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DementievaPowa
Apr 2nd, 2005, 11:30 AM
what do you think? :)

Darop.
Apr 2nd, 2005, 11:35 AM
No.

Veritas
Apr 2nd, 2005, 11:37 AM
Not many people have nominated Daniela as a future #1 or a GS champ (yet), so I don't think she's 'overrated' at all.

ceiling_fan
Apr 2nd, 2005, 12:13 PM
no

Geisha
Apr 2nd, 2005, 12:49 PM
Well, some people thought that when she won those couple of matches a couple of weeks ago, that she would possibly win a Slam this year. I think that's overated.

But, overall. A lot of people have given up on her, unfortunately.

K-Dog
Apr 2nd, 2005, 12:59 PM
I thought that the way she was playing in 2002, and IF she improved on that, that she might have the goods to be a Grand Slam Champ, especially at Wimbledon. I think that she tries to be too cute with the ball sometimes, and tries to time the time too much. She needs to learn how to just hit the ball and not try to perfectly time it all the time. She needs to come to the net more too. She is an excellent vollyier most of the time.

mandy7
Apr 2nd, 2005, 01:00 PM
i'd say underrated

ozfan44
Apr 2nd, 2005, 01:01 PM
No way!

Martian Jeza
Apr 2nd, 2005, 01:02 PM
i'd say underrated

idem

ginger_fish668
Apr 2nd, 2005, 01:03 PM
what do you think? :)


No. And what do YOU think? :)

mandy7
Apr 2nd, 2005, 01:38 PM
yeah, that's what i'd like to know too!

SilK
Apr 2nd, 2005, 01:39 PM
are we STILL having this discussion? :eek:

DementievaPowa
Apr 2nd, 2005, 01:41 PM
i think shes a classy player but maybe a lil overrated

Mirage
Apr 2nd, 2005, 01:41 PM
I agree with the under-rated statements!

Experimentee
Apr 2nd, 2005, 02:35 PM
I am a fan but I think some Dani fans were overrating her, when she had a few good wins earlier in the year. Maybe they were too excited about those wins because she's had bad results last year. There was a thread about how Dani would win a Grand Slam this year, and anyone who disagreed was being attacked :rolleyes:

vutt
Apr 2nd, 2005, 02:36 PM
Well I don't like her much, but I have say with crazy schedule and with her abilities she belongs to #20-30 slot. So right now she's not overrated :angel:

SzavayFi
Apr 2nd, 2005, 02:39 PM
She's NOT overrated at all i dont think :rolleyes:

BUBI
Apr 2nd, 2005, 02:40 PM
If she's motivated, eats & trains properly, I think it's possible that she wins a slam someday.

Wojtek
Apr 2nd, 2005, 02:42 PM
No. She isn't overrated because wtaworld isn't whole world. For her fans here she is number one and we had such threads like :Daniela will win GS but in real world Daniela isn't top player. She is sold top 20 player but probably she won't comeback to the top 5

Billy Moonshine
Apr 2nd, 2005, 02:45 PM
No, overhyped because of her looks

matthias
Apr 2nd, 2005, 02:46 PM
Not many people have nominated Daniela as a future #1 or a GS champ (yet), so I don't think she's 'overrated' at all.


i agree 100%
noone said she will #1 or so
and just to say she should reach top20 or top15 is not overrating her

Monirena Wiles
Apr 2nd, 2005, 03:10 PM
Daniela is not overated but she is popular. She is one of the players that shows up on video games, she gets a lot of publicity, and she has tons of fans. Maybe all the attention she gets makes it seem like she's talked about too much, but she is not overated.

firefly_ac
Apr 2nd, 2005, 03:11 PM
c'mon...haven u seen the 2002 three setter she had with Venus.. it was absolute class from the way Dani choses her shots.. Venus was hot tt year ok.. :P

jrm
Apr 2nd, 2005, 04:32 PM
At the moment ... she's overrated!

At her best ... maybe top 10 material

@m@nd@
Apr 2nd, 2005, 04:41 PM
nope...
shes top 20 material

Orion
Apr 2nd, 2005, 04:47 PM
For all the talk of how incredible she is that people (often who know nothing about tennis, just read Italian Vogue's description of her skill) spout out in many corners of the world, she has won just a single title in around 5 years on the tour. That's not a number that lies, she simply isn't as good as some people think. I've rarely heard lucid people speak of her as a realistic Grand Slam winner or #1, but that doesn't mean she isn't overrated. I think she will be a future Maleeva or Schiavone: always a threat for upsets, never a threat for the title.

Davenselesport
Apr 2nd, 2005, 04:55 PM
There is hope however... just look at this:

A SIMILAR PREDICAMENT:

The year was 2003...Another hard hitting player... RANKED 21 (as Daniela is right now) on this very same week... the week leading up to the American clay courts... also uses a Yonex... not much variety in her game... made a huge turnaround...hm who might that be?

Elena Dementieva took Amelia Island by storm that year and won the title beating Henin and Davenport... she shot up to 13... and that year was launched BACK into the top 10 AS SHE HAD ONCE BEEN IN BEFORE


So lets recap- Hantuchova has been to the top before, just like Elena. Ranked 21... future looking grim... but surprises everyone

IT CAN HAPPEN SO HAVE SOME HOPE!!!

Just because she lost to Cohen Alero, doesn't mean its over... she did beat Molik earlier this year.

@m@nd@
Apr 2nd, 2005, 05:12 PM
There is hope however... just look at this:

A SIMILAR PREDICAMENT:

The year was 2003...Another hard hitting player... RANKED 21 (as Daniela is right now) on this very same week... the week leading up to the American clay courts... also uses a Yonex... not much variety in her game... made a huge turnaround...hm who might that be?

Elena Dementieva took Amelia Island by storm that year and won the title beating Henin and Davenport... she shot up to 13... and that year was launched BACK into the top 10 AS SHE HAD ONCE BEEN IN BEFORE


So lets recap- Hantuchova has been to the top before, just like Elena. Ranked 21... future looking grim... but surprises everyone

IT CAN HAPPEN SO HAVE SOME HOPE!!!

Just because she lost to Cohen Alero, doesn't mean its over... she did beat Molik earlier this year.

ur right...lol..except elena does have variety..

JustineTime
Apr 2nd, 2005, 06:05 PM
HanWHOchova??? :confused:

:shrug:

:tape:

Davenselesport
Apr 2nd, 2005, 06:09 PM
Elena has variety???

Shes one of my favorite players but I dont see how she does... compared to Henin, Clijsters, Mauresmo?

Albireo
Apr 2nd, 2005, 06:42 PM
For all the talk of how incredible she is that people (often who know nothing about tennis, just read Italian Vogue's description of her skill) spout out in many corners of the world, she has won just a single title in around 5 years on the tour. That's not a number that lies, she simply isn't as good as some people think. I've rarely heard lucid people speak of her as a realistic Grand Slam winner or #1, but that doesn't mean she isn't overrated. I think she will be a future Maleeva or Schiavone: always a threat for upsets, never a threat for the title.

I suppose you don't consider Evert, Navratilova, or BJK lucid, then. They all had DH tabbed as a futureSlam winner.

Hantuchova turned pro full-time in 2001 (she was part-time in 1999-2000) and won a Tier I a year later. Her results from 2001-2002 indicate that she was clearly on her way up. And while it's futile to speculate where she could or would have gone had she not had to deal with the personal issues that ruined her 2003 season, she didn't get to #5 based on her looks; she got there because of her talent. Talent doesn't go away-- it may be surpassed by more talented players, but it doesn't vanish. It often goes unrealized. But writing her (or any player) off before her career is over is foolish.

Helas
Apr 2nd, 2005, 07:00 PM
She hasn't lived up to her potential so far but I don't think she's overrated

selyoink
Apr 2nd, 2005, 07:22 PM
I think her fans probably over rate her. She is never going to win another major title in her career. Indian Wells will always be her high point. I think she is only good enough to hover around 15-30 in the rankings.

JLDementieva
Apr 2nd, 2005, 07:22 PM
Not really, I think she's an underachiever for sure, with her talent, she should've had better results.

RatedR Superstar
Apr 3rd, 2005, 03:52 AM
she's not overrated, and we (Daniela fans) never overrate her, we just believe in her and we just support her better than any fan in here, were the best fan in here :p

vogus
Apr 3rd, 2005, 04:12 AM
Danni is definitely overrated in the sense that she has a disproportionate number of fans here on the board compared to her ability level. I mean, she is a player with ability comparable to say, Natalie Dechy, but with 50 times more fan support. When's the last time you saw a thread asking "Can Dechy win a Grand Slam title?"

greenfunkTHREE.
Apr 3rd, 2005, 04:29 AM
i'd say underrated

i thought so too. :confused: :D

Rohin.
Apr 3rd, 2005, 06:12 AM
i'd say underrated

correct!

as indicated by the fact i agree with you. :) :angel:

shnit.
Apr 3rd, 2005, 06:16 AM
Not really, I think she's an underachiever for sure, with her talent, she should've had better results.
I agree.

SzavayFi
Apr 3rd, 2005, 06:57 AM
Danni is definitely overrated in the sense that she has a disproportionate number of fans here on the board compared to her ability level. I mean, she is a player with ability comparable to say, Natalie Dechy, but with 50 times more fan support. When's the last time you saw a thread asking "Can Dechy win a Grand Slam title?"
yea but look at this. has dechy ever been as ranked as high as 5?no... has daniela? yes. 2002 Daniela looked like a VERY solid competitor and many thought is would be her and the belgians who would battle the sisters.

Wiggly
Apr 3rd, 2005, 06:59 AM
Each player is ovverrated by their fans so... :rolleyes:

Greenout
Apr 4th, 2005, 04:26 AM
In terms of match/career reputation and merit; no.
Some of you weren't here during her incredible win at Indian Wells
2002. She played flawless in all of matches, this was the icing on the
cake from 2001 and talk about her great game.

Sad that Daniela faced alot of pressures off and on court and
couldn't continue the direction she was going to. Things happen,
the girl's not a machine, and now she's back trying to bring back
her 2002 season.

Wish her the best.

RatedR Superstar
Apr 4th, 2005, 04:29 AM
In terms of match/career reputation and merit; no.
Some of you weren't here during her incredible win at Indian Wells
2002. She played flawless in all of matches, this was the icing on the
cake from 2001 and talk about her great game.

Sad that Daniela faced alot of pressures off and on court and
couldn't continue the direction she was going to. Things happen,
the girl's not a machine, and now she's back trying to bring back
her 2002 season.

Wish her the best.

:worship:

VeeDaQueen
Apr 4th, 2005, 04:56 AM
she's VERY overrated

Greenout
Apr 4th, 2005, 05:10 AM
The top 8 seedings at 2002 IW wasn't cheap, it was pretty damn cool.
It wasn't an given that she would even make it past the QFs that year.

1) Kim C
2) Martina Hingis
3) Justine
4) Monica Seles
5) Jelena Dokic
6) Meg S
7) Silvia Farina
8) Elena D
9) ASV
10) Amanda Coetzer
11) Maggie Maleeva
12) Lisa Raymond
13) Iroda T (I'm not kidding here)
14) Tammy T (weird huh?)
15) Angeles Montolio (even weirder)
16) Barbara Schett

Volcana
Apr 4th, 2005, 05:51 AM
I don't think she's currently over-rated. I do think a lot of people mistook her careeer high ranking for an afect of quality, as opposed to quantity. Like Jelena Dokic, she played a lot, so her lesser performances didn't count against her ranking.

Most fans I know who even talk about her figure she's a top 20 player, but not top ten.

deja_entendu
Apr 4th, 2005, 06:12 AM
She's a big sloth on a tennis court. It's like she plays in slow motion. Sloppy footwork, always late, she chases down about one ball per rally. I don't see much room for improvement.

switz
Apr 4th, 2005, 06:26 AM
it's a complicated situation.

i think it's really has to do with the fact that she has a lot of fans and some are a quite fanatical to the point that they can't admit to anything negative about dani and perhaps overrate her current level of play.

at the same time i am one who believes she has a hell of a lot more ability than the form she has been displaying for the last couple of years (even than her better form this year).

in 2002 daniela was a player who possessed a significant weapon in her serve, had more variety in her groundstrokes, and was IMO one of the best volleyers and doubles players on tour.

then she had the weight issues - she lost her serve as a weapon; basically hit the ball the same on every stroke; and didn't use the net at all and lost all the time in doubles.

i don't know what it is but it was probably only the molik match at the US Open that i have seen her playing the way she used to ie setting points up time and again with beautifully positioned serves and using the net confidently to close points out quickly.

i still think it's there but IMO she needs a new coach who can help her to harness her game because frankly i still don't think she has it under control.

i really hope she has a good year though.

switz
Apr 4th, 2005, 06:30 AM
She's a big sloth on a tennis court. It's like she plays in slow motion. Sloppy footwork, always late, she chases down about one ball per rally. I don't see much room for improvement.

didn't your last sentence contradict what you said before it? anna smashnova is a player with little room for improvement - hantuchova can improve basically everything besdies her down the line backhand (which is beatiful)

Greenout
Apr 4th, 2005, 07:35 AM
it's a complicated situation.

i think it's really has to do with the fact that she has a lot of fans and some are a quite fanatical to the point that they can't admit to anything negative about dani and perhaps overrate her current level of play.

at the same time i am one who believes she has a hell of a lot more ability than the form she has been displaying for the last couple of years (even than her better form this year).

in 2002 daniela was a player who possessed a significant weapon in her serve, had more variety in her groundstrokes, and was IMO one of the best volleyers and doubles players on tour.

then she had the weight issues - she lost her serve as a weapon; basically hit the ball the same on every stroke; and didn't use the net at all and lost all the time in doubles.

i don't know what it is but it was probably only the molik match at the US Open that i have seen her playing the way she used to ie setting points up time and again with beautifully positioned serves and using the net confidently to close points out quickly.

i still think it's there but IMO she needs a new coach who can help her to harness her game because frankly i still don't think she has it under control.

i really hope she has a good year though.


Switz remembers, and I do too. Daniela was really, really
great back in 2002. It looked like she would be a WIMBLEDON
contender that year. She use to really go to net alot, then
sort of changed her play to the baseline. I agree with
Switz that Nigel should've been given the heave-ho to tap all
that potential there.

I know if seems rather weird or over hyped now; but believe us
that she was truly looking like a gem back in 2002. It was
very, very classy all court game with power.

Experimentee
Apr 4th, 2005, 08:10 AM
I do agree that Dani was playing like a top 5 player a few years ago, I certainly dont forget about that. I know she has immense talent and ability but right now she shouldnt be mentioned as a Slam contender, so I have to say some of her fans overrate her.

syd
Apr 4th, 2005, 08:19 AM
She was playing well when she won IW, that year she had a high level of play, but i think Daniela is the kind of player who can't play a long time in a high level..

manu
Apr 4th, 2005, 09:09 AM
I also think she's rather underrated than overrated. If she'd get back to her old level, she's definitely still a top-10 player. I think she'll get there in time... She just needs a lot of time I guess ;) But who's she to blame for? After all, she's been trough a lot the past years...

So far I think - besides her Miami loss to Cohen-Aloro - she's having a pretty solid year: she's #12 in the Porsche Race and if you look at the players above her, they've all achieved some very good results in 2005. So don't count her out just yet! She's definitely playing better than the previous 1,5 year, she just needs to become more consistent again. I wish her the best!

wateva
Apr 4th, 2005, 11:46 AM
overated. she's like barbara paulus. enjoyed a good year and returned to where she belong.

mr_zebra
Apr 4th, 2005, 11:51 AM
She's done as a top ten condender. She'll be forever in the top 20 - 30 range. Hell, that aint all that bad.
As for the people who say "She's coming back and showing her championship form again!" Uh, you've been saying that for two years. The form is gone. Be happy with top 30, that's a hell of an achievement.

syd
Apr 4th, 2005, 12:03 PM
She's done as a top ten condender. She'll be forever in the top 20 - 30 range. Hell, that aint all that bad.
As for the people who say "She's coming back and showing her championship form again!" Uh, you've been saying that for two years. The form is gone. Be happy with top 30, that's a hell of an achievement. Agree

moby
Apr 4th, 2005, 01:10 PM
Lol... How quick time passes. I remember Daniela back then as having one of the best 2nd serves on tour, because she could place it well, it has good pace and a variety of spins. And her timing and power, despite a very laidback swing were :yeah:. I don't think any power hitter hit the ball as gracefully as she did. Daniela's performance in 2002 was pretty much like Anastasia 03/04 AO: the eternal quarterfinalist, but it was expected that she would challenge for the no. 1 spot someday.

I also remember, at the time Daniela won IW, there were threads about a 15 year old Russian girl who many claim had a similar game, only better. :)

volta
Apr 4th, 2005, 01:12 PM
no not now at least when she appeared she war a bit overrated but not now now i think that she is underrated she is better then what most people say she is

Greenout
Apr 4th, 2005, 01:15 PM
:lol: I do believe some people here pegged that 15 year old Russian
girl as a Daniela wannabe back in 2002! Bizarre how these things
turn out.

Remember that year in 2002 when Hingis lost to Daniela, and she
was getting the "retire already!" treatment just like Venus is
getting now.

moby
Apr 4th, 2005, 01:23 PM
:lol: I do believe some people here pegged that 15 year old Russian
girl as a Daniela wannabe back in 2002! Bizarre how these things
turn out.

Remember that year in 2002 when Hingis lost to Daniela, and she
was getting the "retire already!" treatment just like Venus is
getting now.

And so she did. :sad: :tape:

Greenout
Apr 4th, 2005, 01:32 PM
And so she did. :sad: :tape:

Which goes back to that infamous story about Hingis and
Justine from Indian Wells, that pretty much summed things
up!

You heard this one right...Martina warms up to her big final
which everyone said she would dust Daniela by warming her
arm up tossing a football (yes, the American one) for some
photographers. Hingis throws the football and it's ugly and
doesn't go very far- very limp. Justine walks by looking
depressed because she got her ass kicked by Daniela and
did not get into the semi finals. She sees the limp football
Hingis threw, picks it up and just flings the ball, and it
goes flying into the air. It would've made a quarterback
proud. Hingis and the reporters/photographers stare are
Justine as if saying.. "WTF??". Non plussed, Justine simply
looks like "hey, I lost to Daniela" and walks away.

:haha:

What a very strange year 2002 was, indeed. Martina was
so outplayed against Daniela that it was embarrassing.
She didn't win any break points at all right?

moby
Apr 4th, 2005, 01:40 PM
Which goes back to that infamous story about Hingis and
Justine from Indian Wells, that pretty much summed things
up!

You heard this one right...Martina warms up to her big final
which everyone said she would dust Daniela by warming her
arm up tossing a football (yes, the American one) for some
photographers. Hingis throws the football and it's ugly and
doesn't go very far- very limp. Justine walks by looking
depressed because she got her ass kicked by Daniela and
did not get into the semi finals. She sees the limp football
Hingis threw, picks it up and just flings the ball, and it
goes flying into the air. It would've made a quarterback
proud. Hingis and the reporters/photographers stare are
Justine as if saying.. "WTF??". Non plussed, Justine simply
looks like "hey, I lost to Daniela" and walks away.

:haha:

What a very strange year 2002 was, indeed. Martina was
so outplayed against Daniela that it was embarrassing.
She didn't win any break points at all right?

Great story. :p Although I throw footballs (or anything in general) more Martina-like than Justine-like. I don't think I'm capable of throwing a tennis ball across the net from the baseline. :o

I forgot about the IW match. ;) (I mean that's the fashionable thing to say nowadays, right?) Just j/k. It was a great tournament for Daniela and I think the wind was a huge factor in that match in that Martina was very passive because she was by that time in her career, allergic to making errors, and Daniela's shots just painted the lines over and over.

But I know Martina didn't get a single break point against Majoli in the 1997 RG final. :tape:

mr_zebra
Apr 4th, 2005, 02:10 PM
Chris Evert was the announcer for that IW Final. After the win, Daniela was holding up the trophy and Evert said something like: "What we're seeing right now is the future of Womens Tennis, and her name is Daniela Hantuchova".

Sad.

Alenyaa
Apr 4th, 2005, 02:23 PM
I'm a fan of Daniela as well, but even if I weren't I think I would say that I do expect her to return in the top 10 one day. To say she will win a GS this year is of course irrealistic, and I doubt if it will happen next year. But if she just keeps up her slow but steady resurgence I do think we'll see her in some finals within a year or two, three.

mandy7
Apr 4th, 2005, 02:45 PM
I'm a fan of Daniela as well, but even if I weren't I think I would say that I do expect her to return in the top 10 one day. To say she will win a GS this year is of course irrealistic, and I doubt if it will happen next year. But if she just keeps up her slow but steady resurgence I do think we'll see her in some finals within a year or two, three.

:worship: :yeah:

Chunchun
Apr 4th, 2005, 02:51 PM
i wanna ask:

What happen to Dani in Miami/IW?? i never expect her to lose in this way after a good showing in Middle East :sad:

mandy7
Apr 4th, 2005, 02:53 PM
i wanna ask:

What happen to Dani in Miami/IW?? i never expect her to lose in this way after a good showing in Middle East :sad:

she lost to a good player in IW
and she played poor in Miami

it happens

serenachamp
Apr 5th, 2005, 02:24 AM
Danni is definitely overrated in the sense that she has a disproportionate number of fans here on the board compared to her ability level. I mean, she is a player with ability comparable to say, Natalie Dechy, but with 50 times more fan support. When's the last time you saw a thread asking "Can Dechy win a Grand Slam title?"

Yeah, a very good statement!

SzavayFi
Apr 5th, 2005, 02:56 AM
I am a BIG fan of Daniela. And that Indian WElls match was amazing. We have seen glimses of her old form too, like the match vs Molik, Molik was completely outclassed. But she is all about confidence, she has a free hitting game where if she gets tight, then everthing sails long. And when she is hitting freely and relaxed she is playing beatufully. She is also very very slow moving forward to shortballs. But she moves along the baseline quite well. Thats why she has had trouble with players like Kremer, and Cohen Aloro who drop the ball short quite abit. She isn't overratted at all, most of you here that think she is havent seen her when she is on. Top ten this year? i think not.....grandslam this year, absolutely not, prolly not next year either. She she is quickly gaining momentum and confidence.

RatedR Superstar
Apr 5th, 2005, 03:13 AM
it's a complicated situation.

i think it's really has to do with the fact that she has a lot of fans and some are a quite fanatical to the point that they can't admit to anything negative about dani and perhaps overrate her current level of play.


i dont think we overrate her, were just always excited for her in every tournament and still hoping for her form to get back, its what a fan do, right?

...And if youve seen some thread about Daniela winning a GrandSlam this year, Im pretty sure it didnt came from us, someone probably made those kind of thread so that posters here in the GM can start bashing Daniela, its a "trap-thread"(if you know what i mean).