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tennisjunky
Apr 7th, 2005, 04:30 AM
use this thread to post any interesting facts, records, or achievements that have to do with clay.

tennisjunky
Apr 7th, 2005, 04:31 AM
monica seles is the youngest french open champion, 16 years and 6 months

tennisjunky
Apr 7th, 2005, 04:33 AM
chris evert won 125 straight matches on clay, the longest winning streak on any single surface :eek: :eek:

PointBlank
Apr 7th, 2005, 04:51 AM
Serena started her "Serena Slam" on clay at RG.

uNIVERSEmAN
Apr 7th, 2005, 04:57 AM
chris evert won 125 straight matches on clay, the longest winning streak on any single surface :eek: :eek:

pre-natrilova?

Sir Stefwhit
Apr 7th, 2005, 05:10 AM
Steffi, Monica, Justine, Arantxa, and Chris Evert- their first of many slams all got started at Roland Garros.

uNIVERSEmAN
Apr 7th, 2005, 05:10 AM
fact: clay is easier on the knees.

Sir Stefwhit
Apr 7th, 2005, 05:13 AM
Most matches played at Roland Garros- Steffi Graf (97)

Most matches won at Roland Garros- Steffi Graf (87)

Most matches won consecutively at Roland Garros- Chris Evert (29)

JenFan75
Apr 7th, 2005, 05:20 AM
Anastasia Myskina was the first Russian woman to ever win a grand slam, done on clay at RG.

slice
Apr 7th, 2005, 06:12 AM
conchi is lethal on clay :hearts: ( despite the loss 2day tho ;) )

Sir Stefwhit
Apr 7th, 2005, 06:18 AM
Top 10 (plus Kim and JuJu) Clay Career Winning Percentage rankings:

1. Venus Williams (.8172)
2. Justine Henin (.8170)
3. Serena Williams (.7887)
4. Vera Zvonareva (.7702)
5. Kim Clijsters (.7741)
6. Lindsay Davenport (.7593)
7. Svetlana Kuznetsova (.7230)
8. Maria Sharapova (.7222)
9. Anastasia Myskina (.6410)
10. Elena Dementieva (.6235)
11. Alicia Molik (.4727) ... :eek:

switz
Apr 7th, 2005, 06:29 AM
Patty Schnyder won her first grand slam at the 2005 Roland Garros title defeating Chanda Rubin in the final. She was the first Swiss women to win the title.

Schnyder and Rubin also took the doubles title defeating Myriam Casanova and Iveta Benesova 0-6, 7-6(12), 22-20 in the longest ever women's doubles match on clay.

ceiling_fan
Apr 7th, 2005, 06:32 AM
clay is red

samn
Apr 7th, 2005, 06:37 AM
1. Steffi Graf had one of the all-time great clay seasons in 1987 sweeping almost the entire lot: Hilton Head (Family Circle Cup), Amelia Island, Berlin (German Open), Rome (Italian Open), Roland Garros (French Open), and Hamburg (Citizen Cup).

2. After Tracy Austin snapped Chris Evert's 125 match winning streak on clay in 1979, Evert calmly went ahead and started another streak losing only one match on clay in the next three years!

3. Evert and Graf are the only two players to have won each of the five big clay events still being played today (French, Italian, German, Hilton Head, Amelia) at least once. There's a group of elite players who're all missing at least one of these from their collection:
Navratilova: Rome
Sanchez-Vicario: Rome
Seles: Hilton Head
Pierce: Berlin
Martinez: Roland Garros

Sir Stefwhit
Apr 7th, 2005, 07:21 AM
The youngest double player to win Roland Garros- Martina Hingis (17 years, 4 months)

WIMBLY2004
Apr 7th, 2005, 07:40 AM
Top 10 (plus Kim and JuJu) Clay Career Winning Percentage rankings:

1. Venus Williams (.8172)
2. Justine Henin (.8170)
3. Serena Williams (.7887)
4. Vera Zvonareva (.7702)
5. Kim Clijsters (.7741)
6. Lindsay Davenport (.7593)
7. Svetlana Kuznetsova (.7230)
8. Maria Sharapova (.7222)
9. Anastasia Myskina (.6410)
10. Elena Dementieva (.6235)
11. Alicia Molik (.4727) ... :eek:

Where did you get the rankings? Because they are different from the rankings in the WTA website.

http://www.wtatour.com/global/pdfs/rankings/2005/life_clay_sgl.pdf

switz
Apr 7th, 2005, 07:47 AM
clay is red

i think it should be called orangy-red clay.

Chunchun
Apr 7th, 2005, 08:16 AM
clay is red

:rolls:

Chunchun
Apr 7th, 2005, 08:17 AM
LenaD is the first Russian women to reach a GS Final (RG) after 30 yrs ago Olga Morozova

Foot's Fingers
Apr 7th, 2005, 08:19 AM
clay is red


lol the most interesting and not well known to people fact :angel:

Brαm
Apr 7th, 2005, 08:21 AM
Kim Clijsters was the only player to be unbeaten on CLAY in 2004 :worship:

jimbo mack
Apr 7th, 2005, 08:45 AM
steffi graf won her last grandslam on clay, french open 1999 :worship:

Staticbeef
Apr 7th, 2005, 09:38 AM
Top 10 (plus Kim and JuJu) Clay Career Winning Percentage rankings:

1. Venus Williams (.8172)
2. Justine Henin (.8170)
3. Serena Williams (.7887)
4. Vera Zvonareva (.7702)
5. Kim Clijsters (.7741)
6. Lindsay Davenport (.7593)
7. Svetlana Kuznetsova (.7230)
8. Maria Sharapova (.7222)
9. Anastasia Myskina (.6410)
10. Elena Dementieva (.6235)
11. Alicia Molik (.4727) ... :eek:

:bounce: :bounce: Vee=Clay Queen :bounce: :bounce: :wavey:

jonny84
Apr 7th, 2005, 10:03 AM
Flavia Penneta is unbeaten on clay this year and holds a 10-0 win loss record on it this year. :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

Julia1968
Apr 7th, 2005, 10:37 AM
Most matches played at Roland Garros- Steffi Graf (97)

Most matches won at Roland Garros- Steffi Graf (87)

Most matches won consecutively at Roland Garros- Chris Evert (29)

Most won French Opens: Chris Evert (7)

Julia1968
Apr 7th, 2005, 10:41 AM
1. Steffi Graf had one of the all-time great clay seasons in 1987 sweeping almost the entire lot: Hilton Head (Family Circle Cup), Amelia Island, Berlin (German Open), Rome (Italian Open), Roland Garros (French Open), and Hamburg (Citizen Cup).

2. After Tracy Austin snapped Chris Evert's 125 match winning streak on clay in 1979, Evert calmly went ahead and started another streak losing only one match on clay in the next three years!

3. Evert and Graf are the only two players to have won each of the five big clay events still being played today (French, Italian, German, Hilton Head, Amelia) at least once. There's a group of elite players who're all missing at least one of these from their collection:
Navratilova: Rome
Sanchez-Vicario: Rome
Seles: Hilton Head
Pierce: Berlin
Martinez: Roland Garros

#2 should be changed to #1. No one in men's and women's tennis history was as great as Evert on clay.

Julia1968
Apr 7th, 2005, 10:42 AM
pre-natrilova?

NO. Navratilova was an active player at the time.

Spunky83
Apr 7th, 2005, 10:51 AM
Known as the toughest surface to play on...it just takes longer to play;)

Oh! and you can slide on clay (exception: Kim Clijsters, she slides on everything :lol:)

ivanovic
Apr 7th, 2005, 11:05 AM
Clay gets your shorts dirty

controlfreak
Apr 7th, 2005, 11:19 AM
Clay should be stored in a cool dry place out of reach of children.

Clay tastes bad.

Cassius Clay was the original name of Muhammed Ali. He was a lousy tennis player and never won Roland Garros.

azza
Apr 7th, 2005, 11:21 AM
Clay is orange.

ceiling_fan
Apr 7th, 2005, 11:22 AM
Clay was a really bad singer on American Idol.

Clay liked to play Solitaire

Darop.
Apr 7th, 2005, 11:23 AM
Nancy Loeffler Caro has never lost a match on clay (or played one for that matter).

Lemonskin.
Apr 7th, 2005, 11:36 AM
Clay is fun to mould

Andy T
Apr 7th, 2005, 12:26 PM
NO. Navratilova was an active player at the time.

Indeed. Martina did not beat Chrissie on clay until 1984 in their 8th encounter on the stuff. Chrissie ended up with a decisive 11-3 lead over Martina on clay, the only surface on which she holds the advantage over Martina.

SelesFan70
Apr 7th, 2005, 12:58 PM
chris evert won 125 straight matches on clay, the longest winning streak on any single surface :eek: :eek:

:bowdown:

SelesFan70
Apr 7th, 2005, 01:05 PM
American Idol runner-up Clay Aiken is rumored to be gay... :tape:

volta
Apr 7th, 2005, 01:07 PM
Clay was a really bad singer on American Idol.

Clay liked to play Solitaire
:haha: :haha:

Fantastic
Apr 7th, 2005, 02:58 PM
Prior to winning the French Open in 2004, Anastasia Myskina had never made it past the second round at Roland Garros. In the first round, she was a set and a break down against Alicia Molik. She was match point down in her fourth round encounter with Svetlana Kuznetsova, but did not drop a set from that stage onwards, defeating Venus Williams (quarter-finals), Jennifer Capriati (semi-finals) and Elena Dementieva (final) for the loss of only 14 games in 6 sets.

Fantastic
Apr 7th, 2005, 03:03 PM
Mary Pierce dropped a whopping total of 10 games in 12 sets to reach the 1994 French Open final. Her victims included Nicole Provis, Maria Bentivoglio, Lori McNeil, Amanda Coetzer, Petra Ritter, and a sensational upset over World No. 1 Steffi Graf (6-2 6-2) in the semi-finals. Unfortunately for Mary, she lost the final to Arantxa Sanchez Vicario in straight sets (6-4 6-4).

HumptyDumpty
Apr 7th, 2005, 03:21 PM
Top 10 (plus Kim and JuJu) Clay Career Winning Percentage rankings:

1. Venus Williams (.8172)
2. Justine Henin (.8170)
3. Serena Williams (.7887)
4. Vera Zvonareva (.7702)
5. Kim Clijsters (.7741)
6. Lindsay Davenport (.7593)
7. Svetlana Kuznetsova (.7230)
8. Maria Sharapova (.7222)
9. Anastasia Myskina (.6410)
10. Elena Dementieva (.6235)
11. Alicia Molik (.4727) ... :eek:


No good clay courter among today's players.

Graf had .9190 and Seles .8500 on clay. Evert wasn't bad either.
Those were the times ...

SelesFan70
Apr 7th, 2005, 03:32 PM
No good clay courter among today's players.

Graf had .9190 and Seles .8500 on clay. Evert wasn't bad either.
Those were the times ...

Seles isn't officially retired yet. :p

Allez-H
Apr 7th, 2005, 04:03 PM
Clay rhimes with day, hey,play,Jay,stay,lay,may,....:)

HumptyDumpty
Apr 7th, 2005, 04:06 PM
Seles isn't officially retired yet. :p


I didn't say that.
But as we are at it - do you really believe a 31-year-old player will return after an almost 2-year-long lay-off?

BTW, where is Condi? ;)

samn
Apr 7th, 2005, 05:40 PM
#2 should be changed to #1. No one in men's and women's tennis history was as great as Evert on clay.

Oh, my list wasn't in any particular order of importance. (It was just the order in which those things occurred to me. :) )

SelesFan70
Apr 7th, 2005, 06:35 PM
I didn't say that.
But as we are at it - do you really believe a 31-year-old player will return after an almost 2-year-long lay-off?

BTW, where is Condi? ;)

Condi is resting on my C: drive ;) She'll be back in a little bit. I like to rotate my avatars. :D

I think Monica on talent ALONE can come back and be top 10. I am still hopeful until she officially announces that she isn't coming back. :angel:

samn
Apr 7th, 2005, 07:49 PM
Steffi, Monica, Chris Evert- their first of many slams all got started at Roland Garros.

Graf and Seles both won their first WTA title on American (green) clay beating the Queen of Clay, Chris Evert, in the final.

raquel
Apr 7th, 2005, 08:36 PM
#2 should be changed to #1. No one in men's and women's tennis history was as great as Evert on clay.
What about Bjorn Borg? I think he won 6 French Opens in 7 years. He's certainly up there with Chris. Chris is the definite queen of clay though.

samn
Apr 7th, 2005, 09:05 PM
Indeed. Martina did not beat Chrissie on clay until 1984 in their 8th encounter on the stuff. Chrissie ended up with a decisive 11-3 lead over Martina on clay, the only surface on which she holds the advantage over Martina.

Yes, but Navratilova lost only ten games in those three matches that she won against Evert on clay. How many players can claim to have beaten Chris Evert 2 and 0 on clay in Evert's backyard (Amelia Island)?

I'll kick anyone who mentions the travesty that was the 1981 Amelia Island final ;)

miffedmax
Apr 7th, 2005, 09:32 PM
I was depressed after the 2004 FO final, which was played on clay.

There are no public clay courts where I live, even though the soil has a very high clay content. Go figure.

vettipooh
Apr 7th, 2005, 11:10 PM
Line calls are more accurate on clay, since the ball marks are easier to identify.

PointBlank
Apr 7th, 2005, 11:24 PM
clay is red

and green.

Libertango
Apr 7th, 2005, 11:31 PM
Anna Kournikova never won a title on clay....:tape:

Sue Barker won her only GS title on clay, in RG in 1976 (I think it was then anyway!!)
(Ironic, a Brit winning the French Open!)

PointBlank
Apr 8th, 2005, 07:26 AM
Peer,Vaidisova,and Karatantcheva are future multiple winners of RG.

Sir Stefwhit
Apr 8th, 2005, 08:00 PM
Lindsay Davenport has NEVER lost a match on clay to any of the following top players:
Venus Williams, Jennifer Capriati, Alicia Molik, Vera Zvonareva, and Justine Henin

Lindsay has never played the following top players on clay:
Kim Clijsters, Maria Sharapova, Myskina, Kuznetsova... (surprise to see that her and Monica Seles never played on the dirt either)

Sir Stefwhit
Apr 8th, 2005, 08:50 PM
What about Bjorn Borg? I think he won 6 French Opens in 7 years. He's certainly up there with Chris. Chris is the definite queen of clay though.
Borg won 28 consecutive matches at the French, which is a record. His overall record was 49-2, which also gives him the record for man with the highest winning percentage. The person with the highest winning percentage is a woman... Helen Wills Moody was 20-0, which means she has a winning percentage of 100%!!! :eek: :eek:

tennisjunky
Apr 9th, 2005, 11:41 PM
in the 25 year history of bausch & laumb they've never had six different winners for six years in a row. that means lindsay will win the finals tomorrow or sylvia will become the sixth different winner ever the events history.

tennisjunky
Apr 12th, 2005, 10:59 PM
in the 25 year history of bausch & laumb they've never had six different winners for six years in a row. that means lindsay will win the finals tomorrow.
told ya so

here's anoher prediction, maria will be number one after the french open, serena will win her 8th slam, and justine will not win an event until after clay season is over. these aren't facts yet, but just wait.

ASV_FAN
Apr 13th, 2005, 07:38 PM
Clay must be Myskina's lucky surface, red her lucky colour and France her lucky country because boy was that girl lucky to win a grand slam! I'll give her credit, she kept her head together well to beat a terribly below par Venus and Jennifer but I'll eat my hat if she repeats this year or any year in the next 5 for that matter.

geoepee
Apr 14th, 2005, 03:38 AM
Clay is what most traditional dreidels are made of

Sir Stefwhit
Apr 17th, 2005, 02:26 AM
Lindsay Davenport has NEVER lost a match on clay to any of the following top players:
Venus Williams, Jennifer Capriati, Alicia Molik, Vera Zvonareva, and Justine Henin

Lindsay has never played the following top players on clay:
Kim Clijsters, Maria Sharapova, Myskina, Kuznetsova... (surprise to see that her and Monica Seles never played on the dirt either)
Now that Juju has her first win over LindZ on the dirt, I gotta cross her name off that list... to bad it had to be injury related though.

yukon145
Apr 17th, 2005, 02:33 AM
Jennifer Capriati won the longest womens French open final set 12-10. she defeated Kim Clijsters 1-6, 6-4, 12-10

mboyle
Apr 17th, 2005, 04:06 AM
Real Clay Stats (the last ones were false) among the top ten:

1. Justine Henin-Hardenne .820
2. Venus Williams .811
3. Kim Clijsters .787
4. Maria Sharapova .786
5. Serena Williams .781
6. Lindsay Davenport .769
7. Vera Zvonareva .755
8. Jennifer Capriati .728
9. Amelie Mauresmo .724
10. Svetlana Kuznetsova .718
11. Anastasia Myskina .636
12. Alicia Molik .473

Sir Stefwhit
Apr 17th, 2005, 04:53 AM
Real Clay Stats (the last ones were false) among the top ten:
At the time they were writen they were correct, they came straight from tour site. If I did another list two weeks later your stats wont be any more or less "REAL" than the stats I provided. Although that doesn't take into account some of the other differences in percentages you have listed. I'll have to get to the bottom of this...

CJ07
Apr 17th, 2005, 04:59 AM
the difference lies in ITF matches most likely

Justine has played some ITF matches on clay I believe

Sir Stefwhit
Apr 17th, 2005, 05:09 AM
Stats... (http://www.tenniscorner.net/index.php?corner=W&action=players&playerid=WIS001)
Take for example Kim. She has 48 wins on clay with 14 losses, that's .7741 like I originally have listed. Where did you come up with .787 for her? Then there's Serena listed at 58 wins and 16 losses, that's .7837 and not .781 which you have listed. It's probably a matter of one of us getting results that include ITF matches and the other one not using those, any event I take offense to you refering to my list as fake- like I just randomly came up with those numbers.

hingis-seles
Apr 17th, 2005, 07:58 AM
Monica Seles became the first woman since Hilde Sperling to win three consecutive titles at Roland Garros with her 1992 victory. She was 18 years old at the time.

Monica Seles made her failed to reach at least the semifinals at Roland Garros for the first time in her career in 1996. Before that, her record at Roland Garros was:

1989

Age: 15

Result: Semifinal (lost to S.Graf 6-3, 3-6, 6-3)

1990

Age: 16

Result: Champion (defeated S.Graf 7-6, 6-4)

1991

Age: 17

Result: Champion (defeated A.Sanchez-Vicario 6-3, 6-4)

1992

Age: 18

Result: Champion (defeated S.Graf 6-2, 3-6, 10-8)

Record at Roland Garros before stabbing: 26-1

Brαm
Jun 7th, 2005, 10:59 AM
here's anoher prediction, maria will be number one after the french open, serena will win her 8th slam, and justine will not win an event until after clay season is over. these aren't facts yet, but just wait.Ummm.... :tape: :bolt:

moby
Jun 7th, 2005, 11:09 AM
Ummm.... :tape: :bolt:Tennisjunky needs to tell me for sure that Justine has no chance at Wimbledon this year.

Sam L
Jun 7th, 2005, 11:10 AM
Only three women have won the French Open three consecutive times. They are:

Helen Wills-Moody
Hilde Sperling
Monica Seles

No woman has won it four times in a row. Whereas women have won Australian, US Open and Wimbledons four or more times in a row.

In a way, meaning that the French Open is traditionally the most competitive slam for women.

This is further proven by the fact that recently, the last woman to defend her French Open win was Steffi Graf in 1996! :eek: Whereas Capriati defended Oz in 2002, Serena defended Wimbledon in 2003 and Venus defended US Open in 2001.

rikvanlooy
Jun 8th, 2005, 08:51 AM
:bounce: :bounce: Vee=Clay Queen :bounce: :bounce: :wavey:

The official statistics are in fact (WTA) :

1) JHH : 0.849 (only Steffi and Evert have better figures, JHH has the same as Seles)
2) Venus : 0.808
3) Kim : 0.78
4) Conchita : 0.777
5) Sharapova : 0.775
6) Serena : 0.770
7) Lindsay : 0.768
8) Vera Zvonareva : 0.732
9) Amélie : 0.731
10) Svetlana : 0.704
11) Pierce : 0.696
12) Petrova : 0.685

rikvanlooy
Jun 8th, 2005, 09:02 AM
No good clay courter among today's players.

Graf had .9190 and Seles .8500 on clay. Evert wasn't bad either.
Those were the times ...

JHH has 8.49.

So, she is not bad as well.