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DementievaPowa
Apr 1st, 2005, 11:22 PM
just asking, cause in europe, they're virtually unknown :confused:

I mean you will only know about them if you're a tennis fan :)

i wish more people liked them over here, they're talented girls :sad:

harloo
Apr 1st, 2005, 11:23 PM
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

~Cherry*Blossom~
Apr 1st, 2005, 11:23 PM
:lol: In Europe they are virtually unknown??? :retard:

SilK
Apr 1st, 2005, 11:24 PM
just asking, cause in europe, they're virtually unknown :confused:

Where the fuck do you live in Europe? :o

Cause in the Europe where I live, everybody KNOWS who there are! :rolleyes:

Avid Merrion
Apr 1st, 2005, 11:24 PM
just asking, cause in europe, they're virtually unknown :confused:
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: thanks for that, but you do know April Fools day is finished? :retard:

Wigglytuff
Apr 1st, 2005, 11:24 PM
i think serena and venus are some of the only tennis players that non"tennis fans" know. so i would have say yes, they are extremely popular.


EDIT: if this was an april fools thing, i am already pretty gullible and dont need no stinking april 1st to remind me. thanks.

DementievaPowa
Apr 1st, 2005, 11:25 PM
ok i from russia, my english not perfect, serena and venur just not that known around here

SilK
Apr 1st, 2005, 11:27 PM
ok i from russia, my english not perfect, serena and venur just not that known around here

What are you? Maria's long lost little sister, stuck in Siberia? :o

ys
Apr 1st, 2005, 11:27 PM
ok i from russia, my english not perfect, serena and venur just not that known around here

Your english was perfect just few posts ago.. :lol: Is it you, Jordan? :lol: Or is it you, Leena?

harloo
Apr 1st, 2005, 11:28 PM
ok i from russia, my english not perfect, serena and venur just not that known around here

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

DementievaPowa
Apr 1st, 2005, 11:29 PM
:)

mboyle
Apr 2nd, 2005, 01:14 AM
They are the only tennis players that are household names.

SJW
Apr 2nd, 2005, 01:20 AM
Where the fuck do you live in Europe? :o

Cause in the Europe where I live, everybody KNOWS who there are! :rolleyes:

i was just about to say...:rolleyes:

faboozadoo15
Apr 2nd, 2005, 01:21 AM
yes, famous, well known, popular, housheold names, have transcended sport.
anymore questions?

Malin
Apr 2nd, 2005, 01:50 AM
They are the only tennis players that are household names.

That's not true at all, maybe on the woman's side, but Sampras and Agassi are also household names

vettipooh
Apr 2nd, 2005, 01:55 AM
There you go with the bullshit. First you say they are virtually unknown(for someone whose English is not so good...virtually????? Puhleeze!!!) Then you say you wish people liked them more. Which is it??? Make up your mind. :rolleyes:

RenaSlam.
Apr 2nd, 2005, 01:57 AM
ok i from russia, my english not perfect, serena and venur just not that known around here

Translation: I've been here before and I love to stir up shit between Sharapova and Williams fans. :rolleyes:

vettipooh
Apr 2nd, 2005, 02:01 AM
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: Damn harloo. If looks could kill, he/she would be dead.:lol::lol:

Cariaoke
Apr 2nd, 2005, 02:07 AM
just a "are you on crack rocks?" bump! :rolleyes:

le bon vivant
Apr 2nd, 2005, 05:17 AM
Not among *euphemism alert* non-minority American tennis fans, but as far as the general American public, they're ACE. :yeah:

Dennisnijmegen
Apr 2nd, 2005, 08:58 AM
well known or 'household name' doesn't necessarily mean they're popular.....most peolple overhere have heard of them but they are not that popular

Tichi
Apr 2nd, 2005, 09:07 AM
well known or 'household name' doesn't necessarily mean they're popular.....most peolple overhere have heard of them but they are not that popular
Everyone KNOWS their names indeed, but that doesn't mean that they are popular. As far as I know, Venus is the most popular of the two. Serena is not really seen as someone who takes her sport seriously.
Not offending any fans of both players, just saying what I feel is the common thought on them.

Tennisaddict
Apr 2nd, 2005, 10:48 AM
I'm from Europe and one thing is for sure everybody knows their name same goes for Kournikova.
Some people think she still plays :rolleyes:.

As far as the popularity goes, people either love or hate them there's no fine line.
The sad part is that a lot of people don't know the truth about them.
The media here has always displayed them as girls who play with nothing but raw power and get trough tennis matches because of their athletisicm.
The fact that they're black doesn't work well for them either.
Sometimes when I talk to people about the WS I get the feeling they can't stand the fact that their beloved "elite white" sport has been invaded by two black girls who have changed tennis forever. In short they don't get the respect they deserve because they're not like for example Sharapova.
Now I know it's not her fault that she is what the media wants her to be, but she's a good example of somebody who has all aspects of the Williams' game in her game but is praised for the same skills the Williams sisters are disrespected for.

But the people who embrace the truth, know and acknowledge their beautiful games who do not only exist of power and athleticism, but also of tremendous skill, great anticipation, mental strenght and smart strategy.
They're not only popular with these people but most of them are in awe whenever they see them play in-form :yeah:.

To Tichi: it's really funny how people in Belgium think that Serena doesn't take her sport seriously since she's the one with seven majors at age 23 and plenty of time to add a couple more while pursuing her acting/design career.
But then again, people see what they want to see :rolleyes:.

Doraemon
Apr 2nd, 2005, 10:56 AM
Most ppl in my country are unable to tell them apart. Does that mean they still know the sisters?

SilK
Apr 2nd, 2005, 11:06 AM
Translation: I've been here before and I love to stir up shit between Sharapova and Williams fans. :rolleyes:

ooooh... you talk troll! that's hot! :lol:

Dennisnijmegen
Apr 2nd, 2005, 01:58 PM
Tennisaddict: you forgot one part in your post: their attitude. I' m pretty sure a lot of people in Europe don't like the Williams sisters because of their behaviour.

Tennisaddict
Apr 2nd, 2005, 03:44 PM
Tennisaddict: you forgot one part in your post: their attitude. I' m pretty sure a lot of people in Europe don't like the Williams sisters because of their behaviour.

I did not forget that part in my post I was referring to it when I said that a lot of people don't know the truth about them. But I can clarify that of course.

When you read articles about the WS they only put the quotes in that are taken out of context so the general public will perceive them as arrogant and obnoxious and it works for the media. Most people in Europe are being deprived of the chance to see the real attitude the WS have, which is gracious, fierce, confident, intelligent and funny among other things :p.
I'm not saying they're saints, they do have their faults but I don't see anything wrong in their overall behaviour.
That's pretty amazing if you consider the fact that the media is always trying to bait them to say bullshit about fellow players and other issues so they can stir up nonsense. You have to understand that they are and never will be treated the same as the other players.

It's not surprising they make strong comments when asked about their game or other things, when you see the type of questions and allegations that are thrown at them. It's uncalled for so they always put the media in their pathetic place, because the WS will never bow down to anyone. That's why a lot of people in Europe don't like the WS because they don't know the truth behind these two wonderful human beings.

Dennisnijmegen
Apr 2nd, 2005, 04:00 PM
Well well, nice post!!!
I get your point but isn't that the same for a lot of other players?? Quoting them in a way that's very misleading to the general public??

Actually I meant their on court behaviour.

Tennisaddict
Apr 2nd, 2005, 11:01 PM
Well well, nice post!!!
I get your point but isn't that the same for a lot of other players?? Quoting them in a way that's very misleading to the general public??

Actually I meant their on court behaviour.

I don't think it's the same for a lot of other players. I can't speak for all the players of course but I do know that Kim Clijsters who is one of my other faves, has never been misquoted like the WS have. The best example I can give you right now is the supposedly dislike the WS and Sharapova have for each other. There's no truth in it but the media keeps hunting the WS and Sharpie like vultures to find something. When they didn't get any they created a myth of their own. I could be wrong though about other players but I'm sure you will fill me in if I am ;).

Oh I didn't know you meant their on-court behaviour could have told me 1 post ago :p. Could you explain that? I mean Venus is very introvert on the court and almost shows no emotion which is one of her strenghts IMO.
I like her poised straight face when she's virtually killing her opponents :yeah: Serena is the more outgoing one, and a warrior on the court. But what's wrong with that I love that never-say-die attitude that's what got her all those slams among other abilities.

Denise4925
Apr 2nd, 2005, 11:32 PM
I'm from Europe and one thing is for sure everybody knows their name same goes for Kournikova.
Some people think she still plays :rolleyes:.

As far as the popularity goes, people either love or hate them there's no fine line.
The sad part is that a lot of people don't know the truth about them.
The media here has always displayed them as girls who play with nothing but raw power and get trough tennis matches because of their athletisicm.
The fact that they're black doesn't work well for them either.
Sometimes when I talk to people about the WS I get the feeling they can't stand the fact that their beloved "elite white" sport has been invaded by two black girls who have changed tennis forever. In short they don't get the respect they deserve because they're not like for example Sharapova.
Now I know it's not her fault that she is what the media wants her to be, but she's a good example of somebody who has all aspects of the Williams' game in her game but is praised for the same skills the Williams sisters are disrespected for.

But the people who embrace the truth, know and acknowledge their beautiful games who do not only exist of power and athleticism, but also of tremendous skill, great anticipation, mental strenght and smart strategy.
They're not only popular with these people but most of them are in awe whenever they see them play in-form :yeah:.

To Tichi: it's really funny how people in Belgium think that Serena doesn't take her sport seriously since she's the one with seven majors at age 23 and plenty of time to add a couple more while pursuing her acting/design career.
But then again, people see what they want to see :rolleyes:.
:worship: :worship: :worship:

Denise4925
Apr 2nd, 2005, 11:35 PM
I don't think it's the same for a lot of other players. I can't speak for all the players of course but I do know that Kim Clijsters who is one of my other faves, has never been misquoted like the WS have. The best example I can give you right now is the supposedly dislike the WS and Sharapova have for each other. There's no truth in it but the media keeps hunting the WS and Sharpie like vultures to find something. When they didn't get any they created a myth of their own. I could be wrong though about other players but I'm sure you will fill me in if I am ;).

Oh I didn't know you meant their on-court behaviour could have told me 1 post ago :p. Could you explain that? I mean Venus is very introvert on the court and almost shows no emotion which is one of her strenghts IMO.
I like her poised straight face when she's virtually killing her opponents :yeah: Serena is the more outgoing one, and a warrior on the court. But what's wrong with that I love that never-say-die attitude that's what got her all those slams among other abilities.
I think you're responding to one of those Europeans that you spoke about in your first post. :rolleyes:

Kart
Apr 2nd, 2005, 11:36 PM
Are you still running your on-line journal Leena ?

Tennisaddict
Apr 2nd, 2005, 11:47 PM
I think you're responding to one of those Europeans that you spoke about in your first post. :rolleyes:

I know, but I won't let him get out of this one :devil:.
I can be really stubborn sometimes :lol:.

DemWilliamsGulls
Apr 2nd, 2005, 11:49 PM
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Exactly....dumb ass topic. THE END

Denise4925
Apr 2nd, 2005, 11:50 PM
I know, but I won't let him get out of this one :devil:.
I can be really stubborn sometimes :lol:.
:p :lol:

WorldWar24
Apr 2nd, 2005, 11:57 PM
I did not forget that part in my post I was referring to it when I said that a lot of people don't know the truth about them. But I can clarify that of course.

When you read articles about the WS they only put the quotes in that are taken out of context so the general public will perceive them as arrogant and obnoxious and it works for the media. Most people in Europe are being deprived of the chance to see the real attitude the WS have, which is gracious, fierce, confident, intelligent and funny among other things :p.
I'm not saying they're saints, they do have their faults but I don't see anything wrong in their overall behaviour.
That's pretty amazing if you consider the fact that the media is always trying to bait them to say bullshit about fellow players and other issues so they can stir up nonsense. You have to understand that they are and never will be treated the same as the other players.

It's not surprising they make strong comments when asked about their game or other things, when you see the type of questions and allegations that are thrown at them. It's uncalled for so they always put the media in their pathetic place, because the WS will never bow down to anyone. That's why a lot of people in Europe don't like the WS because they don't know the truth behind these two wonderful human beings.

ACtually I don't think europeans are naive and see the Williams like that. I remember Venus coming up and all my friends talking about her, everyone definitely liked Venus and the new game she brought with her. IMO, the only place where the Williams have received different treatment is the US, where people are always making a big deal about race. Ask the sisters, they don't boycott european events. Serena loves Miami, yes, but adores Paris - her first tournament win, Rome, etc. Venus loves Moscow, Zurich, Warsaw and they both get their best crowds at Wimbleodn. In the US, everything always seems to be about race. In the YEC last year, a couple of black boys were gesturing at Maria like she was Adolf Hitler or something. Maria and the sisters hit a small yellow ball for a living, why does everyone have to complicate things?

TM
Apr 3rd, 2005, 12:05 AM
just asking, cause in europe, they're virtually unknown :confused:

I mean you will only know about them if you're a tennis fan :)

i wish more people liked them over here, they're talented girls :sad:


:rolleyes: i dunno...smells like insane troll logic to me...:o

Veenut
Apr 3rd, 2005, 12:07 AM
They have become more popular in the US due to their off court tv appearance people are given the opportunity to see that they are caring, decent, law abiding human beings. They also get a chance to see that many of their preconcieved notions fed to them by biased journalists were false.

It is unfortunate that most Europeans don't get a chance to see that but it doesn't matter because they live in the US and that is where they will live after they retire.

vogus
Apr 3rd, 2005, 03:05 AM
what does "popular" mean? Name recognition? If so, yes. But if "popular" means, "active interest from the public in the person as a celebrity", i would say, outside of the American black community, where the sisters are huge pop culture icons, and of course the tennis community (which is very small in comparison), the Williams sisters are not that popular. I mean, along with Capriati they are the country's most popular female tennis players, but it's a relative thing.

Denise4925
Apr 3rd, 2005, 03:11 AM
what does "popular" mean? Name recognition? If so, yes. But if "popular" means, "active interest from the public in the person as a celebrity", i would say, outside of the American black community, where the sisters are huge pop culture icons, and of course the tennis community (which is very small in comparison), the Williams sisters are not that popular. I mean, along with Capriati they are the country's most popular female tennis players, but it's a relative thing.
:scratch: Then why is Serena in People Magazine every week?

As for the rest of your commentary, what world do you live in? :confused:

Pureracket
Apr 3rd, 2005, 03:18 AM
what does "popular" mean? Name recognition? If so, yes. But if "popular" means, "active interest from the public in the person as a celebrity", i would say, outside of the American black community, where the sisters are huge pop culture icons, and of course the tennis community (which is very small in comparison), the Williams sisters are not that popular. I mean, along with Capriati they are the country's most popular female tennis players, but it's a relative thing.Yeah, only the "American black community," wears Nike and Reebok and Puma, eats @ McDonald's, and chews Spearmint gum.:lol:

Only the "American black community," watches MTV, ESPN, NBC, and CBS. Only the "American black community," reads People Magazine.:lol:

Only the "American black community," uses Closeup toothepaste and Avon products.:lol:

Denise4925
Apr 3rd, 2005, 03:21 AM
Yeah, only the "American black community," wears Nike and Reebok and Puma, eats @ McDonald's, and chews Spearmint gum.:lol:

Only the "American black community," watches MTV, ESPN, NBC, and CBS. Only the "American black community," reads People Magazine.:lol:

Only the "American black community," uses Closeup toothepaste and Avon products.:lol:
That post you responded to, is the most ridiculous post I've ever seen. It's so ridiculous it's not even funny. :confused:

vogus
Apr 3rd, 2005, 03:25 AM
:scratch: Then why is Serena in People Magazine every week?

As for the rest of your commentary, what world do you live in? :confused:


correct me if i'm wrong, but i'd say Serena is considerably below the level of Jennifer Anniston, Britney Spears, Jessica Simpson, Oprah Winfrey, Cameron Diaz, Beyonce, et al in terms of prominence in People Magazine.

did you have something else specific that you disagree with?

Pureracket
Apr 3rd, 2005, 03:30 AM
correct me if i'm wrong, but i'd say Serena is considerably below the level of Jennifer Anniston, Britney Spears, Jessica Simpson, Oprah Winfrey, Cameron Diaz, Beyonce, et al in terms of prominence in People Magazine.

did you have something else specific that you disagree with?You're wrong when you suggest that they are popular only in the American black community. Also, Anniston's popularity may fade after she's out of the new about Brad. I really think that Serena might match her in popularity soon too.

Denise4925
Apr 3rd, 2005, 03:34 AM
correct me if i'm wrong, but i'd say Serena is considerably below the level of Jennifer Anniston, Britney Spears, Jessica Simpson, Oprah Winfrey, Cameron Diaz, Beyonce, et al in terms of prominence in People Magazine.

Yes. :confused: Besides, it doesn't matter what level of celebrity you are, you still have to BE a celebrity to be in People every week.

did you have something else specific that you disagree with?
Yes I do (jerking my neck around). I have a problem with your "African American Community icon" remark. That's a load of crap and you know it. Not only did you insult the sisters, you also, offended the millions of many non-African Americans fans by excluding them.

vogus
Apr 3rd, 2005, 03:41 AM
Yes. :confused: Besides, it doesn't matter what level of celebrity you are, you still have to BE a celebrity to be in People every week.


Yes I do (jerking my neck around). I have a problem with your "African American Community icon" remark. That's a load of crap and you know it. Not only did you insult the sisters, you also, offended the millions of many non-African Americans fans by excluding them.


the sisters are huge figures in the national black sports, entertainment, cultural, and even intellectual communities, i don't see how you can disagree with that, or consider it an insult. Apart from that, Serena is huge in the overall national sports media, and she is trying to be huge in national entertainment, but she is not there yet.

vogus
Apr 3rd, 2005, 03:44 AM
You're wrong when you suggest that they are popular only in the American black community. Also, Anniston's popularity may fade after she's out of the new about Brad. I really think that Serena might match her in popularity soon too.


i think it's going to be a tough transition for Serena from tennis player to all-encompassing celebrity goddess, it could still happen for her, but i wouldn't say it's a sure thing at this point.

Denise4925
Apr 3rd, 2005, 04:36 AM
the sisters are huge figures in the national black sports, entertainment, cultural, and even intellectual communities, i don't see how you can disagree with that, or consider it an insult. Apart from that, Serena is huge in the overall national sports media, and she is trying to be huge in national entertainment, but she is not there yet.
I consider the whole thing insulting. You limit her popularity and status of a celebrity. And, you use her race to pigeon hole her. Also, you failed miserably in answering the issues brought to your attention by Pureracket.

Black Mamba.
Apr 3rd, 2005, 04:49 AM
They're pretty famous they are two of the most well know athletes in America male or female. In fact in terms of female athletes Vee and Serena are two of the most well known in the US.

Yonexforever
Apr 3rd, 2005, 05:22 AM
I simply have to say when you hear Serena or Venus do you EVER have to wonder what the last name is, or to whom peole are referring?
CASE EFFIN CLOSED!

Kunal
Apr 3rd, 2005, 05:25 AM
they gave tennis a freggin makeover...of course they are well known...and also popular if u ask me

Kabezya
Apr 3rd, 2005, 05:57 AM
I simply have to say when you hear Serena or Venus do you EVER have to wonder what the last name is, or to whom peole are referring?
CASE EFFIN CLOSED!


:worship:

Volcana
Apr 3rd, 2005, 06:00 AM
correct me if i'm wrongWell okay. You're wrong.

Denise4925
Apr 3rd, 2005, 06:17 AM
Well okay. You're wrong.
Case closed. ;)

~ The Leopard ~
Apr 3rd, 2005, 06:50 AM
The local troll is sure getting a good feeding on this thread. :eek:

Tennisaddict
Apr 3rd, 2005, 01:02 PM
ACtually I don't think europeans are naive and see the Williams like that. I remember Venus coming up and all my friends talking about her, everyone definitely liked Venus and the new game she brought with her. IMO, the only place where the Williams have received different treatment is the US, where people are always making a big deal about race. Ask the sisters, they don't boycott european events. Serena loves Miami, yes, but adores Paris - her first tournament win, Rome, etc. Venus loves Moscow, Zurich, Warsaw and they both get their best crowds at Wimbleodn. In the US, everything always seems to be about race. In the YEC last year, a couple of black boys were gesturing at Maria like she was Adolf Hitler or something. Maria and the sisters hit a small yellow ball for a living, why does everyone have to complicate things?

They are that naive and do see the WS like that where I come from.
But it's nice to hear that they're well received in your part of Europe :yeah:.

SJW
Apr 3rd, 2005, 01:11 PM
all i know the tabloids over here can't get enough of Serena for some reason. and Venus is loved because shes the queen of Wimbledon. tennis to the people here means Kournikova, Sampras, Agassi, Fed, Henman and the WS :p

volta
Apr 3rd, 2005, 04:47 PM
:lol: In Europe they are virtually unknown??? :retard:
:haha: :haha: i was thining the same thing LOl even here a country where people give a crap about Tennis they are very known

deep bass
Apr 3rd, 2005, 05:59 PM
I simply have to say when you hear Serena or Venus do you EVER have to wonder what the last name is, or to whom peole are referring?
CASE EFFIN CLOSED!

Troof!

SelesFan70
Apr 4th, 2005, 12:55 PM
I simply have to say when you hear Serena or Venus do you EVER have to wonder what the last name is, or to whom peole are referring?
CASE EFFIN CLOSED!

:yeah:

Aquanetta
Apr 4th, 2005, 04:17 PM
I would say “popular” but not “really popular”. After Anna Kournikova, they are the most famous female tennis players in the US. They are just recognizable as Anna but not as popular. The do rival and may even surpass Anna in TV appearances, though.

Volcana
Apr 4th, 2005, 06:47 PM
Are serena and venus really popular in the USA?

Okay, let's say 'REALLY' popular is Hillary Rodham Clinton. Or Arnold Schwarzenegger. Or Oprah.

Then the answer is no.

Are they the most popular female athletes in the country? Undoubtedly.

Are either of them THE most popular athlete in the country? IMHO, no.

Are either of them in the top ten? Hmmmm.... let's put it this way. There aren't many athletes who ESPN would give up an hour profiling. There aren't many who could have done something like the McDonald's tour they just did.

But REALLY popular in the USA is usually reserved for Movie stars, rock stars and politicians. Most athletes have local and regional appeal, not national.

Denise4925
Apr 4th, 2005, 07:18 PM
Are serena and venus really popular in the USA?

Okay, let's say 'REALLY' popular is Hillary Rodham Clinton. Or Arnold Schwarzenegger. Or Oprah.

Then the answer is no.

Are they the most popular female athletes in the country? Undoubtedly.

Are either of them THE most popular athlete in the country? IMHO, no.

Are either of them in the top ten? Hmmmm.... let's put it this way. There aren't many athletes who ESPN would give up an hour profiling. There aren't many who could have done something like the McDonald's tour they just did.

But REALLY popular in the USA is usually reserved for Movie stars, rock stars and politicians. Most athletes have local and regional appeal, not national.
They have national and international appeal. :confused:

starr
Apr 4th, 2005, 07:23 PM
just asking, cause in europe, they're virtually unknown :confused:

I mean you will only know about them if you're a tennis fan :)

i wish more people liked them over here, they're talented girls :sad:

You must be kidding. Serena is a global icon.

:lol:

LeRoy.
Apr 4th, 2005, 07:44 PM
Yes alongwith Anna K. they are the most popular tennis players here in the US but Maria is catching up to them very fast. :eek:

Denise4925
Apr 4th, 2005, 07:47 PM
Yes alongwith Anna K. they are the most popular tennis players here in the US but Maria is catching up to them very fast. :eek:
:haha: :haha: :haha:

VeeReeDavJCap81
Apr 4th, 2005, 07:51 PM
Venus and Serena are THE most popular female athletes in the US hands down. And not just in the black community.

LeRoy.
Apr 4th, 2005, 08:02 PM
You must be kidding. Serena is a global icon.

:lol:

That misconception can be attributed to all the false propaganda on the part of them and their over-zealous fans i guess.

Denise4925
Apr 4th, 2005, 08:07 PM
That misconception can be attributed to all the false propaganda on the part of them and their over-zealous fans i guess.
No, your misconception of them can only be attributed to your wishful thinking. :lol:

AlwaysGraf
Apr 13th, 2005, 09:10 PM
In Europe they're existence is well known of. But really, no-one cares what they do off a tennis court. In fact, if you're not a tennis fan, nobody really cares what they do period. They are just two well known tennis players. They are not two really popular tennis players. I say Steffi Graf-A lot of people know who I am on about. I say Venus and Serena Williams-Lots know who I'm on about! But they don't give a rooting tooting damn!
Ps: Of course they're gonna be popular in America. Oh, and btw, when you mention Americans in general over here, everybody is like "Sheesh another bloody annoying american". I know it's rude but that's the way it is!

lindsayno1
Apr 13th, 2005, 09:11 PM
Lindsay Davenports popular in the UK as far as tennis fans go

miffedmax
Apr 13th, 2005, 09:37 PM
Not among *euphemism alert* non-minority American tennis fans, but as far as the general American public, they're ACE. :yeah:

A lot of "nonminority" American tennis fans like the Williams sisters, too.

They've been great for the game, regardless of how you feel about them. I don't always agree with their assessments of themselves and their opponents, but they're entitled to their opinions.

As far as their tennis skills go, yeah, they have some areas of their game that could use some improvement, but who doesn't? (I've heard rumors that my fave could stand to improve her serve somewhat, for example).

That crap about them just winning because of their "athleticism" is just that--a load of crap. They're obviously both very athletic, but so are the rest of the top players. You don't play any sport professionally unless you're athletic. (Duh).

For the record, I follow Lena D., Nastya and Venus as my favorite women players.

mykarma
Apr 13th, 2005, 09:46 PM
I simply have to say when you hear Serena or Venus do you EVER have to wonder what the last name is, or to whom peole are referring?
CASE EFFIN CLOSED!:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

-Sonic-
Apr 14th, 2005, 12:10 AM
Well there was a question about them on Ant N Dec's Saturday Night Takeaway in the win the ads thingy.....

Nuff said if u ask me.