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lloyders76
Apr 8th, 2005, 01:22 AM
she's not in it to be an also ran, and did say when around 20 that she couldn't see herself playing into her late twenties

theres a reason she hasn't been to a GS semi for nearly 2 yrs and its not ability its lack of hunger and commitment

maybe shes playing out her contracts as well!!

not what i truly believe but think another year end rank outside top 5 and without GS final ( at least ) and she won't want to go on much longer

switz
Apr 8th, 2005, 01:26 AM
i think this is more likely to prolong venus career. she's showed she can still mix it with the best when she gets her game under control and this should serve as inspiration to keep improving, whereas consistanly losing to serena in GS finals would have just got mundane and encouraged her to pursue bigger challenges.

tennis is a challenge again. the fact that she is not playing well week in week out is not important in terms of retirement. did anyone with a right mind say sharapova should retire when she was pushed to the brink my zuluaga or lee-waters or when she was double bagelled by lindsay?

venus' problem is perhaps having slightly too much pride to see that she needs to work on the technical side of here game ie forehand and second serve.

slydevil6142
Apr 8th, 2005, 01:27 AM
she's not in it to be an also ran, and did say when around 20 that she couldn't see herself playing into her late twenties

theres a reason she hasn't been to a GS semi for nearly 2 yrs and its not ability its lack of hunger and commitment

maybe shes playing out her contracts as well!!

not what i truly believe but think another year end rank outside top 5 and without GS final ( at least ) and she won't want to go on much longer

:rolleyes: she hasnt been to a slam semi in almost 2 years not because of lack of hunger or commitment she spent an entire half season out with a seriuse injury and last year was her rebuilding... its amazing how quickly people are willing to tear down a player. Venus has accomplished more than 99.999% of the tour ever will. If she retires tomorrow her place in history is stamped but shes out there competeing and Im sure she will content for the big ones sooner than anyone else relaizes.

lloyders76
Apr 8th, 2005, 01:31 AM
listen, big venus fan but don't believe in the train of thought that the tour has caught up with her, she plays at at a far less aggressive level now and theres only so long that an injury of 18 mths ago can be used as a reason

switz
Apr 8th, 2005, 01:41 AM
i'm not a big venus fan at all. i simply know from having watched venus play for all those years that at her best she is still in league beyond all but a few at their best (perhaps davenport, serena, and maybe now sharapova).

from an objective perspective i can that her shot making ability and court coverage were second to very very few and i still believe that with the right adjustments that she can be back at that level once more.

i am one though who believes the tour has regressed not moved on. as you said in your other current thread - players like myskina and kuznetsova were able to win slams in 1 year with limited capacities (according to you) whereas the two upsets you compared them to (majoli and martinez' slam wins) occurred over the space of 9 years. so how has the tour moved forward?

LUIS9
Apr 8th, 2005, 01:42 AM
I wouldnt be so sure to rule Venus out of the winning grand slam equation just yet, certainly not out of the part where she should be at least challenging for them. She already stated one of her goals for mid way through the season was to be top 4 and defend most of her clay points. I saw the Sharapova match and saw some of the old Venus in her. Always a fighter never out of the match til her opponent decides to take the match away from her. Her serve was pretty decent, hit a couple of unreturnables and quite a few aces, thats what had been lacking the past year and a half. Her net game has improved so much, she always had excellent swinging volleys and ber high backhand volleys were always good, her touch has really improved, she rarely loses a point when coming in.

The match really came down to Sharapova capitalizing on Venus' forehand, however Venus hung in there, just an error too many in the end from this wing, but at one point in the match both were playing a very clean game, quite competitive, both were at a +8 or more differential, and thats really big for how big these two were hitting the ball. So we should see what Venus has in store for us at Wimbledon, her favorite tournie I would say and the one that suits her game the most.

slydevil6142
Apr 8th, 2005, 01:45 AM
listen, big venus fan but don't believe in the train of thought that the tour has caught up with her, she plays at at a far less aggressive level now and theres only so long that an injury of 18 mths ago can be used as a reason

I will contiue using the injury of 18 months ago as an excuse if the fact that she hasnt been to a slam semi in almost 2 years is mentioned. Before the injury she made the finals in London... of course the injury had an impact on her game.

Wannabeknowitall
Apr 8th, 2005, 01:53 AM
i think this is more likely to prolong venus career. she's showed she can still mix it with the best when she gets her game under control and this should serve as inspiration to keep improving, whereas consistanly losing to serena in GS finals would have just got mundane and encouraged her to pursue bigger challenges.

tennis is a challenge again. the fact that she is not playing well week in week out is not important in terms of retirement. did anyone with a right mind say sharapova should retire when she was pushed to the brink my zuluaga or lee-waters or when she was double bagelled by lindsay?

venus' problem is perhaps having slightly too much pride to see that she needs to work on the technical side of here game ie forehand and second serve.


I hate saying this but I guess I have no choice. Sharapova is 17. Venus has been a pro since 1994. When she was in her late teens I do remember her saying that she didn't want to play any more after 25. Venus just is too inconsistent right now. I think she'll be out of the top 10 after the French but I think she'll find her way back. Lindsay considered retiring herself after just being in the top 5 and losing in finals all the time. Lindsay at the time wasn't in a slam final for 3.5 years. Venus right now is at that same point in her career. If she's going to get better she needs to do it NOW. The Russians are in a small slump. The Belgians are getting better but not there yet. Serena is playing kinda sloppy after the AO. I hope she picks up her game but if she doesn't she might retire by next year.

lloyders76
Apr 8th, 2005, 01:53 AM
yeah had an impact, so did loss of her sister but she's probably got over that as much as she will and the results aren't returning

isn't it all about desire if u've already proved u have the ability and talent?

slydevil6142
Apr 8th, 2005, 01:59 AM
I dont know why I bother to defend Venus to people that want her to do badly. Ultimatly its her life and her career and whatever happens shes the only person that is effected. If her winning more slams is a goal of hers I hope she accomplishes that but if shes content with life off the court than I will support that choice as well.... but we all know that the Venus haters really dont want her to do well they would love nothing more than for her to retire... but shes still on the tour and still in the top ten even with her "inferior" game.

lloyders76
Apr 8th, 2005, 02:05 AM
why if someone questions her commitment do people think its an attack on her ability, i love to watch her play but am frustrated when her performances are a shadow of what she did/could show

she's my fav for gods sake but being objective i have doubts she'll reach the highs she did

Kabibi
Apr 8th, 2005, 02:32 AM
So who else with Venus should retire?

lloyders76
Apr 8th, 2005, 02:39 AM
jeez, did u read the question

i don't want her to retire, i'm just asking if u think she'll weather being ranked outside the top 5 for more than a season or 2 b4 moving on

Kabibi
Apr 8th, 2005, 02:42 AM
jeez, did u read the question

i don't want her to retire, i'm just asking if u think she'll weather being ranked outside the top 5 for more than a season or 2 b4 moving on

venus - how long out of top 5 b4 retires?

Is your memory going?

It's always interesting having this type of question or a remark about Venus being made with her current rank and form when all I have to do is look at some of the players ranked ahead of her and many ranked after her who haven't even achieved half of what she has. Venus' story is not over, so no, I don't see her retiring anytime soon. She did say afterall that she and Serena would both play into their 30's.

SzavayFi
Apr 8th, 2005, 02:43 AM
Oh i think Venus has a one more slam in here easily

fammmmedspin
Apr 8th, 2005, 02:54 AM
Misses the point?

If Venus likes playing, top 10 is a fine platform - she can play where and when she likes. Shes competitive now even when she loses so that may be enough,

If Venus wants big wins and that is her motivation and expectation its difficult to see her playing on long as it gets clearer that someone is always going to get in her way to those GS titles. That someone was Serena - now its any one of a number of players who can spoil her chances. It must be psychologically tough dealing with those defeats by Serena and then finding she can't get to the final stages of a GS and why take it if you are not getting anything positive from trying.

icequeen
Apr 8th, 2005, 03:04 AM
yeah had an impact, so did loss of her sister but she's probably got over that as much as she will and the results aren't returning

isn't it all about desire if u've already proved u have the ability and talent?


Are you serious...you never get over the death of a love one especially an older sister you were close too. Have a heart.

uNIVERSEmAN
Apr 8th, 2005, 03:06 AM
2 yrs

icequeen
Apr 8th, 2005, 03:08 AM
Misses the point?

If Venus likes playing, top 10 is a fine platform - she can play where and when she likes. Shes competitive now even when she loses so that may be enough,

If Venus wants big wins and that is her motivation and expectation its difficult to see her playing on long as it gets clearer that someone is always going to get in her way to those GS titles. That someone was Serena - now its any one of a number of players who can spoil her chances. It must be psychologically tough dealing with those defeats by Serena and then finding she can't get to the final stages of a GS and why take it if you are not getting anything positive from trying.


Did you say the same thing about lindsay?

mishar
Apr 8th, 2005, 03:38 AM
Gosh, as a Seles fan, it reminds me so much of how people talked about Monica since 99... she stuck it out for four more seasons, struggling with injuries the whole time.. maybe she'll come back, though I doubt it. I distinctly remember a few Venus fans taunting us Monica fans, but I'll conveniently forget that ever happened.

I believe Venus can come back, just as I believed Monica could have. Obviously I was wrong about Monica. It's never clear that it's over when you're a champion like Seles or Williams. But the question is how long can she go without at least reaching gs finals, much less winning them? Monica went on for years, but she kept having little signs of hope: her great summer of 2001, returning to the top 5 again and again, even reaching the semis of Oz 2002.

The question is, if Venus is in a similar position, if she can't come back, how long will she go on? In some ways I see her desire for the game increasing recently, in Antwerp and Miami. I always felt that with Monica, while she loved to win, she just loved to play most of all. So she was able to tolerate being less than the player she once was.

Volcana
Apr 8th, 2005, 05:01 AM
Venus will back IN the top five before she retires.

LucasArg
Apr 8th, 2005, 05:23 AM
Stop talking crap about Vee, i am getting tired

Chunchun
Apr 8th, 2005, 05:27 AM
theres a reason she hasn't been to a GS semi for nearly 2 yrs and its not ability its lack of hunger and commitment



:eek: :help: :sad:

Dasha_
Apr 8th, 2005, 10:46 AM
I know that there is some people who would love to see Venus retires, but Ithink they will be disappointed. Because, not that she will not retire, I belive she will be back in Top 5 this year. From what I've seen in last few tournaments, on my humble opinion, she is getting better every single match she plays. I think that she only needs to focus a little bit more on tennis (just like her sister needs also), and then things will get back to normal. And to me normal is - the sisters sharing first two places in the rankings, and 4 GS titules. Maybe I do live in the past, but I really belive that those two girls can do it again, just if they star to wish it hard enough, like they did before.

lloyders76
Apr 8th, 2005, 11:02 AM
Are you serious...you never get over the love of a love one especially an older sister you were close too. Have a heart.

perhaps english is ur 2nd language

i said AS MUCH AS SHE WILL

not that she was OVER it

starr
Apr 8th, 2005, 01:24 PM
she's not in it to be an also ran, and did say when around 20 that she couldn't see herself playing into her late twenties



I wouldn't put too much weight on what young women say about the length of their careers. Chris Evert said when she first started playing tennis that playing past the age of 25 wasn't feminine. :lol: But she played until she was into her early thirties. Wasn't she 34 when she retired?

lloyders76
Apr 8th, 2005, 09:25 PM
sure was and point taken but then again she won at least one slam each year from 74 to 86 so had fair incentive to play on (last slam aged 31?)

Billy Moonshine
Apr 8th, 2005, 09:31 PM
Venus said she she couldnŽt see herself playing at 25 when she was a teenager. Perhaps she had the idea that by then she would have 12 slams and broken a few records.
Maybe she never thought her career would turn out like this. Injuries, dominated by Serena in GS finals, bad losses, loss of form.
She comes across to me as a very mature woman and a fighter. I think she really wants to succeed and works hard to do so. SheŽs had some good wins this year and is
injury free. I reckon sheŽll stick around and see how things shape up.
I hope so. Tennis is better off with the likes of GS champs adding to the mix.

SjuTjuD
Apr 8th, 2005, 09:41 PM
This will be Venus' last year.

thelittlestelf
Apr 8th, 2005, 09:43 PM
This will be Venus' last year.Betting the house on that? :retard:

abcd155
Apr 8th, 2005, 09:48 PM
God Venus lost to the world number one! she sucks so bad! :rolleyes:
Great Effort Venus today and good luck in your next tournament :)
Venus is getting better. Just give her time and she'll be back to her old self.

davidmario
Apr 8th, 2005, 10:04 PM
At the French 2004 in an Online-Interview she said, that she's going to play until she's 33!!!!!!

jfk
Apr 8th, 2005, 10:32 PM
Certainly, if her current form and ranking continues for another year or two, she may very well call it quits. There is nothing left for her to gain playing this way.

However, it felt like the old Venus returned in the first set for Davenport today...she had an intensity and high level that was reminiscent of her peak years. If she can make her way back to that level on a consistent basis, she can be top 5 again and be a big threat in majors again. As it stands now, however, she'll need a fortunate draw (Mauresmo in the QF) to make the semis at RG.

Julia1968
Apr 8th, 2005, 11:53 PM
Are you serious...you never get over the death of a love one especially an older sister you were close too. Have a heart.

A family death is no excuse for such an erratic, poor forehand and service game. Serena's comeback has been far more successful by comparison, and I'm sure Serena doesn't hurt any less.

ceiling_fan
Apr 8th, 2005, 11:55 PM
A family death is no excuse for such an erratic, poor forehand and service game. Serena's comeback has been far more successful by comparison, and I'm sure Serena doesn't hurt any less.

maybe venus was closer to Oracene than serena was? :confused:

thelittlestelf
Apr 9th, 2005, 12:01 AM
A family death is no excuse for such an erratic, poor forehand and service game. Serena's comeback has been far more successful by comparison, and I'm sure Serena doesn't hurt any less.She's improving. What more do you want?

And if you don't like her, why do you care so much?

HumptyDumpty
Apr 9th, 2005, 12:21 AM
God Venus lost to the world number one! she sucks so bad! :rolleyes: ....

But considering that the #1 is Lindsay Davenport .... :eek: