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shap_half
Apr 8th, 2005, 06:23 PM
I love Pam, but that just makes no sense.

Justine is arguably the best clay court player out there.

pigam
Apr 8th, 2005, 06:25 PM
:shrug: I wouldn't knwo if she said that. ;)
It was Ju's first GS, she had a rather tough draw, so maybe that's why Pam calls it a surprise :confused:. I was surprised Ju won a GS :eek: ;)

tobe
Apr 8th, 2005, 06:26 PM
well, how would she call Kuznetsova and Myskina then??? :confused:

SJW
Apr 8th, 2005, 06:27 PM
i woulda said Kim was slightly the fave going into the final. but yanno, Pam never speaks much sense anyway :)

ezekiel
Apr 8th, 2005, 06:28 PM
Pam is too critical sometimes

lizchris
Apr 8th, 2005, 06:30 PM
She's back?

sartrista7
Apr 8th, 2005, 06:30 PM
i woulda said Kim was slightly the fave going into the final. but yanno, Pam never speaks much sense anyway :)

I remember all the commentators saying Kim was the favourite just before the final, and I also remember jumping up and down shouting at them because to me, Justine was the CLEAR favourite. Given the total superiority of her clay court game, and all.

Justine was so far from a surprise winner, that year she and Serena were head and shoulders above the rest of the girls going into the tournament. I predicted her win from the start, anyway. :)

SJW
Apr 8th, 2005, 06:35 PM
I remember all the commentators saying Kim was the favourite just before the final, and I also remember jumping up and down shouting at them because to me, Justine was the CLEAR favourite. Given the total superiority of her clay court game, and all.

Justine was so far from a surprise winner, that year she and Serena were head and shoulders above the rest of the girls going into the tournament. I predicted her win from the start, anyway. :)

yea i understand Henin is good on clay, but base purely on quantitative grounds on their h2h, and the fact Kim is no slouch on clay either, she would have been my pick just by an inch. maybe it was my heart and not my head speaking :angel:

Knizzle
Apr 8th, 2005, 06:37 PM
In some ways she was shap. I wouldn't have picked anyone but Serena to win RG.

Meesh
Apr 8th, 2005, 06:43 PM
:lol: I knew a thread would be started about this. She said Iva & Mary were surprise winners.... then she paused and said that the FO was Justine's first major.

sartrista7
Apr 8th, 2005, 06:45 PM
yea i understand Henin is good on clay, but base purely on quantitative grounds on their h2h, and the fact Kim is no slouch on clay either, she would have been my pick just by an inch. maybe it was my heart and not my head speaking :angel:

The imbalanced h2h was mostly due to the fact that Kim owned Justine early in their careers... but Justine had begun to clearly turn that round before RG, so I was pretty sure the mental block was no longer there. And I did always think that the mental aspect was the major factor preventing Justine from overtaking Kim decisively.

Woo, I was so right! Shoulda so put some money on some bets that year.

Lady
Apr 8th, 2005, 06:50 PM
Serena was BIG favourite back then, then Venus, Kim, Justine came only 4th, so I agree, Justine was a surprise winner! :D

kiekeboe
Apr 8th, 2005, 07:31 PM
Justine's win was the greatest surprise ;) :D

SelesFan70
Apr 8th, 2005, 07:38 PM
Before that year, Justine was known as a choker...so Pam saying that wouldn't be a surprise in reference to Justine at that time.

Pengwin
Apr 8th, 2005, 08:24 PM
Kim was by far the favourite in my books, she was higher ranked and had a better H2H.

Justine was a surprise winner because she beat Serena who was invincible at the time.

Allez-H
Apr 8th, 2005, 08:30 PM
Surprise winner or clear favorite, who cares she won it that the only thing that matters :smoke:

skanky~skanketta
Apr 8th, 2005, 08:37 PM
i think it was clear that justine would be the winner. i mean, despite the incident in the semis, she was the one who had been playing better tennis. kim was playing really horribly throughout. i love kim, but she was playing badly.

and besides, justine had broken serena's unbeaten run at tournaments at charleston and she won it pretty easily (considering that it was serena) and she had beaten kim saving 3 matchpoints at berlin.

maybe she might not have been the overwhelming fave to get to the final but i think it was obvious she would win. especially after kim began developing choking issues.

that said, kim, girl, u better win RG this year.

Joana
Apr 8th, 2005, 08:56 PM
Before RG she had won Charleston and Berlin, and had beaten Serena, Kim, Amelie and Monica. To say that she was a surprise winner is ridiculous.

Leo_DFP
Apr 8th, 2005, 09:22 PM
Agreed, what a ridiculous statement. Majoli and Pierce were surprises. But after the clay court season she had had in 2003 and the confident wave she was riding, Henin-Hardenne was the second favorite behind Serena for the French Open, IMO.

Leo_DFP
Apr 8th, 2005, 09:24 PM
Kim was by far the favourite in my books, she was higher ranked and had a better H2H.

But Henin-Hardenne had beaten her in their most recent meeting - the Berlin final and had proven to be better on clay. Not sure how Clijsters could have been considered a heavy favorite or favorite at all. Even, at best. But it doesn't really matter much now.

Greenout
Apr 8th, 2005, 10:52 PM
Mary wasn't the surprise winner. Justine did beat Serena at Family
Circle in 2003; but she was clearly at about 4th on the favorites
list- people doubted she could beat Serena at a GS after early 3 set matches from Patty and Jelena Kostanic, where as Serena and
Kim blew their early rounds.

Meesh
Apr 8th, 2005, 11:03 PM
Like I said earlier. Pam didn't say that Justine was a surprise winner. After she said that Iva and Mary were surprises she paused and then said that it's was Justine's first slam!