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McAuley
Apr 8th, 2005, 03:17 AM
Serena's cockiness has always been a topic of discussion on tennis boards. As long as Serena doesn't start doing a Mike Tyson impersonation when she's trash-talking, I'm all for her brand of cockiness. I wish the players would do it more as long as no one is belittled or threats are made to their family (eg. Eating their children. ).

Personally, I think cockiness and trash-talking can both be linked to either having great confidence or great insecurity. Cockiness due to confidence can lead to complacency. Cockiness due to insecurity can lead to undue pressure. That's just my take on things.

uNIVERSEmAN
Apr 8th, 2005, 03:20 AM
better watch out for the arseholes who start bad repping at any sign of criticism of a williams.

ginger_fish668
Apr 8th, 2005, 03:20 AM
That is the reason I like Serena, her cockiness. She sure is confident! The things that she says, so fucking funny! :lol: Love her!

uNIVERSEmAN
Apr 8th, 2005, 03:21 AM
Both sisters are like that.
Werthem's column excerpt;

What to make of Venus Williams? She breaks a six-match losing streak against her sister but then falls to Sharapova. We've made no secret of our overall admiration for the Williams sisters in the past. But their absence of grace in the face of defeat has reached comical proportions. Sharapova commits a dozen unforced errors in 115 points and Venus has this to say: "She played fairly consistently. I probably shouldn't have made so many mistakes. I'll remember not to next time.'' Sorry, that's being a small person.

Julia1968
Apr 8th, 2005, 03:24 AM
Both sisters are like that.
Werthem's column excerpt;

What to make of Venus Williams? She breaks a six-match losing streak against her sister but then falls to Sharapova. We've made no secret of our overall admiration for the Williams sisters in the past. But their absence of grace in the face of defeat has reached comical proportions. Sharapova commits a dozen unforced errors in 115 points and Venus has this to say: "She played fairly consistently. I probably shouldn't have made so many mistakes. I'll remember not to next time.'' Sorry, that's being a small person.

The truth hurts. But reality wins.

selking
Apr 8th, 2005, 03:37 AM
shes fucking annoying with her stupid ass comments. I know four people who hate her now because of the shit she says.

VeeReeDavJCap81
Apr 8th, 2005, 03:51 AM
The truth is. People deep down don't have a problem with Serena being confident. They have a problem because she's a confident, sucessful, non-apologetic BLACK woman. End of story :wavey:

selking
Apr 8th, 2005, 03:52 AM
hahaha yea its about race. Wow I hope this damn stupid shit doesn't start again. Hate crime!

Volcana
Apr 8th, 2005, 03:53 AM
The last tennis player I ever knew to truly talk trash was Hingis. Compared to what basketball players, baseball players and martial artists say, calling anything tennis players say to or about each other, 'trash talk', is a joke.

What I would give, just once, for Serena to come out BEFORE a match vs a top tenplayer and say, "I'm gonna kick her ass up one side of the court and down the other. Keep my drink cold and my food warm. I'll be done in 40 minutes."

THAT'S trash talk.

VeeReeDavJCap81
Apr 8th, 2005, 03:54 AM
hahaha yea its about race. Wow I hope this damn stupid shit doesn't start again. Hate crime!

It is about race. But people hide from the truth and live in LA LA land. That's why the world continues to have problems. Not just race, but religion, sex, sexuality etc;

selking
Apr 8th, 2005, 04:00 AM
It is about race. But people hide from the truth and live in LA LA land. That's why the world continues to have problems. Not just race, but religion, sex, sexuality etc;

So we should blame racist for when she loses. Because I think she has enough excuses made for her. Wow and here it goes.

Volcana
Apr 8th, 2005, 04:07 AM
It's very funny seeing this thread juxtaposed with 'Wertheim on Hingis' thread.

Siyasema
Apr 8th, 2005, 04:12 AM
better watch out for the arseholes who start bad repping at any sign of criticism of a williams.

Beware of arseholes who live just to criticise the Williams Sisters.

Siyasema
Apr 8th, 2005, 04:32 AM
kill yourself babmoo, the world will be a better place.

Why the misplaced anger Uni?

You're looking right at my name and you still can't spell it correctly?

PhoenixStorm
Apr 8th, 2005, 04:37 AM
No, what you dumb lot aka Royal Court don't understand that she only has fans because of her race.

Now, let's take an obnoxious, cocky, ugly white slam champion----Svetlana Kuznetsova.

Hardly any fans considering she's a top tenner, but plenty of haters.

Serena still has a lot of fans because black people will cheer for her just because she's black


End of Story

Ignorance speaks. I guess you are fans of your favorite players because they are white? Asian? or insert whatever race.


You are sickening. I just laugh at all the prejudgement and assumptions. Oh of course serena's fans only cheer for her because she's black. How racist is that?

Its a riot that the very people who scream not to play the race card play it all day long.

Go screw yourself fuckwad.

Justeenium
Apr 8th, 2005, 04:40 AM
Ignorance speaks. I guess you are fans of your favorite players because they are white? Asian? or insert whatever race.


You are sickening. I just laugh at all the prejudgement and assumptions. Oh of course serena's fans only cheer for her because she's black. How racist is that?

Its a riot that the very people who scream not to play the race card play it all day long.

Go screw yourself fuckwad.

most of serena's fans, not all.
What i said was the truth. If you can't handle it, fuck off.

uNIVERSEmAN
Apr 8th, 2005, 04:40 AM
leave me the hell alone. in fact put me on your ignore, i can't stand you.

PhoenixStorm
Apr 8th, 2005, 04:42 AM
most of serena's fans, not all.
What i said was the truth. If you can't handle it, fuck off.

what truth? Please explain this truth. Where are your facts?

I'm waiting. Where is your research? I'm waiting.

Yeah Just like I thought fuckwad. Take your racist bs elsewhere. God its so clear how you think you just posted it all over this thread. Yuck. GO get some help.

Justeenium
Apr 8th, 2005, 04:45 AM
what truth? Please explain this truth. Where are your facts?

I'm waiting. Where is your research? I'm waiting.

Yeah Just like I thought fuckwad. Take your racist bs elsewhere. God its so clear how you think you just posted it all over this thread. Yuck. GO get some help.

How could it be scientifically proven? but anyone with common sense knows it's true.

Why am I racist for stating facts?
are you saying that racism is the truth?

uNIVERSEmAN
Apr 8th, 2005, 04:47 AM
this is rapidly digressing into a shoutfest.

@m@nd@
Apr 8th, 2005, 04:53 AM
i think its good to be confident :)

PhoenixStorm
Apr 8th, 2005, 05:03 AM
How could it be scientifically proven? but anyone with common sense knows it's true.

Why am I racist for stating facts?
are you saying that racism is the truth?

No you are a racist bigoted prejudiced person because of what you said. You don't even see it do yoU? I guess thats not as bad as the racists who know they are racist and celebrate that.

Oh and you didnt state any facts. Thanks for showing your true colors though.

Denise4925
Apr 8th, 2005, 05:06 AM
shes fucking annoying with her stupid ass comments. I know four people who hate her now because of the shit she says.
Four, that's all??!! :lol: I'm sure Serena's life will stop.

uNIVERSEmAN
Apr 8th, 2005, 05:07 AM
is there a point to any of this? name calling should be done privately and not in public forums.

Denise4925
Apr 8th, 2005, 05:08 AM
The last tennis player I ever knew to truly talk trash was Hingis. Compared to what basketball players, baseball players and martial artists say, calling anything tennis players say to or about each other, 'trash talk', is a joke.

What I would give, just once, for Serena to come out BEFORE a match vs a top tenplayer and say, "I'm gonna kick her ass up one side of the court and down the other. Keep my drink cold and my food warm. I'll be done in 40 minutes."

THAT'S trash talk.
:worship: :worship: :worship:

Denise4925
Apr 8th, 2005, 05:09 AM
So we should blame racist for when she loses. Because I think she has enough excuses made for her. Wow and here it goes.
:retard:

selking
Apr 8th, 2005, 05:10 AM
Four, that's all??!! :lol: I'm sure Serena's life will stop.

i'm sure serena doesn't give a shit about her fans cause thats the kind of person she seems to be. I am giving an example of people that i know and im sure they aren't the only people that have been turned off by Serenas ignorant statements.

Denise4925
Apr 8th, 2005, 05:11 AM
Ignorance speaks. I guess you are fans of your favorite players because they are white? Asian? or insert whatever race.


You are sickening. I just laugh at all the prejudgement and assumptions. Oh of course serena's fans only cheer for her because she's black. How racist is that?

Its a riot that the very people who scream not to play the race card play it all day long.

Go screw yourself fuckwad.
:worship: :worship: :worship: That's what I'm talking about.

Siyasema
Apr 8th, 2005, 05:11 AM
i'm sure serena doesn't give a shit about her fans cause thats the kind of person she seems to be. I am giving an example of people that i know and im sure they aren't the only people that have been turned off by Serenas ignorant statements.

Ignorance seems to be something you're familar with :lol:

Denise4925
Apr 8th, 2005, 05:12 AM
i'm sure serena doesn't give a shit about her fans cause thats the kind of person she seems to be. I am giving an example of people that i know and im sure they aren't the only people that have been turned off by Serenas ignorant statements.
You only know four people??!! :confused: Oh I beg to differ about her love for her fans. But, you wouldn't know anything about that not being a fan. :lol:

Justeenium
Apr 8th, 2005, 05:13 AM
No you are a racist bigoted prejudiced person because of what you said. You don't even see it do yoU? I guess thats not as bad as the racists who know they are racist and celebrate that.

Oh and you didnt state any facts. Thanks for showing your true colors though.
This isn't rocket science :retard: put two and two together.

Ugly rude white champion--not many fans

Ugly rude black champion--lots of fans, many of them black.

uNIVERSEmAN
Apr 8th, 2005, 05:15 AM
how many is this?

Siyasema
Apr 8th, 2005, 05:17 AM
You only know four people??!! :confused: Oh I beg to differ about her love for her fans. But, you wouldn't know anything about that not being a fan. :lol:

Well she is all up in Serena's business, analyzing her and all. She might as well be one for all her Serena expertise :haha:

selking
Apr 8th, 2005, 05:17 AM
You only know four people??!! :confused: Oh I beg to differ about her love for her fans. But, you wouldn't know anything about that not being a fan. :lol:

I don't find it funny taht i am not a fan of serena because alot of people on here aren't. Are you really that desperate that you need to pick at things I say to try and bring up a question completly off topic. Fact is , that you know serena is rude, becasue you're not doing anything to make me believe taht you feel taht she isn't.

Denise4925
Apr 8th, 2005, 05:17 AM
Rep posted by selking
hahaha you one to be calling someone stupid. How about instead of habving no brain and blindly supporting your favs, take a listen to what others have to say about them. And bad repping people has really gotten old so heres a nice green one for you.

:haha: :haha: :haha: Yeah right!! That would make me a bigger fool than you and that's an impossibility. Thanks for the points. :yeah:

dreamgoddess099
Apr 8th, 2005, 05:18 AM
No, what you dumb lot aka Royal Court don't understand that she only has fans because of her race. You're actually saying that if she were white with 7 slams she wouldn't have any fans? :rolleyes: Kournikova had plenty of fans and money and no singles titles. Name one black girl who has done that?


Serena still has a lot of fans because black people will cheer for her just because she's blackDamn if you don't learn something new everyday. Here I was thinking Serena had fans because she is such a great player and has 7 slams. BTW, if your theory is so correct, then why isn't this board filled with thousands of Chanda Rubin, Angela Haynes, Jamea Jackson, and Shennae Perry fans?

~CANUCK~
Apr 8th, 2005, 05:18 AM
How this thread got on race is beyond me. Some of you are just :retard:
anyways, i like serena's "cockiness". I like any player that thinks they are the best. I don't want tennis players being like well im playing so and so today so that means im gonna get my ass kicked. They should be like im gonna go out there and kick some ass ala sesil. Players who don't believe they have the ability to win will simply not win.

selking
Apr 8th, 2005, 05:20 AM
DONE. Go back to hiding and wait for another thread that has anytype of criticism, constructive or not so you can come out and use you're lame ass attempts at trying to win an argument. Normal people can just go to bed and forget about shit like this but we all know that most williams fans are anything but normal.

Justeenium
Apr 8th, 2005, 05:21 AM
You're actually saying that if she were white with 7 slams she wouldn't have any fans? :rolleyes: Kournikova had plenty of fans and money and no singles titles. Name one black girl who has done that?
?
good job selectively quoting what I said :retard:

A. Anna is hot, rena is not.
B. If Serena were a white slam champion with the same obnoxious behavior/attitude she would not have very many fans---kinda like Sveta does now.

Siyasema
Apr 8th, 2005, 05:21 AM
Rep posted by selking


:haha: :haha: :haha: Yeah right!! That would make me a bigger fool than you and that's an impossibility. Thanks for the points. :yeah:

Is Selking exhibiting that she has a brain by listening to what you or anyone else has to say about Serena tha goes against her own set opinion :confused: I think not, seems blindly hating a player is more her style :smash:

Volcana
Apr 8th, 2005, 05:21 AM
No, what you dumb lot aka Royal Court don't understand that she only has fans because of her race.Justeenium, you're letting yourself get baited into illogic. Understand, I don't have a dog in this fight, but no player EVER got to seven GS singles titles without fans. Some people just back a winner.

Connors was an obnoxious asshole. Agassi was more famous for 'image is everything', 'I'm allergic to grass' and 'I'm as happy as a fagg*t in a submarine' than for his play, but he won and had fans.

You could tattoo a swastika on your shoulder, and after seven GS wins, you'd have fans.

Denise4925
Apr 8th, 2005, 05:21 AM
I don't find it funny taht i am not a fan of serena because alot of people on here aren't. Are you really that desperate that you need to pick at things I say to try and bring up a question completly off topic. Fact is , that you know serena is rude, becasue you're not doing anything to make me believe taht you feel taht she isn't.
I couldn't give a shit if you were a fan of hers or not. There's a lot of players I'm not a fan of, but I don't criticize and hate on them for no good reason. Does your hate for her stem from her beating your favs or because she's black? I don't know that Serena is rude. In fact, I know she's a sweet person and well liked by the top players who know her, with plenty of fans. More fans than you can even imagine. I can't do or say anything to make you believe that she isn't rude, because you hate her and your feelings won't change by anything I say or do. I don't have the energy or the inclination to argue with hateful trolls. What's the point? :)

PhoenixStorm
Apr 8th, 2005, 05:22 AM
This isn't rocket science :retard: put two and two together.

Ugly rude white champion--not many fans

Ugly rude black champion--lots of fans, many of them black.

Ugly rude white champion....Justine....Martina....they have millions of fans aren't you one of them?

Case closed.

dreamgoddess099
Apr 8th, 2005, 05:24 AM
shes fucking annoying with her stupid ass comments. I know four people who hate her now because of the shit she says.
Green Day thinks she's fucking awesome. Guess they're shit heads too.

ginger_fish668
Apr 8th, 2005, 05:24 AM
This is getting ridiculous! Man, not everything's about race. I can't speak for anyone else but I like players cos of how they play and come across as a person. Black, white, asian, whatever!

I like Serena cos of her talent and that cockiness amuses me. I find her charismatic and funny. As do many millions of other people.
But there are also an equal amout of people who dislike her. Which has nothing to do with race. Sure, some people are racist, but some just dislike her for being cocky. NOTHING to do with color.

Plese, can't we at least TRY to be civil. We're all educated, right! :)

Justeenium
Apr 8th, 2005, 05:25 AM
Justeenium, you're letting yourself get baited into illogic. Understand, I don't have a dog in this fight, but no player EVER got to seven GS singles titles without fans. Some people just back a winner.



Sveta's won a slam. still not many fans of here considering she's won a slam.

Connors was an obnoxious asshole. Agassi was more famous for 'image is everything', 'I'm allergic to grass' and 'I'm as happy as a fagg*t in a submarine' than for his play, but he won and had fans.

You could tattoo a swastika on your shoulder, and after seven GS wins, you'd have fans.
that's men's tennis. a little different scenario

Denise4925
Apr 8th, 2005, 05:25 AM
I wonder when the mods will close this thread. :p

Siyasema
Apr 8th, 2005, 05:25 AM
Green Day thinks she's fucking awesome. Guess they're shit heads too.

:)

Volcana
Apr 8th, 2005, 05:27 AM
Generically, 'ugly' and 'rude' seem more applicable to the posters than the players.

'white' and 'black' are descriptions where, at best, marginally accuracy competes with irrelevance.

However 'champion' is an accurate description.

Something about a broken clock being right twice a day comes to mind.

Denise4925
Apr 8th, 2005, 05:27 AM
This is getting ridiculous! Man, not everything's about race. I can't speak for anyone else but I like players cos of how they play and come across as a person. Black, white, asian, whatever!

I like Serena cos of her talent and that cockiness amuses me. I find her charismatic and funny. As do many millions of other people.
But there are also an equal amout of people who dislike her. Which has nothing to do with race. Sure, some people are racist, but some just dislike her for being cocky. NOTHING to do with color.

Plese, can't we at least TRY to be civil. We're all educated, right! :)
Obviously not ---->Justeenium, selking and uNIVERSEmAN. :p

Cybelle Darkholme
Apr 8th, 2005, 05:28 AM
Obviously not ---->Justeenium, selking and uNIVERSEmAN. :p

I hate people who play the race card when race is not an issue. Thanks for pointing out the demented trio.

selking
Apr 8th, 2005, 05:30 AM
Green Day thinks she's fucking awesome. Guess they're shit heads too.

No its the other way around. She likes them, cause im sure they really don't give a shit about a fucking tennis player and her crazy fans. Shit like this is pointless to argue about because people are too stubborn to want to give. Right now I have given in cause it doesn't matter what people who you don't know, think about your views of a tennis player. Trolls like Deniese have no life and must go around and try to win arguments because its the only thing they have in life.

selking
Apr 8th, 2005, 05:30 AM
I wonder when the mods will close this thread. :p

Ok last post for sure. Then what the hell are you gonna do with the rest of you're night?

~CANUCK~
Apr 8th, 2005, 05:33 AM
No its the other way around. She likes them, cause im sure they really don't give a shit about a fucking tennis player and her crazy fans.

i hate to be the one to tell you this, but who says they don't like her? they are people, they may be sports fans and for all we know could be fans of hers. it does happen that stars tend to be fans of other stars. i think its snoop dogg that has a new song that he sings and serena and venus in wimby.

Denise4925
Apr 8th, 2005, 05:35 AM
No its the other way around. She likes them, cause im sure they really don't give a shit about a fucking tennis player and her crazy fans. Shit like this is pointless to argue about because people are too stubborn to want to give. Right now I have given in cause it doesn't matter what people who you don't know, think about your views of a tennis player. Trolls like Deniese have no life and must go around and try to win arguments because its the only thing they have in life.
You're a riot. :lol: Do you remember this?

I can't do or say anything to make you believe that she isn't rude, because you hate her and your feelings won't change by anything I say or do. I don't have the energy or the inclination to argue with hateful trolls. What's the point?

:haha: :haha: :haha: Not only do you know everything about Serena, but you know the intimate details of her fans' lives. NOT :lol:

ginger_fish668
Apr 8th, 2005, 05:36 AM
No its the other way around. She likes them, cause im sure they really don't give a shit about a fucking tennis player and her crazy fans. Shit like this is pointless to argue about because people are too stubborn to want to give. Right now I have given in cause it doesn't matter what people who you don't know, think about your views of a tennis player. Trolls like Deniese have no life and must go around and try to win arguments because its the only thing they have in life.


Oh, you know Green Day personally? That's GREAT! Can you please tell Billy Joe Armstrong that I loooove him. Thanks! :rolleyes:

Denise4925
Apr 8th, 2005, 05:36 AM
i hate to be the one to tell you this, but who says they don't like her? they are people, they may be sports fans and for all we know could be fans of hers. it does happen that stars tend to be fans of other stars. i think its snoop dogg that has a new song that he sings and serena and venus in wimby.
They know she and Venus. They've met them backstage at several concerts and Greenday has stated that they love Vee and Rena. :lol:

ginger_fish668
Apr 8th, 2005, 05:37 AM
Obviously not ---->Justeenium, selking and uNIVERSEmAN. :p



:lol: I swear, sometimes I really wonder about these people.... ;)

Volcana
Apr 8th, 2005, 05:42 AM
Sveta's won a slam. still not many fans of here considering she's won a slam.I would not dispute that, though I suspect she has more fans in her home country, than in the USA, proportionally. However, my point is, your statement was this.No, what you dumb lot aka Royal Court don't understand that she only has fans because of her race.You're just making it easy for you opposition.

Black people make up 11% of the US population, and a far lower percentage of them have cable TV, than whites. Most Black people don't get to SEE Serena, except during slams. And yet, Serena's the most popular player on the tour. Shockingly, she's more more slams than any other active player. (For the moment, we're defining Monica as a long-term injury.) The winningest player is usually the most popular in the USA in ANY sport. I daresay you wouldn't dispute that.

It's not because all the Black folks in America are into her. (Though a disproportionate number of them are.) Black didn't earn Chanda Rubin anything like Serena's money or celebrity. Winning did that.

Now, if you said that Serena gets to do things other players don't because of her race, I'd agree with you. When 'My Wife and Kids' had Serena do a guest spot, they knew an awful lot of Black people who watched TV would tune in. And they did.

But 'she only has fans because of her race'!?!?!

That's target practice.

And comparing her to a one-slam winner like Kuznetsova makes no sense. There are quite a few 7+ slam winners. Which one didn't have a LOT of fans?

~CANUCK~
Apr 8th, 2005, 05:42 AM
They know she and Venus. They've met them backstage at several concerts and Greenday has stated that they love Vee and Rena. :lol:

It must be becoz they are black. Coz we all know how black green day are. :rolleyes:

Denise4925
Apr 8th, 2005, 05:44 AM
I would not dispute that, though I suspect she has more fans in her home country, than in the USA, proportionally. However, my point is, your statement was this.You're just making it easy for you opposition.

Black people make up 11% of the US population, and a far lower percentage of them have cable TV, than whites. Most Balck people don't get to SEE Serena, except during slams. And yet, Serena's the most popular player on the tour. Shockingly, she's more more slams than any other active player. (For the moment, we're defining Monica as a long-term injury.) The winningest player is usually the most popular in the USA in ANY sport. I daresay yoiu wouldn't dispute that.

It's not because all the Black folks in America are into her. (Though a disproportionate number of them are.) Black didn't earn Chanda Rubin anything like Serena's money or celebrity. Winning did that.

Now, if yoiu said that Serena gets to do things other players don't because of her race, I'd agree with you. When 'My Wife and Kids' had Serena do a guest spot, they knew an awful lot of Black people who watched TV would tune in. And they did.
But 'she only has fans because of her race'!?!?!

That's target practice.
That's why I don't even know why you waste your time Volcana, because it's like shooting fish in a barrel. :lol:

Denise4925
Apr 8th, 2005, 05:45 AM
Im must be becoz they are black. Coz we all know how black green day are. :rolleyes:
:lol:

Volcana
Apr 8th, 2005, 06:26 AM
BTW, I hope you all realize that this same thread, or one very much like it, has been running since 1997. The thing is a virus. It infects message boards. Don't you think anybody who mind was going to be changed by facts has already changed it.

Venus and Lindsay have much the same game. Lindsay hasn't won a slam since 2000. Venus hasn't won a slam since 2001. How many threads suggesting Lindsay needs to imporve her shots have you read in the last four years? Now why is that?

a) Because people believe Lindsay has maximized her potential. Three slams and a couple year-end #1's is what she has in her. Whereas Venus more potential than Lindsay, and even though she's won more slams, she could have won a LOT more slams.

or b) Lindsay's white. Venus is black. And people are criticizing Venus for things they let go in other players because she's Black.

The facts support either conclusion.

But either way, Venus has money and opportunities that don't come the way of 1% of Americans. She's done okay, either way.

Whereas this topic is so old it's a fossil.

VeeReeDavJCap81
Apr 8th, 2005, 06:34 AM
No its the other way around. She likes them, cause im sure they really don't give a shit about a fucking tennis player and her crazy fans

LMAO!!!! And you know this how?? And why would it bother you so much if the guys in Green Day liked Venus and Serena???

msmsed
Apr 8th, 2005, 06:35 AM
wuts so bad about being cocky?

SJW
Apr 8th, 2005, 06:47 AM
williams fans almost hounded as much as the Williams sisters :eek:

1) so only black people cheer for the WS? but it's not about race right? righttttttttttt. so if all their fans are black, none of them are white right? sure. no white people cheer for the WS (according to this logic). so race doesn't play a factor then? :confused: rubbish. people of all colours like the sisters, and this is true of every other player too.
2) i do think that some people dislike the sisters because of their race. and this thread hasn't disproved this.
3) why are all Williams fans grouped as one? we have different features, different personalities and different favourites to be honest. LOL it's not the first time that a group of people have been pushed under the same umbrella :tape:
4)when ashed about your OWN game, only stupid people respond with what the other person did. Wertheim (and this board) should note that.
5) 90% of the game is mental. if you let someone win in the locker room, there's no point stepping out on the court. go and watch golf or something if you want people to kiss your faves ass :wavey: but you gotta love the people who want their faves' existence to be justified by a compliment from the sisters :lol:

that's all :wavey: