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fifiricci
Apr 4th, 2005, 10:27 AM
Isn't it amazing that not one hardcore Kim fan has started a troll llike "ha ha, nerner, kimmy won and whooped everyone's arse and she's better than your fav" gloating thread! I'm so pleased!! Shows how civilized we are! :angel:

Yasmine
Apr 4th, 2005, 10:28 AM
Isn't it amazing that not one hardcore Kim fan has started a troll llike "ha ha, nerner, kimmy won and whooped everyone's arse and she's better than your fav" gloating thread! I'm so pleased!! Shows how civilized we are! :angel:
If you insist Fifi, we can do it :devil: just for a laugh :lol:

Szymanowski
Apr 4th, 2005, 10:31 AM
:D

Kim's a nice girl, so maybe she attracts nice fans.
well done all of you!
:worship:

fifiricci
Apr 4th, 2005, 10:34 AM
If you insist Fifi, we can do it :devil: just for a laugh :lol:

Nah, why spoil the view from Cloud Nine, its lovely up here, and a Troll Free Zone!

Anyway Yas, you must never forget, we are ladies!!

;)

Yasmine
Apr 4th, 2005, 10:38 AM
Nah, why spoil the view from Cloud Nine, its lovely up here, and a Troll Free Zone!
You know me any opportunity to have fun... But I would certainly not want to start a troll reunion on this thread :p let's keep it nice and lovely :angel:

SJW
Apr 4th, 2005, 10:51 AM
so instead you made a gloating thread about being a Kim fan? right....:angel:

The Crow
Apr 4th, 2005, 10:54 AM
Thta's a first: a gloating thread about not gloating.

Szymanowski
Apr 4th, 2005, 10:57 AM
Thta's a first: a gloating thread about not gloating.
lol :rolleyes: :lol: :lol: :lol:

mandy7
Apr 4th, 2005, 11:11 AM
Kim fans just rock :p

ceiling_fan
Apr 4th, 2005, 11:21 AM
Thta's a first: a gloating thread about not gloating.

:lol:

DelMonte
Apr 4th, 2005, 11:22 AM
Thta's a first: a gloating thread about not gloating.

Too right. :rolleyes: :tape:

Dementinator
Apr 4th, 2005, 11:23 AM
Well from my experience ,Kim fans do not seem the gloating type to to me ,they are sensible and know that tennis is a strange game with ups and downs ,highs and lows ,so gloating is only ever a way to jinx someomes sucess ,Kim has done very well indeed and will continue to do so ,she may have beaten my fave too ,but i can live with that ,its up to mine to learn how to play her and then win ,it can happen.

So heres to the "non gloating" Kim fans ,keep up the good work and stay that way!!

Right then ,i am getting the SS Dementieva over to charlston ,no Kim there !! we could do well!! Full Ahead!!

Lemonskin.
Apr 4th, 2005, 11:44 AM
Thta's a first: a gloating thread about not gloating.
XDDDD :haha:

wateva
Apr 4th, 2005, 11:48 AM
:)

Yasmine
Apr 4th, 2005, 11:51 AM
Well this thread obviously started a funny conversation so keep going!!! :lol:

fifiricci
Apr 4th, 2005, 11:52 AM
He he, just a few troll like replies so far, not that they are very easy to read from up here on Cloud Nine. ;)

DelMonte
Apr 4th, 2005, 11:54 AM
Isn't it amazing that not one hardcore Kim fan has started a troll llike "ha ha, nerner, kimmy won and whooped everyone's arse and she's better than your fav" gloating thread! I'm so pleased!! Shows how civilized we are! :angel:

Yes, because "My fanbase is better than your fanbase" gloating threads are so much more 'civilised' than "My fave is better than your fave" gloating threads.

WTAworld Introduction to Logic 101. :D

SJW
Apr 4th, 2005, 12:00 PM
He he, just a few troll like replies so far, not that they are very easy to read from up here on Cloud Nine. ;)

this was a troll thread. no wonder you've only got troll like replies. :)

xan
Apr 4th, 2005, 12:05 PM
I think the point is worth making that some fans don't see the need to try to rub other people's noses in the success of their faves.

(Still wish Kim hadn't played Miami though! :devil: )

Yasmine
Apr 4th, 2005, 12:19 PM
I think the point is worth making that some fans don't see the need to try to rub other people's noses in the success of their faves.

Exactly! even if Kim had lost and to be fair i thought she would earlier on in the tourney, none of us would feel the need to trash her opponent, whoever it was;)
Well I have to say that on Kim's forum you would have pleased to read that a lot of us (including me) changed their minds about Maria and thought she is a great champion amongst the best;)...

Szymanowski
Apr 4th, 2005, 12:24 PM
Well I have to say that on Kim's forum you would have pleased to read that a lot of us (including me) changed their minds about Maria and thought she is a great champion amongst the best;)...
:hug: :kiss:

The Crow
Apr 4th, 2005, 12:24 PM
Well I have to say that on Kim's forum you would have pleased to read that a lot of us (including me) changed their minds about Maria and thought she is a great champion amongst the best;)...

Well that's easy to say when your fav has just beaten her ;)

fifiricci
Apr 4th, 2005, 12:27 PM
Exactly! even if Kim had lost and to be fair i thought she would earlier on in the tourney, none of us would feel the need to trash her opponent, whoever it was;)
Well I have to say that on Kim's forum you would have pleased to read that a lot of us (including me) changed their minds about Maria and thought she is a great champion amongst the best;)...

Yup, so did I (although I never particularly disliked her in the first place). I think that before she's very much older Maria's gonna be whooping a lot of arses (including possibly even Kim's if Maria gets fast enough to catch it!) :devil:

moby
Apr 4th, 2005, 12:29 PM
Yes, because "My fanbase is better than your fanbase" gloating threads are so much more 'civilised' than "My fave is better than your fave" gloating threads.

WTAworld Introduction to Logic 101. :D

The operative word is "my". Either you've class, or you're smart enough to put your money on someone who wins/ has class. Tennis fans are all about inflated egos. :devil:

fifiricci
Apr 4th, 2005, 12:34 PM
Well this thread obviously started a funny conversation so keep going!!! :lol:

Its certainly developing its own momentum! ;)

hingis-seles
Apr 4th, 2005, 12:46 PM
uhhhhh.....K.

Rub
Apr 4th, 2005, 01:49 PM
:lol:

TM
Apr 4th, 2005, 01:53 PM
Isn't it amazing that not one hardcore Kim fan has started a troll llike "ha ha, nerner, kimmy won and whooped everyone's arse and she's better than your fav" gloating thread! I'm so pleased!! Shows how civilized we are! :angel:

:devil:...and you know you want to :devil: :kiss: c'mon...give us a kiss :cool:

:wavey:

The Crow
Apr 4th, 2005, 02:20 PM
:devil:...and you know you want to :devil: :kiss: c'mon...give us a kiss :cool:

:wavey:

:lol: :lol:

Yasmine
Apr 4th, 2005, 02:29 PM
Well that's easy to say when your fav has just beaten her ;)
Actually I thought that after she beat Venus ;) but you're right easier situation :devil:

fifiricci
Apr 4th, 2005, 02:45 PM
:devil:...and you know you want to :devil: :kiss: c'mon...give us a kiss :cool:

:wavey:

:kiss: mwah!

G_Slammed
Apr 4th, 2005, 03:45 PM
Should she get herself a win over Venus or Serena this year, that's when we will see the gloating threads.

Denise4925
Apr 4th, 2005, 04:28 PM
so instead you made a gloating thread about being a Kim fan? right....:angel:
:lol: Right??!!

Denise4925
Apr 4th, 2005, 04:28 PM
Thta's a first: a gloating thread about not gloating.
:lol:

Denise4925
Apr 4th, 2005, 04:32 PM
Yes, because "My fanbase is better than your fanbase" gloating threads are so much more 'civilised' than "My fave is better than your fave" gloating threads.

WTAworld Introduction to Logic 101. :D
:worship: :worship: :worship: Leave it to fifi to always be original when it comes to trolling. :p

Denise4925
Apr 4th, 2005, 04:33 PM
I think the point is worth making that some fans don't see the need to try to rub other people's noses in the success of their faves.

(Still wish Kim hadn't played Miami though! :devil: )
Oh, like some Maria fans. :rolleyes:

Denise4925
Apr 4th, 2005, 04:34 PM
Well that's easy to say when your fav has just beaten her ;)
:haha: :haha: :haha:

Alfie
Apr 4th, 2005, 04:39 PM
I think the point is worth making that some fans don't see the need to try to rub other people's noses in the success of their faves.

Exactly. Great point!

Some of Kim's fans don't feel the need to disparage other posters' favorites in the same way that Kim doesn't feel the need to disrespect her opponents by discrediting their talent. She gives credit to her opponents. In victory and defeat Kim's been exceedingly gracious e.g., Lindsay (IW) Maria (Miami) Venus (Antwerp).

I think if one's favorite player is so great, then one should let the player's racket do the talking instead of trash-talking other fans.

Denise4925
Apr 4th, 2005, 04:46 PM
Exactly. Great point!

Some of Kim's fans don't feel the need to disparage other posters' favorites in the same way that Kim doesn't feel the need to disrespect her opponents by discrediting their talent. She gives credit to her opponents. In victory and defeat Kim's been exceedingly gracious e.g., Lindsay (IW) Maria (Miami) Venus (Antwerp).

I think if one's favorite player is so great, then one should let the player's racket do the talking instead of trash-talking other fans.
So, has this thread turned into a fan bashing thread, i.e. comparing and contrasting one fan base against another? :confused: Because the thread starter here is notorius for disparaging other poster's favorites. Namely the Williams sisters. So is Kimmie's Boy. I know you said some of Kim's fans don't fee the need, which is true, but this is not true of the very person who started this thread.

Alfie
Apr 4th, 2005, 04:58 PM
Originally Posted by dancing_queen
Well I have to say that on Kim's forum you would have pleased to read that a lot of us (including me) changed their minds about Maria and thought she is a great champion amongst the best...

Well that's easy to say when your fav has just beaten her

If it was the other way and Maria defeated Kim then
we wouldn't have had the opportunity to see how gracious
Maria is in defeat.
So the fact that my fave Kim defeated Maria and despite the loss Maria was still gracious shows that she isn't so bad like some anti-Maria people try to make her out to be. Initially I didn't like her. Probably had something to do with the Seles' like yelling, but I've changed my mind.

Alfie
Apr 4th, 2005, 05:07 PM
So, has this thread turned into a fan bashing thread, i.e. comparing and contrasting one fan base against another? :confused: Because the thread starter here is notorius for disparaging other poster's favorites. Namely the Williams sisters. So is Kimmie's Boy. I know you said some of Kim's fans don't fee the need, which is true, but this is not true of the very person who started this thread.

Well that is your opinion of those posters and I respect that, but I'm just trying to highlight what Xan posted which is that some fans (and I'm not just talking about Kim fans) don't feel the need to make other fans feel bad and I appreciate that.

StarDuvallGrant
Apr 4th, 2005, 05:08 PM
Isn't it amazing that not one hardcore Kim fan has started a troll llike "ha ha, nerner, kimmy won and whooped everyone's arse and she's better than your fav" gloating thread! I'm so pleased!! Shows how civilized we are! :angel:

I guess you were that one unclassy fan :lol:

V-MAC
Apr 4th, 2005, 05:17 PM
It was nice of all us "hardcore" Venus fans too not to have made a gloating thread about how Venus whooped Kim's ass in Antwerp :)

harloo
Apr 4th, 2005, 05:19 PM
Should she get herself a win over Venus or Serena this year, that's when we will see the gloating threads.

:lol: :worship:

fifiricci
Apr 10th, 2005, 10:25 AM
[QUOTE=Denise4925Because the thread starter here is notorius for disparaging other poster's favorites. Namely the Williams sisters.[/QUOTE]

I wish you'd get your facts right! I hardly ever post about the W/S. In fact, I've always respected Venus and I don't think you'll find a "troll like" post about her from me! I admit that I'm not so keen on Serena because sometimes I don't like her attitude and I did start a thread a few weeks ago following an interview I read and a host of Serena obsessives rather childishly bad repped me for what I said, because thats the only answer some of them could come up with. I respect Serena for being the best player in the world (which she undoubtedly is when she's not pissing about), but you can't force me to "like" her (whatever that means) or some of her fans (not mentioning any names :rolleyes: ).

Can't you get some tablets for that paranoia of yours?

Joana
Apr 10th, 2005, 11:03 AM
Kim's fans are very classy. Almost as classy as classy Kim. Their forum is called Classy Clijsters' Lounge. Isn't it classy?

Spunky83
Apr 10th, 2005, 11:51 AM
I am not one, but Kim fans have class and unlike A LOT OF other fan-groups, they won´t do that and I am damn happy about that!

pigam
Apr 10th, 2005, 11:56 AM
I had a classy Kim fan in my class, now she was in a class of her own :)
If I had to class her I would say she was nearly as classy as Kim herself.

Sharapova's_Boy
Apr 10th, 2005, 12:12 PM
So, has this thread turned into a fan bashing thread, i.e. comparing and contrasting one fan base against another? :confused: Because the thread starter here is notorius for disparaging other poster's favorites. Namely the Williams sisters. So is Kimmie's Boy. I know you said some of Kim's fans don't fee the need, which is true, but this is not true of the very person who started this thread.

Denise, I'm flattered. :hug:

We're classy because we take after Kim. :hearts:

Spunky83
Apr 10th, 2005, 12:47 PM
I had a classy Kim fan in my class, now she was in a class of her own :)
If I had to class her I would say she was nearly as classy as Kim herself.

:lol: ...yeah, yeah...I guess I can say that I like her fans more than I like the player...which is absolutely unique. :confused:

Lynx
Apr 10th, 2005, 01:13 PM
Well that's easy to say when your fav has just beaten her ;):eek: - Crow, that's nonsense, you must know that. What have you been eating?


2 examples:

• When Kim beat Justine in the semi of RG 2001, I didn't think Justine was gracious - in fact, her haughty reaction ("I've given the match away") was what first turned me away from her: before that, she was as much my fave as Kim was.

• The same goes for Serena: not giving Kim credit after Kim beat her at the YEC in 2002 irritated me and a lot of other Kim fans (and some Serena fans have graciously agreed that Serena shouldn't have reacted thus :hatoff: ).


Maria, on the other hand, WAS gracious. That's why she got a lot of respect from the Kim base, and she deserved that. :)

Lynx
Apr 10th, 2005, 01:16 PM
I had a classy Kim fan in my class, now she was in a class of her own :)
If I had to class her I would say she was nearly as classy as Kim herself.
Ay, you're sharp.
Be careful - try not to cut yourself ;).

moby
Apr 10th, 2005, 01:59 PM
• When Kim beat Justine in the semi of RG 2001, I didn't think Justine was gracious - in fact, her haughty reaction ("I've given the match away") was what first turned me away from her: before that, she was as much my fave as Kim was.

Maria, on the other hand, WAS gracious. That's why she got a lot of respect from the Kim base, and she deserved that. :)

Well, Maria wasn't up 6-2 4-1 (40-15?) ;)

Experimentee
Apr 10th, 2005, 02:32 PM
This is a gloating thread anyway, so I guess Kim fans are gloating after all :lol:

Joana
Apr 10th, 2005, 02:32 PM
• When Kim beat Justine in the semi of RG 2001, I didn't think Justine was gracious - in fact, her haughty reaction ("I've given the match away") was what first turned me away from her: before that, she was as much my fave as Kim was.


And she was right about that.

sense
Apr 10th, 2005, 02:35 PM
:eek: - Crow, that's nonsense, you must know that. What have you been eating?


2 examples:

• When Kim beat Justine in the semi of RG 2001, I didn't think Justine was gracious - in fact, her haughty reaction ("I've given the match away") was what first turned me away from her: before that, she was as much my fave as Kim was.

• The same goes for Serena: not giving Kim credit after Kim beat her at the YEC in 2002 irritated me and a lot of other Kim fans (and some Serena fans have graciously agreed that Serena shouldn't have reacted thus :hatoff: ).


Maria, on the other hand, WAS gracious. That's why she got a lot of respect from the Kim base, and she deserved that. :)

Awww. Serena and Justine may not have reached such
classy heights as your Kim; but at least they've gotten
to top of the ladder with those grand slam titles.

Lynx
Apr 10th, 2005, 02:40 PM
Well, Maria wasn't up 6-2 4-1 (40-15?) ;)
Well, Kim was up 4-6 6-3 5-2 against Serena at the AO 2003.
She didn't react that way ;).


But that's not the point AT ALL. The point is that The Crow's comment was meant to take credit away from Kim fans, saying that it's easy to admire the opponent of your fav, when your fav just beat her.

Which is, of course, utter rubbish :).

sense
Apr 10th, 2005, 02:48 PM
Well, Kim was up 4-6 6-3 5-2 against Serena at the AO 2003.
She didn't react that way ;).


But that's not the point AT ALL. The point is that The Crow's comment was meant to take credit away from Kim fans, saying that it's easy to admire the opponent of your fav, when your fav just beat her.

Which is, of course, utter rubbish :).

Nowhere in The Crow's post was there any mention of
"to take credit away from Kim fans". :lol:

I do believe he was only speaking about the classy Kim
fans in this thread who can't shut up about how un-gracious
other players are because they won't suck up like
their favorite does. :tape:

MrYonex
Apr 10th, 2005, 02:58 PM
Kim is a humble player and as a result her fans act in the same way. Kim is defiantely the best sportswoman out there because she has so much respect for others!

kiwifan
Apr 10th, 2005, 03:27 PM
Oh, its because they started talking all kinds of dump when she won the YEC and look what happened both Serena and Justine put the smack down on her and their fans put the smackdown on Kim's fans.

I think they know better than to trash talk before Kim actually wins a Slam. :devil:

Hmmm, Kim starts winning and Lynx comes out of hybernation. Let the games begin!!!
:hehehe:

Yasmine
Apr 10th, 2005, 03:28 PM
I do believe he was only speaking about the classy Kim
fans in this thread who can't shut up about how un-gracious other players are because they won't suck up like their favorite does. :tape:
:lol: no comment!

Lynx
Apr 10th, 2005, 03:33 PM
Awww. Serena and Justine may not have reached such
classy heights as your Kim; but at least they've gotten
to top of the ladder with those grand slam titles.
Nowhere in The Crow's post was there any mention of
"to take credit away from Kim fans". :lol:

I do believe he was only speaking about the classy Kim
fans in this thread who can't shut up about how un-gracious
other players are because they won't suck up like
their favorite does. :tape:

Oh dear.
I wonder who you are, and why you are so bitter :scratch:.

You're that cheerful character who tried to badrep me out of the blue when I said in the Justine forum that I thought their forum name was the best one around - much better than CCL. :cuckoo: It was a compliment, dummy - like the vast majority of the smarter Justine fans saw of course. (I also happened to agree with The Crow there - didn't you notice? I often agree with The Crow - only not here.)

My dearest senseless one, your impression of me is totally wrong. I have not the slightest problem with admitting that Serena is the best player around: she is. I have not the slightest problem with admitting that Justine's technical game is one of the best ever: it is. Serena and Justine are both welcome to their titles - they earned them.

I only used their less gracious behaviour after a match to show that The Crows remark here was nonsense. I could have used a less gracious remark from Kim after losing a match (to Justine)... and countless Justine-fans claim they came to dislike Kim after that particular incident.

What only proves my point... again.


Anyway - I'm awfully glad you're not a Kim fan: we've had our share of weirdoes :).

Knizzle
Apr 10th, 2005, 03:35 PM
Kim won IW and Miami, but everyone knows the titles she hasn't won are the slams so it'd be a good idea NOT to gloat because then you'll be reminded of this fact.

fifiricci
Apr 10th, 2005, 04:10 PM
we've had our share of weirdoes :).

And I thought you loved me! :sobbing:

Lynx
Apr 10th, 2005, 04:17 PM
And I thought you loved me! :sobbing:
:rolls: :lol: :D

:) :kiss: :hug:

(Toontje! newbee! - You're not in the same... "class", I'm afraid :p)

Yasmine
Apr 10th, 2005, 04:39 PM
And I thought you loved me! :sobbing:
Everybody loves Fiona :D :devil:

fifiricci
Apr 10th, 2005, 05:41 PM
Everybody loves Fiona :D :devil:

Oh god, don't say that, I might start "gloating" :lol:

Yasmine
Apr 10th, 2005, 05:43 PM
Oh god, don't stay that, I might start "gloating" :lol:
:haha: I can't wait to see that:p

Brαm
Apr 11th, 2005, 07:17 AM
Well, Kim was up 4-6 6-3 5-2 against Serena at the AO 2003.
She didn't react that way ;).
Wasn't Kim leading 5-1 in the 3rd? :hysteric:

The Crow
Apr 11th, 2005, 09:52 AM
Wow Lynx you read way too much in that comment from me lol. I was just trying to say that it is easier for people in general to respect (for lack of a better word) an opponent of your fav right after your fav has beaten her (as opposed to the case that the mentioned player has just beaten your fav). Nothing directed at Kim fans, just that that's human...

Oh and about that Justine comment of you: I can't believe that a comment from a disappointed player after she blew a big lead in her first ever grand-slam semi-final turns you off from her...

The Crow
Apr 11th, 2005, 09:53 AM
Wasn't Kim leading 5-1 in the 3rd? :hysteric:

Yes, which means that she was 5-2 up a game later. So you're both right :p

fifiricci
Apr 11th, 2005, 10:03 AM
Oh and about that Justine comment of you: I can't believe that a comment from a disappointed player after she blew a big lead in her first ever grand-slam semi-final turns you off from her...

Really? I think Lynx, at least, understands that it is just at those times that a person's true character and calibre emerges and maybe he found Justine a tad lacking in that department.

But Lynx can correct me if I'm wrong.

Lady
Apr 11th, 2005, 10:17 AM
Really? I think Lynx, at least, understands that it is just at those times that a person's true character and calibre emerges and Justine was obviously lacking in that department.

But Lynx can correct me if I'm wrong.

Well, Kim is obviously lacking in that department too, yet it didn't turn off Lynx! ;)
Double standarts all the way! :p

fifiricci
Apr 11th, 2005, 10:19 AM
Well, Kim is obviously lacking in that department too, yet it didn't turn off Lynx! ;)
Double standarts all the way! :p

Oh I dunno, I thought it was extremely generous and gracious of Kim to gift Justine those three GSs! :lol:

Lady
Apr 11th, 2005, 10:21 AM
Oh I dunno, I thought it was extremely generous and gracious of Kim to gift Justine those three GSs! :lol:

Hopefully she'll continue that way, and I'll have no problem calling her the most gracious player ever! :banana:

fifiricci
Apr 11th, 2005, 10:23 AM
Hopefully she'll continue that way, and I'll have no problem calling her the most gracious player ever! :banana:

Kim has closed her gift shop! These days she's more into handing out drubbings!:devil:

Tell ya what, I'll make a grown up comment, you keep hanging around in the kindergarten playground if you like.

The year is likely to be different in all kinds of ways. Let's just see how all the players recover or develop and let the results speak for themselves.....

Veritas
Apr 11th, 2005, 10:51 AM
I don't like Kim's style of tennis, but there's no doubt she's a person that every fan and tennis official should be proud of. It definitely would be nice when she wins a Slam - she'll be like Lindsay, enjoying her victory, but also offering gracious words to her opponent as well :)

azmad_88
Apr 11th, 2005, 01:57 PM
Kim has WON..i am soo certain about this:

Comeback Player of the Year 2005!!!!!!!!!!!

Brandon85
Apr 11th, 2005, 02:02 PM
i love kim! i hope she dominates with maria until jen gets back lol.

Joana
Apr 11th, 2005, 03:11 PM
Oh and about that Justine comment of you: I can't believe that a comment from a disappointed player after she blew a big lead in her first ever grand-slam semi-final turns you off from her...

Very true. That was a very normal and understandable reaction. I would have probably been breaking things around that court if it had happened to me.
I would have been disappointed had she come up with "graceful" crap after that match.

Lynx
Apr 11th, 2005, 03:35 PM
Wasn't Kim leading 5-1 in the 3rd? :hysteric:Yes, you're right, of course.

I had written 5-1 at first, but then began to hesitate for no reason at all. Knowing that I would certainly be attacked if I wrote 5-1 and it had been 5-2 (and attacked for yet another issue which had nothing to do with the discussion itself), I decided to err on the safe side. :p

It wouldn't hurt Kim's sake. :)

Lynx
Apr 11th, 2005, 03:38 PM
Wow Lynx you read way too much in that comment from me lol. I was just trying to say that it is easier for people in general to respect (for lack of a better word) an opponent of your fav right after your fav has beaten her (as opposed to the case that the mentioned player has just beaten your fav). Nothing directed at Kim fans, just that that's human...I know your reply was sort of casual. :)

But you DID make it after dancing_queen said to a Sharapova fan that he would have liked the way Maria was treated in the Kim-forum... as an example of how classy we Kim fans really are :p :lol:. Warmth was flowing from Maria-fans to Kim-fans and vice versa.
Whatever your intentions, your comment undermined dq's statement.

And it simply isn't true! That's why I mentioned those 2 examples. You see - in the three cases (Kim-Maria, Kim-Justine, Kim-Serena) Kim was supposed to lose. I know Kim was the favourite against Maria... but Maria just beat Venus (rather easily) - I'm sure she didn't see herself as the underdog (and neither did most Kim fans).
That she nevertheless was so gracious in defeat struck a chord with the Kim fans. It was, err, classy? - and we're suckers for classy :p. Most of us like her now :).

Justine and Serena were far less gracious, and some of their fans are proud of that - they call it fighting spirit :rolleyes:. Didn't Joana say that Justine was right in saying she gave the match away? It's self-centered bullshit, and it's plain disrespectful to the other player. It goes out from the assumption that, whatever the other does, you're better, and thus should win. I don't know about you, but I call that arrogance˛ squared ;).

Lynx
Apr 11th, 2005, 03:42 PM
Oh and about that Justine comment of you: I can't believe that a comment from a disappointed player after she blew a big lead in her first ever grand-slam semi-final turns you off from her...Really? I think Lynx, at least, understands that it is just at those times that a person's true character and calibre emerges and maybe he found Justine a tad lacking in that department.
Of course you're right, fifi - I couldn't have said it better. :kiss:

Joris, I do understand about disappointment. But Justine showed such a self-centered ambition there that yes, it was the first thing to turn me off. (There have been other "incidents", as you know.) I have to be able to like somebody before I can cheer for them - and I see in Justine somebody who would do almost everything for a win. Some may admire her for that, I can't. One can be ambitious, without losing perspective. I think Justine loses (or lost - she said herself she had changed?) all perspective. If it's Kim lack of that bloody-mindedness that wouldn't make her a "true" champ - so be it: personally I wouldn't have it any other way. She's my champ anyway. :)

Yasmine
Apr 11th, 2005, 03:47 PM
Sir Lynx you have woken up this afternoon ;) :p

Lynx
Apr 11th, 2005, 03:49 PM
Well, Kim is obviously lacking in that department too, yet it didn't turn off Lynx! ;)
Double standarts all the way! :pErr... no. You must see the differences, surely?

It would have been double standards if Kim had reacted the same way after the AO semi in 2003 - saying she gave the match away... and if I had condoned that reaction. I'm sure a lot of people will say that she DID give it away: but what she said was that Serena began to play flawless, thus giving her all the credit of the world. Now that is what I call classy ;).

She also didn't seek any excuses for losing to Justine at RG 2003. She just said that Justine was way too strong for her. Although I'm sure she must have been deeply disappointed, no?

I mentioned that example about Kim not always being gracious either to show that even Justine fans can dislike players who were just beaten by their fav :). But the circumstances were very, very different, as I'm sure you know.

Losig a match fair and square is one thing.
Losing a match where there was an incident that could have influenced the outcome is something else altogether (especially against a player who had already build a reputation of not always being fair).

But I'd better stop here, 'cause old cows and all that.


Let me just add this:
Justine has surprised me - I never thought she would come to dominate Kim like she did in 2003. She lacked in power... so she worked her arse off to remedy that: one cannot but deeply respect that. Her technique + that added power made her one of the best in 2003, if not THE best. Chapeau!

(I sometimes think she is paying the price for that now - but then, people could say Kim's wrist-injury is the price she is paying for playing too much, so I'll shut up about that.)

But while I respect Justine's determination, I will never be able to like her bloody-mindedness. :shrug:

For me, Justine is Bush and Kim is Kerry. Yes, Bush won. (Guess who I would have voted for... :p).

Lynx
Apr 11th, 2005, 03:52 PM
Sir Lynx you have woken up this afternoon ;) :p
:o

:kiss: :wavey:

Yeah, I know... I should be writing a PM - but will you believe I found THREE in my inbox yesterday (or was it the day before)? Replied to one, yours is next in the queue... :)

Lady
Apr 11th, 2005, 04:31 PM
Err... no. You must see the differences, surely?

It would have been double standards if Kim had reacted the same way after the AO semi in 2003 - saying she gave the match away... and if I had condoned that reaction. I'm sure a lot of people will say that she DID give it away: but what she said was that Serena began to play flawless, thus giving her all the credit of the world. Now that is what I call classy ;).

She also didn't seek any excuses for losing to Justine at RG 2003. She just said that Justine was way too strong for her. Although I'm sure she must have been deeply disappointed, no?

I mentioned that example about Kim not always being gracious either to show that even Justine fans can dislike players who were just beaten by their fav :). But the circumstances were very, very different, as I'm sure you know.

Losig a match fair and square is one thing.
Losing a match where there was an incident that could have influenced the outcome is something else altogether (especially against a player who had already build a reputation of not always being fair).

But I'd better stop here, 'cause old cows and all that.


Let me just add this:
Justine has surprised me - I never thought she would come to dominate Kim like she did in 2003. She lacked in power... so she worked her arse off to remedy that: one cannot but deeply respect that. Her technique + that added power made her one of the best in 2003, if not THE best. Chapeau!

(I sometimes think she is paying the price for that now - but then, people could say Kim's wrist-injury is the price she is paying for playing too much, so I'll shut up about that.)

But while I respect Justine's determination, I will never be able to like her bloody-mindedness. :shrug:

For me, Justine is Bush and Kim is Kerry. Yes, Bush won. (Guess who I would have voted for... :p).

I'm not gonna argue about that topic. You have obvious double standarts, but prefer to exuse it with different "circumstances".
Whatever works for you! :shrug:

The Crow
Apr 11th, 2005, 04:38 PM
Marc, I hear you. You are probably correct in your assessment of Justine (and Kim). I don't argue that at all.

I'll say again what I meant: it's easier to respect/like/... another player (apart from your fav), when your fav has just beaten her. Just in general speaking (so not specific for Kim fans). Maybe it's not particularly true in this case (I haven't followed the aftermatch details of Kim-Masha), but in general it's true.

Lynx
Apr 11th, 2005, 04:53 PM
See why I respect The Crow so much, fifi? :)
He can see both sides (better than I can, I must admit :() - and that's very rare, indeed. :hatoff:


OK, Joris, I will admit that it's easier to like a player your fav just beat :o :angel:. Slightly! :devil: :D

Joana
Apr 11th, 2005, 05:49 PM
Justine and Serena were far less gracious, and some of their fans are proud of that - they call it fighting spirit :rolleyes:. Didn't Joana say that Justine was right in saying she gave the match away? It's self-centered bullshit, and it's plain disrespectful to the other player. It goes out from the assumption that, whatever the other does, you're better, and thus should win. I don't know about you, but I call that arrogance˛ squared ;).

I am not proud of that. How can I be proud about something I have no influence on?
I do stand by what I said. Justine was right about that match. It doesn't go from assumption that Justine is the best and should win every time she steps on court - it's just the way things happened on that particular day.
And just another thing - most of the time I honestly don't give a damn what she says or does. I like players for their tennis, and not for their personalities. I don't know them, will not make friends with them and honestly don't care about what they do or how they are like off court.

Yasmine
Apr 11th, 2005, 06:02 PM
And just another thing - most of the time I honestly don't give a damn what she says or does. I like players for their tennis, and not for their personalities. I don't know them, will not make friends with them and honestly don't care about what they do or how they are like off court.
That is a very good point, we're tennis fans before all and some people should be reminded that we're here thanks to tennis after all... (you all know the kind of poster I mean:p) I suppose we all have different reasons for prefering a player rather than another ;) and :hatoff: to you for seeing it that way...

Lynx
Apr 11th, 2005, 06:28 PM
I am not proud of that. How can I be proud about something I have no influence on?
I do stand by what I said. Justine was right about that match. It doesn't go from assumption that Justine is the best and should win every time she steps on court - it's just the way things happened on that particular day.
And just another thing - most of the time I honestly don't give a damn what she says or does. I like players for their tennis, and not for their personalities. I don't know them, will not make friends with them and honestly don't care about what they do or how they are like off court.
I don't agree with your assessment that it was Justine who lost the match: if Kim hadn't kept fighting hard no way Justine would have lost! Taking all the blame is as arrogant and untrue as taking all the credit.

Having said that, I can appreciate your point of view.

But what you describe is being a fan of the game rather than of a particular player. Imo being a fan of a player doesn't depend solely on her tennis - otherwise we would all be fans of the same handful of players...

I can appreciate a match between two good players I don't care for. But my heart won't miss a beat. It's the most clinical way of enjoying tennis.

But I DO enjoy tennis much more if a player I like is playing well... that's what makes my heart miss beats... :). (And yes - tennis will lose some of it's attraction for me if/when Kim would quit... unless I found somebody else I could like as much.)

Well, it takes all kinds, eh. :p

fifiricci
Apr 11th, 2005, 06:51 PM
Good grief, I turn my back for a few hours and look what happens, everyone's got verbal diarhhoea! ;)

Nice posting Lynx and the Crow, nice to see some intelligence and reasoned argument, he he! :devil: