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lloyders76
Apr 8th, 2005, 01:03 AM
as in see myskina and kuz remaining one slam wonders like majoli and martinez. like majoli, myskina will struggle to stay in top ten and reach latter stages of GS (majoli had one win and one QF), kuznetsova will be more of a 'playa' but never replicate us 2005

they're the 2 russian there at the right time and place to take advantage of the absence/poor form of the best 4 in world (no prizes)

sharapova will be in the mix when ranking top ten ever in 5-8 yrs time

Almalyk
Apr 8th, 2005, 01:11 AM
Myskina has more clout that Majoli - she has won two Tier 1's as well. She has also reached the QF at the US Open and the Australian Open.

She is the sort of player who can beat anyone on a good day, and lose to anyone on a bad day.

switz
Apr 8th, 2005, 01:21 AM
don't be harsh on majoli. an inability to overcome serious injuries ruined her career but she achieved a lot in the times she an elite player

Won Roland Garros and made the quarters or better for 4 straight years.

also made aus open and wimbledon quarters.

made the semis of the YEC also qualifying from 94-97.

won Charleston, Zurich, Filderstadt, Hamburg, Hannover.

from 95-97 she was one of the best player in the world and that should not be forgotten. her win at roland garros was surprising but IMO less than Myskina or Kuznetsova's wins in many ways.

lloyders76
Apr 8th, 2005, 01:27 AM
iva was quality player, nick bollitieti ( ok shit spelling ) said she'd be hingis main opponent during her career ( yeah his predictions are always bit partisan) and injury was big factor but nevertheless she failed to stay the distance and had a limited game, myskina strikes me as similar

LUIS9
Apr 8th, 2005, 01:31 AM
Yeah, I tend to agree, Myskina is too streaky, from the ground Dementieva can send her packing. Unfortunately shes got to learn to keep those nerves under control on the big stages. Her serve is really whats keeping her from being the best Russian. Kuznetsova has an awesome forehand and decent serve at times, but man can or will she ever learn how to control those unforced errors?

I just really dont see Myskina beating lets say Davenport in a quarterfinal and then possibly Serena and or Sharapova in either the semis or finals, these have got too much power off the ground for her, she may beat one or two but she will not beat all three back to back. No matter how great her backhand may be or how awesome her defense skills are, the above serve a lot better and have bigger forehands already enough of an advantage over her. Lets not forget Clijsters is back and should Henin find her form on clay I dont see her beating either Clijsters or Henin on clay and Serena wants that 2nd rolland garros to have 2 slams or better on all the surfaces. The pressure of defending her biggest title of her career may also get too her, but she surely can prove me wrong.:confused:

venus_rulez
Apr 8th, 2005, 01:33 AM
The last few years in women's tennis should have taught us that anything can happen. How do you know that Maria won't tear an abdominal muscle? How do you know that Maria won't require knee surgery? How do you know Maria won't get an energy sapping virus that takes her out for months? How do you know that Maria will continue her outstanding play? The point is you don't and any of these things could happen to her or any player for that matter. Nothing is promised.

Spunky83
Apr 8th, 2005, 01:37 AM
WOW!!! Can you also tell me about my future? Who am I going to marry? Will I have a big house? How many kids will I get? What kind of job will I have?

PLEASE TELL ME!!! You seem to know so much!

alexusjonesfan
Apr 8th, 2005, 01:39 AM
myskina is majoli, kuz is martinez, sharapova is top dog, and you shouldn't quit your day job

dreamgoddess099
Apr 8th, 2005, 01:39 AM
The last few years in women's tennis should have taught us that anything can happen. How do you know that Maria won't tear an abdominal muscle? How do you know that Maria won't require knee surgery? How do you know Maria won't get an energy sapping virus that takes her out for months? How do you know that Maria will continue her outstanding play? The point is you don't and any of these things could happen to her or any player for that matter. Nothing is promised.
So true. For anybody to try and predict a players future for the next 8 years based on 10 months of good play is stupid. How can you say someone is going to be great for the next 8 years when they have yet to show greatness for just 1?

lloyders76
Apr 8th, 2005, 01:43 AM
oh forgive me for musing on what i think players might be capable of based on their results, temperament and games,

is it an offence?

perhaps anyone predicting monicas domination of the mid nineties was a fool for not forseeing calimero stabbing her between the shoulder blades

lloyders76
Apr 8th, 2005, 01:45 AM
the raw talent she showed in reaching 4r of wimbledon 93 was enough to persuad me she could be one of the best, winning last yr cemented that

PS, i can't stand her - but she's got the potential

vettipooh
Apr 8th, 2005, 01:55 AM
the raw talent she showed in reaching 4r of wimbledon 93 was enough to persuad me she could be one of the best, winning last yr cemented that

PS, i can't stand her - but she's got the potentialConfused...93?? Winning last year??? Who are you referring to???

lloyders76
Apr 8th, 2005, 01:57 AM
forgive me bu t u knew when i meant

Junex
Apr 8th, 2005, 02:10 AM
The last few years in women's tennis should have taught us that anything can happen. How do you know that Maria won't tear an abdominal muscle? How do you know that Maria won't require knee surgery? How do you know Maria won't get an energy sapping virus that takes her out for months? How do you know that Maria will continue her outstanding play? The point is you don't and any of these things could happen to her or any player for that matter. Nothing is promised.


hmm...
understandably, the thread is more abour Myskina & Kuzzy (maria is just a supporting star) and yet yuor reply is all about Maria's possible demise in the future......interesting!

sartrista7
Apr 8th, 2005, 02:13 AM
oh forgive me for musing on what i think players might be capable of based on their results, temperament and games,

is it an offence?

No-one's taking offence. But when your argument to back up your predictions is so limited and ignorant, it is perhaps inevitable that others will disagree. I haven't seen any solid evidence that Myskina and Kuznetsova will end up one-Slam wonders. The comparisons between Myskina and Majoli are ridiculous, in the first place - look at their results immediately after winning RG. Majoli reached the Wimbledon QF, then went into an extended slump which was initially not due to any injury at all, and didn't win another title for half a decade. Myskina went on to her best ever US hard court season, climbed to No 2 in the world, and won her next tournament - a Tier I - within months.

deja_entendu
Apr 8th, 2005, 02:13 AM
Myskina isn't going anywhere. :) She's no clay-court specialist.

lloyders76
Apr 8th, 2005, 02:24 AM
please, myskina got to no. 2 ( briefly) cos serena and venus were coming back from injury, clijsters and henin were out and if u think shes better than any of those players, along with davenport, mauresmo, sharapova ur more ignorant than i could ever fear to be

sartrista7
Apr 8th, 2005, 02:29 AM
She doesn't need to be better than any of those players to remain in the top 10, be a consistent threat to them, and win another Slam. And she has a winning record over Sharapova by a reasonable margin, and has won the last four sets she's played against Davenport.

And what makes you think that Serena, Venus, Kim and Justine are back for good? You think they won't get injured again?

lloyders76
Apr 8th, 2005, 02:33 AM
injured myskina would beat any of those 4?

or top form myskina beat those 4 on top form ?

dreamgoddess099
Apr 8th, 2005, 02:36 AM
please, myskina got to no. 2 ( briefly) cos serena and venus were coming back from injury, clijsters and henin were out
Excuse me, but were those not the same circumstances in with Maria thrived?

croat123
Apr 8th, 2005, 02:39 AM
actually, iva did much better than u are giving her credit for.
1 GS at RG
QF at AO and Wimbledo (4rth at US Open) and 3 more QF at RG
Titles:
95 Zurich (beat Novotna, Rubin, and Pierce)
95 Filderstadt (beat Fernandez, Likhovtseva, Pierce, Rubin, and Sabatini)
96 Tokyo (beat Garrison Jackson, Schultz-McCarthy, Seles, Hingis, Sanchez Vicario :eek:
96 Essen (beat Novotna)
96 SF at YEC (beat Huber and Novotna, lost to Hingis in 3)
97 Hanover (beat Paulus and Novotna)
97 Hamburg (beat Pierce and Dragomir - Dragomir was playing the best tennis of her life)
97 RG (beat Davenport, Dragomir, Coetzer, and Hingis)
02 Charleston (beat Smashnova, Coetzer, Testud, and Schnyder -ok, so it was an amazingly easy draw for a tier I)

The only slam that Myskina has done better at is the US Open (Majoli has done better than her at Wimbledon)

They both have 9 titles, but Myskina's two Tier Is come in Moscow which is (unfortunately) one of the weaker Tier Is while Majoli has Filderstadt, Zurich, Tokyo, and Charleston (ok, Charleston was weak).

fammmmedspin
Apr 8th, 2005, 02:41 AM
as in see myskina and kuz remaining one slam wonders like majoli and martinez. like majoli, myskina will struggle to stay in top ten and reach latter stages of GS (majoli had one win and one QF), kuznetsova will be more of a 'playa' but never replicate us 2005

they're the 2 russian there at the right time and place to take advantage of the absence/poor form of the best 4 in world (no prizes)

sharapova will be in the mix when ranking top ten ever in 5-8 yrs time

Making predicictions is fraught at the best of times. Predicting tennis players careers is just plain silly. Try it with ASV in 1989 or Monica in february 1993 or Venus in 2000. Your predictions don't even hold up logically. Martinez had no difficulty staying in the top 10 for a protracted period - she was a fine player - ask Graf. Myskina got her success younger and the people she can't beat are more likely to retire before she does. She took out two GS winners to get her GS and could end up in a couple of years time playing Russians she can beat in the last 4 rounds of any GS she enters. Sveta is only 19 and might have taken 3 GS last year with a little better draw in the FO and not playing doubles at Eastbourne - who knows whether her current lull will go on or turn into a winning streak. Maria is doing well but we have no 2005 evidence that Myskina and Dementieva still can't beat her regularly, there are major doubts she can beat a fit Kim or Justine and we do have increasing evidence that she is fallible. it all depends on which individual match ups the draw throws up and form on the day. Ask Davenport or Dementieva if they would rather face Myskina or Sharapova in a final - then ask Sharapova if she would rather play Myskina or anyone else in the top 10 in a final..

dreamgoddess099
Apr 8th, 2005, 02:43 AM
oh forgive me for musing on what i think players might be capable of based on their results, temperament and games,

is it an offence?No, not an offence but definitely no real indication of the future considering results, temperaments, and games change in the blink of an eye.

perhaps anyone predicting monicas domination of the mid nineties was a fool for not forseeing calimero stabbing her between the shoulder bladesYep, anybody's a fool for trying to predict what they can't see and have no control over.

baleineau
Apr 8th, 2005, 02:59 AM
conchita and kuznetsova?

so, you think Svetlana might reach 30+ titles, play as a top-pro for 17 years, be ranked a solid 3-10 for a decade, win Wimbledon, build up more than 700 wins, take home 5 Fed Cups, play in three olympics and win medals.....

i'm not knocking Svetlana.....it's just that even if she does not win another Slam, she's gonna have to perform at a really high level for another 10 years.

I suspect Svetlana is capable of winning another 2-3 Slams to be honest. She seems really committed, not distracted, powerful, and genuinely all-court. An ASV in many ways, with more power, if less appeal.

Personally, I think Myskina has less potential. I've never really seen an awesome display of top-class tennis from her on the big stage when up against the best. She won Roland Garros because everyone seemed to fold at the end. And, yes, she has the game to be a consistent threat to the top players (like MJF or Maleeva F), and coul deasily be top-10 for another 5+ years, I don't think she'll go further, in which case the Majoli comparison could be right.

As others have said, Majoli was doing a lot of good things on tour between 1993-1998, was an established top-10 player, thrived indoors, got hot at a Slam......she was certainly a Slam-winner player, as was Conchita. The only problem was, in the era they peaked in, there happened to be 1-2 players who were extremely dominant (Steffi/Monica) who basically shut everyone else out for almost 10 years.

In the last 2-3 years, there has not been 1-2 exceptionally good, totally dominant players, through combination of injury, illness, pressure. This has meant that lesser players have broken through.

You can't compare players across eras this superficially - the circumstances were different. Maria could burn out like Jennifer and Anna. Or she could become a Steffi.

mishar
Apr 8th, 2005, 03:55 AM
i think you're underestimating Svetlana. She's still young -- the youngest in the top 20 besides Maria. She's got a very complete game and clearly, at least once, had the fortitude to play well in the big moment. That says a lot about a player. She's in a slump right now but she has great speed, a great serve, great groundstrokes.

Having said that, there are a lot of good WTA players these days. Any one of at least 10 women could realistically win a slam.

uNIVERSEmAN
Apr 8th, 2005, 03:58 AM
miskina has reached her potential already.

LUIS9
Apr 8th, 2005, 04:51 AM
Universeman, I believe we have to agree! Unfortunately! Shes a very good player though, love that backhand, but one shot plus good defense skills doesnt make you a multiple grand slam winner.

ys
Apr 8th, 2005, 04:58 AM
miskina has reached her potential already.

We hear it every year since 2002 when Wertheim first predicted her rise..

Dawn Marie
Apr 8th, 2005, 05:05 AM
Sveta has real game infact people are stupid for overlooking this Russian especially when her game is clearly alot cleaner and loaded with more variety than Maria Sharapova and Myskina!!

Why do people who claim to know and love tennis actually knock Sveta as the forth or fifth best Russian?? I think tennis wise her game is more formidable than Maria's and alot of up'n coming Russian players???

vogus
Apr 8th, 2005, 05:15 AM
as in see myskina and kuz remaining one slam wonders like majoli and martinez. like majoli, myskina will struggle to stay in top ten and reach latter stages of GS (majoli had one win and one QF), kuznetsova will be more of a 'playa' but never replicate us 2005

they're the 2 russian there at the right time and place to take advantage of the absence/poor form of the best 4 in world (no prizes)

sharapova will be in the mix when ranking top ten ever in 5-8 yrs time



what's the point of throwing around these type of random "this player is like that player" comparisons. It's not obvious in either a tennis sense or a personal sense that Myskina is like Majoli or that Kuznetsova is like Martinez.

It's early as well to say with certainty that Sharapova is going to be a long-term top player, although i admit that i wouldn't bet against it.

_LuCaS_
Apr 8th, 2005, 05:28 AM
Don't you just love when posters with less than 50 start making assumptions?
Someone studied the archives and discovered some amazing stuff :zzz:

switz
Apr 8th, 2005, 07:18 AM
yeah that the funniest thing because kuznetsova is like 19, won the US Open, made the quarters of Aus Open loaing to Sharapova in a tough three setter in the quarters and now she is a one slam wonder. before she won the US Open people probably gave her more chance of winning slams than they have since she actually won a slam.

i know she has been inconsistant but that's her game. i don't like her game but it's mighty powerful and when she has it working i think she could easily get more slams because shr will mature as a player you would have to think.

remember she had a match points against myskina in the 4th round of Roland Garros last year so she could have 2 slams (i know you can't make that assumption - although Myriam led her 4-1 in the final set in the third round so she could have a slam as well!!!!!!!! ;)

ceiling_fan
Apr 8th, 2005, 07:25 AM
myskina is majoli, kuz is martinez, sharapova is top dog, and you shouldn't quit your day job

:lol:

F-R-E-A-K
Apr 8th, 2005, 07:34 AM
Whats wrong with Conchi :hearts: 1 slam but around 36 career singles titles! :D :worship:


:bigclap: Sveta has a great game. She is a very good singles and doubles player. Her doubles I feel has helped her improve her singles soo much. Sveta will win a few more slams! :yeah:

Martian KC
Apr 8th, 2005, 07:40 AM
I guess I'm still the only one that thinks sharapova will be the one slam wonder.

Daniel
Apr 8th, 2005, 07:42 AM
Myskina is the best :yeah:

venus_rulez
Apr 8th, 2005, 08:11 AM
hmm...
understandably, the thread is more abour Myskina & Kuzzy (maria is just a supporting star) and yet yuor reply is all about Maria's possible demise in the future......interesting!


Yeah because" Maria is top dog", makes her a supporting star :rolleyes:

tennnisfannn
Apr 8th, 2005, 10:49 AM
hmm...
understandably, the thread is more abour Myskina & Kuzzy (maria is just a supporting star) and yet yuor reply is all about Maria's possible demise in the future......interesting!
I don't think venus_rules was being disrespectful to maria but pointing to the fact that one never knows how a players' future may pan out.
last year after Justine won AO to make that 3 of 4 slams won, i was convinced she would sweep the GS. She had the game, her nimesises were injured or still in recovery and to make it worse she beat Lindsay 6/1 and 6/1 IW finals, on the hardcourt of all surfaces. She looked destined for great things, she still is.
The point is more to not be disrespectful to kuzy or myskina just because they are struggling right now, this is more about them than it is about maria.
watch how myskina plays lindsay and realise that myskina does not get overpowered. she can hang in there with the rest of them.
kuzy just suffered a terrible allegation at the AO, we will never know how that affected her mentally, how hard it is to recover from that.

Libertango
Apr 8th, 2005, 11:43 AM
IMO Iva at her best is/was better than Myskina at her best. Just a shame that Majoli couldn't sustain it :sad:

tennismaster8820
Apr 8th, 2005, 02:32 PM
Majoli was very talented, IMO more so than Myskina, but she wasn't commited to tennis (she was commited when she was young and eager), otherwise she would have more than 1 GS, Myskina trained much harder and that's why she'll stay on the top! Talent doesn't do you much good, it's more about how hard you train and how determend you are!!

Greenout
Apr 8th, 2005, 02:39 PM
yeah that the funniest thing because kuznetsova is like 19, won the US Open, made the quarters of Aus Open loaing to Sharapova in a tough three setter in the quarters and now she is a one slam wonder. before she won the US Open people probably gave her more chance of winning slams than they have since she actually won a slam.

i know she has been inconsistant but that's her game. i don't like her game but it's mighty powerful and when she has it working i think she could easily get more slams because shr will mature as a player you would have to think.

remember she had a match points against myskina in the 4th round of Roland Garros last year so she could have 2 slams (i know you can't make that assumption - although Myriam led her 4-1 in the final set in the third round so she could have a slam as well!!!!!!!! ;)


I agree, Sveta's one of the players that can take down everyone.
Serena, Maria, LD, Justine, etc...

I hate to tell some of you; but she's going to be around
a very, very long time. I bet Sveta will be on tour longer than
Maria.

Spunky83
Apr 8th, 2005, 02:41 PM
Alright...IŽll become a Sharapova fan from now on, cause she will win at least 10 Grand Slams!!! Nastya and Kuzi suck big time, they wonŽt win any futher tourneys.

Thanks lloyders76! You made my day (oh and yesterday and probably my next days as well...)