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Borris
Apr 6th, 2005, 10:53 PM
A question for the Americans/Asians/Australians?

Why do a lot of Americans think (western-) Europe has no morals?

- Is it because most people don't go to church?
- because of socialist politics?
- because of the cigarettes?
- because of gay marriages/euthanasia laws?
- because of Tony Blair?
- because of more liberal attitude toward sexuality?

Pengwin
Apr 6th, 2005, 11:08 PM
I think it's definitely the sexuality thing. In Singapore, oral sex is illegal, in America they have a policy of teaching kids to abstain for as long as possible from sex etc.

In Europe we're basically fed sex, it's always on TV, magazines are freely avaliable for all ages.

Wiggly
Apr 6th, 2005, 11:18 PM
I don't know if I can answer cux I'm not American/Australian/Asian but CANADIAN...

Me, I love Europe, I'm obsedded by that...

Borris
Apr 7th, 2005, 08:16 AM
I think it's definitely the sexuality thing. In Singapore, oral sex is illegal, in America they have a policy of teaching kids to abstain for as long as possible from sex etc.

In Europe we're basically fed sex, it's always on TV, magazines are freely avaliable for all ages.

Wich actually is weird, because the big majority of porn movies/websites is made in the USA.

And teen pregnancies are more frequent in the USA then in Europe as well!

mandy7
Apr 7th, 2005, 08:18 AM
cause they're jealous of us :p

Brαm
Apr 7th, 2005, 08:33 AM
- because of Tony Blair?:haha: Tony Blair, the very epitome of decadence :spit:

-Ph51-
Apr 7th, 2005, 08:47 AM
Are they :scratch:

Mercury Rising
Apr 7th, 2005, 08:47 AM
Wich actually is weird, because the big majority of porn movies/websites is made in the USA.

And teen pregnancies are more frequent in the USA then in Europe as well!
Yeah that's the funny thing, the more you forbid something, the more it will become a problem.

le bon vivant
Apr 7th, 2005, 08:49 AM
I don't find Europeans to be decadent, I think that they are far more sensible than Americans.

Lord Nelson
Apr 7th, 2005, 11:52 AM
Actually the opposite can also be said. Many European blame Americans for being too moral. I'm European & I love the U.S. as it is. :)

Hot 92 Jamz
Apr 7th, 2005, 12:11 PM
:haha: Tony Blair, the very epitome of decadence :spit:

:lol:

I was going to say the same thing! If he’s the epitome of decadence then… :tape:

Cariaoke
Apr 7th, 2005, 12:20 PM
What's with the generalizations?

I've been to Europe three times in the last three years. I enjoyed my time there. The transportation system is a helluva lot more organized than most US cities I've been to. I enjoy the culture. I've had a few things happen that I attribute to ignorance and the same things have happened in the states so I don't hold it against Europeans.

I think Europe is more progressive when it comes to social issues (domestic partnerships, maternity leave, healthcare, etc).

Abstinence-only education is the minority sex education that's only become "popular" because the federal government gives money to school districts who decide to implement it into their curriculum.

American Teens' lack of access to condoms (because our lil angels aren't supposed to be having sex or sexual thoughts), the stigma attached in American society to carrying condoms (girls who have them are considered whores) and the acceptance of teen pregnancy (we have day care in high schools for heaven's sake) is the real reason why Americans have a higher rate of teen pregnancy than Europe, although in the last decade it has dropped here while some countries in Europe have caught up.

fifiricci
Apr 7th, 2005, 12:35 PM
What's with the generalizations?

I've been to Europe three times in the last three years. I enjoyed my time there. The transportation system is a helluva lot more organized than most US cities I've been to. I enjoy the culture. I've had a few things happen that I attribute to ignorance and the same things have happened in the states so I don't hold it against Europeans.

I think Europe is more progressive when it comes to social issues (domestic partnerships, maternity leave, healthcare, etc).

Abstinence-only education is the minority sex education that's only become "popular" because the federal government gives money to school districts who decide to implement it into their curriculum.

American Teens' lack of access to condoms (because our lil angels aren't supposed to be having sex or sexual thoughts), the stigma attached in American society to carrying condoms (girls who have them are considered whores) and the acceptance of teen pregnancy (we have day care in high schools for heaven's sake) is the real reason why Americans have a higher rate of teen pregnancy than Europe, although in the last decade it has dropped here while some countries in Europe have caught up.

What's with the generalisations - you make Europe sound like one country! I didnt realise the UK had such a fanstastic transportation system, direct me to it and I'll sell my car!! :lol:

Hagar
Apr 7th, 2005, 12:45 PM
What's with the generalisations - you make Europe sound like one country! I didnt realise the UK had such a fanstastic transportation system, direct me to it and I'll sell my car!! :lol:

Fi, they were talking about Europe, since when is the UK part of that! :p

Lord Nelson
Apr 7th, 2005, 12:55 PM
That's the point, you can't compare the U.S. with one small European country. The size of the U.S. in population terms can be compared to the EU which consists of poor members such as Poland, Czech Republic, Slovakia etc.. Don't forget those countries when comparing.

Josh
Apr 7th, 2005, 01:02 PM
^^^The population of the EU is about 460 million people compared to 290 million for the USA.

Pengwin
Apr 7th, 2005, 01:03 PM
^^^

Plus there are poor people from the USA as well, not just in the EU

BUBI
Apr 7th, 2005, 01:16 PM
There is a big difference between different states in USA too, right?

Monica_Rules
Apr 7th, 2005, 01:25 PM
Politically at the moment Europe and the USA are so different. In general europe is a lot more liberal but certain areas are just as conservative as parts of the USA(certain parts of southern england come to mind) but then again parts of the USA are very liberal too.

The USA is quite weird actually politically you have the 'coasts' which are quite liberal then you have the inner states and the deep south which believs in very different things. Its a miricle the place can actually continue with such a wide scape of beliefs.

I know most other countries are the same but one thing is usually in the minority in most other contries.Now i'm just babaling.

Cariaoke
Apr 7th, 2005, 01:36 PM
What's with the generalisations - you make Europe sound like one country! I didnt realise the UK had such a fanstastic transportation system, direct me to it and I'll sell my car!! :lol:
I'm talking about the places I've been to in Europe: Paris, Rome and Prague. Their transportation systems are superior to most US cities that I've been to. I'm aware that Europe is not one country. :rolleyes: And the original poster referred to EUROPE and they're presumably BELGIAN. I don't recall them asking why do Americans think BELGIUM is decadent. :)

Lord Nelson
Apr 7th, 2005, 01:50 PM
What do you mean transportation system is better. Many cities in the U.S. such as DC have the metro. The U.S. in general does not have old modes of transportation such as trams or doubledeckers as some of the places in Europe that you mentionned.

rebel_ffighter
Apr 7th, 2005, 01:56 PM
In my opinion,Europeans are very different from Americans.We are more open minded (although they claim to be the "country of freedom") and less judging with people!Even smoking here is not considered to be such a bad thing as much it does in the US(although it should!) :)
However I don't think that Americans think we are people with no morals.I have never heard that they have that opinion for us until I read this threat!

SJW
Apr 7th, 2005, 01:58 PM
What's with the generalisations - you make Europe sound like one country! I didnt realise the UK had such a fanstastic transportation system, direct me to it and I'll sell my car!! :lol:

ROTFLMFAO. where i live, public transport is a pile of shit and since i learnt how to drive i have refused to get on a bus :lol:

SJW
Apr 7th, 2005, 01:59 PM
Fi, they were talking about Europe, since when is the UK part of that! :p

ahh....point taken :o

Pengwin
Apr 7th, 2005, 02:04 PM
Public transport is worse in Britain that it is in China :o

Cariaoke
Apr 7th, 2005, 02:04 PM
Sure we have the metro but is it efficient? At the bus stops in Paris, there was an electronic sign that told you how long the next bus would be. In Atlanta, you'll be lucky to find a bus shelter to shield you from the rain, let alone a sign to tell you when the next bus would be arriving. Also, Paris has so many metro stations that you can't walk five mins without running into one as well as regional trains that take you to the suburbs. In Atlanta, the subway is strictly in the inner city and if you live in the suburbs, there are no other options other than a car. If you miss a bus in some areas of the states, the waiting time can be up to 2 hours for the next one. The way the transportation system is RUN is far superior than those in the states that I've been to. I wasn't only talking about shiny new trains or the hottest equipment out there but how the systems are managed.

I will give MARTA credit, though, they have the signs to tell you when the next train will arrive but their "service" SUCKS.

Aquanetta
Apr 7th, 2005, 02:41 PM
Borris have you met a variety of Americans? It doesn’t sound like you have based on the questions. You’d be shocked then to find out that a lot of Americans say things like “we’re so uptight, why can’t we be more like the Europeans” or “I wish we spoke more than one language like the Europeans”. Sure there are things that Americans don’t like about Europeans but at the same time there are things that Americans are envious about in the European culture.

Aquanetta
Apr 7th, 2005, 02:46 PM
I'm talking about the places I've been to in Europe: Paris, Rome and Prague. Their transportation systems are superior to most US cities that I've been to.

You must’ve had better luck in Rome than I did. I thought their two metro lines (only two for such a big city?) were awful. They weren’t efficient at all.

Pengwin
Apr 7th, 2005, 02:50 PM
The metro in Rome is a bit tacked up but it runs on time and is dirt cheap.

Cariaoke
Apr 7th, 2005, 02:53 PM
Rome was actually ok. I'm more concerned with breakdowns and time. My hotel was centrally located so I could basically walk everywhere without even worrying about public transportation. But when I had to use it, it was on time and got me where I needed to go.

Aquanetta
Apr 7th, 2005, 02:53 PM
The metro in Rome is a bit tacked up but it runs on time and is dirt cheap.

But it’s not what most urban people would call “convenient”. It’s supposed to leave you close to where you want to go. In Rome, you’re told to get off at certain stops but it’s still a hike to where you want to go. That doesn’t happen in most major cities with a metro system.

SelesFan70
Apr 7th, 2005, 03:15 PM
But it’s not what most urban people would call “convenient”. It’s supposed to leave you close to where you want to go. In Rome, you’re told to get off at certain stops but it’s still a hike to where you want to go. That doesn’t happen in most major cities with a metro system.

Washington DC's metro system is the best :worship:

But back to the question...I never thought of Europeans as decadent. I just saw them as more liberal. Then I realized people are people...it's the governments that make the people look ___________ (fill in the blank/decadent/liberal/conservative, etc).

Borris
Apr 7th, 2005, 03:25 PM
Borris have you met a variety of Americans? It doesn’t sound like you have based on the questions. You’d be shocked then to find out that a lot of Americans say things like “we’re so uptight, why can’t we be more like the Europeans” or “I wish we spoke more than one language like the Europeans”. Sure there are things that Americans don’t like about Europeans but at the same time there are things that Americans are envious about in the European culture.

Of course I'm generalising. Probably is the more republican part of Americans that think Europe has lost its morals. I'm aware that politically and moralwise, America is a very divided country. But it's not that I'm inventing opinions here. I just wanted to open up a dicussion here.

And I wasn't talking about whole Europe, only about Western- Europe. If you starting to talk about all Europe, it really becomes hard to generalise, because Eastern and Western are so different.

What I especially find fascinating about the USA are the uptight reactions around sex (the boobs of Janet Jackson :lol: ) and the mix of politics and religion (wich in Western Europe is a compete taboo regarding our history).
But I like the way they deal with cigarettes!

kabuki
Apr 7th, 2005, 03:28 PM
Americans are obnoxious prigs!!! :lol:

fifiricci
Apr 7th, 2005, 05:01 PM
Americans are obnoxious prigs!!! :lol:

Miaow! My experience of Americans is that on an individual basis they are almost inevitably totally charming and have impeccable manners (at least all the ones I met did). Nearly as good as the Belgians in that respect! ;)

Its only when you lump all the Americans together in that big big country led by that moron GWB that they become a tad indigestible ...............

fifiricci
Apr 7th, 2005, 05:04 PM
Fi, they were talking about Europe, since when is the UK part of that! :p

Ooh, I'm hurt now! :sad: Please let me in to your club, I wanna be European! :bigcry:

Sally Struthers
Apr 7th, 2005, 05:12 PM
Well to put it bluntly, a lot of american's don't think europeans are decadent as you put it. They just don't give a shit one way or the other about you :lol:

CC
Apr 7th, 2005, 05:38 PM
I wonder why they smoke so much.

Lord Nelson
Apr 7th, 2005, 06:27 PM
Miaow! My experience of Americans is that on an individual basis they are almost inevitably totally charming and have impeccable manners (at least all the ones I met did). Nearly as good as the Belgians in that respect! ;)

Its only when you lump all the Americans together in that big big country led by that moron GWB that they become a tad indigestible ...............
Bush is a good leader. He has my backing. I'm Swisss/Indian by the way.

SelesFan70
Apr 7th, 2005, 06:30 PM
Well to put it bluntly, a lot of american's don't think europeans are decadent as you put it. They just don't give a shit one way or the other about you :lol:

:lol:

Aquanetta
Apr 7th, 2005, 06:41 PM
I wonder why they smoke so much.

I’m not a smoker but I wonder why Americans are so uptight about smoking in bars but they have no problems with getting behind the wheel while completely trashed.

Rocketta
Apr 7th, 2005, 07:16 PM
I’m not a smoker but I wonder why Americans are so uptight about smoking in bars but they have no problems with getting behind the wheel while completely trashed.

what Americans are you talking about? :confused:

I don't know an American who doesn't have a problem getting behind the wheel of a car drunk. Talk about generalizations....and bad ones at that.

yukon145
Apr 7th, 2005, 07:45 PM
^ Rocketta is very right on this one. i don't know what news they are telling you over there in Europe but here in the US we all don't get wasted and have a grand time driving around drunk. actually no one i knows is ok with drunk driving, everyone thinks its a retarded idea.

CanadianBoy21
Apr 7th, 2005, 08:24 PM
A lot of Canadians like Europeans.
I'm European and the difference is mentality. For instance, here people live to work, there people work to live. Also, people here live to eat :tape:

I'm going next year for 11 months to Germany!

fifiricci
Apr 7th, 2005, 09:07 PM
I'm Swisss/Indian by the way.

Well thats fine, but your point being?

PS: I'm Welsh/Italian/Swedish, not necessarily in that order! :p

Joana
Apr 7th, 2005, 09:12 PM
I wonder why they smoke so much.

Because it feels good.

mandy7
Apr 7th, 2005, 09:43 PM
i've got another question..
why do americans think all europeans are the same?
they seem to think we're one big freaking country
now that's just messed up

Dana Marcy
Apr 7th, 2005, 09:55 PM
Everyone has their own experience about different countries, continents.

As an American what I love about Europe is that people seem a lot less stressed out. When ever I've been out to dinner in different European countries I had to get used to the dinner taking a LONG time and people really enjoy themselves, drinking and conversing. I also liked how clean the cities I visited were compared to cities I've been to in the U.S. When I went to Europe for the FIRST time, I thought it was the greatest continent. But then you get older and you go back several more times (I've taken 9 trips) you notice different things. I'm not gonna bash any country but I do know after visiting several times that America and Europe are more alike than they are different. Also, Europe is a LOT different in 2005 then it was when I first went in 1987. Technology (the internet, for example) changed many things including global perceptions.

kabuki
Apr 7th, 2005, 10:00 PM
i've got another question..
why do americans think all europeans are the same?
they seem to think we're one big freaking country
now that's just messed up

Yeah, but Europe is one of my favorite countries. :p

le bon vivant
Apr 7th, 2005, 10:23 PM
Sure we have the metro but is it efficient? At the bus stops in Paris, there was an electronic sign that told you how long the next bus would be. In Atlanta, you'll be lucky to find a bus shelter to shield you from the rain, let alone a sign to tell you when the next bus would be arriving. Also, Paris has so many metro stations that you can't walk five mins without running into one as well as regional trains that take you to the suburbs. In Atlanta, the subway is strictly in the inner city and if you live in the suburbs, there are no other options other than a car. If you miss a bus in some areas of the states, the waiting time can be up to 2 hours for the next one. The way the transportation system is RUN is far superior than those in the states that I've been to. I wasn't only talking about shiny new trains or the hottest equipment out there but how the systems are managed.

I will give MARTA credit, though, they have the signs to tell you when the next train will arrive but their "service" SUCKS.

I know oh too well...:o Preach!

Spunky83
Apr 8th, 2005, 12:33 AM
I'm going next year for 11 months to Germany!

Cool! Where exactly? As a chinese in Germany with relatives in the US, I can tell you that you will have either a lot of fun with the germans´ love of tidiness or you´ll hate it :lol: have fun, drinking "real" beer!

However...these are my personal opinions about differences between US and western europe (mainly Germany):

- as a person who quit smoking for a few months now, I have to say, I really enjoyed smoke free bars (I NEVER experienced that!)

- Americans love to scream out whether they are republicans or democrats...unless you´re a party member, you just don´t do that over here

- Drinking alcohol outside in the park, on the street on a warm summer night, is the BEST, I remember a (back then 19 year-old) friend of mine who really loved ordering beer and drink it outside ;)

- It amazes me, how religious people in the US are....incredible. My friend actually once asked me if I didn´t want to go to church with them. I kindly declined.

- Root beer sucks (what is that?!?)

- Food in the US generally sucks...seems like you can fry everything if you want

- Although I am born in Germany, I still shake my head in disbelief about the tidiness of Germans...planning holidays more than a year in advance and birthday parties more than six months in advance...and all these paperworks...I hate it! Americans are way more laid-back

- I like the American´s habit to use first names instead of surnames although you have been working together since like forever!

- The US have way better tv-shows! :worship: :lol:

- Conservation of the environment is pretty much non existing...it creeps me out. Why do you serve food on paper/plastic/styrofoam-dishes in a restaurant although the person doesn´t want to take it back home? Eating with disposable cutlery can be tricky;). My mother divides her trash into six different ways: paper, biological trash, glass, recyclable stuff, cans, recycable bottles.

- In the US you can get a full petrol tank for like 20-25 Bucks...my tank would be only 25% full with that amount of money...Oh and it´s not a SUV!

- What is it about weapons for everyone?

...ok, I can´t think of anything else...75% of these things I mentioned can be explained by cultural and historical things I know, but still weird ;)

Hagar
Apr 8th, 2005, 08:16 AM
Ooh, I'm hurt now! :sad: Please let me in to your club, I wanna be European! :bigcry:

OK, you can enter, we still haven't reached the quota of pity Welsh. :p :devil:

Fat Frog
Apr 8th, 2005, 11:11 AM
I think people may feel America find Europeans decadent because a lot of what is projected from America is the views of those in a majority..i.e. the 'deep south' christians. Its those people who got Bush elected and they seem to be forcing their views into the mainstream. I'm sure America is made up of a lot more different people just like Europe, its just that there's a majority of people with the same beliefs who want to control those without those beliefs. i think in Europe people are more accepting of people's differences, not more than Americans in general but more than the Christian deep-south.

As for the transport issue (however it came up within this discussion!) Mainland Europe has pretty good systems..particularly France and Germany and surrounding countries. However NOT so for UK and Ireland. An example: Few years ago i was in Germany..went out for a night out..got a tram home at 5am for nothing (ok well your supposed to pay the montly fee but thats not much anyway) Was out in ireland recently and had to wait about an hour for a taxi who then charged us €12 for a few minutes drive home. Bit of a difference eh?

mandy7
Apr 8th, 2005, 11:17 AM
Yeah, but Europe is one of my favorite countries. :p

okay, that was funny :p

but still, it's annoying man...
i mean.. a dutchy doesn't wanna be looked at the same as a german :lol:

Fat Frog
Apr 8th, 2005, 11:26 AM
- as a person who quit smoking for a few months now, I have to say, I really enjoyed smoke free bars (I NEVER experienced that!)



You have smoke-free bars in Ireland too! Ever been here?

-cata-
Apr 8th, 2005, 02:17 PM
- In the US you can get a full petrol tank for like 20-25 Bucks...my tank would be only 25% full with that amount of money...Oh and it´s not a SUV!

:haha:

I just filled my car this morning $29 bucks, for a small 4 cylinder toyota. 14 freaking galons! :eek:. And the gas keep going up!

My mom's Dodge Durango. $45 to fill the tank.

Mathijs
Apr 8th, 2005, 02:43 PM
okay, that was funny :p

but still, it's annoying man...
i mean.. a dutchy doesn't wanna be looked at the same as a german :lol:

Indeed imagine :o brrrrrrrr :scared:

kiwifan
Apr 8th, 2005, 03:07 PM
dec·a·dent (dhttp://cache.lexico.com/dictionary/graphics/AHD4/GIF/ebreve.gifkhttp://cache.lexico.com/dictionary/graphics/AHD4/GIF/prime.gifhttp://cache.lexico.com/dictionary/graphics/AHD4/GIF/schwa.gif-dhttp://cache.lexico.com/dictionary/graphics/AHD4/GIF/schwa.gifnt, dhttp://cache.lexico.com/dictionary/graphics/AHD4/GIF/ibreve.gif-khttp://cache.lexico.com/dictionary/graphics/AHD4/GIF/amacr.gifdhttp://cache.lexico.com/dictionary/graphics/AHD4/GIF/prime.gifnt)
adj.


Being in a state of decline or decay.
Marked by or providing unrestrained gratification; self-indulgent.
:shrug: seems to be accurate. :hehehe:

Cassius
Apr 8th, 2005, 03:47 PM
Marked by or providing unrestrained gratification; self-indulgent.
True

Being in a state of decline or decay.
False, except when talking about France.

mandy7
Apr 8th, 2005, 03:54 PM
:haha:

I just filled my car this morning $29 bucks, for a small 4 cylinder toyota. 14 freaking galons! :eek:. And the gas keep going up!

My mom's Dodge Durango. $45 to fill the tank.

well, you can't do that over here..
we pay more than you do
and we pay in euro's
we're screwed!

Aquanetta
Apr 8th, 2005, 04:25 PM
what Americans are you talking about? :confused:

I don't know an American who doesn't have a problem getting behind the wheel of a car drunk. Talk about generalizations....and bad ones at that.

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Aquanetta
Apr 8th, 2005, 04:29 PM
^ Rocketta is very right on this one. i don't know what news they are telling you over there in Europe but here in the US we all don't get wasted and have a grand time driving around drunk. actually no one i knows is ok with drunk driving, everyone thinks its a retarded idea.

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Tylane
Apr 8th, 2005, 04:51 PM
French public transports are always in strike :mad: :rolleyes:
Do Americans know this word ? ;)

kiwifan
Apr 8th, 2005, 06:31 PM
Forever Loved and Remembered


With all due respect, isn't this a bit like me posting a list of European murder victims to prove the Euros are really into murder and just get together and have "a grand time" randomly killing people? :)

Aquanetta
Apr 8th, 2005, 06:54 PM
With all due respect, isn't this a bit like me posting a list of European murder victims to prove the Euros are really into murder and just get together and have "a grand time" randomly killing people? :)

You’re absolutely right with your comparison but I was trying to illustrate my point to the two people who said that Americans don’t drive drunk. I’m sure Europe has its cases of drunk driving, too, but this particular exchange was about Americans. Drunk driving, and I mean instances where people or either tipsy or bombed out of their minds or somewhere in between, is pervasive where I live. People care but they’re too selfish and too lazy to get designated drivers and will take the risk.

Tennis Fool
Apr 8th, 2005, 08:15 PM
Surprised no one's brought up the Big Apple's famous Subway :p

TennisLurker
Apr 8th, 2005, 09:45 PM
Maybe because of the negative growth rate, aging population problem.

fifiricci
Apr 8th, 2005, 11:54 PM
OK, you can enter, we still haven't reached the quota of pity Welsh. :p :devil:

Well the price has gone up now that we're Grand Slam champions, maybe the Welsh are too good for Europe now :p . I'm also not sure that Europe is ready for our decadent but stunning national costume! ;)

http://www.welsh-costume.co.uk/images/welsh-folk.jpg

kabuki
Apr 9th, 2005, 01:02 AM
okay, that was funny :p

but still, it's annoying man...
i mean.. a dutchy doesn't wanna be looked at the same as a german :lol:


Is Dutch a city in Europe? :p

mandy7
Apr 9th, 2005, 02:07 AM
Is Dutch a city in Europe? :p

more like a state ;)

Minami
Apr 9th, 2005, 02:09 AM
But it’s not what most urban people would call “convenient”. It’s supposed to leave you close to where you want to go. In Rome, you’re told to get off at certain stops but it’s still a hike to where you want to go. That doesn’t happen in most major cities with a metro system.

Sorry if Rome was built thousands year ago.... so at that time they did not think about the metro system.
You know.... Rome was built in a day....

What about L.A. metro system?
The worst.

Minami
Apr 9th, 2005, 02:11 AM
French public transports are always in strike :mad: :rolleyes:
Do Americans know this word ? ;)

Lol! :D
Italy too! :)
I used to strike when i was in high school.

I guess now American think we are crazy!

Go Italy go! :)

Minami
Apr 9th, 2005, 02:12 AM
Everyone has their own experience about different countries, continents.

As an American what I love about Europe is that people seem a lot less stressed out. When ever I've been out to dinner in different European countries I had to get used to the dinner taking a LONG time and people really enjoy themselves, drinking and conversing. I also liked how clean the cities I visited were compared to cities I've been to in the U.S. When I went to Europe for the FIRST time, I thought it was the greatest continent. But then you get older and you go back several more times (I've taken 9 trips) you notice different things. I'm not gonna bash any country but I do know after visiting several times that America and Europe are more alike than they are different. Also, Europe is a LOT different in 2005 then it was when I first went in 1987. Technology (the internet, for example) changed many things including global perceptions.

I agree. :worship:

mandy7
Apr 9th, 2005, 08:37 AM
we have legal drugs :rocker2:

Veritas
Apr 9th, 2005, 08:52 AM
There are a few things I like about Europe, mainly those luxury German cars and German electronic equipments. I also like French films and British crime show series - but I don't know whether the British truly consider themselves to be a part of the Euro mainland.

However, I don't like Euro music. I'm not a fan of manufacturer pop groups, and I find bands such as Cold Play and Children of Bodom a real bore.

And let's see...if I had to choose between living in a European country or the United States, I'd choose the latter. Gas is dirt cheap, education is mostly good, and I enjoy how superficial their entertianment is (but I still reckon nothing can top British movies and crime shows :worship: ).

mandy7
Apr 9th, 2005, 09:01 AM
well.....that's all very nice....
but.....
we have legal drugs :rocker2:

:lol:

@m@nd@
Apr 9th, 2005, 09:10 AM
im not american, im canadian but i love europeans :)

BUBI
Apr 9th, 2005, 09:15 AM
However, I don't like Euro music. I'm not a fan of manufacturer pop groups, and I find bands such as Cold Play and Children of Bodom a real bore.


I'm surprised that you have heard of Children of Bodom. I find them really boring too, but the way they got the name for the band is interesting :eek:

http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=34689

Veritas
Apr 9th, 2005, 09:23 AM
I'm surprised that you have heard of Children of Bodom. I find them really boring too, but the way they got the name for the band is interesting :eek:

http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=34689

I listen to a bit of death/gore/black metal once in a while, but other than Hellchild and Cryptopsy, I don't follow the genre much. And I guess Opeth is O.K. as well, but I also don't follow much of their music.

Rocketta
Apr 9th, 2005, 10:50 AM
You’re absolutely right with your comparison but I was trying to illustrate my point to the two people who said that Americans don’t drive drunk. I’m sure Europe has its cases of drunk driving, too, but this particular exchange was about Americans. Drunk driving, and I mean instances where people or either tipsy or bombed out of their minds or somewhere in between, is pervasive where I live. People care but they’re too selfish and too lazy to get designated drivers and will take the risk.

r u kiding? Do you really think drinking and driving is a particular problem just for the states but not an issue in Europe? :confused:

No one said Drunk Driving accidents don't happen but you inferred that in general Americans are not offended by the practice and that's not true. The overwhelming majority of Americans think driving while impaired is wrong and don't participate in it.

Tylane
Apr 9th, 2005, 05:14 PM
And let's see...if I had to choose between living in a European country or the United States, I'd choose the latter. Gas is dirt cheap, education is mostly good, and I enjoy how superficial their entertianment is (but I still reckon nothing can top British movies and crime shows :worship: ).

Education mostly good in the USA ??? :lol:
I think it's one of the worse countries for education.

But I understand you'd prefer to live gere, the way of life and the mentality is similar in Australia and in the USA.

Borris
Apr 9th, 2005, 06:49 PM
There are a few things I like about Europe, mainly those luxury German cars and German electronic equipments. I also like French films and British crime show series - but I don't know whether the British truly consider themselves to be a part of the Euro mainland.

However, I don't like Euro music. I'm not a fan of manufacturer pop groups, and I find bands such as Cold Play and Children of Bodom a real bore.

And let's see...if I had to choose between living in a European country or the United States, I'd choose the latter. Gas is dirt cheap, education is mostly good, and I enjoy how superficial their entertianment is (but I still reckon nothing can top British movies and crime shows :worship: ).

Unless you have a lot of money, education really sucks in the USA. It isn't very democratic

Aquanetta
Apr 11th, 2005, 04:45 PM
r u kiding? Do you really think drinking and driving is a particular problem just for the states but not an issue in Europe? :confused:

I'm sure it's a worldwide issue but I isolated it to Americans because at that point in the exchange, we were discussing American behavior.

No one said Drunk Driving accidents don't happen but you inferred that in general Americans are not offended by the practice and that's not true. The overwhelming majority of Americans think driving while impaired is wrong and don't participate in it.

I agree that in general they disapprove but that doesn't mean they practice what they preach. On any typical Friday night at clubs around the country, I'm sure at least half the people leave the clubs and drive home intoxicated to some degree. They're just used to it eventhough they know it's the wrong to do.

Spunky83
Apr 11th, 2005, 05:01 PM
Education mostly good in the USA ??? :lol:
I think it's one of the worse countries for education.

But I understand you'd prefer to live gere, the way of life and the mentality is similar in Australia and in the USA.

Well, most high schools suck but the US have the best universities and actually most of the students at Ivy-Leagues and other top-colleges aren´t rich people, but scholarships-students. It´s what the US stands for: you have to work your way up to be succesful, meaning that there´s a wide range between rich and poor. Of course there are the lucky kids whose parents already made the work for them...

Europe has a comparatively brilliant social system...normally a single parent with three children doesn´t need to work two jobs, in the US it´s not uncommon to have like up to three jobs. In most countries in europe people all have health insurance, in the US it happens that you can´t pay for a surgery or a special treatment, so the main question is: What´s more important? To have a country which has a top managerial elite and a vast number of poor, really poor people or a country where you try to support the poor more than trying to create an elite?

The education-system can be seen as a consequence of that system.

wta_zuperfann
Apr 11th, 2005, 09:27 PM
Europe 'decadent'???


Hi Friends! I haven't visited this site in a long time and it's good to be back.

The problem is that there are a great many Americans who indeed are jealous of Europe. While they do not generally view Euros as "decadent", they view Euros as being overly dependent on government intervention in daily life. Yanks feel that Euros do not subscribe to the ideal of "rugged individualism" and do not work as hard as we do. Moreover, they feel that Euros pay too much in taxes in order to secure government funded services as Yanks all too often see that as personal weakness.

What a great many Yanks fail to realize is that many of the social programs that benefit Euros on a daily basis have their origin in American teachings. It was our Founding Fathers who taught the world that government exists to promote the COMMON welfare, not the corporate welfare. It was James Madison [the 4th president of the USA] who said that it is the unequal distribution of property that is the principal cause of violent factionalism.

Today if you openly say that in USA academic circles or anywhere else you are immediately branded as some form of communist. But the incontrovertible truth is that President Madison said that 50 years before Karl Marx was born!!! This is NOT a communist ideal --- it is an AMERICAN ideal!

When President Roosevelt pushed through legislation that promoted this ideal he was NOT being a communist. He was being a TRUE American by actualizing the ideals under which this great country was founded. Europeans today benefit from programs that would be readily applauded by Madison and other Founders. If Americans would only open their eyes to this truth, they would cease to be so jealous of Europeans!


On a personal note --- I LOVE Europe and wish we Yanks would be more like Europeans!