Apr 9th, 2005, 12:41 AM
As it was said above i don't see a miracle happening on clay ... which means she stands losing major points when RG comes around.

wolfgang
Apr 9th, 2005, 02:12 AM
If her shoulder is injured the way we believe it is, she needs to get it fixed. She may be able to "play through the pain", but it would seem she can't prevent it diminishing her game. And it will only get worse.

Greenout
Apr 9th, 2005, 03:22 AM
No, donīt worry, sheīs still tired, i mean last year was an unprecedented success for her and she hasnīt really had a rest. I think that the clay court season will rejuvenate her and she will come back.\

I totally agree here. Hingis has said the way the tour is
set up right now, it's virtually impossible to have two out
of your mind seasons in a row and play what is the regular required
WTA schedule/Fed Cup/GS... hence Justine and Kim having
a bad 2004.

Please remember that Msykina and Sveta have played a full
schedule in 2004, which Maria did not. They did Olympics and
Fed Cup rounds too- plus did practically ever event they
were committed to Bali/China included against harder
draws than Maria was up against.

VeeReeDavJCap81
Apr 9th, 2005, 03:26 AM
I don't know what's wrong, but she needs to fix it soon. RG is right around the corner. And with Clijsters and Henin back, thing's will NOT be easy.

Greenout
Apr 9th, 2005, 03:30 AM
I don't know what's wrong, but she needs to fix it soon. RG is right around the corner. And with Clijsters and Henin back, thing's will NOT be easy.


About Nastya's clay season, I'm realistic- it's going to be hard.
Her best stuff is indoor. I think we'll have to wait for things to
pick up during the summer US hardcourt season, and things
going in the right direction during the Euro indoor season.

There's only Family Circle after A.I and that means into
red Euro deep slower clay.

One thing good is that she did so poorly at WIMBLEDON last
year that she can gain some points on grass.

virtue05
Apr 9th, 2005, 03:33 AM
Myskina is playing with that messed up shoulder, I think she should have had the other operation when the season ended last year. I think her serve is week but that arm injury is making it even worse, you can only play in pain for so long. She better take heed, look what has happened to the top players in the past 2-3 years win they play with major injuries.

Greenout
Apr 9th, 2005, 03:37 AM
Myskina is playing with that messed up shoulder, I think she should have had the other operation when the season ended last year. I think her serve is week but that arm injury is making it even worse, you can only play in pain for so long. She better take heed, look what has happened to the top players in the past 2-3 years win they play with major injuries.

This where the WTA rules suck. She's afraid of losing everything
to be out for a couple of months, and get no injury protected
seeding, and if your not out at a minimum of 6 months, there's
no injury protected ranking to enter tournaments.

hartnett
Apr 9th, 2005, 04:24 AM
i think something worry with her!!!best wishes for nastya!!!!

ceiling_fan
Apr 9th, 2005, 04:26 AM
oooh.. i hoep she finds her form again!!

Sun*Kissed
Apr 9th, 2005, 07:04 AM
C'mon Nastya :bounce: yeah ,i just thinking the other day that this is a definite slump for her as opposed to a few bad matches. To be honest, with the exception of Sharapova, the russian hype has really died down...Sveta's recent loses, i don't know whether it's her fitness or mental thing, when she plays well then just zones out if it goes to three. Lena's o.k, but it's obvious that it's going to be even harder for her to achieve what she did last year with Kimmie, Justine, Serena etc. playing well again. But Nastya's the one of that top group that's been really struggling lately :sad: I really wish her all the best and hope she finds her form in time to at least make a decent showing at RG as the defending champ.

~|Naomi|~
Apr 9th, 2005, 09:55 AM
This where the WTA rules suck. She's afraid of losing everything
to be out for a couple of months, and get no injury protected
seeding, and if your not out at a minimum of 6 months, there's
no injury protected ranking to enter tournaments.



I think Kim showed though that if you are good enough, you don't need that. If the shoulder is really the reason for her 'slump' and needs attention, she should just worry about getting it fixed, taking a break, clearing her head and when she is fit back herself against everybody.

Greenout
Apr 9th, 2005, 10:21 AM
I think Kim showed though that if you are good enough, you don't need that. If the shoulder is really the reason for her 'slump' and needs attention, she should just worry about getting it fixed, taking a break, clearing her head and when she is fit back herself against everybody.

Serena has shown that different players mend in different
ways. Some people take longer.

jonny84
Apr 9th, 2005, 11:03 AM
I hope Myskina finds her form soon.........it's such a shame that she hasn't produced a great result this year as yet - she needs to find some form soon especially as the French Open points fall off and she may find herself falling out of the Top10. :(

_LuCaS_
Apr 9th, 2005, 12:41 PM
Key word here break

Darop.
Apr 9th, 2005, 12:52 PM
Nastya :sad:

But I'm pretty sure she'll come back soon again

Shonami Slam
Apr 9th, 2005, 01:35 PM
if she reaches teh 4th round in RG, than evrything is ok. it's just not her time of blooming in the year.
if not, she needs to take a break untill wimbledon to practice all day long.

Szymanowski
Apr 9th, 2005, 01:38 PM
She's a great player, she really does have some weapons. I don't want to see her disappear :sad:

I hope she gets back on track, and, SOON!

sartrista7
Apr 9th, 2005, 01:53 PM
Even without her RG points, Nastya has enough to be top 10. If she doesn't get it together by the US hard court season, though, then her ranking dies.

In the long run a shit 2005 may not matter - Sanchez-Vicario and Pierce both took 5 years to win their second Slam, so it's not as if a failure to defend RG will mean that Nastya's no longer a contender. I don't think it's the most likely Slam for her to win again, actually - she's like Martinez in that her Slam victory has come on the 'wrong' surface. Historically she's been better on grass, Rebound Ace AND US hard courts than clay.

~|Naomi|~
Apr 9th, 2005, 01:55 PM
Serena has shown that different players mend in different
ways. Some people take longer.



Ofcourse some people will take longer, and Kim could go lose 1st round in her next few events she isn't back yet. But Serena would have got back without a protected ranking, if you are good enough you don't need it. So if Nastya is worried about not playing and seeing her ranking drop and having to play without a protected ranking, so she is playing through pain when she should be resting, well she needs some advice. But then it could be her shoulder isn't as bad as it is being made out and she is fine to play, so the thought of seeing her ranking drop and not getting a protected ranking hasn't entered her head. Protected rankings are overrated, if they are good enough, in time the player will get back to where they were before.

Szymanowski
Apr 9th, 2005, 01:59 PM
Protected rankings are overrated, if they are good enough, in time the player will get back to where they were before.
True

Steffica Greles
Apr 9th, 2005, 02:04 PM
I have to say, this doesn't come as a surprise to me.

She's a good player, but not as good as winning the French Open made her think she was. She was fortunate to play inept opponents in the semis and the finals.

She then started to think she could bad mouth other players, stamp her feet, and stop working as hard. And then all the distractions she used to accept or block out started to affect her performance. A classic problem, one which Venus, Anna K, Jennifer and many others have succumbed to.

virtue05
Apr 9th, 2005, 02:14 PM
I said earlier that she would be out the top ten by the end of the year. I still believe that she will, I also believe that she want make it past the second or third rd at Roland Garros or Wimbledon if she is not carefull.

goldenlox
Apr 9th, 2005, 02:41 PM
Anastasia has lost to Kim, Venus, Patty, Dechy, Asagoe.
That's not terrible.
She just hasn't come through with some big wins.
But she does this at different times in her career.

I think Fed Cup might get her re-energized.

Lemonskin.
Apr 9th, 2005, 02:42 PM
Nasty'll be right.

uNIVERSEmAN
Apr 9th, 2005, 04:26 PM
I can't get over the fact that a little tennis ball looks like a basketball in her hands.

Pengwin
Apr 9th, 2005, 04:30 PM
I wish her well, but look at where Dokic is now.

Spunky83
Apr 9th, 2005, 06:22 PM
Well...Dokic is a different case. Nastya doesnīt have anyone (besides herself) who would put her under pressure...maybe thatīs also a reason for her lack of motivation. She always lacked this "big dream". Contrary to a lot of other players, as a kid she never had the dream to be a tennis star and she never imagined herself standing down there, holding a trophy in her hands. Her main intention to play tennis was because she had nothing else to do and she liked having all the kids around her to play with so she wonīt get bored. Ironically, she gets bored now even during tennis match...?!?

DevilishAttitude
Apr 9th, 2005, 06:33 PM
Well I've seen Nastya twice this season and have not been impressed at all. Her match against Venus she really had a good chance to win since it was by far Venus's worst match of the tournament yet she made she bad errors at vital points. Against Martinez she was just made to look clueless by Conchita's spins and slices. Her serve was just destroyed. Yet her best tennis which came at Conchita's worst spell was when she played patient and then suddenly attacked. Then she went back to looking dictated and hopeless. Myskina's problem is her serve is well bad. I've always considered it as bad as Dementieva's cos Elena can make her serve up with her ground-strokes while Anastasia can't. She really shouldn't be losing to the likes of Asagoe on clay. IMO her time has passed :o

_LuCaS_
Apr 9th, 2005, 07:27 PM
Well I've seen Nastya twice this season and have not been impressed at all. Her match against Venus she really had a good chance to win since it was by far Venus's worst match of the tournament yet she made she bad errors at vital points.
Yep...that net miss was terrible :o

Myskina's problem is her serve is well bad.
atm yes...it's a mess

She really shouldn't be losing to the likes of Asagoe on clay.
Actually Asagoe is her clay nightmare.....1rd RG :bolt:
IMO her time has passed :o
She may rest in peace...poor girl

Tati & Dani
Apr 9th, 2005, 11:19 PM
She really needs to start winning again.
Roland Garros start over 6 weeks...

tennisjunky
Apr 9th, 2005, 11:55 PM
always expected to see myskina anywhere between 6-10 in the rankings, just never expected such a bad start to her season. it's like it just came out of the blue. she showed so much promise during the hopman cup and she looked solid. next thing you knew she was getting out earlier and earlier and couldn't get the wins she would have got the year before. her confidence has to be shot and her having physical problems just makes things worse. things are not looking good, hope she can turn it around soon.

fammmmedspin
Apr 10th, 2005, 02:06 AM
Myskina is playing with that messed up shoulder, I think she should have had the other operation when the season ended last year. I think her serve is week but that arm injury is making it even worse, you can only play in pain for so long. She better take heed, look what has happened to the top players in the past 2-3 years win they play with major injuries.

I thought she said the shoulder was something that couldn't be fixed at some point? Even if not, the history of players with injuries who were operated on isn't brilliant either. How many goes did they take to get kim or Lindsay or Serena right? Barbara Schwarz/ Elena D?

She needs better luck in the draw and someone in the top 10 who she can beat for a morale boost - unfortunately she keeps on running into consistent returners and players playing better than they had before or since who somehow manage to not draw other people. Sydney, Melbourne, Doha, Miami all saw her hit players on streaks when she wasn't playing well enough to respond. Luck isn't there again next week when in a tournament with several sections with no threats in them she draws Asagoe again. Asagoe means ball after ball coming back, no strategy to beat, no misses to match her own misses.... boring might be my word for it too. But boring or not she needs to find a way through it soon. Not sure if its the serve thats the problem now either or whether its now the inability to avoid a mistake on the key points. Francesca has the same ptoblem and the same problem with Asagoe so perhaps they ought to discuss it at the Fed Cup.

Its not only her though. Sveta is serving sets at 35% in too, Vera, Alicia, Patty and Francesca shouldn't be losing to the people they are losing to either. Razzano and Silvia in the SF in a field with lots of top 15 players or Kim coming back so strongly at Miami and IW both tell a story of an underperforming top 20 with few obvious exceptions and one of the exceptions now seems perpetually injured.

TF Chipmunk
Apr 10th, 2005, 04:11 AM
I think her apparent slump is due to many reasons...maybe even some that we, on the outside, know nothing about. One reason for sure is probably all the pressure that she's putting on herself with wanting to be Russia's #1 so badly and losing it to Maria Sharapova, and she just probably expects herself to do better. Also, there's more pressure on her after winning RG because she expects that she should probably be really good and get to finals and everything, so when she loses she'd probably have a really hard time getting over it.

The other reasons that we don't know that I'm talking about could be personal ones like relationships and such. Remember Daniela Hantuchova? We didn't know why she lost so much weight and why she was doing so badly until she came out with it on her own accord. I guess we'll just never know for sure unless Nastya tells us :shrug: I guess for now we can just give her big internet :hug:

SzavayFi
Apr 10th, 2005, 04:18 AM
She does seem unfocused, but Daniela droped to really REALLY bad results out of absolutely nowhere and myskina has had "decent" results, this happened to sharapova last year i dont have any doubt in my mind that she will come back strong.