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jenglisbe
Apr 2nd, 2005, 06:48 PM
Kim beat 4 top 10 players (2 of which currently hold majors) and a recent major semifinalist on her way to the title - all without losing a set. I can't imagine any run being more impressive.

What is the least amount of games a player has lost in winning this title? Kim has to be close to the record - and she had an extra match from most winners.

No Name Face
Apr 2nd, 2005, 06:53 PM
I think it is one of the best runs. It would have been better if she defeated a Williams or Henin, but she did defeat Myskina, Dementieva, Momo, and Sharapova in a row. Major props.

jenglisbe
Apr 2nd, 2005, 06:57 PM
Considering Justine has been out for months and Venus hasn't done much over the past year, I don't see why she needed to beat them more than, say, Elena. A win over Serena would have been impressive, but I don't know if that holds this back from being the more impressive run here.

E. Blackadder
Apr 2nd, 2005, 07:18 PM
It is, especially when you look at the scorelines

selyoink
Apr 2nd, 2005, 07:23 PM
I think it probably is. She beat 3 of the top 5 and 4 of the top 6. Pretty damn good.

Brooks.
Apr 2nd, 2005, 07:26 PM
it probably is..........certainly kournikova's run in 98' was very impressive as well......she beat 4 top ten players and took the first set off of venus in the final

Nacho
Apr 2nd, 2005, 07:28 PM
I think Serena's run in 2002 was also very impressive:

QF [8] S. Williams def [3] M. Hingis 6-4 6-0
SF [8] S. Williams def [2] V. Williams 6-2 6-2
Final: [8] S. Williams def [1] J. Capriati 7-5 7-6

and of course Anna in 1998, beating 4 top 10 players (Monica, Conchi, Davenport & ASV) before losing to Venus in the finals

starr
Apr 2nd, 2005, 07:35 PM
Of course Serena playing in 2002 was a seeded player and had a first round bye.

To think that Kim has played 14 matches in a row and I think without losing a set, right? Pretty amazing run. I don't know if it can be duplicated when you factor in that she is coming off a nearly year long injury layoff.

jbone_0307
Apr 2nd, 2005, 07:58 PM
Of course Serena playing in 2002 was a seeded player and had a first round bye.

To think that Kim has played 14 matches in a row and I think without losing a set, right? Pretty amazing run. I don't know if it can be duplicated when you factor in that she is coming off a nearly year long injury layoff.


She lost one set to Lindsay.

Brooks.
Apr 2nd, 2005, 08:05 PM
She lost one set to Lindsay.

and one to conchita but still to lose only two sets is just :eek:

gmak
Apr 2nd, 2005, 08:06 PM
Kim only lost 2 sets to Lindsay and Conchita...
her win against a red-hot Lindsay at Indian Wells was the best of them all...

Anna's run in 1998 was mighty impressive as well...

she beat Lucic, Seles, Martinez, Davenport, ASV and led Venus a set and a break before losing.

jenglisbe
Apr 2nd, 2005, 08:30 PM
Anna definitely had an impressive run, she she didn't win the tournament. Kim beat the same number of top 10 players, as well as a player who just reached the semifinal of a major on a similar surface. And she did it without losing a set. That's more impressive than Anna's run, though perhaps that doesn't matter.

What is the fewest amount of games someone has lost in winning the title?

Infiniti2001
Apr 2nd, 2005, 08:32 PM
Go to tennis corner.. There are some good stats over there.

Kart
Apr 2nd, 2005, 09:11 PM
I can't imagine any run being more impressive.


I believe there was some promising teenager in 1987 that won this tournament with a more spectacular fashion.

Mercury Rising
Apr 2nd, 2005, 09:16 PM
It's definately impressive, this shows it too, from WTA site:



Kim Clijsters is just two matches from becoming only the second woman to complete the Indian Wells-Miami double, i.e. winning the Pacific Life Open and NASDAQ-100 Open in the same year. Steffi Graf was the first and so far only woman to achieve this feat since 1989 (when Indian Wells was added to the Tour calendar), and she did it twice! In 1994, the German legend won Indian Wells, defeating Amanda Coetzer in the final, followed by victory in Miami over Natasha Zvereva. Two years later in 1996, she repeated the dose with a win over Conchita Martinez in the Californian desert and Chanda Rubin in Miami. In 2000, Lindsay Davenport came close to replicating Graf's achievements, winning Indian Wells over Martina Hingis but falling to the Swiss Miss in the Miami championship match.
At No.133, Clijsters became the lowest-ranked woman to win a Tier I title when she claimed the Indian Wells crown nearly two weeks ago. However, should Clijsters (now ranked No.38) be victorious in Saturday's final, not only would she be Miami's lowest-ranked and first-ever unseeded champion, she would also be the first woman to complete the Indian Wells-Miami double since Indian Wells was promoted to Tier I status in 1997. Currently, the lowest-ranked woman to win Miami is Venus Williams, who was No.11 in the world when she won the first of her three titles in 1998.

To date, the lowest-ranked Miami finalist has been Judith Wiesner in 1990, who was No.28 in the world when she fell to Monica Seles.
Clijsters has carried her phenomenal form from Indian Wells to Miami. Of the four semifinalists, she is the only one yet to drop a set, blazing through her five matches for the loss of just 18 games (including wins over Top 6 players Dementieva and Myskina), less than any of the other semifinalists. Despite playing one more match than Mauresmo, V.Williams and Sharapova (having not received a first round bye like her seeded rivals), Clijsters is the only woman remaining in the tournament to have spent less than five hours on-court so far. Should she win the title, the Belgian would be the first woman since Gabriela Sabatini in 1989 to win seven matches to claim the NASDAQ-100 Open. In 1990, the 32 seeded players were granted first round byes for the first time, meaning No.6 seed Monica Seles needed only six wins to claim her first Miami trophy.

Szymanowski
Apr 2nd, 2005, 09:19 PM
probably one of the most impressive all time comebacks; will it continue?

Szymanowski
Apr 2nd, 2005, 09:19 PM
probably one of the most impressive all time comebacks; will it continue?
(I hope so:))

bandabou
Apr 2nd, 2005, 09:22 PM
Hert IW-Miami double is impressive...not just the Miami title....Serena's run in 02 was more impressive no.3, no.2, no.1...no.3 finalist at Oz open, no.2 defending champion AND defending Wimbledon and U.S.open run and no.2..won Australia so....

And Kim only beat one slam-holder..or did she beat Kuznetsova too? Yep she did, so it's true.

jenglisbe
Apr 3rd, 2005, 03:03 AM
bandabou - Serena's run was certainly impressive, but she wasn't coming off 3-4 straight weeks of playing, and she had an easier draw to get to the QF (including a bye). Serena lost 31 games in 6 matches in 2002. Kim lost just 27 games in 7 matches. Kim did beat 2 current holders of a major (Myskina and Sharapova), as did Serena (Venus and Jennifer). Kim beat an extra top 10 player, though, and a player who just reached the SF of a major. It's at least a close call, and both players earned their titles.

Kart - who won in 1987? Graf?

vogus
Apr 3rd, 2005, 03:08 AM
i'd still pick the Kournikova run in '98, even though she didn't win the tournie. That was the stuff of legend.

Kart
Apr 3rd, 2005, 01:11 PM
Kart - who won in 1987? Graf?

http://www.wtaworld.com/showthread.php?t=159464

moby
Apr 3rd, 2005, 01:24 PM
i'd still pick the Kournikova run in '98, even though she didn't win the tournie. That was the stuff of legend.

Me too, if only because that's sort of a testimony to how good her game was/ could have become, and to shut up all the detractors who said that she had no game.

starr
Apr 3rd, 2005, 01:58 PM
"could have" can never replace "had"

I don't know how you could possibly compare Anna's run with Clijster's. Anna did not win the tournament, and was not coming off a career threatening injury.

Chunchun
Apr 3rd, 2005, 02:01 PM
LenaD 2006 :rocker: - she just lose 2 games in 6 matches to win the title :bigclap:

moby
Apr 3rd, 2005, 02:02 PM
"could have" can never replace "had"

I don't know how you could possibly compare Anna's run with Clijster's. Anna did not win the tournament, and was not coming off a career threatening injury.

I never said it was a logical choice. :p

But Kim will continue to gain accolades for herself in the years to come, and Anna's career is over. This record means nothing to Kim, who's been no.1 and will very likely win GS in the near future. And it would be nice for Anna to keep this little record/ accomplishment that people can remember her singles career by. :)

Of course my opinion isn't going to change the fact that Kim's run is probably more impressive.

azmad_88
Apr 3rd, 2005, 02:05 PM
by far current best from 2003-2005

starr
Apr 3rd, 2005, 02:05 PM
I never said it was a logical choice. :p



Well, ok then.

sense
Apr 3rd, 2005, 03:29 PM
Considering Justine has been out for months and Venus hasn't done much over the past year, I don't see why she needed to beat them more than, say, Elena. A win over Serena would have been impressive, but I don't know if that holds this back from being the more impressive run here.

Exactly, Justine and Venus aren't even part of the picture.
This isn't their year, who knows when they're games will
ever go back to what it once was. The only player on the
bottom half that could've mattered besides Maria was Serena.

Kim is cleary the best player on tour right now. She will
win Roland Garros.

VS Fan
Apr 3rd, 2005, 04:48 PM
Kim is diong very well in her comeback, capturing IW and Miami after a career threatening injury.

Is there a slam in Kim's future this year??? I think so if she keeps playing this well.
Miami and IW are considered the fifth and sixth slams anyway, so she is very close.
Everyone but Jennifer was playing in Miami and she won. This is a good sign for her.

DA FOREHAND
Apr 3rd, 2005, 05:28 PM
Me too, if only because that's sort of a testimony to how good her game was/ could have become, and to shut up all the detractors who said that she had no game.
She lost!! Not so impressive....