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lizchris
Apr 2nd, 2005, 05:07 PM
"I wish some of the other top players (Venus and Serena) have to ability to say no to other interests like Maria does".

What the hell is wrong with having a life outside of tennis?

VRee_Willario
Apr 2nd, 2005, 05:11 PM
Soon Maria has a lot of off court things, she's already modelling and "among most marketable" has a lot of sponsors. She's only 17 ;) and Venus and Serena didn't have that much stuff at that age.

jenglisbe
Apr 2nd, 2005, 05:12 PM
The only thing wrong with it is that it detracts from their tennis game. If they are Ok with that, then that is all that matters.

lizchris
Apr 2nd, 2005, 05:14 PM
Soon Maria has a lot of off court things, she's already modelling and "among most marketable" has a lot of sponsors. She's only 17 ;) and Venus and Serena didn't have that much stuff at that age.


They were talking about what she is doing next week reagarding shooting commercials.

She also seemd to take umbrage at what Serena said about being an entertainer, not just an athlete. Is she still mad that Serena won the AO? If so, get the fuck over it.:rolleyes:

creep
Apr 2nd, 2005, 05:14 PM
I need more proof!

SelesFan70
Apr 2nd, 2005, 05:16 PM
She also said, "I liked what I saw from Venus this week" :eek: One of the rare compliments from Mary Carillo :lol:

lizchris
Apr 2nd, 2005, 05:16 PM
The only thing wrong with it is that it detracts from their tennis game. If they are Ok with that, then that is all that matters.


Serena has 7 Grand Slams, Venus has 4. Other players would love to have the distraction those two have to win that many Slams.

badunka
Apr 2nd, 2005, 05:16 PM
I need more proof and I need for you to say things verbatim because I was listening and you misquoted or changed it to your liking

jenglisbe
Apr 2nd, 2005, 05:17 PM
Serena has 7 Grand Slams, Venus has 4. Other players would love to have the distraction those two have to win that many Slams.
But they could have had more majors (or at least fewer injuries), in my opinion.

lizchris
Apr 2nd, 2005, 05:17 PM
I need more proof!


She said it while she and the guy she is with (Bill something) were analyzing the Venus/Maria match from Thursday.

hablo
Apr 2nd, 2005, 05:18 PM
"I wish some of the other top players (Venus and Serena) have to ability to say no to other interests like Maria does".

What the hell is wrong with having a life outside of tennis?

She does irritate me too;)

But there are other commentators which I find equally annoying !!! :o

jbone_0307
Apr 2nd, 2005, 05:18 PM
She was actually complimenting Venus on what she saw and how she was coming to net. Get over it :rolleyes: I cant believe Maria is going to make 23 Million and shes only won one slam.

lizchris
Apr 2nd, 2005, 05:19 PM
I need more proof and I need for you to say things verbatim because I was listening and you misquoted or changed it to your liking

I paraphrased it.

Since you heard the same thing, what did she say exactly?

Infiniti2001
Apr 2nd, 2005, 05:19 PM
Good Lord woman let it go already:rolleyes: Do you think the Williames give a rat's ass with Mary Carillo?? I mean they'll continue to do their thing and Mary will contiinue to yap. Mary said she was so impressed with Venus throughout this tournament, why not comment on that?? Stop focusing on what you believe to be the bloody negatives for crying out loud. :smash: :banghead: :shout:

harloo
Apr 2nd, 2005, 05:20 PM
They were talking about what she is doing next week reagarding shooting commercials.

She also seemd to take umbrage at what Serena said about being an entertainer, not just an athlete. Is she still mad that Serena won the AO? If so, get the fuck over it.:rolleyes:

She is still mad about Serena calling her dumb ass out about that comment she made behind the booth in regards to Jen. Mary made a comment while commentating saying," You can just tell these two don't like each other". Later in an interview Serena called her ass out on it saying that it was not true, and Mary has been on the Serena hate train ever since.

I actually think she want's to sleep with Maria the way she oogle's over her. :lol:

lizchris
Apr 2nd, 2005, 05:21 PM
She was actually complimenting Venus on what she saw and how she was coming to net. Get over it :rolleyes: I cant believe Maria is going to make 23 Million and shes only won one slam.


THose are the worth of her contract, not what she is going to make. The only top male athlete that make 23 million in enrosements or more LeBron James and Tiger Woods. And probably A-Rod and Derek Jeter.

vettipooh
Apr 2nd, 2005, 05:22 PM
The only thing wrong with it is that it detracts from their tennis game. If they are Ok with that, then that is all that matters.depends on how much they allow the distractions to affect their tennis. It obviously does not stop Rena from winning slams.:lol:

DevilishAttitude
Apr 2nd, 2005, 05:24 PM
Oh boo hoo :sad: Get over it :rolleyes:

jbone_0307
Apr 2nd, 2005, 05:24 PM
THose are the worth of her contract, not what she is going to make. The only top male athlete that make 23 million in enrosements or more LeBron James and Tiger Woods. And probably A-Rod and Derek Jeter.


Like I said, shes is going to make atleast 23 million this year excluding tennis prize money.

lizchris
Apr 2nd, 2005, 05:26 PM
Like I said, shes is going to make atleast 23 million this year excluding tennis prize money.'

Her contracts are multiyear deals, not one year ones. That is why I said she will not make 23 million this year. If that is the case, her deals are better than LeBron James and no womam athlete (in America) makes more in endorsement money than a male athlete.

creep
Apr 2nd, 2005, 05:30 PM
She said it while she and the guy she is with (Bill something) were analyzing the Venus/Maria match from Thursday.


Do what I do. Turn the volume down and do your own commentary. I always say the nicest things.The next occasion thereís a match on you wish to watch, invite me over and Iíll do the commentating.

lizchris
Apr 2nd, 2005, 05:33 PM
Do what I do. Turn the volume down and do your own commentary. I always say the nicest things.The next occasion thereís a match on you wish to watch, invite me over and Iíll do the commentating.


Actually, I did. I made the mistake of turning it up when the replay showed Venus going up 0-40. I have the sound down now.

PatM04
Apr 2nd, 2005, 05:34 PM
"I wish some of the other top players (Venus and Serena) have to ability to say no to other interests like Maria does".

What the hell is wrong with having a life outside of tennis?
Your assuming that she was talking about them. She could have been referring to anyone. All of the players skip tournaments for different reasons. While what she says applies more to Venus and Serena than other players, there is no way to know wether or not she intended only to refer to them. Don't assume things. And no, I'm not a Williams hater.

lizchris
Apr 2nd, 2005, 05:41 PM
Your assuming that she was talking about them. She could have been referring to anyone. All of the players skip tournaments for different reasons. While what she says applies more to Venus and Serena than other players, there is no way to know wether or not she intended only to refer to them. Don't assume things. And no, I'm not a Williams hater.


She was saying this as the camera was on Serena, then Venus and Serena's dad.

creep
Apr 2nd, 2005, 05:42 PM
Actually, I did. I made the mistake of turning it up when the replay showed Venus going up 0-40. I have the sound down now.

Aren't you watching the final?

Kabezya
Apr 2nd, 2005, 05:43 PM
LizCris, why does it bother you so and even if she says it, what is the impact? Are Venus and Serena's feelings hurt? Are they going to stop playing tennis, stop talking to commentators? It does not matter what a paid commentator says when doing his or her job, dang.

backhanddtl4
Apr 2nd, 2005, 05:44 PM
Mary Joe Fernandez is worse.

lizchris
Apr 2nd, 2005, 05:44 PM
Aren't you watching the final?


They showed a repeat of the Venus/Maria match from Thursday during the rain delay.

lizchris
Apr 2nd, 2005, 05:46 PM
LizCris, why does it bother you so and even if she says it, what is the impact? Are Venus and Serena's feelings hurt? Are they going to stop playing tennis, stop talking to commentators? It does not matter what a paid commentator says when doing his or her job, dang.


Her saying it is like a boil on my ass; unecessary.

Cybelle Darkholme
Apr 2nd, 2005, 05:49 PM
But they could have had more majors (or at least fewer injuries), in my opinion.

Right Your opinion which isnt an informed opinion.

Kabezya
Apr 2nd, 2005, 05:49 PM
Her saying it is like a boil on my ass; unecessary.

Kind of like a lot of things you say.

Cybelle Darkholme
Apr 2nd, 2005, 05:49 PM
I don't see anything wrong with what mary said. Its really none of her business though what Myskina and Dementieva do outside of tennis and how many endorsement deals they accept.:lol:

lizchris
Apr 2nd, 2005, 05:51 PM
Kind of like a lot of things you say.


Any you and everyone else on this board.

BTW, no one forced you to post or look at this thread.

CooCooCachoo
Apr 2nd, 2005, 05:51 PM
Well, she is right in this statement.

goldenlox
Apr 2nd, 2005, 05:52 PM
I don't see anything wrong with what mary said. Its really none of her business though what Myskina and Dementieva do outside of tennis and how many endorsement deals they accept.:lol:Both Anastasia and Elena have non-tennis deals.

lizchris
Apr 2nd, 2005, 05:53 PM
I don't see anything wrong with what mary said. Its really none of her business though what Myskina and Dementieva do outside of tennis and how many endorsement deals they accept.:lol:

Do Myskina and Dementieva have any endorsements?

creep
Apr 2nd, 2005, 05:53 PM
Any you and everyone else on this board.

BTW, no one forced you to post or look at this thread.

Everyone?

Infiniti2001
Apr 2nd, 2005, 05:53 PM
Kind of like a lot of things you say.


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goldenlox
Apr 2nd, 2005, 05:54 PM
Do Myskina and Dementieva have any endorsements?Yes they do. Elena has a Samsung deal. Anastasia has Tropicana.
Vera Z. has at least one non-tennis endorsement deal.
There are probably others.

alwayshingis
Apr 2nd, 2005, 05:56 PM
Everyone thinks that the announcers are always against their favourites. I've had so many years of thinking that all the announcers hated Hingis. It's just because we are all more sensitive to when we hear something bad said about our favourite players. She doesn't have anything against V&S, she is just critical of them sometimes, like she is every other player.

lizchris
Apr 2nd, 2005, 05:57 PM
Everyone?

I stand corrected; most everyone.

lizchris
Apr 2nd, 2005, 05:59 PM
Everyone thinks that the announcers are always against their favourites. I've had so many years of thinking that all the announcers hated Hingis. It's just because we are all more sensitive to when we hear something bad said about our favourite players. She doesn't have anything against V&S, she is just critical of them sometimes, like she is every other player.


Except Sharapova.

Kabezya
Apr 2nd, 2005, 06:04 PM
Any you and everyone else on this board.

BTW, no one forced you to post or look at this thread.

But people force you to listen to Mary, any other commentator and take what they say as if it's insulting you personally :confused: If I am supposed to have self restraint with your words and posts why don't you ever show any?

creep
Apr 2nd, 2005, 06:05 PM
I stand corrected; most everyone.

That's okay sweetie. :)

lizchris
Apr 2nd, 2005, 06:06 PM
But people force you to listen to Mary, any other commentator and take what they say as if it's insulting you personally :confused: If I am supposed to have self restraint with your words and posts why don't you ever show any?


Because I started this thread and I can say what I want. I try to show restraint when in other people's threads.

alwayshingis
Apr 2nd, 2005, 06:07 PM
Except Sharapova.

Not true.

But the point is, Sharapova is the new young thing and they are very taken with her. Just like they were with V&S when they first started winning. In time, she will have bad things to say about Maria too, once people like Ivanovic and Kirilenko break through to the top, Mary will be talking about how Maria needs to get a fitness coach and add more variety to her game and get rid of her dad, you jsut wait and see.

Kabezya
Apr 2nd, 2005, 06:10 PM
Because I started this thread and I can say what I want. I try to show restraint when in other people's threads.

Mary, Mary Jo, all of them have a job and they can say what they want. How come you don't get that :shrug:

lizchris
Apr 2nd, 2005, 06:11 PM
Not true.

But the point is, Sharapova is the new young thing and they are very taken with her. Just like they were with V&S when they first started winning. In time, she will have bad things to say about Maria too, once people like Ivanovic and Kirilenko break through to the top, Mary will be talking about how Maria needs to get a fitness coach and add more variety to her game and get rid of her dad, you jsut wait and see.


Are you sure Yrui is now her coach? I thoguht Landsdorp was her coach?:confused:

alwayshingis
Apr 2nd, 2005, 06:13 PM
Are you sure Yrui is now her coach? I thoguht Landsdorp was her coach?:confused:

I didn't mean to imply that he was her coach, just that he needs to stop travelling with her and being generally annoying.

lizchris
Apr 2nd, 2005, 06:14 PM
Mary, Mary Jo, all of them have a job and they can say what they want. How come you don't get that :shrug:


They can say what they want, within the confinds of their contracts. Because they work for a private corporation, they are not proected by free speech rules.

lizchris
Apr 2nd, 2005, 06:16 PM
I didn't mean to imply that he was her coach, just that he needs to stop travelling with her and being generally annoying.

While I agree he is an annoying person, I have no problems with him traveling with her. She is under 18 (still) and she need at least one parent with her and since her mother doesn't like to watch her matches, he is the only one.

DementievaPowa
Apr 2nd, 2005, 06:19 PM
lizchris, get a life, you're so obsessed with mary

Kabezya
Apr 2nd, 2005, 06:21 PM
They can say what they want, within the confinds of their contracts. Because they work for a private corporation, they are not proected by free speech rules.

I didn't know you were in law, but considering you are complaining yet again it must mean none of them have been fired - it doesn't seem they've overstepped anything in their contracts so they seem to be saying all that is fine within their contracts. Your complaints here don't seem to be affecting their freedom of speech one bit.

lizchris
Apr 2nd, 2005, 06:23 PM
lizchris, get a life, you're so obsessed with mary

You might want to get one of your own.:rolleyes:

This is only about the second of third post I have made regarding Mary Carillo in a while. I have other things to post about.

Joana
Apr 2nd, 2005, 06:25 PM
I am sure that Venus and Serena are heartbroken. :bigcry:

DementievaPowa
Apr 2nd, 2005, 06:26 PM
well not everyone is gonna like the willis :D

lizchris
Apr 2nd, 2005, 06:26 PM
I didn't know you were in law, but considering you are complaining yet again it must mean none of them have been fired - it doesn't seem they've overstepped anything in their contracts so they seem to be saying all that is fine within their contracts. Your complaints here don't seem to be affecting their freedom of speech one bit.


My posting a topic about Mary on WTAWorld isn't going to affect their jobs, nor should it.

FrauleinSteffi
Apr 3rd, 2005, 12:25 AM
think very hard why Mary & so many others Call Serena "Hollywood" as Billie Jean King does.....Last year Serena did have a good year but by her standards it was pretty dismal 2 titles & 0 slams & she was beaten by Jennifer Capriati 3 times & by Maria twice & by Davenport twice ...this year besidea the Australian Serena has won 0....she struggles to finish tournaments with her various injuries & off court distractions...case in point...Kim comes back & wins Indian Wells & Miami back to back....serena lost in OF to Venus who she had beaten 6 times in a row its a wake up call!

FrauleinSteffi
Apr 3rd, 2005, 12:39 AM
Im just saying Mary doesnt hate Venus or Serena...she just wishes they would focus more on tennis & less on other outside distractions like a Kim Clisters etc

faste5683
Apr 3rd, 2005, 12:47 AM
Her saying it is like a boil on my ass; unecessary.

So true. Then again, a good dermatologist can take care of that in no time...

:wavey:

lizchris
Apr 3rd, 2005, 12:57 AM
So true. Then again, a good dermatologist can take care of that in no time...

:wavey:


Sitting in a hot bath would take care of it too.:angel:

alexusjonesfan
Apr 3rd, 2005, 01:03 AM
well you've never needed proof liz

Brooks.
Apr 3rd, 2005, 01:13 AM
Mary Carillo is evil...............evil...................EVIL!!!!

pav
Apr 3rd, 2005, 01:27 AM
I know I become a little over sensitive whenMy fav. Player is being commentated on, it is a time when any of the silly repeated, uninformed statements come burbling out, but if it is about the opponent ,oh I don't mind. My pet hate over the last couple of Years is the Dribbly dick old Bugger Who becomes as greasy as a Butcher's cock as soon as Masha makes an appearance, I think it is the same offender,unless there is a couple of them that sound the same, hell You can almost hear Their/His Prostate Gland creaking! :fiery:

vettipooh
Apr 3rd, 2005, 01:48 AM
Im just saying Mary doesnt hate Venus or Serena...she just wishes they would focus more on tennis & less on other outside distractions like a Kim Clisters etc But the sisters have 11 slams between them...Kim has none....Serena's being the more recent AO. So maybe Mary needs to let it go.

Yonexforever
Apr 3rd, 2005, 03:55 AM
Mary Joe clearly has biases based on her relationships with certain players.
It's hard for some former marginal players to be objective without being somewhat jealous.
Then again McEnroe can be quite obnoxious and high handed as well to players whose games he doesn't respect.
Bud Collins has his detractors, but no one can question his fairness and tennis knowledge.
Mary Carillo used to be a good, but clearly has started believing her press since she branched out from tennis.

~CANUCK~
Apr 3rd, 2005, 04:05 AM
Didn't she also say that venus played a great week. And then she gave serena a compliment saying that she is one of the best fighters on tour.

Wannabeknowitall
Apr 3rd, 2005, 04:09 AM
I'm sorry but that's total bullshyt. Mary likes the Williams sisters. She just expects more from them. Mary Carillo called Serena bootylicious at Wimbledon last year. Now what other commentator would even attempt to say that.

densuprun
Apr 3rd, 2005, 04:38 AM
I think Mary just expects more of the Williams sisters, especially Serena. Serena's tennis accomplishments could have been much more spectacular if her focus on the game and desire to improve were more Graf-like. From Mary's point of view, Serena may win 10 Slams in her career and that would still mean that Serena would have wasted her tennis talent away, in comparison to what she could have accomplished (probably, an almost undisputable #1 of all time). If she had only reduced distractions to a minimum and took care of her body. Such a waste of talent would sadden anyone who is primarily a tennis fan and who doesn't care about Serena's other achievements that will never rival in their significance what she could have done in tennis.

Black Mamba.
Apr 3rd, 2005, 04:39 AM
Here's how I see it. In the world of athletics especially tennis the career lifespan isn't very long considering the players usually turn pro when they're teens. As a result you need to make your money as fast as you can while you're still famous because once you stop winning the fame and the endorsements gradually go away. Vee and Serena seem to see the bigger picture that their bodies aren't going to allow them to play tennis forever so they are trying to set up other ventures while they are still famous so they can maintain their fame and wealth once they retire.

JenFan75
Apr 3rd, 2005, 05:31 AM
"I wish some of the other top players (Venus and Serena) have to ability to say no to other interests like Maria does".

What the hell is wrong with having a life outside of tennis?


*exclamation*

Jakeev
Apr 3rd, 2005, 05:43 AM
Ultimately, Mary perhaps is still the best female commentator on television. She is pretty much no-nonsense.

And while I have in the past rolled my eyes at Williams fans because they would berate any negative thing said about them, I actually kinda agree with what they say today.

I had a problem with Mary for a long time because of her attitude toward Monica Seles. Mary used to be one of her biggest critics.

But what pissed me off about her for years was when Monica was trying to recover from her stabbing, she suggest that Monica was a drama queen and was waiting for the right moment to get back in the spotlight.

Believe me, I would cringe everytime I had to hear a Mary Carillo commentary after that.

Commentators are supposed to be objective in their commentary. But really, what commentator really is?

~ The Leopard ~
Apr 3rd, 2005, 06:19 AM
I'm still trying to work out who this Carillo chick is, and why it matters. :shrug:

Jakeev
Apr 3rd, 2005, 10:41 AM
I'm still trying to work out who this Carillo chick is, and why it matters. :shrug:

Well Mary is a former, and to be honest, mediorce tennis player, who's main claim to fame was winning the 77 French mixed with her old friend John McEnroe.

Well, she has been doing this I think for nearly 19 years or so. Austin, Shriver and Fernandez where still playing when Mary first became a tennis analysist.

I thought she was a breath of fresh air when she first came on the scene. I couldn't stand JoAnne Russell and I could just tolerate Virginia Wade when they were commentating in the 80s.

hingis-seles
Apr 3rd, 2005, 02:27 PM
lizchris = :retard:

starr
Apr 3rd, 2005, 02:29 PM
.

She also seemd to take umbrage at what Serena said about being an entertainer, not just an athlete. Is she still mad that Serena won the AO? If so, get the fuck over it.:rolleyes:

Maybe Mary saw the "global icon" quote. :)

starr
Apr 3rd, 2005, 02:32 PM
Well Mary is a former, and to be honest, mediorce tennis player, who's main claim to fame was winning the 77 French mixed with her old friend John McEnroe.



Calling Mary a mediorce tennis player is high praise. :)

I like Mary although I used to like her better. She is articulate, doesn't have an annoying voice, knows tennis, and can be very very funny. One of the few tennis announcers who has made me laugh out loud.

Ok. Pammy has made me laugh, but I was lauging AT her. :devil:

starr
Apr 3rd, 2005, 02:34 PM
Because I started this thread and I can say what I want. I try to show restraint when in other people's threads.

Operative verb in that sentence is "try." :lol: meaning that you "try" but you fail. :)

To quote your fave's sponsor. JUST DO IT!

Experimentee
Apr 3rd, 2005, 02:40 PM
Everyone thinks that the announcers are always against their favourites. I've had so many years of thinking that all the announcers hated Hingis. It's just because we are all more sensitive to when we hear something bad said about our favourite players. She doesn't have anything against V&S, she is just critical of them sometimes, like she is every other player.

Thats not really true of everyone. I can usually tell when the commentators like or hate someone by their comments, and I'd say that most of my commentators like the Williams sisters, and only 2 who hate them. I dont know about Carillo bc I'm not American, but from some of the stuff I've heard she said, I think its obvious she doesnt like them (not talking about this comment but some others).

starr
Apr 3rd, 2005, 02:46 PM
That's because you get Williams fans posting the quite mild negative things Carillo says about Serena and Venus and you don't hear any of the number of very nice compliments she pays them.

Carillo has a sarcastic sense of humor, and she probalby has been snide about nearly every top tennis player. LizChris has a very thin skin.... actually it would more accurately be referred to as a "membrane" :)

Pam and MJF used to drive me crazy about the way they would bash Martina Hingis and drool over the sisters Williams, but according to posters here, Pam and MJF don't like Venus and Serena. It's just that they can't bear to hear one single solitary negative thing said about either one of them. (referring to the complainers, not the entire group of Williams fans who I am sure in large part are sane and reasonable people. :) )

Julia1968
Apr 3rd, 2005, 03:33 PM
The problem is that some people ONLY REMEMBER THE NEGATIVE THINGS. :rolleyes: According to some people here, ALL COMMENTATORS hate the Williams Sisters.

And breaking news, just because you're negative toward someone DOESN'T MEAN THAT YOU HATE OR DISLIKE THEM. :rolleyes:

In this discussion forum, there is one person in particular that is hypercritical of every tennis commentator in regards to the W's.

She even attacks Sweet Polly Purebread, Mary Jo Fernandez. Whether it was Tracy Austin, Martina Navratilova, Chris Evert, Mary Carillo, or Pam Shriver, her negativity has touched ALL of them in some fashion (pardon the pun).

How can someone like that call themselves a "fan" of tennis when everything she types about the sport (commentators, other players, and even to whom receives endorsements in the sport) is negative????

moby
Apr 3rd, 2005, 03:39 PM
Julia: 1
Lizchris: 0

Seriously, lizchris needs to get out more. She lives her life so vicariously through Venus and Serena, it's disconcerting to say the least.

raquel
Apr 3rd, 2005, 03:43 PM
We don't get Mary Carillo here but Jo Durie just comes plain out and says it. Theres no "other players" line from Jo, she just says 'I think Venus and Serena would be better concentrating more on tennis'. During Maria v Venus she said "I just wish Venus and Serena would concentrate on the tennis side more" and then totally contradicted herself about 3 minutes later saying their reality TV show will help raise the profile of tennis in America where it badly needs some publicity and how great it could be for tennis as a whole. You can't get on their backs for having outside interests and then be thrilled because as household names they are getting a TV show to boost the publicity of the sport.

Jo also moaned about Serena attending a movie premiere and used it as an example of their outside interests and how it may affect their game. Let's say the movie premiere started at 8pm - who's to say Serena wasn't on the practice courts in the morning/afternoon? She's won the biggest event on offer so far this year so she must be doing something right.

rjd1111
Apr 3rd, 2005, 04:51 PM
She was actually complimenting Venus on what she saw and how she was coming to net. Get over it :rolleyes: I cant believe Maria is going to make 23 Million and shes only won one slam.



I am tired of hearing about Scarapova's 23 million. I read over a year ago where the Williams Sisters are Worth over 250 Million. Only about 30 Mil is from Prize Money. The Rest is from endorsements and Business. A recent Article said that Serena is the highest Paid Female Athlete with Tiger on the Male Side.

lizchris
Apr 3rd, 2005, 05:09 PM
Julia: 1
Lizchris: 0

Seriously, lizchris needs to get out more. She lives her life so vicariously through Venus and Serena, it's disconcerting to say the least.


Actually, I have been out today. I couldn't go out yesterday, because there was bad weather on the East Coast yesterday.:rolleyes:

Actually, it is more like everybody 1,000,000, Julia 0. She rarely has anything to say that makes sense and due to her own stupidity, got banned from this board once.

lizchris
Apr 3rd, 2005, 05:12 PM
I am tired of hearing about Scarapova's 23 million. I read over a year ago where the Williams Sisters are Worth over 250 Million. Only about 30 Mil is from Prize Money. The Rest is from endorsements and Business. A recent Article said that Serena is the highest Paid Female Athlete with Tiger on the Male Side.


I don't know how much the Williams sisters are worth, but it is true that Serena was the highest paid female atlete in 2004, based on tour winnings and endorsments (she was second in prize money to Sharapova, but first in other earnings). I don't know who is going to be the highest paid female athlete in 2005, but I can tell you Sharapova isn't making 23 million in endorsement money.

DA FOREHAND
Apr 3rd, 2005, 05:23 PM
I don't know how much the Williams sisters are worth, but it is true that Serena was the highest paid female atlete in 2004, based on tour winnings and endorsments (she was second in prize money to Sharapova, but first in other earnings). I don't know who is going to be the highest paid female athlete in 2005, but I can tell you Sharapova isn't making 23 million in endorsement money.
Highest paid athlete in the history of female sports :worship: :worship:

Took over from her big sister Venus Williams :worship: :worship: :worship:

Dana Marcy
Apr 3rd, 2005, 05:27 PM
"I wish some of the other top players (Venus and Serena) have to ability to say no to other interests like Maria does".

What the hell is wrong with having a life outside of tennis?

Lizchris, I like Mary Carillo for the most part because we can't deny that she's good at her job. However, there's a bitterness about her (I hear it sometimes) re: her tennis career. She said once "I won my last Slam in 1977" (Mixed Doubles with McEnroe). :confused: Did she win any others?? :rolleyes:

lizchris
Apr 3rd, 2005, 05:43 PM
Lizchris, I like Mary Carillo for the most part because we can't deny that she's good at her job. However, there's a bitterness about her (I hear it sometimes) re: her tennis career. She said once "I won my last Slam in 1977" (Mixed Doubles with McEnroe). :confused: Did she win any others?? :rolleyes:


I don't believe she won any other Slams.

I am not saying she is a good commentator, but I wish she'd get off the Williams sisters' backs, especially Serena's.

creep
Apr 3rd, 2005, 07:08 PM
Actually, I have been out today. I couldn't go out yesterday, because there was bad weather on the East Coast yesterday.:rolleyes:

Actually, it is more like everybody 1,000,000, Julia 0. She rarely has anything to say that makes sense and due to her own stupidity, got banned from this board once.

Where did you go sweetie, can I ask?:)

hingis-seles
Apr 3rd, 2005, 07:20 PM
lizchris, where'd you go? The backyard or the down the driveway? Or did you actually make it a walk down the street today.....:tape:

Denise4925
Apr 3rd, 2005, 07:33 PM
Mary Joe clearly has biases based on her relationships with certain players.
It's hard for some former marginal players to be objective without being somewhat jealous.
Then again McEnroe can be quite obnoxious and high handed as well to players whose games he doesn't respect.
Bud Collins has his detractors, but no one can question his fairness and tennis knowledge.
Mary Carillo used to be a good, but clearly has started believing her press since she branched out from tennis.
I totally agree here.

lizchris
Apr 3rd, 2005, 07:35 PM
lizchris, where'd you go? The backyard or the down the driveway? Or did you actually make it a walk down the street today.....:tape:


Try the supermarket. I have a family to feed.

Julia1968
Apr 3rd, 2005, 07:43 PM
The problem is that some people ONLY REMEMBER THE NEGATIVE THINGS. :rolleyes: According to some people here, ALL COMMENTATORS hate the Williams Sisters.

And breaking news, just because you're negative toward someone DOESN'T MEAN THAT YOU HATE OR DISLIKE THEM. :rolleyes:

I agree, Doc. Those types of attitudes are very childish and immature.

What is so amazing and ironic about the "bellyaching" which started this thread is that historically, commentators have always picked out players weaknesses and discussed them during matches. Even their personal lives. The relationship between Burt Reynolds (yuck) and Chris Evert got a lot of air time during her matches in the '70's. That type of commentating began a couple of decades before either W's ever played the sport.

All of today's commentators have endured similiar type of scrutiny during their playing days. Why should the W sisters be given a "pass" in this instance??? Why should they be treated any differently than the hundred's of others????

creep
Apr 3rd, 2005, 07:43 PM
Try the supermarket. I have a family to feed.


Iím thinking itís about time somebody cooked you a nice meal. Iím a gourmet chef, next time Iím in the area Iíll come over and cook you candlelight dinner for two.;)

Denise4925
Apr 3rd, 2005, 07:46 PM
I agree, Doc. Those types of attitudes are very childish and immature.

What is so amazing and ironic about the "bellyaching" which started this thread is that historically, commentators have always picked out players weaknesses and discussed them during matches. Even their personal lives. The relationship between Burt Reynolds (yuck) and Chris Evert got a lot of air time during her matches in the '70's. That type of commentating began a couple of decades before either W's ever played the sport.

All of today's commentators have endured similiar type of scrutiny during their playing days. Why should the W sisters be given a "pass" in this instance??? Why should they be treated any differently than the hundred's of others????
SWOOP

Justeenium
Apr 3rd, 2005, 07:47 PM
I agree, Doc. Those types of attitudes are very childish and immature.

What is so amazing and ironic about the "bellyaching" which started this thread is that historically, commentators have always picked out players weaknesses and discussed them during matches. Even their personal lives. The relationship between Burt Reynolds (yuck) and Chris Evert got a lot of air time during her matches in the '70's. That type of commentating began a couple of decades before either W's ever played the sport.

All of today's commentators have endured similiar type of scrutiny during their playing days. Why should the W sisters be given a "pass" in this instance??? Why should they be treated any differently than the hundred's of others????

well said.

Why does everyone hate you and call you a troll? Is it that the Williams loving :retard:s call people who state facts trolls?

lizchris
Apr 3rd, 2005, 07:48 PM
Iím thinking itís about time somebody cooked you a nice meal. Iím a gourmet chef, next time Iím in the area Iíll come over and cook you candlelight dinner for two.;)


Thanks, but no thanks;) . Though I am not a gourmet chef, I can cook for myself and my family.

Justeenium
Apr 3rd, 2005, 07:48 PM
SWOOP
once again Dede, you can not face the truth so you resort to ad hom attacks.

I would have thought by now with natural selection that people as dumb as you would not exist anymore, I was wrong.

creep
Apr 3rd, 2005, 07:52 PM
Thanks, but no thanks;) . Though I am not a gourmet chef, I can cook for myself and my family.

Now I'm not talking KFC bargain bucket.;) Although you would probably find my finger lickin good.

Denise4925
Apr 3rd, 2005, 07:54 PM
To answer your question Liz, I don't think that Mary Carillo has anything against the sisters, I just think that all of the commentators get on the same bandwagon of being negative and saying the same negative rhetoric about all of the top players. By the same token, they get on a bandwagon of saying the same good things all of the time about the top players. They need new material because hearing the same things all of the time about the same players gets boring. It seems they give more respect in calling the men's matches and concentrating on the match at hand, then they do the women. It seems on the womens side, they get on a tangent and can't seem to call the match like it should be called.

lizchris
Apr 3rd, 2005, 08:04 PM
Now I'm not talking KFC bargain bucket.;) Although you would probably find my finger lickin good.

I only go to places like KFC on Fridays and Saturdays, the days I don't cook. I cook the other days of the week.

starr
Apr 3rd, 2005, 08:05 PM
Lizchris, I like Mary Carillo for the most part because we can't deny that she's good at her job. However, there's a bitterness about her (I hear it sometimes) re: her tennis career. She said once "I won my last Slam in 1977" (Mixed Doubles with McEnroe). :confused: Did she win any others?? :rolleyes:

Oh please. Get a clue. She makes fun of herself as a tennis player. She has said more than once that she has that title soley because she was JMac's friend and he picked her as a tennis partner. I mean, by winning mixed doubles with Mary, he proved he could win with anyone. Carillo has no illusions about her ability as a tennis player.

lizchris
Apr 3rd, 2005, 08:07 PM
To answer your question Liz, I don't think that Mary Carillo has anything against the sisters, I just think that all of the commentators get on the same bandwagon of being negative and saying the same negative rhetoric about all of the top players. By the same token, they get on a bandwagon of saying the same good things all of the time about the top players. They need new material because hearing the same things all of the time about the same players gets boring. It seems they give more respect in calling the men's matches and concentrating on the match at hand, then they do the women. It seems on the womens side, they get on a tangent and can't seem to call the match like it should be called.


I'll agree with you there. I just finished watching the men's final at the Nadsaq-100 and not once did you hear anything about who was doing what off the court, how much money someone made in endorsements and the normal bullshit you hear in a women's match.

Julia1968
Apr 3rd, 2005, 08:08 PM
well said.

Why does everyone hate you and call you a troll? Is it that the Williams loving :retard:s call people who state facts trolls?


:wavey:

I think some people are so negative that all they have to offer is ad hominem. When they can't respond to logical facts, all they can do is "swoop".

Do you remember when BJK and Navratilova's palimony suits were widely talked about by commentators???? Or Graf's father/tax problems??? Or Evert-Lloyd's divorce???? Or Becker's marital problems???? Or Borg's drug/marital problems???

Those are just a few examples of players lives that were discussed by commentators. Right or wrong, its been done for decades. The author of the original post of this thread may not have followed tennis that long to remember that, or she wouldn't have made such huge issues about mulitple commentators.

I just think its disingenous to attack our tennis commentators who have been historically consistent in their commentating.

starr
Apr 3rd, 2005, 08:10 PM
To answer your question Liz, I don't think that Mary Carillo has anything against the sisters, I just think that all of the commentators get on the same bandwagon of being negative and saying the same negative rhetoric about all of the top players. By the same token, they get on a bandwagon of saying the same good things all of the time about the top players. They need new material because hearing the same things all of the time about the same players gets boring. It seems they give more respect in calling the men's matches and concentrating on the match at hand, then they do the women. It seems on the womens side, they get on a tangent and can't seem to call the match like it should be called.

:worship:

It's like the media assign a "character" to tennis players. Yes, it has some foundation in truth, but nobody is any one single thing always. Kimmy is goodness and light, and her bitchy moments are glossed over. Justine is evil, and "the hand" incident is going to be brought up everytime she plays on TV no matter if that is for 10 more years. Venus and Serena have too many outside interests, although you know, if they can play this well without concentrating on tennis, it's pretty amazing.

vettipooh
Apr 3rd, 2005, 08:10 PM
I think those of you who are attacking lizchris, are being a bit unfair. MJ, MC, and Pam Shriver really do express biases where the sisters are concerned. They criticize every aspect of their game and lifestyle. Serena is not your ordinary tennis player...she's phenomenal. There has never been, nor will there ever be a tennis player like herself. She does not kiss ass, feel inferior or bow down to anyone...she is outrageous with her outfits, and exists off court on her own terms. The trio of commentators can't digest that because inspite of all this she continues to win...so they attack her every chance they get. No sweat. It does not affect Serena and Venus and it shouldn't affect us. V& S make them look stupid...almost all the time. When Maria lost love and love to Lindsay, did they say at the next tourny that maybe she needs to stay focused and not have outside interests?? Hell no. Had that been V or S, we would have heard it all throughout the Nasdaq tourny. She's their great white hope, a reflection of themselves. When it was said(over and over) that the sisters need new coaches, Richard came out with a verbal attack, and then they felt insulted, but they asked for it......Guess they want the sisters to fail on the courts so their theory can be supported..the old"I told you so". Ain't gonna happen.

Julia1968
Apr 3rd, 2005, 08:20 PM
I don't believe she won any other Slams.

I am not saying she is a good commentator, but I wish she'd get off the Williams sisters' backs, especially Serena's.

Carillo hasn't treated the W's any different than she treats other tennis athlete's.

In fact, when they once playing well and both winning slams, she was almost overly compliementary of their tennis.

Its not a huge secret in the world of tennis that the August 2003 - April 2005 W. Sisters are not the same players as the September 1999 - July 2003 W. Sisters. And those are the types of things commentators discuss. Everyone knows it. Why is it so bad that Carillo discusses it???

Julia1968
Apr 3rd, 2005, 08:28 PM
Man this thread is informative about liz life :drool:

I know. That shameless promotion of KFC was funny. :)

Anyone interested in maintaining a healthy lifestyle should avoid fried foods at all costs.

lizchris
Apr 3rd, 2005, 08:31 PM
Carillo hasn't treated the W's any different than she treats other tennis athlete's.

In fact, when they once playing well and both winning slams, she was almost overly compliementary of their tennis.

Its not a huge secret in the world of tennis that the August 2003 - April 2005 W. Sisters are not the same players as the September 1999 - July 2003 W. Sisters. And those are the types of things commentators discuss. Everyone knows it. Why is it so bad that Carillo discusses it???


It is obvoius that the sisters are not the same players they were once were and that is because of injury. You need not be Einstein to figure that one out.

Julia1968
Apr 3rd, 2005, 08:31 PM
She's their great white hope, a reflection of themselves.

Your attempt at race baiting has been duly noted and reported, however, not nibbled upon.

lizchris
Apr 3rd, 2005, 08:33 PM
I think those of you who are attacking lizchris, are being a bit unfair. MJ, MC, and Pam Shriver really do express biases where the sisters are concerned. They criticize every aspect of their game and lifestyle. Serena is not your ordinary tennis player...she's phenomenal. There has never been, nor will there ever be a tennis player like herself. She does not kiss ass, feel inferior or bow down to anyone...she is outrageous with her outfits, and exists off court on her own terms. The trio of commentators can't digest that because inspite of all this she continues to win...so they attack her every chance they get. No sweat. It does not affect Serena and Venus and it shouldn't affect us. V& S make them look stupid...almost all the time. When Maria lost love and love to Lindsay, did they say at the next tourny that maybe she needs to stay focused and not have outside interests?? Hell no. Had that been V or S, we would have heard it all throughout the Nasdaq tourny. She's their great white hope, a reflection of themselves. When it was said(over and over) that the sisters need new coaches, Richard came out with a verbal attack, and then they felt insulted, but they asked for it......Guess they want the sisters to fail on the courts so their theory can be supported..the old"I told you so". Ain't gonna happen.


:worship: :worship: :worship: :worship: :worship: :worship: :worship: :worship: :worship: :worship:

Julia1968
Apr 3rd, 2005, 08:35 PM
It is obvoius that the sisters are not the same players they were once were and that is because of injury. You need not be Einstein to figure that one out.

I absolutely disagree with you. SJW's knee is healed. VSW is healthy. Their current problem is their mental game. For decades in the sport of tennis, its been widely hypothesized that given equal ability, tennis is 90% mental.

vettipooh
Apr 3rd, 2005, 10:08 PM
Your attempt at race baiting has been duly noted and reported, however, not nibbled upon.No race baiting here. just a truth stated. :rolleyes: The facts are what they are. Opinions are what they are. Don't start no sh**, and there won't be none.:rolleyes:

Julia1968
Apr 3rd, 2005, 10:16 PM
No race baiting here. just a truth stated. :rolleyes: The facts are what they are. Opinions are what they are. Don't start no sh**, and there won't be none.:rolleyes:

Your opinion about the sport of tennis looking for the next "Great White Hope" (your statement, not mine) is subjective and without basis of fact.

You making that comment "Great White Hope" says much more about YOU, than the sport of tennis.

SJW
Apr 3rd, 2005, 10:16 PM
I absolutely disagree with you. SJW's knee is healed. VSW is healthy. Their current problem is their mental game. For decades in the sport of tennis, its been widely hypothesized that given equal ability, tennis is 90% mental.


i had to double take there...i was like "how the fuck did you know i hurt my knee? :scared: " then i realised Serena copied me.

anyway carry on people :)

SJW
Apr 3rd, 2005, 10:18 PM
We don't get Mary Carillo here but Jo Durie just comes plain out and says it. Theres no "other players" line from Jo, she just says 'I think Venus and Serena would be better concentrating more on tennis'. During Maria v Venus she said "I just wish Venus and Serena would concentrate on the tennis side more" and then totally contradicted herself about 3 minutes later saying their reality TV show will help raise the profile of tennis in America where it badly needs some publicity and how great it could be for tennis as a whole. You can't get on their backs for having outside interests and then be thrilled because as household names they are getting a TV show to boost the publicity of the sport.

Jo also moaned about Serena attending a movie premiere and used it as an example of their outside interests and how it may affect their game. Let's say the movie premiere started at 8pm - who's to say Serena wasn't on the practice courts in the morning/afternoon? She's won the biggest event on offer so far this year so she must be doing something right.

i agree. but then again the Eurosport commentators used to be all over V & Ss asses and it did start to make me sick. now they got a new play toy and that makes me sick too. it's a shame they cant talk about tennis when calling women's matches, but in mens tennis there's no comments like "i bought one of those catsuits for my wife" etc etc etc :)

vettipooh
Apr 3rd, 2005, 10:23 PM
Your opinion about the sport of tennis looking for the next "Great White Hope" (your statement, not mine) is subjective and without basis of fact.

You making that comment "Great White Hope" says much more about YOU, than the sport of tennis.You obviously don't know much about the sport of tennis, do you?? Your ignorance is excused. Sorry to disappoint you, but I can only please one person at a time...today is not your day... Tomorrow doesn't look good either. :lol:

Denise4925
Apr 3rd, 2005, 10:31 PM
You obviously don't know much about the sport of tennis, do you?? Your ignorance is excused. Sorry to disappoint you, but I can only please one person at a time...today is not your day... Tomorrow doesn't look good either. :lol:
:lol:

hingis-seles
Apr 4th, 2005, 02:32 AM
Try the supermarket. I have a family to feed.

Really? When do you feed them? You're always online posting about Mary Carillo, Silliams and Villams.

hingis-seles
Apr 4th, 2005, 02:34 AM
i had to double take there...i was like "how the fuck did you know i hurt my knee? :scared: " then i realised Serena copied me.

anyway carry on people :)

I was like when did SJW hurt her knee and how does Julia know all about it, when I first read that post. :p :lol:

Denise4925
Apr 4th, 2005, 05:11 AM
Really? When do you feed them? You're always online posting about Mary Carillo, Silliams and Villams.
;) You're being bad again. :p

:wavey:

Stamp Paid
Apr 4th, 2005, 07:27 AM
I have to be honest, there is a notable dicrepancy in the tennis commentary.

I watched serena destroy Cammy Pin 61 61 at the AO 1R 2005. Then I watched sharapova struggle, then rebound to defeat Linday Lee-waters.

serena was ripped to shreds from Mary Carillo, on every frontier, from her game, to her groundstrokes, to her fahion, to her non-tennis interests: whilst sharapova as lauded for her ability to fight despite the errors coming from her own unorthodo forehand.

serena outlasted Maria in the AO sf, and ended up sith 11+ winners and -5 errors: yet sharapova played the better match and was the better player. she even said sharapova has more willingness to go to net than any other Russian. Anyone who knows and loves Petrova (as I do) knows that isnt true.

Mary Carillo, IMO, resents the sisters because he doesn't like their work ethic, and she doen't like the fact that they don't give back to the game in way that she would like them to (a if their work ith inner-city children i omehow not good enough, but I digre). she would want them to be the #1 and #2 in the world because she knows their talent; yet she is frustrated with them for not taking full advantage of their potential. Thus, the contant criticism.

Mary Joe is very nice to the williamses, unless she is goaded into the criticism by either Pam or Mary. Put her in the booth ith a male commentator not named McEnroe, (although he as quite objective in their QF match) and she is very objective, as well as complimentary of them.

Pam, on the other hand, I think has jealouy issues with the williamses, and this is why she is very enthusiastic towards any player that she sees potential in beating them consistently. (Clijsters, Henin-Hardenne, Capriati, Davenport, etc.)

Then there also the fact that many commentators are paid by the marketing agencies like IMG to "hype up" their player. MJF actually is in bed with IMG (no pun intended).

I'm not prepared to say its racism, per se, but there are definite inconsistencies with the commentary, when you compare matches of the williamses, with those of other top players. (Davenport, Capriati, Clijsters, etc.)

Also, the fact that in America, the bulk of the tennis matches we see, male or female, are those of the williamses, could boster the perception that there is a discrepancy with the commentary, simply because there is a greater quantity of williams matches that we see as opposed to other top player. I thought it was disrepectful that Lindsay Davenport, the world's #1, AND an American as only shown in 3 out of 7 matches.

Stamp Paid
Apr 4th, 2005, 07:31 AM
sorry, the 'w' and 's' keys on my keyboard are broken :mad: so I had to copy and paste every single 'w' and 's' in that post. :mad: o forgive me if ome are miing (like in thi entence. :mad: :o )

hablo
Apr 4th, 2005, 07:42 AM
Julia: 1
Lizchris: 0

Seriously, lizchris needs to get out more. She lives her life so vicariously through Venus and Serena, it's disconcerting to say the least.

I thought Lizchris was a he?? :confused:

hingis-seles
Apr 4th, 2005, 08:29 AM
;) You're being bad again. :p

:wavey:

:devil:

I just can't help myself. :p :lol:

:kiss:

Veritas
Apr 4th, 2005, 08:55 AM
"I wish some of the other top players (Venus and Serena) have to ability to say no to other interests like Maria does".

What the hell is wrong with having a life outside of tennis?

Mary Carillo's entitled to her opinions, and I don't believe there's a clause in her employment contract or whatever to put a lid on some of the things that she says.

Here's what I think is wrong with putting too much notice on what a commentator says:

- Venus and Serena earn millions from both their endorsements and tennis. They need to spend a lot of their time honing their oncourt skills and fulfilling sponsor obligations. I don't think they'd have much time to notice - let alone care - about what every other commentator or observer thinks of them. I mean, they know they're famous and because of that a lot of people will have something to say about them. Venus and Serena obviously can't be bothered to waste their time thinking about how others see them. My point is that if Venus and Serena (most likely) don't care, then I don't see what's the point of their fans doing the caring for them?

- It's nice and all to put up a thread for discussion, but if there's little to no chance that Mary or any other commentator will read or notice what you have to say about 'em, then it really is wasting your own time. And it obviously irritates some people here as well.

And speaking of that, wouldn't it be more productive to, y'know, send a letter of complaint or call in to the TV station that Mary's working at or do something to get into direct contact with her? Won't that give you a much better chance at telling her what you think of her commentating? I'm not saying it's wrong of you to post these kind of threads up - don't get me wrong - but I don't think that complaining to a group of message-board users will do much to change or improve anything.

- Commentators are there to analyse and give their perspective on a player. That's their job.

I hope you didn't take offence. Anyway, I think Mary is a bit biased and it seems it's Venus and Serena who cop the other end of the stick. Still, she's entitled to speaking her mind...

SJW
Apr 4th, 2005, 10:50 AM
I was like when did SJW hurt her knee and how does Julia know all about it, when I first read that post. :p :lol:

i hurt it like 2 weeks ago and it fuckin killed for a few days but now its ok. but that post really did scare me :scared:

lizchris
Apr 4th, 2005, 12:59 PM
Really? When do you feed them? You're always online posting about Mary Carillo, Silliams and Villams.


Try around dinner time, which is anytime between 6:00-7:30, after I get home from work.:rolleyes:

hingis-seles
Apr 4th, 2005, 03:51 PM
Try around dinner time, which is anytime between 6:00-7:30, after I get home from work.:rolleyes:

You work?! :eek: I thought you were on welfare.

lizchris
Apr 4th, 2005, 04:02 PM
You work?! :eek: I thought you were on welfare.


Not all of us (black Americans) are on welfare, but nice try.

hingis-seles
Apr 4th, 2005, 04:10 PM
Not all of us (black Americans) are on welfare, but nice try.

You're a black American? :eek:

Aquanetta
Apr 4th, 2005, 04:13 PM
Why should it matter what Mary Carillo thinks? To this Serena fan, she and her opinions mean nothing.

Denise4925
Apr 4th, 2005, 04:18 PM
I have to be honest, there is a notable dicrepancy in the tennis commentary.

I watched serena destroy Cammy Pin 61 61 at the AO 1R 2005. Then I watched sharapova struggle, then rebound to defeat Linday Lee-waters.

serena was ripped to shreds from Mary Carillo, on every frontier, from her game, to her groundstrokes, to her fahion, to her non-tennis interests: whilst sharapova as lauded for her ability to fight despite the errors coming from her own unorthodo forehand.

serena outlasted Maria in the AO sf, and ended up sith 11+ winners and -5 errors: yet sharapova played the better match and was the better player. she even said sharapova has more willingness to go to net than any other Russian. Anyone who knows and loves Petrova (as I do) knows that isnt true.

Mary Carillo, IMO, resents the sisters because he doesn't like their work ethic, and she doen't like the fact that they don't give back to the game in way that she would like them to (a if their work ith inner-city children i omehow not good enough, but I digre). she would want them to be the #1 and #2 in the world because she knows their talent; yet she is frustrated with them for not taking full advantage of their potential. Thus, the contant criticism.

Mary Joe is very nice to the williamses, unless she is goaded into the criticism by either Pam or Mary. Put her in the booth ith a male commentator not named McEnroe, (although he as quite objective in their QF match) and she is very objective, as well as complimentary of them.

Pam, on the other hand, I think has jealouy issues with the williamses, and this is why she is very enthusiastic towards any player that she sees potential in beating them consistently. (Clijsters, Henin-Hardenne, Capriati, Davenport, etc.)

Then there also the fact that many commentators are paid by the marketing agencies like IMG to "hype up" their player. MJF actually is in bed with IMG (no pun intended).

I'm not prepared to say its racism, per se, but there are definite inconsistencies with the commentary, when you compare matches of the williamses, with those of other top players. (Davenport, Capriati, Clijsters, etc.)

Also, the fact that in America, the bulk of the tennis matches we see, male or female, are those of the williamses, could boster the perception that there is a discrepancy with the commentary, simply because there is a greater quantity of williams matches that we see as opposed to other top player. I thought it was disrepectful that Lindsay Davenport, the world's #1, AND an American as only shown in 3 out of 7 matches.
You make great points about Mary Carillo Justin. I don't see MJ as harsh as Pam and Mary C. Mary C was notorius during AO with Serena and Vee, but moreso with Serena. It was so bad with her, I wrote several emails to ESPN complaining and friends of mine did the same. Like you said, comments like Maria played a better match against Serena just doesn't wash with the statistics and the outcome and she just comes off looking like a disgruntled fan.

lizchris
Apr 4th, 2005, 04:18 PM
You're a black American? :eek:


No, I just play one on TV:rolleyes: :mad:

icequeen
Apr 4th, 2005, 04:52 PM
I'm sorry but that's total bullshyt. Mary likes the Williams sisters. She just expects more from them. Mary Carillo called Serena bootylicious at Wimbledon last year. Now what other commentator would even attempt to say that.


Yea, we all know that mary is a little light in the loafters.

icequeen
Apr 4th, 2005, 04:53 PM
I think Mary just expects more of the Williams sisters, especially Serena. Serena's tennis accomplishments could have been much more spectacular if her focus on the game and desire to improve were more Graf-like. From Mary's point of view, Serena may win 10 Slams in her career and that would still mean that Serena would have wasted her tennis talent away, in comparison to what she could have accomplished (probably, an almost undisputable #1 of all time). If she had only reduced distractions to a minimum and took care of her body. Such a waste of talent would sadden anyone who is primarily a tennis fan and who doesn't care about Serena's other achievements that will never rival in their significance what she could have done in tennis.

How do you know that?

hingis-seles
Apr 4th, 2005, 07:13 PM
No, I just play one on TV:rolleyes: :mad:

They let people like you come on TV? :eek:

creep
Apr 4th, 2005, 07:20 PM
They let people like you come on TV? :eek:

Please please let it be Stacey Dash!!!! :)

hingis-seles
Apr 4th, 2005, 07:24 PM
Please please let it be Stacey Dash!!!! :)

Oh alright. But only because you're engaged to her. :p :lol:

creep
Apr 4th, 2005, 07:28 PM
Oh alright. But only because you're engaged to her. :p :lol:


Yeah, and if you don't stop misbehavin, you won't be invited to our engagement party. ;)

lizchris
Apr 4th, 2005, 07:29 PM
They let people like you come on TV? :eek:


Do you believe everything people say?:confused:

VeeReeDavJCap81
Apr 4th, 2005, 07:40 PM
It's so obvious that Mary Carillo hates Serena. I hate when Mary Carillo is commentating on a Serena match. All we hear is negativity. And she contradicts herself SOOOOOOO much. At the AO for example. During the 4r match with Petrova, she said the Serena should win the whole tournament. Then one round ONE round later in the Mauresmo match when Cliff Drysdale asked her if Serena was the favorite she said "She should be the favorite, but it's really an open field" And don't even get me started on how horrible she was duing the SF match with Sharapova. There was one point where....Mary Carillo said "Count on Sharapova to win the long rallies because her technique is so beautiful" right after she smacked a forehand way long. And I also noticed that when Serena would hit a winner, or cause an error from Sharapova Mary would say NOTHING. Cliff would point out things here and there, but Mary kept her mouth shut when Serena was hitting great shots.

So I don't think Mary hates the Williams', just Serena. Because when she's commentating on a Venus match, she might say something negative here and there (she always has something negative to say) it's not nearly as brutal or harsh as when Serena is on the court. The opposite with Pam. She clearly does not like Venus, but is a lot more objective but still harsh when Serena is playing.

Was anyone surprised at how nice and genuine Pat McEnroe was when Vee and Ree played at Miami??? He didn't say one bad thing about either of them. I was like :eek:

Denise4925
Apr 4th, 2005, 07:42 PM
Do you believe everything people say?:confused:
liz, why are you letting the little ones run your thread. Ignore those silly antics and get back on your subject, girl. :yeah:

Denise4925
Apr 4th, 2005, 07:45 PM
It's so obvious that Mary Carillo hates Serena. I hate when Mary Carillo is commentating on a Serena match. All we hear is negativity. And she contradicts herself SOOOOOOO much. At the AO for example. During the 4r match with Petrova, she said the Serena should win the whole tournament. Then one round ONE round later in the Mauresmo match when Cliff Drysdale asked her if Serena was the favorite she said "She should be the favorite, but it's really an open field" And don't even get me started on how horrible she was duing the SF match with Sharapova. There was one point where....Mary Carillo said "Count on Sharapova to win the long rallies because her technique is so beautiful" right after she smacked a forehand way long. And I also noticed that when Serena would hit a winner, or cause an error from Sharapova Mary would say NOTHING. Cliff would point out things here and there, but Mary kept her mouth shut when Serena was hitting great shots.

So I don't think Mary hates the Williams', just Serena. Because when she's commentating on a Venus match, she might say something negative here and there (she always has something negative to say) it's not nearly as brutal or harsh as when Serena is on the court. The opposite with Pam. She clearly does not like Venus, but is a lot more objective but still harsh when Serena is playing.

Was anyone surprised at how nice and genuine Pat McEnroe was when Vee and Ree played at Miami??? He didn't say one bad thing about either of them. I was like :eek:
I totally agree here. :worship: :worship: :worship: But, I love when they criticize the Sisters and praise the opponent during a particular rally. Invariably, the opponents make an error or the Sisters hit a winner. :lol:

LeRoy.
Apr 4th, 2005, 08:05 PM
:lizchris:

I don't know if she is that innocent or just simple minded. :lol:

lizchris
Apr 4th, 2005, 08:20 PM
liz, why are you letting the little ones run your thread. Ignore those silly antics and get back on your subject, girl. :yeah:

Yes, you are right. Let's get back to the subject.

lizchris
Apr 4th, 2005, 08:22 PM
Was anyone surprised at how nice and genuine Pat McEnroe was when Vee and Ree played at Miami??? He didn't say one bad thing about either of them. I was like :eek:


I was, especially after the way he talked about Serena after her controversial loss at the USO.

GoDominique
Apr 4th, 2005, 08:24 PM
That's a really tough battle right now between lizchris and Denise. :eek:

LeRoy.
Apr 4th, 2005, 08:36 PM
I don't know if she is that innocent or just simple minded. :lol:

She thinks i am simple minded because i thought Maria was going to win Miami.:lol:.Wonder what it makes her because she thought a Williams would win it and neither of them even got to the final :haha:

DevilishAttitude
Apr 4th, 2005, 08:36 PM
Lizchris clearly leads a very sad life. She only ever brings shit up about her faves yet interestingly rarely praises them. She is one of the most racist posters on the board yet plays the race card pretty much every day. The only reason she's never been banned is cos she's a Williams fan :rolleyes:. She wins the battle against Denise though cos you can laugh at her and feel sorry for her. Denise only ever brings sorrow to her deranged and breathtakingly brain-dead life :sad:

kabuki
Apr 4th, 2005, 08:38 PM
Yea, we all know that mary is a little light in the loafters.


:confused: :confused: :confused:

lizchris
Apr 4th, 2005, 08:43 PM
She thinks i am simple minded because i thought Maria was going to win Miami.:lol:.Wonder what it makes her because she thought a Williams would win it and neither of them even got to the final :haha:


At least they have won it (three times each).:rolleyes:

lizchris
Apr 4th, 2005, 08:44 PM
Lizchris clearly leads a very sad life. She only ever brings shit up about her faves yet interestingly rarely praises them. She is one of the most racist posters on the board yet plays the race card pretty much every day. The only reason she's never been banned is cos she's a Williams fan :rolleyes:. She wins the battle against Denise though cos you can laugh at her and feel sorry for her. Denise only ever brings sorrow to her deranged and breathtakingly brain-dead life :sad:


I haven't been banned, like your pal Juila1968, because I have never been stupid enough to write things that are so imflamitory I would have to be banned.

"Topaz"
Apr 4th, 2005, 08:46 PM
I feel I have to bring up this point. Don't you notice Mary Carillo uses the word "wingspan" only regarding Venus? It gives the impression that Mary sometimes sees some kind of animal in Venus, say, a bat. These things are deep-seated and unconscious; they come out your mouth as if to reveal what is inside. She never uses that word for anybody else, men or women.

Black Mamba.
Apr 4th, 2005, 08:48 PM
I was, especially after the way he talked about Serena after her controversial loss at the USO.


He was only nice because his boy Andy wasn't there.

lizchris
Apr 4th, 2005, 08:59 PM
He was only nice because his boy Andy wasn't there.


Yes, poor Andy hurt his wrist and had to retire. It was too bad because I think he would have made the final.

RVD
Apr 4th, 2005, 08:59 PM
I used to like Mary C, until she lost her mind. poor thang. :tape: :lol: I think it happened around the IW fiasco.
Anyway, it would certainly be nice to see more color in the commentary booth. I remember YEARS ago when Zina had a short stint. She was refreshingly sweet. But for some strange reason, she looked really scared. :confused: Like she was thinking if she said the wrong thing the other commentators would beat her. :tape: :lol: Are maybe she was being forced to commentate at gunpoint. ;)

iWill
Apr 5th, 2005, 10:34 PM
I have to be honest, there is a notable dicrepancy in the tennis commentary.

I watched serena destroy Cammy Pin 61 61 at the AO 1R 2005. Then I watched sharapova struggle, then rebound to defeat Linday Lee-waters.

serena was ripped to shreds from Mary Carillo, on every frontier, from her game, to her groundstrokes, to her fahion, to her non-tennis interests: whilst sharapova as lauded for her ability to fight despite the errors coming from her own unorthodo forehand.

serena outlasted Maria in the AO sf, and ended up sith 11+ winners and -5 errors: yet sharapova played the better match and was the better player. she even said sharapova has more willingness to go to net than any other Russian. Anyone who knows and loves Petrova (as I do) knows that isnt true.

Mary Carillo, IMO, resents the sisters because he doesn't like their work ethic, and she doen't like the fact that they don't give back to the game in way that she would like them to (a if their work ith inner-city children i omehow not good enough, but I digre). she would want them to be the #1 and #2 in the world because she knows their talent; yet she is frustrated with them for not taking full advantage of their potential. Thus, the contant criticism.

Mary Joe is very nice to the williamses, unless she is goaded into the criticism by either Pam or Mary. Put her in the booth ith a male commentator not named McEnroe, (although he as quite objective in their QF match) and she is very objective, as well as complimentary of them.

Pam, on the other hand, I think has jealouy issues with the williamses, and this is why she is very enthusiastic towards any player that she sees potential in beating them consistently. (Clijsters, Henin-Hardenne, Capriati, Davenport, etc.)

Then there also the fact that many commentators are paid by the marketing agencies like IMG to "hype up" their player. MJF actually is in bed with IMG (no pun intended).

I'm not prepared to say its racism, per se, but there are definite inconsistencies with the commentary, when you compare matches of the williamses, with those of other top players. (Davenport, Capriati, Clijsters, etc.)

Also, the fact that in America, the bulk of the tennis matches we see, male or female, are those of the williamses, could boster the perception that there is a discrepancy with the commentary, simply because there is a greater quantity of williams matches that we see as opposed to other top player. I thought it was disrepectful that Lindsay Davenport, the world's #1, AND an American as only shown in 3 out of 7 matches.


Yeah I pretty much agree with all of that. I watched that match and I was just thinking whats up her ass. Then in the later rounds I heard her say I still have to pick Serena to win the title. Then it dawned on me that she just wants probably two of the best athletes to ever play tennis to commit full time.(who wouldn't) IMO I think if Serena and Venus played a full schedule of tennis though I think they'd end up being like Martina Hingis and I want to keep seein the play for a long time to come so if that means them not always being on top of the rankings idc because they want to be there so bad that it makes them fight even harder to get there.

Dana Marcy
Apr 5th, 2005, 10:42 PM
Let it go yawl! :angel:

harloo
Apr 5th, 2005, 11:55 PM
Let it go yawl! :angel:

:lol:

Denise4925
Apr 6th, 2005, 12:04 AM
Lizchris clearly leads a very sad life. She only ever brings shit up about her faves yet interestingly rarely praises them. She is one of the most racist posters on the board yet plays the race card pretty much every day. The only reason she's never been banned is cos she's a Williams fan :rolleyes:. She wins the battle against Denise though cos you can laugh at her and feel sorry for her. Denise only ever brings sorrow to her deranged and breathtakingly brain-dead life :sad:
:retard: :lol: