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RenaSlam.
Apr 2nd, 2005, 10:02 PM
I know it's a bit early, but Clijsters has shown some amazing things in her comeback.

1.) She is beating virtually ALL of the top players (Davenport, Mauresmo, Sharapova, Dementieva, Myskina) quite easily. I know she went 3 sets with Lindsay, but still pulled that out fairly easily in the 3rd.

2.) Her fitness is impeccable. Her court coverage may be the best right now in the WTA.

3.) The most important reason-- she has won 7 matches in a row...TWICE!!! That is imperative in winning a Grand Slam, so I think Roland Garros might be hers in the near future. She's made the finals twice if I'm not mistaken, and it suits her retrieving game quite well.

More opinions, please?

Wiggly
Apr 2nd, 2005, 10:05 PM
;) With a good mental in final, yes

K.U.C.W-R.V
Apr 2nd, 2005, 10:13 PM
Kim is the best player on tour right now, I just cant see Serena or Sharapova beating her on any surface except grass or maybe fast indoor carpet.

I think she may be about to make a grandslam breakthrough - either Clijsters or Henin will win in Paris.

Kart
Apr 2nd, 2005, 10:14 PM
Let's see how she does in Berlin and Rome.

Lien
Apr 2nd, 2005, 10:23 PM
I am not into this 'favourite for RG thing' although I am a big fan of her. It is too early to make predictions when there isn't even been played on the gravel yet, you can't know how she (and the wrist) will cope with it. But it is safely to say that probably she will be amongst the very favourites as sharapova, henin and the sisters.
I am glad that Kim doesn't 'dream away' too much and stays realistic about RG (not having too much expectations, just wait and see). I would love for her to get that monkey called 'but she hasn't a GS yet and miss choke in the big stages' off her and I think she can do it (she has changed in many ways IMO) but I don't like this jinxing and too early prediction making. Btw being THE favourite to win, doesn't guarentee the victory.

Cybelle Darkholme
Apr 2nd, 2005, 10:25 PM
Yes lets wait for the clay season to actually start. But if we have to choose favorites

in no particular order...

Venus
Serena
Kim
Justine
Maria
Myskina


I would like to say momo but...

jmcfarla
Apr 2nd, 2005, 11:06 PM
I would like to see how Kim (and others) react to the clay court season, before making any predictions for Roland Garros.

But she is the on form player on the tour and if she continues to preform the way she has for the last month, she would be my favourite for the title.

Szymanowski
Apr 2nd, 2005, 11:09 PM
I don't want to discredit her, but I can't think of a way to post this which doesn't. :sad: I think once she's been back a bit longer, other players will be able to figure out her game a bit, then we'll know really how good she is.

Brooks.
Apr 2nd, 2005, 11:18 PM
I don't want to discredit her, but I can't think of a way to post this which doesn't. :sad: I think once she's been back a bit longer, other players will be able to figure out her game a bit, then we'll know really how good she is.

no offense but your kind of annoying :devil: .............if you wanna say something just say it...... :p

Hagar
Apr 2nd, 2005, 11:25 PM
She surely can win Roland Garros but it all depends on whether the wrist remains OK.
I hope she will reduce her clay season schedule because I expect her to go far in all the tournaments, and she (and the wrist) might be tired when she enters Roland Garros. I suppose she will be seeded for Roland Garros, so her first rounds should be routine.

RenaSlam.
Apr 2nd, 2005, 11:26 PM
no offense but your kind of annoying :devil: .............if you wanna say something just say it...... :p

No worries. He'll snap out of it when he realizes that Sharapova just lost. He needs time to recover. :rolleyes:

Lemonskin.
Apr 2nd, 2005, 11:49 PM
No worries. He'll snap out of it when he realizes that Sharapova just lost. He needs time to recover. :rolleyes:
At least Masha MADE the final ;)

TennisHack
Apr 2nd, 2005, 11:50 PM
I'm with the others, I think its too early to call her the favorite for RG. I certainly think she has a chance to win it, but Kim herself has been a bit nervy about her approach to the clay season this year so we'll see.

I think she'll drop one of her warmups if she starts the clay season like she did the outdoor hard this time :lol:

Let's see how the clay season shapes before calling anybody a favorite for the biggest pie.

Wannabeknowitall
Apr 3rd, 2005, 12:05 AM
I now have belief in her. For the first time in her career she actually won something big when the nerves got to her. She won two Teir I's back to back. Not many people can say they have done that. She really does appeciate the game more than she did before. I just hope she can now take this positive form to the French Open.

Tennisaddict
Apr 3rd, 2005, 12:12 AM
Her game has always been good enough. She is one of the best who can beat the best but her mental strenght is another thing. We won't know until the time is there.
Plus it will be interesting to see how she will match up with Serena and Justine after her comeback.

blumaroo
Apr 3rd, 2005, 12:27 AM
This girl is too talented to not have a slam. SHe should have had at least two slams under her belt by now. I'd rather have Kim win a slam first than Amelie.

Kunal
Apr 3rd, 2005, 12:29 AM
I know it's a bit early, but Clijsters has shown some amazing things in her comeback.

1.) She is beating virtually ALL of the top players (Davenport, Mauresmo, Sharapova, Dementieva, Myskina) quite easily. I know she went 3 sets with Lindsay, but still pulled that out fairly easily in the 3rd.

2.) Her fitness is impeccable. Her court coverage may be the best right now in the WTA.

3.) The most important reason-- she has won 7 matches in a row...TWICE!!! That is imperative in winning a Grand Slam, so I think Roland Garros might be hers in the near future. She's made the finals twice if I'm not mistaken, and it suits her retrieving game quite well.

More opinions, please?


She definitely is one of the favorites for RG now that she has so much confidence behind her back....having said that there are two other players that i think we shld be cautious of....
1. Serena....somehow, she always shows up with her A-game to grand slams...
2. Henin....by the time RG comes by she will have played herself into some form, and will also be relatively fresh...

Maria is always gonna be a threat..
BUT...I would love to see the Venus of old times....man i wish she wins the French open....it'll be good for the game...
ok fine...its a 'feel good' thing

New
Apr 3rd, 2005, 12:32 AM
Like she said in the interview, Clay is very different.

Until she wins Rome and Berlin, I think it's not wise to predict she'll win in Roland Garros.

She'll be a hot favourite though. Hope she wins. About time she got her first Grand Slam! :bounce:

Veenut
Apr 3rd, 2005, 12:34 AM
She should be considered one of the favs to win. Her main problem is controlling her nerves on the bigger stages like major finals. The FO is very wide open and who ever have the will and determination will win. All the top players have the game to win and the dirt is a great equalizer, therefore intangibles will be in play.

I'm of the opinion that trophies are never awarded they have to be earned. I don't subscribe to the "fluke win" theory because tennis is not a one match game, therefore you have to be consistent throughout the whole tournament to the end before you lift the trophy.

tennisIlove09
Apr 3rd, 2005, 12:35 AM
riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight, because she's won all the clay events entering Paris. If this was entering the Open, fine.

Paneru
Apr 3rd, 2005, 12:36 AM
Can someone explain the obsession
with finding a favorite heading into
a tournament that is over a month away?

RenaSlam.
Apr 3rd, 2005, 12:45 AM
At least Masha MADE the final ;)

That's true. :wavey: .

Congrats, Maria.

Shenanigans
Apr 3rd, 2005, 12:55 AM
Kim is in that honeymoon period at the moment. She has had no pressure and every match she wins is a bonus but that is all gonna change.

Now she will be a fav in every match she plays and almost feel as if the top players forgot about how well Kim plays and how she plays. I am sure they will be more prepared next time.

DemWilliamsGulls
Apr 3rd, 2005, 12:57 AM
She's not my favorite because she was on of the Rivals against the Williams sisters a few years ago, but I do respect her and I'm glad she is coming back strong and she took out the commentators favorite (marsha or whatever ya'll call her) yesterday. I hope she does get a grand slam title under her belt...Mauresmo on the other hand...NO..she keeps too much shit up. Even tho the Williams has every grand slam title....I'm still rooting for them to win roland...if not them Jennifer and Davenport.

VeeReeDavJCap81
Apr 3rd, 2005, 01:07 AM
People seem to forget that Kim has been in 4 GS finals, was #1 and dominated most of the tour. Except the big 3. Venus, Serena, and Justine. One of which has already beaten her this year. I love Kim, and like to see her do well. But to predict she'll win the FO before even seeing her play a match is insane.

Alan
Apr 3rd, 2005, 01:12 AM
i think besides being physically healthy, what makes kim mentally tough right now is that she just came back from injury and she's ranked so low (although now she's back at the top 20, if im not mistaken) that there's nothing to lose...there's nothing to choke about (pardon the term)...

i hope she's continues this kind of physical and mental state... i don't wat to put too much pressure on her (hehehe) but I'd be very very pleased to see kim hold up the trophy at Roland Garros :)

:worship: :worship: :worship: no pressure kim... no pressure:kiss:

Chunchun
Apr 3rd, 2005, 01:33 AM
just hope she's not gonna lose in the final again :sad:

-Kieron-
Apr 3rd, 2005, 01:38 AM
She is a favourite, but we should see how she does on the clay first :)

Brooks.
Apr 3rd, 2005, 03:02 AM
At least Masha MADE the final ;)

at least venus and serena HAVE WON the tournament 6 times :devil:

wateva
Apr 3rd, 2005, 03:32 AM
of course! she reached 2 finals b4!

SelesFan70
Apr 3rd, 2005, 03:37 AM
I'll have to wait to see how Justine's comeback goes before I put Kim as the favorite. Justine is playing in Charleston and that should be a good gauge as to how far she has to go to really get back. Of course the draw will determine a lot of player's fate, and clay is just so different than other surfaces...really hard to say for sure at this point. But isn't it exciting to have mostly all of the players back? :bounce:

Hurry back:
Capriati
Rubin
Seles (please let her come back one more time) :angel:

Joana
Apr 3rd, 2005, 03:58 AM
It's still way too early. I mean, she hasn't even played a match on clay yet.
And RG is almost 2 months away. A lot can happen by then.

Prizeidiot
Apr 3rd, 2005, 08:16 AM
Maybe too early, but it's a credible judgement. Kim's the most in form player at this point, ripping through a lot of the top players. And her favourite surface is clay. But it's kind of always been like that. Never a doubt over her consistency, talent and fitness. Again it will depend on her mind. Maybe if she's come back, and just appreciates being able to play, she can take some of the pressure off herself.

Volcana
Apr 3rd, 2005, 08:30 AM
The 2004 champ (It's her title til somebody takes it away.)
The 2003 champ
The 2002 champ
The 2001 champ (if she's back in time)
The 2000 champ IS going to play, although a repeat is FAR from likely.

I think the 2002 finalist is going to make some noise at that tournament also.

ans
Apr 3rd, 2005, 11:24 AM
It's not because she's just won two tournaments on hardcourt, she's the favourite to win the biggest tournament on clay. I think clay might 'cause some trouble to her wrist, but no doubt she'll do well if she stays healthy.

Serena, Venus, Justine, Kim, Maria,... they're all favourites for the claycourt season.
Still, that grand slam, I hope it's hers now:)

Jakeev
Apr 3rd, 2005, 11:27 AM
The momentum is definitely on her side, but I still need to see her face the sisters and Justine.

Her comeback will be even more remarkable if she can get over her woes with those three players and win a Slam in the process.

Experimentee
Apr 3rd, 2005, 05:38 PM
Clay is a lot different from hardcourts, and Kim has always been better on hard than on clay. She also has shown some mental frailty when playing Slam finals in the past, so I wouldnt put her as a favourite yet. I think she would have won RG last year if she'd played, but this year will be a different story.

Sir Stefwhit
Apr 4th, 2005, 12:46 AM
Why do people think that clay is Kim's favorite surface? Kim has been on record many times stating that clay is actually her least favorite surface. I know we can't disregard the fact that she has made two finals there, but most of her success has come on hard courts and indoor. Kim can be dangerous on any surface and I wouldn't be surprised to see her in the finals on dirt, but I think she has a better chance at the US Open and Oz. I think cuz she slides so much people assume clay works best for her, but if you look at her record she has her lowest winning percentage on clay...

~Rachel~
Apr 4th, 2005, 01:01 AM
Well Kim has said a few times recently that she can't wait until the clay season is OVER because the surface will be tough on her wrist. I'm not saying she won't be successful on clay but I'm also not sure we should call her THE favourite since Kim's obviously not relishing the idea of playing on clay.

RenaSlam.
Apr 4th, 2005, 01:04 AM
Kim is quite good on clay. 2 RG finals and a few clay court titles.

Sir Stefwhit
Apr 4th, 2005, 01:10 AM
Well Kim has said a few times recently that she can't wait until the clay season is OVER because the surface will be tough on her wrist. I'm not saying she won't be successful on clay but I'm also not sure we should call her THE favourite since Kim's obviously not relishing the idea of playing on clay.
The truth is Kim has said many times that clay is her worse surface. During the SF match she played against Justine she went on record saying that she doesn't feel as comfortable on clay. When she beat Justine it surprised people because Justine has been on record stating that clay is her favorite surface. It just goes to show how remarkable she is to reach two finals of a slam on a surface she calls her least favorite. During her final against Sharapova Mary Carilo said that besides Justine, Kim is probably the second best player on clay- again putting that myth out there. Kim is good enough to beat anyone on any surface IMO, but her results outside of the slams proove that clay is her weakest surface. I would rank Mauresmo, Venus, as better clay court players than Kim, but Kim has the goods to get the job done- so I wont be surprised to see her in the finals at Roland Garos...

Julia1968
Apr 4th, 2005, 01:17 AM
Kim won around 100 matches in 2003, which did not culminate into a grand slam win.

I would have to say "no".

Sir Stefwhit
Apr 4th, 2005, 01:21 AM
Kim is quite good on clay. 2 RG finals and a few clay court titles.I actually think Kim is good on any surface, but when you compare her records on clay to others, the only thing that really stands out is her 2 RG finals- that's why I don't suscribe to the thinking that Kim is mentally fragile. She is obviously enough of a fighter to put up quality results on any surface she plays on. And although I say think that Venus and Maruesmo are more accomplished on clay Kim has beaten both of them on clay, and I wouldn't be surprised if she beat them again this season (on clay- or any surface).

Here's a quick comparison of Kim and Venus on clay:

Venus: (75-17)
Rome (F)-98
Hamburg (W)-99
Rome (W)-99
Hamburg (W)-01
Amelia Island (W)-02
Hamburg (F)-02
Warsaw (F)-03
Charleston (W)-04
Warsaw (W)-04
German Open (F)-04
*1 French Final

Kim: (48-14)
Hamburg (W)-02
German Open (W)-03
Rome (W)-03
2 French Finals

....with all that said, I'm still holding out for a Serena-Kim Roland Garros Final. I will never doubt what either of those woman can accomplish!!

Sir Stefwhit
Apr 4th, 2005, 09:03 AM
Her game has always been good enough. She is one of the best who can beat the best but her mental strenght is another thing. We won't know until the time is there.
OK... Kim had a big lapse against Serena at Oz in 2003, and that same year she froze in the finals against Justine at the French and the US Open toward the end of the year. I wont argue that during those matches she did appear mentally fragile. What people forget is that on several other big occassions she's shown she can get the job done. She looked mentally solid when she won the YEC twice. The first year she won she beating Serena during Serena's best year on tour. She also fought hard against JCap in the finals of Roland Garros, even though she lost 10-12 in the third, she showed no signs of mental weakness, she was just outplayed. During the SF at Roland Garros she lost the first set 6-2 and was down 4-1 in the second before she came back to beat Justine and advance to the finals.... I know the bottom line is that she hasn't won a slam yet, but I don't think it's fair to say that Kim is weak, with regards to her mental toughness. Her first two slams against Justine were ugly, but the other two finals she simply got beat. She has shown moments of weakness, but she's a far cry from being the headcase that she has been made out to be, IMO. Even still, I'm liking this new Kim a lot more... ;)

Maria Croft
Apr 4th, 2005, 09:20 AM
No, I think her energy will be gone in RG, but she will go far in the main draw !!

wta whore 79
Apr 4th, 2005, 09:28 AM
I think Clijsters has as good of a shot as anyone else. :)

Lynx
Apr 4th, 2005, 09:47 AM
OK... Kim had a big lapse against Serena at Oz in 2003, and that same year she froze in the finals against Justine at the French and the US Open toward the end of the year. I wont argue that during those matches she did appear mentally fragile. What people forget is that on several other big occassions she's shown she can get the job done. She looked mentally solid when she won the YEC twice. The first year she won she beating Serena during Serena's best year on tour. She also fought hard against JCap in the finals of Roland Garros, even though she lost 10-12 in the third, she showed no signs of mental weakness, she was just outplayed. During the SF at Roland Garros she lost the first set 6-2 and was down 4-1 in the second before she came back to beat Justine and advance to the finals.... I know the bottom line is that she hasn't won a slam yet, but I don't think it's fair to say that Kim is weak, with regards to her mental toughness. Her first two slams against Justine were ugly, but the other two finals she simply got beat. She has shown moments of weakness, but she's a far cry from being the headcase that she has been made out to be, IMO. Even still, I'm liking this new Kim a lot more... ;)
Exactly!!!

People just don't have memories - or very selective ones.
Kim used to own Justine before JHH fabulous 2003-run, even beating JHH in Antwerp that year! Justine was the one back then who was chided for her mental weakness, while Kim was praised for her iron resolve.

Frankly, I don't think Kim suddenly lost her mental strength. Justine lacked physical power - which was remedied by her hard work under Pat Etcheberry... and after that power up she was simply the best player of the world.

Kim was NOT at her best at the French Open in 2003, while Justine was obviously at her peak. I'll admit Kim froze in the US Open that same year - but imo that was precisely because of all the talk of her so-called "mental weakness".
She had done away with all that by the YEC though, which she proved again at the Australian Open 2004...

syd
Apr 4th, 2005, 09:57 AM
I think Kim is the best on clay after Justine, so she won't surprised me if she reaches the final or even if she wins it !!!

Grohl
Apr 4th, 2005, 01:07 PM
I really see kim win roland garros (and being very optimistic: the US open) especially after how she def so many top players these last 2 weeks

Yasmine
Apr 4th, 2005, 01:13 PM
I wouldn't go as far as saying she's the favourite... I want to see how she puts up with pressure with players such as Justine or the Williams sisters. If she can deal with them on high pressure than I think yes she does have a great chance ;) but we'll have to wait and see...

fifiricci
Apr 4th, 2005, 02:07 PM
I don't see Kim winning the French.

hablo
Apr 4th, 2005, 02:21 PM
Let's see how Kim, Momo, Juju, Rena, Nastya, etc do during the clay court season first;)

timray
Apr 4th, 2005, 02:53 PM
No, her chance is the same as the chances of her rivals.

Tennisaddict
Apr 4th, 2005, 04:59 PM
OK... Kim had a big lapse against Serena at Oz in 2003, and that same year she froze in the finals against Justine at the French and the US Open toward the end of the year. I wont argue that during those matches she did appear mentally fragile. What people forget is that on several other big occassions she's shown she can get the job done. She looked mentally solid when she won the YEC twice. The first year she won she beating Serena during Serena's best year on tour. She also fought hard against JCap in the finals of Roland Garros, even though she lost 10-12 in the third, she showed no signs of mental weakness, she was just outplayed. During the SF at Roland Garros she lost the first set 6-2 and was down 4-1 in the second before she came back to beat Justine and advance to the finals.... I know the bottom line is that she hasn't won a slam yet, but I don't think it's fair to say that Kim is weak, with regards to her mental toughness. Her first two slams against Justine were ugly, but the other two finals she simply got beat. She has shown moments of weakness, but she's a far cry from
being the headcase that she has been made out to be, IMO. Even still, I'm liking this new Kim a lot more... ;)

I'm not saying Kim has been a headcase in every slam final she was in. She displayed a great fighting spirit at Roland Garros 2001 and 2003. However I do believe that she should have won the semi in Oz 2003 but didn't because of her nerves and Serena also raised her game but she still should have closed it out. US Open 2003 and OZ 2004 were also examples of mental weaknesses IMO. Yes she has won the YEC twice but it's not the same as a slam final. I hope she proves me wrong though because she's long overdue. Again, we won't know until the time is there.

Aquanetta
Apr 4th, 2005, 05:07 PM
Yes lets wait for the clay season to actually start. But if we have to choose favorites

in no particular order...

Venus
Serena
Kim
Justine
Maria
Myskina


I would like to say momo but...

Yeah, its too early. Including all the players you mentioned the field is open. Kim, whos had an awesome two weeks, is just one of the favorites.

saki
Apr 4th, 2005, 06:07 PM
Kim's obviously had a very impressive couple of tournaments, especiallly impressive given that she's just come back from her injury, but... I think it's worth pointing out that she's yet to beat anyone she wasn't already beating before the injury. She's certainly back to her previous level but, to win a GS, she needs to surpass her previous level and we've yet to see if she has yet. If she beats Serena or Justine on clay in the next few weeks, I'll say she's the favourite but till then she's back to her previous level - GS runner up.

Alfie
Apr 4th, 2005, 06:20 PM
Kim's obviously had a very impressive couple of tournaments, especiallly impressive given that she's just come back from her injury, but... I think it's worth pointing out that she's yet to beat anyone she wasn't already beating before the injury. She's certainly back to her previous level but, to win a GS, she needs to surpass her previous level and we've yet to see if she has yet. If she beats Serena or Justine on clay in the next few weeks, I'll say she's the favourite but till then she's back to her previous level - GS runner up.

I disagree that Kim has not surpassed her previous level. We've already seen that Kim has surpassed her previous level. Her opponents, commentators and hardcore fans have noticed that Kim's improved since 2003. She's hitting with more accuracy, her forehand has improved and she's using more variety in her shots. In the Miami final Kim was dictating the points and setting up the points very well against an opponent who is usually the aggressor. She'd never won 7 straight matches in a row and now she's done it twice (IW and Miami). And something else to note is the great concentration with which Kim defeated her opponents in Miami, not even dropping a set.

As for the clay, Kim has the goods to win RG, but fitness is an issue as clay is not her surface and it's going to cause much more stress on her wrist than other surfaces.

V-MAC
Apr 4th, 2005, 06:36 PM
I'll have to wait to see how Justine's comeback goes before I put Kim as the favorite. Justine is playing in Charleston and that should be a good gauge as to how far she has to go to really get back. Of course the draw will determine a lot of player's fate, and clay is just so different than other surfaces...really hard to say for sure at this point. But isn't it exciting to have mostly all of the players back? :bounce:

Hurry back:
Capriati
Rubin
Seles (please let her come back one more time) :angel:


Chanda I think is on the entry list for Charleston but then I'd be quite shocked if she actually shows up there. I can't see her coming back til at least Wimbledon :sad: :sad:

RAA
Apr 4th, 2005, 07:46 PM
well RG is such a wacky GS that produces such odd winners sometimes.. its hard to say..

lets wait and see how her wrist holds up during the clay court season.. longer rallies etc. although it really looks like her fitness is impeccible...

saki
Apr 4th, 2005, 11:07 PM
I disagree that Kim has not surpassed her previous level. We've already seen that Kim has surpassed her previous level. Her opponents, commentators and hardcore fans have noticed that Kim's improved since 2003. She's hitting with more accuracy, her forehand has improved and she's using more variety in her shots. In the Miami final Kim was dictating the points and setting up the points very well against an opponent who is usually the aggressor. She'd never won 7 straight matches in a row and now she's done it twice (IW and Miami). And something else to note is the great concentration with which Kim defeated her opponents in Miami, not even dropping a set.

As for the clay, Kim has the goods to win RG, but fitness is an issue as clay is not her surface and it's going to cause much more stress on her wrist than other surfaces.

To clarify - I was referring to results with the "not surpassing her previous level" comment. She may or may not be playing better but, personally, until I see a result that backs that up - her beating the players she found very tough to beat/winning a GS - that doesn't mean much to me. I'm not counting her out, btw, just pointing out that in terms of concrete results thus far, she's not beaten anyone/won anything she hadn't before.