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lloyders76
Apr 7th, 2005, 11:12 PM
2003 - 7 womens doubles titles, us open runner up, 2 mixed GS titles
2004 - 1 womens doubles titles
2005 - ??

is it lack of a steady, strong partner or is it age (although how much physical decline takes place between ages 47 - 49?)

success on the doubles court has certainly plummetted, any thoughts?

lloyders76
Apr 8th, 2005, 01:29 AM
does no one care about doubles or just navi?

DaNieLa RoCkZ
Apr 8th, 2005, 01:42 AM
Its because she hasnt played with Daniela in the last few tournaments... i dont know why... i thought they were supposed to play together all year :confused:

Philbo
Apr 8th, 2005, 02:10 AM
Martina and Daniela split on good terms with each other due to the fact that Daniela's coach would not allow Martina and her to practise together as a doubles team.

Martina has had a disapointing year so far but I dont think its time to panic.

In the only grand slam her and Daniela got to the Quarter FInals and lost to the eventual champions..Nothing to be ashamed about there.

She needs to find a regular partner. Last year her and Lisa didnt gell together as a team but were still able to make the semis of wimbledon and could have gotten to the final..

In mixed doubles at the Oz Open Martina got to the semi finals with Max Mirnyi and lost in the 3rd set super tie break 10-8. It couldnt have been any closer..

I wish she had better results so far but Im not too concerned.. Just having her around playing is a bonus so I dont let my expectations get too high but I do hope her results start to improve starting with Amelia Island!

Oneofakind0490
Apr 8th, 2005, 02:15 AM
Martina just hasn't found a good partner lately. Most of the younger palyers dont know how to play doubles well either. I say Pam should come back and Martina and Pam can show these teams how to win.

LeRoy.
Apr 8th, 2005, 02:16 AM
I wish she starts playing with Paes again. I loved watching them play together and they won a few mixed GS titles.I hope they win the mixed at Wimbledon this year.

freemartha22
Apr 8th, 2005, 02:17 AM
Czechfan please do not be offended. I write this with all due respect to Martina...Martina likely would have lost 1st round at the AO however benefitted from Petrova/Shaughnessy withdrawing (if my memory serves me correctly). Regardless of who Martina's partner is, the team struggles because Martina's serve is too weak to compete with these girls. They tee off on her serve as it comes in the mid-80s....on a good day!

My guess is that Martina will likely struggle all year to go deep in any tournament. This week at AI they will benefit from a weak draw and she will benefit having Molik's huge serve to help her out and enable her to poach, etc. I do not see any women's doubles slam titles this year for MN. Mixed- well, Leander is amazing and can take over out there however I don't see it happening.

I think Martina should call it a day and not destroy her legacy.

thelittlestelf
Apr 8th, 2005, 02:23 AM
Czechfan please do not be offended. I write this with all due respect to Martina...Martina likely would have lost 1st round at the AO however benefitted from Petrova/Shaughnessy withdrawing (if my memory serves me correctly). Regardless of who Martina's partner is, the team struggles because Martina's serve is too weak to compete with these girls. They tee off on her serve as it comes in the mid-80s....on a good day!

My guess is that Martina will likely struggle all year to go deep in any tournament. This week at AI they will benefit from a weak draw and she will benefit having Molik's huge serve to help her out and enable her to poach, etc. I do not see any women's doubles slam titles this year for MN. Mixed- well, Leander is amazing and can take over out there however I don't see it happening.

I think Martina should call it a day and not destroy her legacy.I really don't see hower ler legacy can be destroyed by her still playing? Honestly, if she still loves the game, why shouldn't she play?

I really don't see what the big deal is about it.

cartmancop
Apr 8th, 2005, 02:45 AM
As long as she can keep up in the rankings, she should continue playing b/c she's earning it. The only reason I would see for her to quit was if she started playing really lousy & was simply receiving WCs into every event, which she's not. I don't think she'll play much longer, I wish she'd coach some young player & turn them into a champion...kind of like what I think Evert?? is doing with some young girl whose name I can't remember.

uNIVERSEmAN
Apr 8th, 2005, 03:31 AM
the only audience for doubles is for people with grounds passes who want lots of leg room.

Chunchun
Apr 8th, 2005, 03:54 AM
she doesn't have a good partner ;)

Zummi
Apr 8th, 2005, 04:44 AM
With a serve as bad as Martina's, she is still ranked in the top 20.:eek:

And with a regular partner who complements her game well - that's where she'll stay :worship:

Philbo
Apr 8th, 2005, 05:40 AM
Czechfan please do not be offended. I write this with all due respect to Martina...Martina likely would have lost 1st round at the AO however benefitted from Petrova/Shaughnessy withdrawing (if my memory serves me correctly). Regardless of who Martina's partner is, the team struggles because Martina's serve is too weak to compete with these girls. They tee off on her serve as it comes in the mid-80s....on a good day!

My guess is that Martina will likely struggle all year to go deep in any tournament. This week at AI they will benefit from a weak draw and she will benefit having Molik's huge serve to help her out and enable her to poach, etc. I do not see any women's doubles slam titles this year for MN. Mixed- well, Leander is amazing and can take over out there however I don't see it happening.

I think Martina should call it a day and not destroy her legacy.

Not offended at all! :)

There have been moments where Ive watched Martina this year and Ive cringed at her service speed also.. But on a good day Martina can place her serve wherever she wants it and its sold enough to get her through most matches til at least the semis of the big tournaments - but after that, she does struggle..

Re Shaughnessy/Petrova pulling out - you have a point there, but that was an awfully unlucky draw... But what was encouraging is that they really did take good advantage of the draw and made it through the the QF's beating the # 14 seeds along the way without losing a set..

She has had some bad luck this year also - playing with Groenefeld who hurt her ankle in the first game, with Schiavone, Franscesca had bad blisters on her feet which hurt their performance and Martina herself had to miss a couple of tournaments through hurting her back..

So my point is that its not a great year at all by Martina's standards, but her ranking is still in the Top 15 and its not time to panic just yet.. wait til after wimbledon...

One more point, Martina could play and lose first round every match for the rest of the year, and still, her legacy wouldnt even be tarnished. She doesnt have a THING to prove. Everything is a bonus, i dont see her as being under any pressure whatsoever to protect her legacy.

switz
Apr 8th, 2005, 06:07 AM
i'm prepared to cut her some lack about not winning tournaments every week for one simple reason - the women she is nearly 50!!

the fact that she is still playing and winning matches and ranked in the top 20 is easily enough reason for her to continue for as long as she wants IMO.

i really don't see how her legacy can destroyed by losing a few doubles matches at this stage. if she came back and played a full schedule of singles then i think it might tarnish her career but the fact is that although her achievements in doubles are simply amazing, it's not what she's remembered for abd you take her doubles career away and she still goes down as one of the greatest players ever.

tennnisfannn
Apr 8th, 2005, 09:15 AM
She needs a new coach, perhaps has the wrong technique or maybe she needs to focus on tennis instead of doing commentary and running interviews all day long. the rest of the tour has caught up and who knows if she had sharapova's work ethic, she wouldn't be in decline!:devil:

tennislover
Apr 8th, 2005, 09:29 AM
this is all i want to say about Martina:
:hearts: :hearts: :hearts: :hearts: :hearts: :hearts: :hearts: :hearts: :hearts: :hearts:
:kiss: :kiss: :kiss: :kiss: :kiss: :kiss: :kiss: :kiss: :kiss: :kiss:

stenen
Apr 8th, 2005, 09:35 AM
I think it's amazing that she's still out there being so fit and playing so well. :hatoff:
I don't see her legacy can be destroyed because of few lost matches today. It has too deep roots in a tennis history. Go Martina!

tennislover
Apr 8th, 2005, 09:43 AM
I think it's amazing that she's still out there being so fit and playing so well. :hatoff:
I don't see her legacy can be destroyed because of few lost matches today. It has too deep roots in a tennis history. Go Martina!

:worship: :kiss: :wavey:

stenen
Apr 8th, 2005, 09:51 AM
:worship: :kiss: :wavey:
Oh Gio! :kiss:

I forgot to add one more thing. Look at her when she's playing. She truly loves her sport and the way she enjoys being on court is something really remarkable. Of course this enjoyment can be seen in other players too but not in the same extend as with Martina.

tennislover
Apr 8th, 2005, 10:44 AM
Oh Gio! :kiss:

I forgot to add one more thing. Look at her when she's playing. She truly loves her sport and the way she enjoys being on court is something really remarkable. Of course this enjoyment can be seen in other players too but not in the same extend as with Martina.


totally true..... :worship:

jrm
Apr 8th, 2005, 12:06 PM
She is close to 50 .. what did you expct???

martinafan
Apr 8th, 2005, 12:57 PM
well i think she could do well this week with Alicia...they have a pretty good shot at making the final (ok, so the draw has opened up VERY nicely for them! ;) )

Brinyi
Apr 8th, 2005, 01:16 PM
She's that damned good.

Szymanowski
Apr 8th, 2005, 01:18 PM
She should team up with Cara Black. I'd like to see that.

And maybe Bjorkmann, Myrni or Woodbridge for the doubles :D

Shonami Slam
Apr 8th, 2005, 03:25 PM
she can play with anyone, anyday on any surface and still be lovely to watch.
sure, she might lose - but she's fun and humorous and likes to joke around with the girls.

you wouldn't see a competetive player act that way
you have to be older and more mature to understand that you are so lucky to play a game! yes - tennis is a game! make good enough money (to say the least) and have that much fun on court with someone. appriciating shots together, trying out stuff. it's so usual to hear that she tells her opponents to try something new against her - she's a gifted person, and she loves giving it out to other people as well.
as long as she's fit enough (and yes, she can beat any of our moms in anything anyday) she's a bonus for the girls, the tour and life.
where else can you read about 50 year olds winning tournies and reaching finals on a regular basis?
she's a joy to the sport.

alfajeffster
Apr 8th, 2005, 03:41 PM
...One more point, Martina could play and lose first round every match for the rest of the year, and still, her legacy wouldnt even be tarnished. She doesnt have a THING to prove. Everything is a bonus, i dont see her as being under any pressure whatsoever to protect her legacy.

Well said- and I couldn't agree more. It does have to be factored in though that as with any great champion, the game stands still for no one. I think in the past two years, the top women's doubles players have had a chance to look at the Navratilova lefty serve and volley, one-two punch, and have made the necessary adjustments to be able to keep constant pressure on Navi to come up with the spectacular plays, match in and match out. As a lefty, she has (like many other lefties, but not all) relied heavily on that serve spinning the opponent out of position, especially in doubles on the ad court to primarily two-handed backhand returns, and has used this to her great advantage. Before Martina's most recent success, there was no one who had this very effective weapon. It was only a matter of time before the top girls got onto it and the teamwork overcame the primary Navratilova weapon through good coaching and, more importantly, execution. It'll be a sad day when Martina finally does hang up her racquet from the big time. On a better note, I get the feeling she loves to play so much (like me at a totally different level), that as long as the doctor says it's okay, she'll always be playing tennis somewhere.

ezekiel
Apr 8th, 2005, 05:13 PM
She should hang it up

kosmikgroove
Apr 8th, 2005, 06:38 PM
The 2 Martina's should play doubles together! Can you imagine what they would accomplish on court?!

Shonami Slam
Apr 8th, 2005, 07:36 PM
i really wanted a martina/martina VS navratilova/clistjers
navratilova/hingis VS gabriela/elke that is.
just wanted to see the comentators suffer a bit, you know?
or - elena/elena VS elena/eleni.
you could also go for anna/anna VS ana/anna and maria/maria VS maria/maria.
so many fun doubles :)