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dylan24
Apr 1st, 2005, 01:42 AM
who wins?

dylan24
Apr 1st, 2005, 01:42 AM
kim in 2

Kabezya
Apr 1st, 2005, 01:42 AM
Putting my money on Kim :kiss:

SilK
Apr 1st, 2005, 01:43 AM
Kim in three!

Though, both come across pretty unbeatable so far these two weeks! :eek:

G1Player2
Apr 1st, 2005, 01:44 AM
I can't see Maria beating Kim no matter how well she plays...

RenaSlam.
Apr 1st, 2005, 01:47 AM
Kim is going to frustate Maria and get a lot of balls back. Kim in three.

lizchris
Apr 1st, 2005, 01:48 AM
Kim in three if she doesn't keep her unforced errors down tonight. If her UE's are kept in check, then she will win in straight sets. She will not give Maria free points like Venus did today. Plus her second serve today was better than Venus'.

stijntje
Apr 1st, 2005, 01:50 AM
Kim! ;)

Atrixo
Apr 1st, 2005, 01:52 AM
As well as Kim is playing right now, she's going to hit a wall against Maria. ;)

No doubt this is going to be a hard-fought match, but I'm thinking Maria will take it in three sets. :worship:

bigshow21
Apr 1st, 2005, 01:52 AM
Kim!! She is on fire!! :)

jdog3008
Apr 1st, 2005, 01:52 AM
Maria in 2 :hearts:

WorldWar24
Apr 1st, 2005, 01:52 AM
I voted Kim in 2 :) I think Kim has the perfect game to break down Sharapova, but Maria does surprise everyone from time to time

@m@nd@
Apr 1st, 2005, 02:05 AM
maria in 3 :D
good luck maria!

Sir Stefwhit
Apr 1st, 2005, 02:14 AM
Putting my money on Kim :kiss:
I'm not sure how to feel about that considering your previous bets haven't really worked out that well, don't be jinxing my girl!!...:p

I'm way too superstitious to bet on either Kimmie or Serena... You should see me when I'm watching a match live on TV- I get ridiculous with my superstitions, I need help.

Julia1968
Apr 1st, 2005, 02:15 AM
I can't see Maria beating Kim no matter how well she plays...

Look at yesterdays poll: Maria vs Venus

We've heard this all before.

lucashg
Apr 1st, 2005, 02:23 AM
Kim doesn't play like Venus, I think she has the game to beat Maria pretty easily, but judging Maria's recent performances (erasing the Davenport match, obviously), she will give Kim a lot of trouble and can walk out with a big win, actually. Kim made lots of UEs against Mauresmo, she has to keep them down.

Andy.
Apr 1st, 2005, 02:24 AM
Come on maria take her out and win your third title of the year.

serenafan08
Apr 1st, 2005, 02:26 AM
I think Kim will take it in three. She'll keep the score close, and that's what will do Maria in because she doesn't win close sets - at least she hasn't won any lately.

Atrixo
Apr 1st, 2005, 02:26 AM
Look at yesterdays poll: Maria vs Venus

We've heard this all before.


Certainly is looking that way. So many people are saying Maria doesn't stand a chance, again. :rolleyes:

A couple of nice wins by Kim, doesn't guarantee her a title. :(

Kabezya
Apr 1st, 2005, 02:27 AM
I'm not sure how to feel about that considering your previous bets haven't really worked out that well, don't be jinxing my girl!!...:p

:lol: Loyalty and faith can be a trip sometimes.

I'm way too superstitious to bet on either Kimmie or Serena... You should see me when I'm watching a match live on TV- I get ridiculous with my superstitions, I need help.

I know what you mean, but lately they've all just put me in an excited mode where everything is possible.

G1Player2
Apr 1st, 2005, 02:28 AM
Look at yesterdays poll: Maria vs Venus

We've heard this all before.

I never said Venus would beat Maria...

I did however say Serena would beat Maria in the Austrailian Open and I did say Kim will beat Maria in this final...100% sure...take it to the bank...

cometz9
Apr 1st, 2005, 02:28 AM
Kimmie :banana: in 2

~Cherry*Blossom~
Apr 1st, 2005, 02:28 AM
I want Kim to win, but I have a feeling that Sharapova will win in two sets, something like 6-2 6-3

Rub
Apr 1st, 2005, 02:31 AM
i just hope kim plays well... and yeah.. win! but she has been doing so much more than what i expected.... she's just awesome!

Sir Stefwhit
Apr 1st, 2005, 02:33 AM
Certainly is looking that way. So many people are saying Maria doesn't stand a chance, again. :rolleyes:

A couple of nice wins by Kim, doesn't guarantee her a title. :(
I don't think anyone in their right mind could honestly believe Maria doesn't stand a chance... Maria has to be the favorite coming into this match. I just happen to be under the belief that Kim has the goods to get the job done. I don't think it will be easy by any means, whom ever wins is probably going to have to step up and snatch the title from the other- both ladies are hungry and both ladies are going to give it their all... It should be fun!

LET'S GO KIMMIE!!!!

ys
Apr 1st, 2005, 02:44 AM
I think that Sharapova's game matches well against Clijsters game. There are two components of the game in which Dementieva and Mauresmo are not good while Sharapova excels , and those two components are Kim's vulnerability. Kim is an excellent defender, but a player who is capable of serving big and winning her service points on 1-2 strikes will instantly put Kim under serious pressure, and Sharapova is sucha player. If Sharapova serves well, by holding her serve she will be able to swing at will on returns. Second point is handling relatively short balls. As a defender Kim gives away plenty of those. Mauresmo simply does not have enough power to put those balls away. Dementieva's handling of short balls is her weakness - while her footwork is excellent on the baseline, she almost always hits from awkward positions on short balls and overhits plenty. Sharapova has a formidable abilty to handle short balls.

And the last but not least.. When was the last time Clijsters defeated a dominant and mentally tough player in a major match? I am afraid .. never..

Julia1968
Apr 1st, 2005, 02:49 AM
Certainly is looking that way. So many people are saying Maria doesn't stand a chance, again. :rolleyes:

A couple of nice wins by Kim, doesn't guarantee her a title. :(

And Kim hasn't faced a player that serves like Sharapova. She's played Dementieva and Mauresmo in the last two rounds.

Maria in two.

FaceyFacem
Apr 1st, 2005, 02:52 AM
should be GREAT, i'm VERY EXCITED FOR THIS, i think that kim should be the favorite, but it's a tossup, kim is in form and the kind of player that could frustrate maria, but maria's got some mental toughness, but so does kim....AAHHH, excited to watch and hoping kimmie pulls through!

"Topaz"
Apr 1st, 2005, 03:01 AM
Masha won't play up to the level she played against Venus. Why not, you may ask.
- Well, lightning just doesn't strike twice. :)
- The Williamses bring out things from their opponents that no other player can. :yeah:
- Masha cringes when people do the splits and Clijsters will do plenty. :devil:
- Yuri won't be able to tele-coach, as Mr Clijsters will stare him down and intimidate him. :mad:
- The 17-yr old might have to date Lleyton if she wins. :tape:

So, logically, she'll just have to bow down to Clijsters.

Stephieva
Apr 1st, 2005, 03:02 AM
- Masha cringes when people do the splits and Clijsters will do plenty. :devil:
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

LesViolettes
Apr 1st, 2005, 03:03 AM
Seeing as Kim just beat Amélie, I want her to take it.

Atrixo
Apr 1st, 2005, 03:03 AM
Masha won't play up to the level she played against Venus. Why not, you may ask.
- Well, lightning just doesn't strike twice. :)
- The Williamses bring out things from their opponents that no other player can. :yeah:
- Masha cringes when people do the splits and Clijsters will do plenty. :devil:
- Yuri won't be able to tele-coach, as Mr Clijsters will stare him down and intimidate him. :mad:
- The 17-yr old might have to date Lleyton if she wins. :tape:

So, logically, she'll just have to bow down to Clijsters.

Right.... :rolleyes: :smash: :retard: :cuckoo: :bs:

Sir Stefwhit
Apr 1st, 2005, 03:18 AM
I think that Sharapova's game matches well against Clijsters game. There are two components of the game in which Dementieva and Mauresmo are not good while Sharapova excels , and those two components are Kim's vulnerability. Kim is an excellent defender, but a player who is capable of serving big and winning her service points on 1-2 strikes will instantly put Kim under serious pressure, and Sharapova is sucha player. If Sharapova serves well, by holding her serve she will be able to swing at will on returns. Second point is handling relatively short balls. As a defender Kim gives away plenty of those. Mauresmo simply does not have enough power to put those balls away. Dementieva's handling of short balls is her weakness - while her footwork is excellent on the baseline, she almost always hits from awkward positions on short balls and overhits plenty. Sharapova has a formidable abilty to handle short balls.

And the last but not least.. When was the last time Clijsters defeated a dominant and mentally tough player in a major match? I am afraid .. never..
I think that Clijsters game matches up well against Sharapova’s game. Kim gets all the credit she rightfully deserves with regards to her defensive play, but many people fail to credit her offensive play and her ability to get her opponents on the run. The players that have the most success against Kim are the players who are good at turning a defensive shot into an offensive one. In addition to being able to tea off on the ball, the players who are successful against Kim are also amongst the quickest on tour as well. Kim will make Maria hit a lot of extra balls- so hitting one winner per rally won’t be enough. Although Maria has gotten a lot quicker over the last year, I still think Kim will be able to exploit Maria’s movement from side to side, as well as from baseline to the net. Kim can absorb a lot of power, so she’s not too worried about Maria’s pace- she can handle it. If Kim is indeed tired, she may have her work cut out for her. Maria and Lindsay have a lot of similarities- they have the same strengths and weaknesses. Kim’s game matches up well with Lindsay's for a lot of the reasons I mentioned and it’s not much different with regards to Maria. While I think you make a lot of valid points, I don’t think I agree with you that Kimmie gives up a lot of short balls. Kimmie, for the most part, has pretty good depth on most of her shots. As for Kimmie’s mental ability to get the job done... I have a feeling if Kim can put herself in position to win, she will do just that. If Maria can keep her errors low and her winners high then it will tough for Kimmie, but Maria will have to be on cuz Kimmie isn’t going to give it to her...

BUBI
Apr 1st, 2005, 03:25 AM
Kim will win something like 6-4 6-0

ys
Apr 1st, 2005, 03:28 AM
Maria and Lindsay have a lot of similarities- they have the same strengths and weaknesses.


They have major differences. Maria is a good mover. Maria is mentally solid like a rock. Lindsay's inability to play top players in big matches is well known.

Kim’s game matches up well with Lindsay's for a lot of the reasons I mentioned and it’s not much different with regards to Maria.


I think, Kim's game doesn't really match up well with Lindsay's. It's totally mental between them.

As for Kimmie’s mental ability to get the job done...

That's the biggest isuue. Maria is an excellent big match player. Kim is lousy big match player.

Rub
Apr 1st, 2005, 03:29 AM
Masha won't play up to the level she played against Venus. Why not, you may ask.
- Well, lightning just doesn't strike twice.
- The Williamses bring out things from their opponents that no other player can.
- Masha cringes when people do the splits and Clijsters will do plenty.
- Yuri won't be able to tele-coach, as Mr Clijsters will stare him down and intimidate him.
- The 17-yr old might have to date Lleyton if she wins.

So, logically, she'll just have to bow down to Clijsters.

:lol: :haha: :lol:

Sun*Kissed
Apr 1st, 2005, 03:36 AM
I'm really excited that Kimmie's doing so well this early in her comeback, satisfied with the final appearance but of course i'm definitely hoping for a win. I expect she'll play well and hopefully win it in three. Not a Sharapova fan, but unless she has a mental cramp like the semi against Lindsay@IW, i don't see her giving up it in straights. All the best to Kimmie :)

Marcus1979
Apr 1st, 2005, 03:37 AM
And the last but not least.. When was the last time Clijsters defeated a dominant and mentally tough player in a major match? I am afraid .. never..

she beat Serena Williams in the 2002 Year ending champsionships remember :)

G1Player2
Apr 1st, 2005, 03:38 AM
[QUOTE=ys]They have major differences. Maria is a good mover. Maria is mentally solid like a rock. Lindsay's inability to play top players in big matches is well known.


Are you smoking something illegal? Lindsay has a great record against the top players the last several months. And did Lindsay's inability to play top players hurt her from blowing Maria off the court 6-0, 6-0?


I think, Kim's game doesn't really match up well with Lindsay's. It's totally mental between them.


Oh please...Kim's game is the perfect antecdote for Lindsay and Lindsay and Maria's game are not that differnet...The only difference is that Maria koves SLIGHTLY better...

G1Player2
Apr 1st, 2005, 03:42 AM
[QUOTE=ys]I think that Sharapova's game matches well against Clijsters game. There are two components of the game in which Dementieva and Mauresmo are not good while Sharapova excels , and those two components are Kim's vulnerability. Kim is an excellent defender, but a player who is capable of serving big and winning her service points on 1-2 strikes will instantly put Kim under serious pressure, and Sharapova is sucha player. If Sharapova serves well, by holding her serve she will be able to swing at will on returns. Second point is handling relatively short balls. As a defender Kim gives away plenty of those. Mauresmo simply does not have enough power to put those balls away. Dementieva's handling of short balls is her weakness - while her footwork is excellent on the baseline, she almost always hits from awkward positions on short balls and overhits plenty. Sharapova has a formidable abilty to handle short balls.

Umm, Lindsay Davenport is the best at ending the points in 1 or 2 strikes with her big serve but Kim just beat her last week... :)

Doraemon
Apr 1st, 2005, 03:45 AM
Kim will take this although Maria is a GS winner.

CJ07
Apr 1st, 2005, 03:57 AM
Kim has problems with players who can do what she does, but better. That's whys she loses to Venus and Serena.

Sharapova doesn't do what Kim does better. Sharapova is pretty much pure offense, while Kim is a defense to offense player. Kim will frustrate Sharapova, and attack when she can. And if that doesn't work, she can play pure offense.

That's why Venus was so good back in the day, because she had that option. These days she's too inconsistent to do that.

hablo
Apr 1st, 2005, 03:58 AM
Go Kim in 3!!!! :angel:

ys
Apr 1st, 2005, 04:03 AM
Kim has problems with players who can do what she does, but better. That's whys she loses to Venus and Serena.

Wonderful. IF Venus can do better what Kim does, how can Kim beat Sharapova after Sharapova has just destroyed Venus?

Marcus1979
Apr 1st, 2005, 04:06 AM
Wonderful. IF Venus can do better what Kim does, how can Kim beat Sharapova after Sharapova has just destroyed Venus?

destroyed :confused:

6-4 6-3 is hardly destroyed its a standard scoreline in my opinion.

G1Player2
Apr 1st, 2005, 04:07 AM
Wonderful. IF Venus can do better what Kim does, how can Kim beat Sharapova after Sharapova has just destroyed Venus?

Because Kim owns Lindsay, Lindsay and Maria have similar games, and Lindsay just DESTROYED Maria 6-0, 6-0...Right?
:wavey:

ys
Apr 1st, 2005, 04:10 AM
Lindsay and Maria have similar games

I never said that they have similar games.

tenn_ace
Apr 1st, 2005, 04:10 AM
well, unless Kim's opponents in early rounds are completely out of form (3 top 10 players), so she hasn't had much opposition, it's going to be very tough for Maria...

my heart will be with Masha, but my money will be on Kim.

Marcus1979
Apr 1st, 2005, 04:14 AM
Kim has come back as if she never left tho. :)

It took the sisters months to show this kind of form

ys
Apr 1st, 2005, 04:17 AM
Kim has come back as if she never left tho. :)

It took the sisters months to show this kind of form

Let me put it bluntly.. Williams sisters are .. lazy.. There are many lazy players on Tours. For one, my faves Kafelnikov and Safin are quite lazy too. Lazy players rarely practice hard and only can get into good form by playing matches. Kim and Justine are not lazy, they are hardworking players who practice a lot. That explains.

..ikke..
Apr 1st, 2005, 04:21 AM
Kim in 2 :D
Nobody can beat her right now

rue
Apr 1st, 2005, 04:50 AM
I think that Kim may win this. Her defense is just really excellent and she is playing well enough this year to best Maria.

Lemonskin.
Apr 1st, 2005, 06:52 AM
:scared:

syd
Apr 1st, 2005, 07:00 AM
come on Kim !!!!!

faboozadoo15
Apr 1st, 2005, 07:25 AM
I think Kim will take it in three. She'll keep the score close, and that's what will do Maria in because she doesn't win close sets - at least she hasn't won any lately.
she won a 6-4 set today :tape:

pla
Apr 1st, 2005, 08:00 AM
Kim has come back as if she never left tho. :)

It took the sisters months to show this kind of form

Hum, I think Kim is stronger than before. I notice people here talking about Kim having problems on the big occasions. Guys/girls, Kim returned from an injury that could cost her entire career. Don't you think that making such a return forges the character? I believe and I think I see it in the confidence Kim has right now, she is not the same- she is much tougher.

The key of the final for me will be the fatigue. Although Maria played more than Kim this year, it's very hard to come from "rest" to a charged, very phyisic-demanding sports rythm. Kim is more tired and this could play in her consistency. If Kim isn't consistent, there is no way she can win. If she is, then she is the favorite.

nUwAnN
Apr 1st, 2005, 08:27 AM
Kim in two set :tape:

Maria Croft
Apr 1st, 2005, 08:31 AM
Kim is playing unbelievable tennis, it will be difficult for Maria to break her game down, but if anyone can that she is that one person !! Good luck Maria !! sharapova in 3 sets

Dasha_
Apr 1st, 2005, 08:52 AM
And Kim hasn't faced a player that serves like Sharapova. She's played Dementieva and Mauresmo in the last two rounds.

Maria in two.

Talking about the servers - didn't Kim beat Devenport at IW final? I mean, after Lindsay gave sharapova a free tennis lesson?!

Doc
Apr 1st, 2005, 10:52 AM
It's so funny to see these same people who have been so wrong in the last five polls where, according to them, "Player x" was going to flatten Maria. Then Maria flattens them - and are these people contrite? Do they learn?

No they come back in the next poll, with the same cheesy remarks - as if nothing had happened. It's like goldfish, with a memory retention of 30 seconds. They just come back with the same crap, seemingly totally unaware that they were just blown out of the water 245 hours ago, and 24 hours before that, :rolleyes:

Yes. Kim is tough. Maybe if you back enough times against Maria one day you will get it right. but give Maria some credit.

schris
Apr 1st, 2005, 11:53 AM
Maria in 2 or 3 :yeah:

Tennisaddict
Apr 1st, 2005, 12:04 PM
Wonderful. IF Venus can do better what Kim does, how can Kim beat Sharapova after Sharapova has just destroyed Venus?

You know very well that Sharapova played a Venus in improving form. The poster was referring to the Venus of 2000/2003 and Sharapova would not have a chance if she had faced that Venus yesterday. But I guess you're just trying to stir up bullshit like always when it comes to the WS :rolleyes:.

Anyway, I think Kim has a good chance to "upset" Sharapova because she can get her out of her rythm. When Sharapova constantly has to hit an extra ball to finish a point she will get frustrated eventually because Kim doesn't give up. That's where Kim comes in and can start playing offensive and because Sharapova's defense is not that great and her footspeed not as good as Kim's, she''ll get wore down.

It won't be easy though for Kim. Sharapova won't give up without a fight.
I say Kim in three.

Chunchun
Apr 1st, 2005, 12:06 PM
kim in 2 :angel:

Tennisaddict
Apr 1st, 2005, 12:12 PM
Kim has come back as if she never left tho. :)

It took the sisters months to show this kind of form

True, but Kim has trained everything but her left wrist in her time off. So naturally she was good to go and only needed matchpractice/toughness to get in the rythm. She's doing it extremely well but it's not surprising to me. She's beating everybody she's supposed to and losing to who she's supposed to loose to.

WS had different injuries and there is no comparison with Kim. You can't even compare Venus's injury with Serena's injury.The WS could not work on their shots and work out in the gym like Kim did. Venus could not even lift a bag because of that ab injury. All three have their own ways of coming back and they're doing fine.

thelma
Apr 1st, 2005, 12:15 PM
Go Kimmie! :bounce:

jj74
Apr 1st, 2005, 12:22 PM
Maria in three, but it's quite impresing the way Kim is playing so soon after her return

Szymanowski
Apr 1st, 2005, 12:26 PM
I think it's very hard to say. I really don't know actually. Obviously, I'm cheering for Maria all the way;)

lizchris
Apr 1st, 2005, 12:58 PM
Let me put it bluntly.. Williams sisters are .. lazy.. There are many lazy players on Tours. For one, my faves Kafelnikov and Safin are quite lazy too. Lazy players rarely practice hard and only can get into good form by playing matches. Kim and Justine are not lazy, they are hardworking players who practice a lot. That explains.


Yes, Serena and Safin are lazy; that's why they are the holders of the AO ladeis' and mens' titles.:rolleyes:

Considering Venus, Serena and Safin are in the top ten, I tihnk I'd rather have that than people who practice six hours a day and can barely crack the top 10 or 20 for that matter.

lizchris
Apr 1st, 2005, 01:02 PM
Wonderful. IF Venus can do better what Kim does, how can Kim beat Sharapova after Sharapova has just destroyed Venus?


Maria didn't beat Venus 6-0, 6-0 (like she was two weeks ago); she beat her 6-4, 6-3, a difference of a break of serve in both sets.

Szymanowski
Apr 1st, 2005, 01:11 PM
Talking about the servers - didn't Kim beat Devenport at IW final? I mean, after Lindsay gave sharapova a free tennis lesson?!
good point; I don't Maria's serve is necessarily such a great weapon against Kim; hasn't it been shakey this week?; I think I remember heraing this? :confused:

SelesFan70
Apr 1st, 2005, 01:15 PM
Maria in 3 :wavey:

6-3, 3-6, 6-3

Dave B
Apr 1st, 2005, 01:25 PM
Dave's Keys to the match:

Kim's return: Against good servers, like Lindsay, Kim has always returned VERY well (not winners, but returns that make the point close to nuetrel). Maria probably won't be able to rely on her serve for many free points.

Maria's return: Big weapon. Kim's serve is solid, but not great. If Maria can pump up the agression and keep it under control, she will have a lot of success on Kim's serve.

Maria's groundies: Kim will get a lot of balls back. Stats wise, if you have to hit two put away shots instead of one, you are twice as likely to make an error. Maria needs to avoid these numbers--she will need more than 6 or 7 winners per set as Kim gives away very few forced errors, but at the same time keep her errors low. If she can attain this level of aggression and keep her errors low, she will have a good shot.

Kim's Aggression- People always say Kim is a defensive player, but I always classify her as a counter-puncher. That being said, if she can be aggressive enough times, she will really annoy Maria. Maria's game is centered around controlling the points, and she might feel like she has to go for more than she should. Kim's ability to be aggresive may cause Maria's groundies to become erratic, much like we see with Lindsay. Kim is a difficult player for the powerful because they have to hit just the right balance of power and patience.

Overall, Maria is a player who is out there to be aggressive and control points. Its not just Kim's ability to defend that helps her in this match up, but its her ability to turn the point around and be aggressive. I think Marie has really not faced a counter-puncher at Kim's level. If Maria is playing at her very top level she will win, but I think she will need another match to take a win from Kim.

Kim in 3.

Also, on kim's "mental toughness", her big match record is actually pretty good (finals, etc.) if you ignore her match play against Justine. There relationship is complicated, and she won't have to face those aspects on court tomorrow.

hythger
Apr 1st, 2005, 01:29 PM
Kim in 3
the girl is on fire!

.ivy.
Apr 1st, 2005, 01:32 PM
Kim in two.

Cybelle Darkholme
Apr 1st, 2005, 01:32 PM
Wonderful. IF Venus can do better what Kim does, how can Kim beat Sharapova after Sharapova has just destroyed Venus?

Hmm and here i thought being destroyed was losing 6 0 6 0....:tape:

Cybelle Darkholme
Apr 1st, 2005, 01:38 PM
It's so funny to see these same people who have been so wrong in the last five polls where, according to them, "Player x" was going to flatten Maria. Then Maria flattens them - and are these people contrite? Do they learn?

No they come back in the next poll, with the same cheesy remarks - as if nothing had happened. It's like goldfish, with a memory retention of 30 seconds. They just come back with the same crap, seemingly totally unaware that they were just blown out of the water 245 hours ago, and 24 hours before that, :rolleyes:

Yes. Kim is tough. Maybe if you back enough times against Maria one day you will get it right. but give Maria some credit.

well just last week she lost 6 0 6 0 so the predictions and cheesy remarks arent that off.

tennislover
Apr 1st, 2005, 01:40 PM
it depends....
the best Masha will beat the best Kim.....

LeRoy.
Apr 1st, 2005, 01:41 PM
Maria in two close sets if she is serving as well as she was yesterday or else in three:)

Good Luck to both girls :wavey:

Szymanowski
Apr 1st, 2005, 02:12 PM
Kim's a nice person; I wouldn't mind so much if she beat Maria as another player.

foreva lindsay
Apr 1st, 2005, 02:25 PM
Kim in 3 GO KIM

TeamUSA#1
Apr 1st, 2005, 03:10 PM
And Kim hasn't faced a player that serves like Sharapova. She's played Dementieva and Mauresmo in the last two rounds.

Maria in two.


Ummm, Kimmie faced Davenport last week at IW... HELLO! she won that match.

Kim is winning this match. Maria's game is all about 1st strike, and she wont be able to pull that off against the fastest and best defense player on the WTA.

ys
Apr 1st, 2005, 03:15 PM
OK, I made up my mind. Sharapova in two easy sets.

joaco
Apr 1st, 2005, 03:21 PM
I believe that it'll be a three setter thriller and Sharapova will prevail. Good luck both ladies

FERLKE
Apr 1st, 2005, 03:24 PM
Masha please defeat her!!!!!!!!!!!

goldenlox
Apr 1st, 2005, 03:41 PM
This is Maria's last match until the German Open, her last match at 17.
I think she's going to give it a big effort.
And if she wins, she's going to lie down on the court, among other stuff.

Warrior
Apr 1st, 2005, 03:46 PM
I don't care who wins. Both of my girls made it to the final. :D As long as it is a competitive match I will be satisfied.

hablo
Apr 1st, 2005, 03:47 PM
Is the final played today or tomorrow??

jenglisbe
Apr 1st, 2005, 04:23 PM
It might come down to who has more gas (so to speak). Both players have talked about being tired; Kim hasn't played this many matches in a row in months, and Maria has played a lot of tennis in 2005. I can see them both coming out flat and having an uninspired match. If that happens, Kim will win because when Maria is off, she's really off (see IW semis).

If they both play well, I think Maria will take it because she has more intensity.

lizchris
Apr 1st, 2005, 04:32 PM
Is the final played today or tomorrow??


Tomorrow, weather permitting.

There is a big rainstorm coming to the East Coast that stretches from upper Maine to South Florida.

ys
Apr 1st, 2005, 04:37 PM
This is Maria's last match until the German Open, her last match at 17.
I think she's going to give it a big effort.
And if she wins, she's going to lie down on the court, among other stuff.

And if she wins, she might be ranked #1 in just one week time.

goldenlox
Apr 1st, 2005, 04:39 PM
And if she wins, she might be ranked #1 in just one week time.Maria is going to be partying after this match :aparty: :aparty: :rocker2: :music: :aparty: :aparty:
18 :baby:

the cat
Apr 1st, 2005, 04:43 PM
And that would be very sweet ys. :D I think the sooner Maria becomes #1 on the WTA computer for the first time and gets it out of the way the better off she'll be. It wil be a fine accomplishment for Masha to become #1 but I don't think it's as good as her winning her first grand slam singles title Wimbledon last year.

I am shocked Kim Clijsters is playing so well just after returning to the tour. :eek: Just last year there was talk of her never playing again. Now look at her. I think her great speed and great defense will give Masha problems. Masha will have to serve well and play a relatively clean match to beat Clijsters. Udachi Maria! :bounce:

ys
Apr 1st, 2005, 04:47 PM
I am shocked Kim Clijsters is playing so well just after returning to the tour. :eek: Just last year there was talk of her never playing again. Now look at her. I think her great speed and great defense will give Masha problems. Masha will have to

Kim is not playing better than before, not playing worse than before. She is playing same as before. So far she is only beating her traditional clients. The only time she played someone who is not her pigeon, she lost. She'll lose tomorrow. Bet on Masha.. And then, and then.. Lindsay Davenport will draw to play Venus Williams in quarterfinals of AI, will lose , and Maria will become #1.. :D

lizchris
Apr 1st, 2005, 04:51 PM
Kim is not playing better than before, not playing worse than before. She is playing same as before. So far she is only beating her traditional clients. The only time she played someone who is not her pigeon, she lost. She'll lose tomorrow. Bet on Masha.. And then, and then.. Lindsay Davenport will draw to play Venus Williams in quarterfinals of AI, will lose , and Maria will become #1.. :D


I thought Lindsay was better than Venus now?:confused:

PaulHopkins
Apr 1st, 2005, 04:52 PM
I think Maria will win in 2 sets.

DA FOREHAND
Apr 1st, 2005, 05:15 PM
I think that Sharapova's game matches well against Clijsters game. There are two components of the game in which Dementieva and Mauresmo are not good while Sharapova excels , and those two components are Kim's vulnerability. Kim is an excellent defender, but a player who is capable of serving big and winning her service points on 1-2 strikes will instantly put Kim under serious pressure, and Sharapova is sucha player. If Sharapova serves well, by holding her serve she will be able to swing at will on returns. Second point is handling relatively short balls. As a defender Kim gives away plenty of those. Mauresmo simply does not have enough power to put those balls away. Dementieva's handling of short balls is her weakness - while her footwork is excellent on the baseline, she almost always hits from awkward positions on short balls and overhits plenty. Sharapova has a formidable abilty to handle short balls.

And the last but not least.. When was the last time Clijsters defeated a dominant and mentally tough player in a major match? I am afraid .. never..

Lindsay has those qualities too. Great serve to execute one two punches, and she's absolutely lethal when she steps into the court, yet Kim gave her a reverse bagel and ran away w/the I.W. title. NEXT

It will come down to execution, Kim is playing great Maria is playing clean, I think she will have to raise her level to beat KIm.

Kart
Apr 1st, 2005, 05:22 PM
Sharapova wins unless Kim plays better than she did against Amelie.

GO KIM !!!

Glenn
Apr 1st, 2005, 05:44 PM
Clijsters def. Sharapova 6-3 6-4

Dave B
Apr 1st, 2005, 06:00 PM
OK, I made up my mind. Sharapova in two easy sets.

:lol: just now I am sure.


I find it funny that a lot of you think this match is an easy call, one way or the other. Maybe its because I am a fan of both players, but I think this match is a really tough call. I mean they are both playing well and they have never really faced before (Maria was a different player in 2003). We are all just playing guessing games. Who knows what will happen?

Zippy
Apr 1st, 2005, 06:24 PM
And the last but not least.. When was the last time Clijsters defeated a dominant and mentally tough player in a major match? I am afraid .. never..
NEVER :confused:

I don't have time to look up all her big matches, but I could have sworn she beat Serena in the finals to win the 02 YEC. And that was when Serena was STEAM ROLLING through the tour dominating everyone and winning 3 straight Slams which included winning Wimby and US Open WITHOUT even dropping a set :eek:. If that win against Serena wasn't beating a dominant and mentally tough player in a major match, then I don't know what is :rolleyes:

jacobruiz
Apr 1st, 2005, 06:46 PM
I thought Lindsay was better than Venus now?:confused:

He means Lindsay has to lose for Maria to become #1.

Maria serve will have to be on and she'll have to cut down on unforced errors, which she did against Venus, but I think she'll beat Kimmie. Hard to say, though, Kim is playing great tennis and I don't think she is going to choke in this final.

May the best girl win!:bounce:

Clittina
Apr 1st, 2005, 06:48 PM
Kim to win!!! :bounce: :bounce:

galaxyempress
Apr 1st, 2005, 06:58 PM
I'm hoping Kim wins. But you never know.

lizchris
Apr 1st, 2005, 07:00 PM
He means Lindsay has to lose for Maria to become #1.

Maria serve will have to be on and she'll have to cut down on unforced errors, which she did against Venus, but I think she'll beat Kimmie. Hard to say, though, Kim is playing great tennis and I don't think she is going to choke in this final.

May the best girl win!:bounce:


I hope Kim does!!

gentenaire
Apr 1st, 2005, 07:48 PM
I think this is a very tough call. I'm afraid Maria will win this. She's got an excellent return and will put a lot of pressure on Kim's serve. So I expect Kim to make a lot of DFs. And she won't be able to win too many points at the net, Maria can make some great passing shots.

Hopefully I'll be proven wrong. Go Kim!

tennisjunky
Apr 1st, 2005, 08:08 PM
maria in 2

there are a lot of good analysis in this thread. i have to reply to a few of them when i get a chance.

lienie18
Apr 2nd, 2005, 09:10 AM
I think it can be very close, Kim & Maria are obviously the best players of the moment. Although i think that Kim is getting tired & there is a lot of pressure on the wrist. If Kim wins, it 'll be great : IW AND Miami on her comeback. If she loses it's OK, she has nothing to prove. I'm hoping for a good match!

HotSpot
Apr 2nd, 2005, 09:13 AM
kim for sure...

m_pierce fan
Apr 2nd, 2005, 09:51 AM
Kim will win in 2 sets....7:5 6:4 !! :D
Go Kim!!

hablo
Apr 2nd, 2005, 10:02 AM
Tomorrow, weather permitting.

There is a big rainstorm coming to the East Coast that stretches from upper Maine to South Florida.

Thanx for answering my question!!! :bounce:

Rub
Apr 2nd, 2005, 10:23 AM
i hope kim pull through!

Rub
Apr 2nd, 2005, 10:26 AM
i think kim's advantage is that she really matured... i think she can handle this well...

SpikeyAidanm
Apr 2nd, 2005, 10:46 AM
My gut feeling:

Sharapova 7-5, 2-6, 6-4

jamba2
Apr 2nd, 2005, 12:37 PM
I think maria will win this match

23TwentyThree23
Apr 2nd, 2005, 02:34 PM
I'm really surprised twice as many people think kim will win this match! I have absolutely no doubt that maria will win...she took a set from kim when she had just started out about 3 years ago! I love kim to bits and think her comeback has been great (see you at roland garros, kim!), but I really think the match will be maria, in 2!

dylan24
Apr 2nd, 2005, 03:51 PM
I'm really surprised twice as many people think kim will win this match! I have absolutely no doubt that maria will win...she took a set from kim when she had just started out about 3 years ago! I love kim to bits and think her comeback has been great (see you at roland garros, kim!), but I really think the match will be maria, in 2!

kim is the favorite to win -170

selyoink
Apr 2nd, 2005, 04:51 PM
I think Maria will end Kim's remarkable run in 3 sets. Kim though as a great chance and I wouldn't be surprised at all if she wins.

kiwifan
Apr 2nd, 2005, 04:57 PM
Kim looked better before the rain delay...

...hopefully Maria can change that. :angel:

Mercury Rising
Apr 3rd, 2005, 10:17 PM
OK, I made up my mind. Sharapova in two easy sets.I hope you bet alot of money on that :yeah: