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SJW
Apr 8th, 2005, 05:49 PM
man Mary must've fought HARD :eek: good for her, i hope she does well for the rest of the clay season cuz its so nice to see her playing good :hug:
congrat Serena now go rest up please! do your thing hun :dance: not the tidiest of matches from her but she had like 50 winners :eek:

VRee_Willario
Apr 8th, 2005, 05:49 PM
Yeah Serena! A really tough match!

Stamp Paid
Apr 8th, 2005, 05:49 PM
:worship: Farina Elia!! :bounce:

Knizzle
Apr 8th, 2005, 05:51 PM
WOOHOO. Well played match from the stats. Keep it going Serena and plot your revenge in hopefully an all-WS final.

selesfan
Apr 8th, 2005, 05:51 PM
Congrats Serena :clap2:

Cariaoke
Apr 8th, 2005, 05:51 PM
Finished just in time to show big sis on ESPN. You are so good! :hearts:

silverwhite
Apr 8th, 2005, 05:51 PM
Match Summary
Pierce Williams

1st Serve % 79% 71%

Aces 0 13

Double Faults 1 5

Winning % - 1st Serve Pts. 38 of 61 = 62% 43 of 60 = 72%

Winning % - 2nd Serve Pts. 11 of 16 = 69% 10 of 24 = 42%

Winners (including service) 18 53

Unforced Errors 14 31

Break Point Conversions 1 of 5 = 20 % 2 of 6 = 33 %

Net Approaches 9 of 11 = 82 % 26 of 31 = 84 %

Total Points Won 80 81

Fastest Match Serve Speed 109 MPH 117 MPH

Average Match Serve Speed 99 MPH 104 MPH


Impressive stats from Serena! :D

lizchris
Apr 8th, 2005, 05:51 PM
Hopefully, she will walk all over SFE

Stamp Paid
Apr 8th, 2005, 05:52 PM
A lot of aces!!!!!!!!

SJW
Apr 8th, 2005, 05:52 PM
13 aces and 31 net approaches! :eek: damn erryone should be scared, Serena's got something in mind...

Venus+Serena#1fan
Apr 8th, 2005, 05:52 PM
Really AWESOME stats from Rena.

13 aces
53 winners
21 errors.

Hope she can stay focused for SFE. Go Vee!

Venus+Serena#1fan
Apr 8th, 2005, 05:53 PM
yeah, awesome stats. 53 winners 21 errors!

Maria Croft
Apr 8th, 2005, 05:53 PM
Great match from Mary !! Congrats Serena !!

Cariaoke
Apr 8th, 2005, 05:53 PM
13 aces?

53 winners to 31 ufe's?

26 for 31 at the net?

GOTDAMN Serena! :eek: :worship:

morbidangle
Apr 8th, 2005, 05:54 PM
Great Effort Mary! just a few points here and there.. 80 points to 81.
Congrats Serena.. Wish Mary didn't have to play you in the third round...

..ikke..
Apr 8th, 2005, 05:54 PM
Mary :sad:
But played a good match

LUIS9
Apr 8th, 2005, 05:54 PM
Well all credit to both players, Serena is just too much of a player for Pierce these days, Mary's poor movement can only take her so far. Besides whenever in trouble all Serena needs to do is to tell her serve, hey buddy get your ass on court, cause mine is already here, and the story comes to an end pretty soon thereafter. At least Pierce didnt get too discouraged after not having taken advantage of her break points opportunities and made the 2nd set a respectable one.

~Rachel~
Apr 8th, 2005, 05:54 PM
Points won : 80 and 81 :eek:

Well done for putting up such a good fight Mary :bigclap:

Congrats Serena :D

Diesel
Apr 8th, 2005, 05:54 PM
Mary :hug: Serena :kiss:

-Kieron-
Apr 8th, 2005, 05:55 PM
Good fight Mary, good that you kept it close and made it more entertaining!

Good stats from Serena!

Knizzle
Apr 8th, 2005, 05:55 PM
I almost forgot Serena has another match to play tonight. Good luck SERENA!!

cartmancop
Apr 8th, 2005, 05:55 PM
It looks like both players played good. I especially like Serena's numerous net approaches & she served BIG!!! Maybe Venus can play like that against Lindsay...;)

serenafan08
Apr 8th, 2005, 05:56 PM
Keep in mind - Serena was down 5-1 in the tiebreaker and won it 7-5. She's a fighter.

New
Apr 8th, 2005, 05:57 PM
Well done Mary!!! :bounce: You fought hard!

Good Luck in your next match, Serena... :)

jogoss_78
Apr 8th, 2005, 05:57 PM
great match serena

henree
Apr 8th, 2005, 05:57 PM
Serena Williams
Net approaches 26 out of 34
That would put Tim Henman to shame...
:eek:

cheo23
Apr 8th, 2005, 05:57 PM
WHat Happen at 5-1 Mary Pierce UP in that 1st SET TIEBREAK...DID SERENA BLAST WINNERS OR DID MARy "TIghten UP?????????????????"

SERENA AMAZIn..50 SOMETHING WINNERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! U GO GIRL!

Mary, PLEASE TRY TO TAKE ADVAntage of U're OPPORTUNITES NEXT TIME, OKAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!

mauresmofan
Apr 8th, 2005, 05:58 PM
Serena sounds like she played amazing tennis - shame Maam didn't get a nice draw cause she was playing well enough to be a good semi finalist. Unbelievable stats - more winners than errors from both

silverwhite
Apr 8th, 2005, 05:59 PM
Sorry about the stats. I tried but couldn't allign them. :o

Stamp Paid
Apr 8th, 2005, 05:59 PM
WHat Happen at 1-5 Mary Pierce UP in that 1st SET TIEBREAK...DID SERENA BLAST WINNERS OR DID MARy "TIghten UP?????????????????"

It doesnt matter hater! shut up! Go serena!

VRee_Willario
Apr 8th, 2005, 06:01 PM
WHat Happen at 1-5 Mary Pierce UP in that 1st SET TIEBREAK...DID SERENA BLAST WINNERS OR DID MARy "TIghten UP?????????????????"
Serena hit two winners to get to 3-5, Mary hit an error 4-5, Serena winner 5-5 Mary error Serena 6-5, serena winner(ace) for 7-6 (5)

VivalaSeles
Apr 8th, 2005, 06:02 PM
Congrats Serena :)
Keep playing this way, Mary !!!!

cheo23
Apr 8th, 2005, 06:02 PM
It doesnt matter hater! shut up! Go serena!
YES IT DOES MATTER, & NO I'm not GOIN TO SHUT UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

MY GOD GAVE ME A MOUTH & a VOICE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! SO WHATEVER JUSTINCREDIBLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :lol:

VRee_Willario
Apr 8th, 2005, 06:02 PM
Serena Williams
Net approaches 26 out of 34
That would put Tim Henman to shame...
:eek:
Her volleys are awesome nowadays :worship: , they were really effective on tight situations (like 30-30 and deuce)

thelittlestelf
Apr 8th, 2005, 06:03 PM
Wow... those are GREAT stats from Serena. She's really brought her game with her to Amelia Island! :eek:

Mary must have played really well in order to keep it so close. Good fight Mary and great win Serena!

SJW
Apr 8th, 2005, 06:04 PM
Sorry about the stats. I tried but couldn't allign them. :o

LOL i think everybody can make out what a good match it sounds like ;)

cheo23
Apr 8th, 2005, 06:05 PM
Serena hit two winners to get to 3-5, Mary hit an error 4-5, Serena winner 5-5 Mary error Serena 6-5, serena winner(ace) for 7-6 (5)
THANKS FOR THE DETAILS ASV WILLIAMS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

its usually a COMBINATION OF ERRORS & WINNERS!!!!!!!!!!!

GOOD LUCK SERENA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

VRee_Willario
Apr 8th, 2005, 06:05 PM
Wow... those are GREAT stats from Serena. She's really brought her game with her to Amelia Island! :eek:

Mary must have played really well in order to keep it so close. Good fight Mary and great win Serena!
Ree actually had 31 UFE, but she fixed that with awesome number of winners and netplay :worship:

VRee_Willario
Apr 8th, 2005, 06:09 PM
Serena rushed the net at 4-5 in TB, when Mary was serving, she won the point, what a fighter

Cariaoke
Apr 8th, 2005, 06:10 PM
I really hope they show this match...

jonny84
Apr 8th, 2005, 06:11 PM
Well done Serena! Good win! Still rooting for you for this title! :bigclap:

Mrs. Peel
Apr 8th, 2005, 06:13 PM
13 aces?

53 winners to 31 ufe's?

26 for 31 at the net?

GOTDAMN Serena! :eek: :worship:

I second that! :worship: :worship:

Darop.
Apr 8th, 2005, 06:13 PM
Mary....:sad:

ezekiel
Apr 8th, 2005, 06:32 PM
Serena :D
Mary :(

Avid Merrion
Apr 8th, 2005, 06:34 PM
congrats Serena!! :D

raquel
Apr 8th, 2005, 06:39 PM
Congrats Serena :) Good luck in the Qfs.

Shame it had to come against Mary :( I said at the start that I hated that draw. Mary played great in the first two rounds and pushed Serena hard here so must be in good form. I hope Mary gets some better draws the rest of the clay court season.

bandabou
Apr 8th, 2005, 06:54 PM
Congrats Serena.....girl's just amazing...just stepping it up at crucial times...and was just wondering where's the serve at and bam....she goes and serves 13 aces. Amazing.

RVD
Apr 8th, 2005, 06:57 PM
13 ACES!! 53 WINNERS!! KEEE-RIST!!
Me thinks the Serena of old is returning. :bounce:

This is one aspect of Serena's game that has been missing for almost 2 years— Her ability to ace her way to a win. I would love to hear LDV's take on this aspect of Rena's game. :lol:
Seriously though, when Serena was at peak condition (end of 2001-mid 2003) 13 aces was a frequent stat that we all took for granted. Only now, am I realizing how much this played in Serena's past successes. Serena plays high-stakes tennis (as she did today), and when she does, it pays off big-time! What other player in history (I'd like to know) has done this as often? Were there any (ace queens) in the past, because none come to mind? In fact, that's going to be part of my new signature..."Serena: Queen Of Aces". :worship:

Mary must've played out of her mind today to get those great stats of hers. And I applaud http://deephousepage.com/smilies/clap.gif and bow :worship: to her fighting spirit out there today. She has definitely earned my respect.

GREAT GAME LADIES!! And good luck to Mary in the coming tournaments.

Mark Spruce
Apr 8th, 2005, 07:03 PM
Well I am so proud of Mary.

Well done Serena

Mark

bandabou
Apr 8th, 2005, 07:04 PM
Yeah.....the funny thing is he always says:apart from the serve, has Serena ever mastered any shot?

Hello?Like the serve doesn' t count as a shot?

Bankhead Bounce
Apr 8th, 2005, 07:05 PM
13 ACES!! 53 WINNERS!! KEEE-RIST!!

GREAT GAME LADIES!! And good luck to Mary in the coming tournaments.

Boo brought her Triple A game today. :rocker:

Keep blastin', Mary. :cool:

HumptyDumpty
Apr 8th, 2005, 07:28 PM
Match Summary
Pierce Williams

1st Serve % 79% 71%

...

Total Points Won 80 81

....


Impressive stats from Serena! :D


81-80 points in Serena's favour. Against a faaar over-the-hill Mary Pierce.

Definitely not impressive in my book ....

RVD
Apr 8th, 2005, 07:31 PM
Yeah.....the funny thing is he always says:apart from the serve, has Serena ever mastered any shot?

Hello?Like the serve doesn' t count as a shot? :lol: Funny how that is, huh? And I'd bet that if Serena mastered the forehand slice, it would suddenly be considered passé. :lol:

bandabou
Apr 8th, 2005, 07:41 PM
81-80 points in Serena's favour. Against a faaar over-the-hill Mary Pierce.

Definitely not impressive in my book ....

Mary can play...specially on clay...of course Serena could' ve won easier, but win is a win..

HumptyDumpty
Apr 8th, 2005, 07:43 PM
Mary can play...specially on clay...of course Serena could' ve won easier, but win is a win..


But a win is not necessarily an "impressive" win ...

bandabou
Apr 8th, 2005, 07:50 PM
But a win is not necessarily an "impressive" win ...

Guess so.....depends who win, I guess...

Truc
Apr 8th, 2005, 07:51 PM
The statistics on the website are ridiculous, do you really believe them? Razzano also had almost 50 winners in 2 sets against Sugyiama. This is more than a lot of players in 5 sets (have a look at Nadal's stats in the finals of Miami), it's just impossible!!

Serendy Willick
Apr 8th, 2005, 07:54 PM
81-80 points in Serena's favour. Against a faaar over-the-hill Mary Pierce.

Definitely not impressive in my book ....


:rolleyes: When Mary Pierce is on, she can be VERY VERY tough to beat especially on clay. Mary Pierce was on and not giving away anything. Mary beat Sharapova down at the US Open last year. Please check the stats before you go talking bullcrap.

LiliaLee-Frazier
Apr 8th, 2005, 08:42 PM
Nice fight Mary! :bounce: :bounce: :worship:

Vaidisova
Apr 8th, 2005, 08:49 PM
Nice win Serena, now win your QF match tonight. :bounce:

Denise4925
Apr 8th, 2005, 10:04 PM
Way to go Babygirl...:bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

Nice match Mary. :yeah:

Now, let's dispatch Silvia and meet Linds in the final. :banana:

VRee_Willario
Apr 8th, 2005, 10:13 PM
:rolleyes: When Mary Pierce is on, she can be VERY VERY tough to beat especially on clay. Mary Pierce was on and not giving away anything. Mary beat Sharapova down at the US Open last year. Please check the stats before you go talking bullcrap.
Yeah and I remember when Amy took Serena to a 7-6 6-3 match in 2002 before the US open. And Mary's great on clay and was making very few errors and serving well. :worship:

gsm
Apr 8th, 2005, 10:14 PM
Keep in mind - Serena was down 5-1 in the tiebreaker and won it 7-5. She's a fighter.

the greatest!:bounce:

HumptyDumpty
Apr 8th, 2005, 10:49 PM
:rolleyes: When Mary Pierce is on, she can be VERY VERY tough to beat especially on clay. Mary Pierce was on and not giving away anything. Mary beat Sharapova down at the US Open last year. Please check the stats before you go talking bullcrap.


Aww, come on!
Serena with 50 winners and only 31 UEs .... ? :tape:

Please check ALL the stats in Amelia Island.
There are many, many matches with more winners than UEs.
In stark contrast to all other tournaments. I wonder who does the counting of winners & UEs there. Goofy perhaps ... ? :lol: :lol: :lol:

HumptyDumpty
Apr 8th, 2005, 11:02 PM
Yeah and I remember when Amy took Serena to a 7-6 6-3 match in 2002 before the US open. And Mary's great on clay and was making very few errors and serving well. :worship:


Since winning FO 2000 Pierce hasn't beaten a top 10 player on clay.
In 03/04 she had a 8-9 win/loss record on clay.
Wow ...

;)


But it tells volumes about Serena's decline that her fans go bonkers because of a 81-80 on points-played win against good ol' Mary ...
:lol:

RenaSlam.
Apr 8th, 2005, 11:06 PM
Since winning FO 2000 Pierce hasn't beaten a top 10 player on clay.
In 03/04 she had a 8-9 win/loss record on clay.
Wow ...

;)


But it tells volumes about Serena's decline that her fans go bonkers because of a 81-80 on points-played win against good ol' Mary ...
:lol:

Mary played well against Sharapova a few weeks ago in IW and plays well on clay. She hits SO hard and I applaud her effort. GO SERENA

JenFan75
Apr 8th, 2005, 11:24 PM
Mary :(

Andy.
Apr 8th, 2005, 11:36 PM
Great effort Mary she is back as a top contender the other girls better watch out she is playing like a top 10 girl again

bandabou
Apr 8th, 2005, 11:42 PM
I smell Cali.....I smell Cali....

Hey it was a battle indeed Cali....but at least Serena didn't get SMOKED like a famous player got smoked in ' 94 by Mary...and that after winning FOUR majors in a row and as defending champion at the event...

HumptyDumpty
Apr 8th, 2005, 11:53 PM
I smell Cali.....I smell Cali....

Hey it was a battle indeed Cali....but at least Serena didn't get SMOKED like a famous player got smoked in ' 94 by Mary...and that after winning FOUR majors in a row and as defending champion at the event...


What is "Cali", Bandyboy?

BTW, you don't want to compare Pierce of 94 with Pierce of 05 .... ?

:lol: :lol: :lol:

bandabou
Apr 8th, 2005, 11:59 PM
What is "Cali", Bandyboy?

BTW, you don't want to compare Pierce of 94 with Pierce of 05 .... ?

:lol: :lol: :lol:

How you doing, Cali? how come you changed username?

Hey, no one is going bonkers....a win is a win. Serena's still in the tournament. end of discussion...the rest is blah blah blah..

abcd155
Apr 9th, 2005, 12:00 AM
Good Job Serena! keep it up and set up a final showdown against Lindsay. Great effort Mary. Good luck in Charleston!

F-R-E-A-K
Apr 9th, 2005, 12:16 AM
:sad: :sad: Mary!! :sad: :sad:


I really wanted you to win :sad:

Goodluck @ RG! ;) :hearts:

vettipooh
Apr 9th, 2005, 12:22 AM
Good win for Rena. Now go kick some more butts and do what Vee couldn't. Congrats to Mary, though. Good fight out there to try and stay in the game. Guess they are both ready for the clay court season. Way to go, ladies.:yeah:

RVD
Apr 9th, 2005, 12:30 AM
81-80 points in Serena's favour. Against a faaar over-the-hill Mary Pierce.

Definitely not impressive in my book ....But a win is not necessarily an "impressive" win ...Aww, come on!
Serena with 50 winners and only 31 UEs .... ? :tape:

Please check ALL the stats in Amelia Island.
There are many, many matches with more winners than UEs.
In stark contrast to all other tournaments. I wonder who does the counting of winners & UEs there. Goofy perhaps ... ? :lol: :lol: :lol:Since winning FO 2000 Pierce hasn't beaten a top 10 player on clay.
In 03/04 she had a 8-9 win/loss record on clay.
Wow ...

;)


But it tells volumes about Serena's decline that her fans go bonkers because of a 81-80 on points-played win against good ol' Mary ...
:lol:What is "Cali", Bandyboy?

BTW, you don't want to compare Pierce of 94 with Pierce of 05 .... ?

:lol: :lol: :lol:http://www.handykult.de/plaudersmilies.de//eek7.gifhttp://www.handykult.de/plaudersmilies.de//eek7.gif Have you noticed that you are the only hater in an otherwise positive thread? Do you know how pathetic that is? :tape:

HumptyDumpty
Apr 9th, 2005, 12:35 AM
http://www.handykult.de/plaudersmilies.de//eek7.gifhttp://www.handykult.de/plaudersmilies.de//eek7.gif Have you noticed that you are the only hater in an otherwise positive thread? Do you know how pathetic that is? :tape:


:lol: :lol: :lol:
I don't hate anyone.
I just like to make fun of delusional Williams fans who go overboard because of a win against PIERCE!!!!!!
Tell us, whom did Mary beat on clay since FO 2000?
Hmmm .....

:wavey:

bandabou
Apr 9th, 2005, 12:59 AM
whatever, Cali....it's win and we'll take it.

RVD
Apr 9th, 2005, 01:12 AM
:lol: :lol: :lol:
I don't hate anyone.
I just like to make fun of delusional Williams fans who go overboard because of a win against PIERCE!!!!!!
Tell us, whom did Mary beat on clay since FO 2000?
Hmmm .....

:wavey:Okay, so now I'm curious, because like I stated earlier, I didn't see the match. But if you did, can you tell me if Mary was not hot today? :devil: And if you didn't see the match, how can you make the above comments, if by chance Mary had a GREAT performance out there? :confused:

bandabou
Apr 9th, 2005, 01:22 AM
Specially considering that your own fav has witnessed how good Mary CAN be when she is on?

xan
Apr 9th, 2005, 02:30 AM
Pierce is certainly on good form again!

xan
Apr 9th, 2005, 02:33 AM
13 ACES!! 53 WINNERS!! KEEE-RIST!!
Me thinks the Serena of old is returning. :bounce:

This is one aspect of Serena's game that has been missing for almost 2 years— Her ability to ace her way to a win. I would love to hear LDV's take on this aspect of Rena's game. :lol:
Seriously though, when Serena was at peak condition (end of 2001-mid 2003) 13 aces was a frequent stat that we all took for granted. Only now, am I realizing how much this played in Serena's past successes. Serena plays high-stakes tennis (as she did today), and when she does, it pays off big-time! What other player in history (I'd like to know) has done this as often? Were there any (ace queens) in the past, because none come to mind?

Alicia Molik probably has a better record for Aces per match than Serena.

Kuznetsova and Stevenson are not far behind on good days.

Brenda Schultz used to be quite an Ace Queen too.

VeeReeDavJCap81
Apr 9th, 2005, 02:40 AM
Yay Serena. 13 aces...wow.

Denise4925
Apr 9th, 2005, 03:22 AM
Alicia Molik probably has a better record for Aces per match than Serena.

Kuznetsova and Stevenson are not far behind on good days.

Brenda Schultz used to be quite an Ace Queen too.
Probably??!! You should have evidence, if you are going to make this type of statement. :confused:

VeeReeDavJCap81
Apr 9th, 2005, 03:25 AM
Probably??!! You should have proof, if you are going to make this type of statement. :confused:

He/she is just making stupid random statements to discredit our girl. Like so many other people do.

Denise4925
Apr 9th, 2005, 03:27 AM
He/she is just making stupid random statements to discredit our girl. Like so many other people do.
I know. :rolleyes:

Scotso
Apr 9th, 2005, 03:50 AM
Mary :sad:

LDVTennis
Apr 9th, 2005, 03:58 AM
13 ACES!! 53 WINNERS!! KEEE-RIST!!
Me thinks the Serena of old is returning. :bounce:

This is one aspect of Serena's game that has been missing for almost 2 years— Her ability to ace her way to a win. I would love to hear LDV's take on this aspect of Rena's game. :lol:
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My take on it.

I never denied Serena's ability to hit aces. What I denied is the wisdom of thinking that any player can count on winning match after match with just aces and unreturnable serves.

As it turns out when it counted the most today, with 3 match points in the second set tiebreak against Farina-Elia, Serena did not produce an ace or unreturnable serve.

Not having watched the match that is all I will say.

HumptyDumpty
Apr 9th, 2005, 08:56 AM
Okay, so now I'm curious, because like I stated earlier, I didn't see the match. But if you did, can you tell me if Mary was not hot today? :devil: And if you didn't see the match, how can you make the above comments, if by chance Mary had a GREAT performance out there? :confused:


Mary had her last great performance in 2000.
She is #27 in rankings today and 30 years old. Hasn't won anything for 5 years. Hasn't beaten a top 10 player on clay in the last 5 years.

Serena would have dispatched players like her some years ago. Sadly Serena's and Venus' best days are over. Their bodies can't bear their power game. Venus definitely never will win a slam again. And even with Serena there is a lot of doubt: Will there ever be a slam again where a young Russian chokes away a match and two Belgians don't compete? I don't think so ...

morbidangle
Apr 9th, 2005, 09:31 AM
Mary had her last great performance in 2000.
Hasn't won anything for 5 years. Hasn't beaten a top 10 player on clay in the last 5 years....

NOthing to be proud of, (by Mary's standards) but Mary did win a tournament on grass last year.. she has also had top ten wins on clay (Myskina at the Family Circle Cup in 2004 or 2003).
While I am not saying that Mary was in the zone yesterday, but she did play really well, so this counts as a good win for Serena. Over the hill or not, Mary is one of the biggest names on the tour, and a win over her on her fav surface is a good win. Please Cali, give it a rest!

HumptyDumpty
Apr 9th, 2005, 11:59 AM
NOthing to be proud of, (by Mary's standards) but Mary did win a tournament on grass last year.. she has also had top ten wins on clay (Myskina at the Family Circle Cup in 2004 or 2003). .... Please Cali, give it a rest!

2003.
Myskina was not top 10 then, IIRC.

BTW, who is this "Cali" guy/gal ... ?

morbidangle
Apr 9th, 2005, 06:37 PM
Myskina was #9 at that time!

Denise4925
Apr 10th, 2005, 05:18 AM
Mary had her last great performance in 2000.
She is #27 in rankings today and 30 years old. Hasn't won anything for 5 years. Hasn't beaten a top 10 player on clay in the last 5 years.

Serena would have dispatched players like her some years ago. Sadly Serena's and Venus' best days are over. Their bodies can't bear their power game. Venus definitely never will win a slam again. And even with Serena there is a lot of doubt: Will there ever be a slam again where a young Russian chokes away a match and two Belgians don't compete? I don't think so ...
I hope you don't have to eat those words and choke on them. Pardon the pun. :p But, then again you're Humpty Dumpty and you're used to great falls. ;)

VRee_Willario
Apr 10th, 2005, 10:00 AM
Be quiet LDV if you didn't see those drop volleys, lob! and volleys in thight situations. By the way, S.Williams must have the best passing shot on the tour, just watching matches against N.Petrova in OZ this year and against Daniela in Dubai. Thos crosscourt passes were awesome, needs a lot of athletic ability!

VRee_Willario
Apr 10th, 2005, 10:03 AM
I really don't understand this power game thing, V&S don't really hit any harder than many other nowadays, for example Daniela clearly hit harder in that Dubai match. Ana I. N.Petrova, Svetlana, Sania's forehand ;) etc. hit harder!
Like Serena's said she doesn't think she even hits that hard

bandabou
Apr 10th, 2005, 01:19 PM
My take on it.

I never denied Serena's ability to hit aces. What I denied is the wisdom of thinking that any player can count on winning match after match with just aces and unreturnable serves.

As it turns out when it counted the most today, with 3 match points in the second set tiebreak against Farina-Elia, Serena did not produce an ace or unreturnable serve.

Not having watched the match that is all I will say.

Of course you didn't watch it....otherwise you'd know that Serena already had an ankle-sprain by then......so she could barely move, let alone serve..

bandabou
Apr 10th, 2005, 01:23 PM
Mary had her last great performance in 2000.
She is #27 in rankings today and 30 years old. Hasn't won anything for 5 years. Hasn't beaten a top 10 player on clay in the last 5 years.

Serena would have dispatched players like her some years ago. Sadly Serena's and Venus' best days are over. Their bodies can't bear their power game. Venus definitely never will win a slam again. And even with Serena there is a lot of doubt: Will there ever be a slam again where a young Russian chokes away a match and two Belgians don't compete? I don't think so ...

You know why the russian choked it? Because now she was EXPECTED to win. She had the higher ranking, etc.....it's easy to come out and perform when you are freshfaced and new, but obviously when you're the prey, rather than the hunter...it becomes another matter.

Belgians, Belgians....they have issues of their own to deal with....clock is ticking for both of them, one still has to win the first of anything and the other has to start reaching finals again, soooo...

SJW
Apr 10th, 2005, 04:59 PM
Serena would have dispatched players like her some years ago. Sadly Serena's and Venus' best days are over. Their bodies can't bear their power game. Venus definitely never will win a slam again. And even with Serena there is a lot of doubt: Will there ever be a slam again where a young Russian chokes away a match and two Belgians don't compete? I don't think so ...

it's easy to say they'll never win another slam. hell, people have been telling us that the Williams wont win a(nother) slam since before they went through puberty.

11 slams say they're wrong :angel: btw Serena won the last slam played. mmmhmmm, a lot of doubt that she still has it.