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UDiTY
Apr 5th, 2005, 09:15 PM
Isn't it kinda strange that in 25 career meetings these two have never played eachother on the dirt:confused:

Anyway, if Venus wins her next match and Lindsay wins her next 2 they'll play in the quarters.

Who do you think clay favors?

I think Venus is the better clay court player and should beat Lindsay, althought Lindsay played amazingly here last year.

Lemonskin.
Apr 5th, 2005, 09:18 PM
Oh, they've never MET on clay :p

For a sec I thought you were trying to say Venus and Lindsay have never played on clay by themselves :p

Rocketta
Apr 5th, 2005, 09:18 PM
hmm, good question? I think Venus is going to take the next step in her evolution back to a top player and beat Lindsay. :D

UDiTY
Apr 5th, 2005, 09:18 PM
Oh, they've never MET on clay :p

For a sec I thought you were trying to say Venus and Lindsay have never played on clay by themselves :p

Sorry I'll change the title:p

Pengwin
Apr 5th, 2005, 09:19 PM
Lindsay doesn't play enough Clay court events. Venus is amazing on clay though, I'm sure she'd win.

SelesFan70
Apr 5th, 2005, 09:21 PM
It will be truly interestnig to see this match-up, if it happens. I think Venus will have a hard time attacking the net on clay against someone with Lindsay's power. If Lindsay can move okay, she can out-rally Venus. If Venus can move Lindsay, she'll win, but that's nothing new there. Can't wait! :bounce:

Jakeev
Apr 5th, 2005, 09:24 PM
I don't think Lindsay has played Serena on clay either. I guess fate has just dictated that.

Until possibly this week.

cartmancop
Apr 5th, 2005, 09:34 PM
I think Venus plays her best on clay @ times, Davenport hates it with a passion.... so I'd pick Venus in 2 tight sets on clay.:)

40-0
Apr 5th, 2005, 09:43 PM
I see a three setters, venus will win for sure, the way she played today was amazing plus shes ready to take this season!! If she wins in two its gonna be awesome to say SHES BACK! plus lets say its gonna be great present for my b-day too!!!

CJ07
Apr 5th, 2005, 09:44 PM
Serena d. Davenport 6-1 7-6 2003 Charleston for the one who asks.

Quite frankly, regardless of the surface it boils down to the same thing. Lindsay will hit everything hard to the forehand, and either Venus will make the shots or she won't.

Basically that's what happens everytime

slydevil6142
Apr 5th, 2005, 09:49 PM
Serena d. Davenport 6-1 7-6 2003 Charleston for the one who asks.

Quite frankly, regardless of the surface it boils down to the same thing. Lindsay will hit everything hard to the forehand, and either Venus will make the shots or she won't.

Basically that's what happens everytime


I agree but on clay those hard heavy balls Venus will have more time to set up for getting her out of defense and on to offensive more quickly.

!<blocparty>!
Apr 5th, 2005, 09:55 PM
Lindsay should have murdered Venus at the USopen, but instead she can't get it into her head, to hit it to the forehand and get misses.

I have no idea what Lindsay's been doing since the final of IW. Hopefully she'll be feeling better losing to Kim (after she treated this Miami field like they stole her lucky pair of underwear from the Indian Wells hotel suite)

This quarter should be good, provided Lindsay can remember who she beat and how she played in the final last year :)

Denise4925
Apr 5th, 2005, 09:59 PM
I think it will be a tough three-setter, but I think Vee will pull it out, not because she's my fav, but because Venus loves green clay. She does very well on it and it allows her to be more aggressive to come into the net. Whereas, I've heard that Lindsay's not too fond of clay. Anyway, one way or the other, it will be a good match. My v-Cash is on Vee though. ;)

Denise4925
Apr 5th, 2005, 10:00 PM
Lindsay should have murdered Venus at the USopen, but instead she can't get it into her head, to hit it to the forehand and get misses.

I have no idea what Lindsay's been doing since the final of IW. Hopefully she'll be feeling better losing to Kim (after she treated this Miami field like they stole her lucky pair of underwear from the Indian Wells hotel suite)

This quarter should be good, provided Lindsay can remember who she beat and how she played in the final last year :)
bloc let me borrow some v-Cash :p

Dana Marcy
Apr 5th, 2005, 10:52 PM
Lindsay's won a few clay court titles so she'll be tough. This match, if it happens, could go either way but I'll give Venus the edge because she's quicker (for lack of a better reason, sorry).

Wannabeknowitall
Apr 5th, 2005, 11:12 PM
I would give the edge to Venus but Hingis always has said that it's easier to beat a Williams in earlier rounds. I really do believe that if Venus played Lindsay at the semis at the US Open last year she probably would have won. Venus and Serena are both a little less focused in the earlier rounds. This is probably the earliest that Venus and Lindsay will play in a Teir II tourni. If Lindsay is moving on clay like she was last year than she wins in straights. If she's slower then it goes to 3 sets. Lindsay probably needs to send a message to Venus now by crushing Kristina Brandi.

K-Dog
Apr 5th, 2005, 11:21 PM
Serena d. Davenport 6-1 7-6 2003 Charleston for the one who asks.

Quite frankly, regardless of the surface it boils down to the same thing. Lindsay will hit everything hard to the forehand, and either Venus will make the shots or she won't.

Basically that's what happens everytime

Actually it was 6-1, 7-5. Serena was ON FIRE for a set and 3-0. Then she began to think about who she was playing, and suddenly it was 5-4 Lindsay, and 30-30 where Lindsay missed a sitter backhand to get set point. Serena was blasting winner after winner against Lindsay until she began to miss. If Venus comes in A LOT, and serves well, than Venus should win. Clay favors the Williams against Davenport, because Lindsay pace is neutral on this surface, while Lindsay's lack of mobility doesn't allow her to get to a lot of big shots from the sisters.

Venus_Serena
Apr 5th, 2005, 11:21 PM
GO VENUSSSSS!
:bounce:

Greenout
Apr 5th, 2005, 11:28 PM
I think it's fascinating!

Cariaoke
Apr 5th, 2005, 11:54 PM
Not underestimating Lindsay's abilities but I think Venus would win 4 and 4.

tennisIlove09
Apr 6th, 2005, 12:00 AM
I think Venus has proved that she's almost back. It would be a good match for her, but I think she'll win, should they face off.

sartrista7
Apr 6th, 2005, 12:07 AM
Venus likes clay better. But Lindsay likes green clay better than red clay, and is in better form. It'll be a pretty important match for both, I think.

serenafan08
Apr 6th, 2005, 12:15 AM
Well, you'd think that clay gives Lindsay the edge because it will give her more time to absorb Venus's power off the ground. Then again, you could say Venus has the edge because she's the more mobile of the two. I think her mobility and power are the keys for this match. If she can move well and keep striking a deep, hard ball, then she'll win. The more balls she gets back, the better. I think Venus will take in three.

volta
Apr 6th, 2005, 12:20 AM
i think that Vee is better then Lindsay in clay but lets not forget that this is green clay wich is faster then the European one. i donīt know it will be a interesting match. Vee needs to start to attack with the forehand as soon as possible so that Lindsay doesnīt start to put pressure in that shot. not only in this match but in all matches players know that Vee strugles sometimes in the forehand if she starts to attack with it players wonīt know what to do

Denise4925
Apr 6th, 2005, 12:33 AM
i think that Vee is better then Lindsay in clay but lets not forget that this is green clay wich is faster then the European one. i donīt know it will be a interesting match. Vee needs to start to attack with the forehand as soon as possible so that Lindsay doesnīt start to put pressure in that shot. not only in this match but in all matches players know that Vee strugles sometimes in the forehand if she starts to attack with it players wonīt know what to do
I agree. :worship: :worship: :worship:

VeeReeDavJCap81
Apr 6th, 2005, 12:57 AM
If Venus plays Lindsay like she played Serena at Miami she'll win. She was running Serena all over the court. Lindsay doesn't run.

volta
Apr 6th, 2005, 01:00 AM
If Venus plays Lindsay like she played Serena at Miami she'll win. She was running Serena all over the court. Lindsay doesn't run.
yeah itīs true that Lindsay doesnīt run but Vee has to be very carefull cuz Lindsay has some lethal shots while in the run but she only crosses the ball though

charmedRic
Apr 6th, 2005, 01:01 AM
I'd say Venus on a good day. If a three setter, then a toss up.

Infiniti2001
Apr 6th, 2005, 01:03 AM
There's always a 1st time. Come on Veuns.. I still believe :p

MrYonex
Apr 6th, 2005, 01:47 AM
I think that Venus would win because she moves better, and has had pretty good results on clay. It would be interesting to watch though!

-Kieron-
Apr 6th, 2005, 02:03 AM
I am gonna go with Venus as I think she is getting her best form back and she is simply a much better mover. Venus in two.

PatM04
Apr 6th, 2005, 02:56 AM
Yeah I know. I made the exact same thread about a year ago and got no response...lol! Good to see you got it going Udity :wavey:

UDiTY
Apr 6th, 2005, 02:58 AM
Yeah I know. I made the exact same thread about a year ago and got no response...lol! Good to see you got it going Udity :wavey:

Haha, sorry. I thought about making one b4 too, but it seemed like the right time since they'll(probably) be playing later this week.:wavey:

LucasArg
Apr 6th, 2005, 06:03 AM
It gonna be weird, to see them play on clay and in a quarter match, where none of them have been really tested, according totheir draw.

I give Venus and edge. She will win Amelia Island.:hearts:

tennnisfannn
Apr 6th, 2005, 09:22 AM
Venus hands down. Generally lindsay has always struggled against venus regardless of surface. remember her wins against venus last year came at a time when even the likes of pierce, raymond and sprem, bovina were all beating her (nothing personal against these players but they aren't in the same league as lindsay). Neither can over power the other but venus can rally longer, get alot more balls back, something kim did so well against lindsay.
Even at her worst, venus kept her losses against lindsay very close. It is not so much as who is better in this match up, but whose games suits who more.
it is not about surface either because lindsay beat both amelie and capriati on that same surface yet they are both great clay courters.

LindsayRulez
Apr 6th, 2005, 09:44 AM
I'm sorry you all, but Venus is not completely "back" as everyone keeps saying. She beat Serena in Miami because she played "LESS WORSE" than Serena. You can't judge her by one performace; she lost a set 6-2 to Catalina Castano who was almost double bagelled by Martina Navratilova last year, and...Venus looked awful against Sharapova. Lindsay, on the other hand, has not been as streaky as Venus and she did win her last year after all playing great tennis, beating the claycourt queen, Amelie Mauresmo.

tennnisfannn
Apr 6th, 2005, 10:01 AM
I'm sorry you all, but Venus is not completely "back" as everyone keeps saying. She beat Serena in Miami because she played "LESS WORSE" than Serena. You can't judge her by one performace; she lost a set 6-2 to Catalina Castano who was almost double bagelled by Martina Navratilova last year, and...Venus looked awful against Sharapova. Lindsay, on the other hand, has not been as streaky as Venus and she did win her last year after all playing great tennis, beating the claycourt queen, Amelie Mauresmo.
since when does a scorelin reflect how a player is going to do in the next round. according to your logic, lindsay who double bagelled a red hot maria should be unbeatable! EVER!
lindsay who scraped through each set last night would not have a prayer against a venus who only dropped one game.
venus did not look awful against maria, she was great, maria was better on the big points,
Why isn't catalina allowed to improve?, wimbledon was almost a year ago, look what six months did to molik. At the same time why judge catalina so harshly, perhaps she was overwhelmed by the occasion, there are not too many active players who have played martina N anyway, remember the media circus that descended on the catalina/navritolova match, remember the pressure she may have been under'how dare she lose to to a 47 year old! There was way too much surrounding that match and for anyone not used to it, that would have been a nightmare!

_LuCaS_
Apr 6th, 2005, 10:23 AM
Will they? :devil:

hartnett
Apr 6th, 2005, 10:29 AM
i think venus will win!

LindsayRulez
Apr 6th, 2005, 10:32 AM
since when does a scorelin reflect how a player is going to do in the next round. according to your logic, lindsay who double bagelled a red hot maria should be unbeatable! EVER!
lindsay who scraped through each set last night would not have a prayer against a venus who only dropped one game.
venus did not look awful against maria, she was great, maria was better on the big points,
Why isn't catalina allowed to improve?, wimbledon was almost a year ago, look what six months did to molik. At the same time why judge catalina so harshly, perhaps she was overwhelmed by the occasion, there are not too many active players who have played martina N anyway, remember the media circus that descended on the catalina/navritolova match, remember the pressure she may have been under'how dare she lose to to a 47 year old! There was way too much surrounding that match and for anyone not used to it, that would have been a nightmare!

jeez aren't you a little testy, I'm just saying my logic for why Lindsay should beat Venus. You have yours which is fine, to each his own...

moby
Apr 6th, 2005, 11:04 AM
Lindsay hates red clay with a vengeance, but she's really good on green clay, and esp. Amelia Island. I think she's won the title twice, and had at least one more final.

WF4EVER
Apr 6th, 2005, 05:50 PM
since when does a scorelin reflect how a player is going to do in the next round. according to your logic, lindsay who double bagelled a red hot maria should be unbeatable! EVER!
lindsay who scraped through each set last night would not have a prayer against a venus who only dropped one game.
venus did not look awful against maria, she was great, maria was better on the big points,
Why isn't catalina allowed to improve?, wimbledon was almost a year ago, look what six months did to molik. At the same time why judge catalina so harshly, perhaps she was overwhelmed by the occasion, there are not too many active players who have played martina N anyway, remember the media circus that descended on the catalina/navritolova match, remember the pressure she may have been under'how dare she lose to to a 47 year old! There was way too much surrounding that match and for anyone not used to it, that would have been a nightmare!

:worship: :worship: :worship: :worship:

!<blocparty>!
Apr 6th, 2005, 05:53 PM
bloc let me borrow some v-Cash :p

No.

VRee_Willario
Apr 6th, 2005, 05:58 PM
I'm sorry you all, but Venus is not completely "back" as everyone keeps saying. She beat Serena in Miami because she played "LESS WORSE" than Serena. You can't judge her by one performace; she lost a set 6-2 to Catalina Castano who was almost double bagelled by Martina Navratilova last year, and...Venus looked awful against Sharapova. Lindsay, on the other hand, has not been as streaky as Venus and she did win her last year after all playing great tennis, beating the claycourt queen, Amelie Mauresmo.
And I remind you that Serena had 11 less Unforced errors than Venus in that Miami QF.
But Venus had 12 more winners and was pretty aggressive! So Venus just made more errors, but was the better one
And Lindsay struggled against Brandi, Venus dropped one game and had 11 Unforced errors

WF4EVER
Apr 6th, 2005, 06:11 PM
jeez aren't you a little testy, I'm just saying my logic for why Lindsay should beat Venus. You have yours which is fine, to each his own...

With all fairness, Castano yes, was probably last year's bagel queen but in Miami she beat Foretz, Suarez and Schnyder, all of whom are considered better players overall than her. She has obviously improved if she got by these three without a bye or w/o, or ijury pullout, etc. However from what I saw of the match versus Venus, she has no game to threaten someone like Venus. Yet by some miracle walked away with a 6-2 set. God knows how great she played that set and how much worse Venus was than what I saw of her in the 3rd.

Also, if your logic is true, Venus would clearly be considered favorite to win versus Davenport because she cleaned Sucha's clock and Lindsay had a bitch of a time with Brandi.

The truth will be told if that match is played, tho

Knizzle
Apr 6th, 2005, 06:15 PM
I'm sorry you all, but Venus is not completely "back" as everyone keeps saying. She beat Serena in Miami because she played "LESS WORSE" than Serena. You can't judge her by one performace; she lost a set 6-2 to Catalina Castano who was almost double bagelled by Martina Navratilova last year, and...Venus looked awful against Sharapova. Lindsay, on the other hand, has not been as streaky as Venus and she did win her last year after all playing great tennis, beating the claycourt queen, Amelie Mauresmo.

Claycourt queen?? Mauresmo?? :haha: :haha:

PatM04
Apr 6th, 2005, 06:27 PM
It will be very interesting to see who wins if they meet. Since neither has played on clay yet this year (excluding the one match both have played at the B&L) we don't really know how they are going to play. I hope that if they meet ESPN will show there match. The problem with that though, is that ESPN only shows the one of the day quarter-final matches and you know that the tourney directors are going to want to put them on the Friday night matches. I just hope that we do get to see it though.

LindsayRulez
Apr 6th, 2005, 06:28 PM
Claycourt queen?? Mauresmo?? :haha: :haha:

ummmm she does win most of her titles on clay doesnt she? Who would you give the title of "claycourt queen" to?

Denise4925
Apr 6th, 2005, 06:42 PM
No.
Geez, that's pretty final and to the point. :p

!<blocparty>!
Apr 6th, 2005, 06:53 PM
Geez, that's pretty final and to the point. :p

I dont trade Vcash for ANYTHING! :devil: ;)

lindsayno1
Apr 6th, 2005, 07:22 PM
people u ARE forgetting that Lindsays playing amazingly in comparison to last year... she aint the same player! Its red clay lindsay hates, not green!

!<blocparty>!
Apr 6th, 2005, 07:33 PM
people u ARE forgetting that Lindsays playing amazingly in comparison to last year... she aint the same player! Its red clay lindsay hates, not green!

Lindsay hasnt really been playing amazing this year so far.

deja_entendu
Apr 6th, 2005, 07:37 PM
LOL @ Venus fans. They always will pretend their favorite is the best :bowdown: even when she's clearly not. :haha:

Lindsay in straights. It's green clay, on which Lindsay plays better than Venus... remember, last year when Venus won all those clay matches, she beat NO ONE good. Not one top ten player. She's overrated on clay for sure...

Denise4925
Apr 6th, 2005, 07:43 PM
I dont trade Vcash for ANYTHING! :devil: ;)
;) You know you owe me for that hard ball playing. :p

VRee_Willario
Apr 6th, 2005, 07:47 PM
LOL @ Venus fans. They always will pretend their favorite is the best :bowdown: even when she's clearly not. :haha:

Lindsay in straights. It's green clay, on which Lindsay plays better than Venus... remember, last year when Venus won all those clay matches, she beat NO ONE good. Not one top ten player. She's overrated on clay for sure...
She is the best, clear as that! :worship:

Denise4925
Apr 6th, 2005, 07:47 PM
LOL @ Venus fans. They always will pretend their favorite is the best :bowdown: even when she's clearly not. :haha:

Lindsay in straights. It's green clay, on which Lindsay plays better than Venus... remember, last year when Venus won all those clay matches, she beat NO ONE good. Not one top ten player. She's overrated on clay for sure...
Kutznetsova is not good? Didn't she win the US Open last year. :retard:

Those Hingis fans :lol: , they always hope the sisters don't win because they have beaten down and forced their favs to retire. :p

Joana
Apr 6th, 2005, 07:49 PM
Kutznetsova is not good? Didn't she win the US Open last year. :retard:

Those Hingis fans :lol: , they always hope the sisters don't win because they have beaten down and forced their favs to retire. :p

:lol:

deja_entendu
Apr 6th, 2005, 08:09 PM
Those Hingis fans :lol: , they always hope the sisters don't win because they have beaten down and forced their favs to retire. :p

:retard:

Right. Venus and her losing record to Martina forced her to retire! Or Serena and her wins against a post-surgery Hingis! :haha: Hingis was so scared of playing them that she faked two ankle surgeries and interviews with her doctors :haha:. That Martina always was smart, huh? :angel:

DA FOREHAND
Apr 6th, 2005, 08:22 PM
:retard:

Right. Venus and her losing record to Martina forced her to retire! Or Serena and her wins against a post-surgery Hingis! :haha: Hingis was so scared of playing them that she faked two ankle surgeries and interviews with her doctors :haha:. That Martina always was smart, huh? :angel:


Not smart enough to make her doctors sign a confidentiality contract, he came out on record saying Martina could play again if she wanted. :rolleyes: :tape: :tape: :tape:

Elldee
Apr 6th, 2005, 08:40 PM
Kutznetsova is not good? Didn't she win the US Open last year. :retard:



I don't really rate Kuznetsova, really.

I think Venus should win and has the game to win but the interesting thing about tennis is the uncertainty and either Lindsay will raise her game appropriately [due to her vast respect for Venus and wanting to win the tournement] or she'll tank 64 63.

G1Player2
Apr 6th, 2005, 09:08 PM
LOL @ Venus fans. They always will pretend their favorite is the best :bowdown: even when she's clearly not. :haha:

Lindsay in straights. It's green clay, on which Lindsay plays better than Venus... remember, last year when Venus won all those clay matches, she beat NO ONE good. Not one top ten player. She's overrated on clay for sure...

LOL...Remember Venus is 2-2 against Hingis on red clay...Also Venus has won 7 claycourt titles on every claycourt surface...How many has Lindsay won?

Denise4925
Apr 6th, 2005, 10:23 PM
:lol:
:lol:

Denise4925
Apr 6th, 2005, 10:24 PM
Not smart enough to make her doctors sign a confidentiality contract, he came out on record saying Martina could play again if she wanted. :rolleyes: :tape: :tape: :tape:
:tape: Dang, I wish I had seen his post before you. :p

Joana
Apr 6th, 2005, 10:34 PM
:lol:

:lol:

Denise4925
Apr 6th, 2005, 10:36 PM
:lol:
:lol:

Joana
Apr 6th, 2005, 10:38 PM
:lol:
:worship:

Denise4925
Apr 6th, 2005, 10:47 PM
:worship:
:)

Tennisaddict
Apr 6th, 2005, 10:57 PM
Isn't Davenports nr 1 ranking on the line this week? If it is she will be extra motivated to beat Venus. Venus is getting better and better though so I think she will give Davenport a tough time. I'd say it's 50/50 but I'm hoping Venus will win in three.

oddkayla
Apr 7th, 2005, 08:44 AM
Clearly, Davenport is the better player. Venus' comeback has taken longer than anyone had thought, Lindsay is the numerb 1 player in the world, Venus 8.

On the other hand, Venus is improving, and she has the abilities to defeat Lindsay. She has done so many times. In this particular match up, if it happens, I think Venus will step up and take the win. I think that she sees an opportunity to jump start her career. I swear its on the 3rd leg now.

I believe Venus has more motivation and desire right now. She will win, in three sets!

jan.
Apr 7th, 2005, 02:13 PM
Claycourt queen?? Mauresmo?? :haha: :haha:
She did win Berlin & Rome last year.

abcd155
Apr 7th, 2005, 02:22 PM
If Venus is wants to take her "comback" to the next level, beating Lindsay would be great. If shes gonna beat Lindsay,this will be the place to do it. But I still think you guys are underestimating Lindsay WAY too much. Even though clay is her least favorite surface, she can still play on it, especially green clay. I'm not sure who would win, I'm just gonna watch and see.