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AnnArbor25
Mar 31st, 2005, 10:54 PM
There is no doubt in my mind now that Maria kicks and is better than Venus and Serena.
She is dominating both sisters and the WTA.
She easily crushed Venus is straight sets and is the youngest player to ever dominate the sisters so consistently.
Hats off to Maria. :bounce: :bounce:

Kabezya
Mar 31st, 2005, 10:55 PM
So before this Maria, you are saying Venus and Serena were the best and the standard?

bandabou
Mar 31st, 2005, 10:56 PM
Hmm.....well, maybe Venus still hasn't found out how to beat maria...but Serena showed just recently that she CAN beat Maria....of course Maria is on a high and with age on her side, she's bound to be the heir to the sisters.....but dominate is a strong word.

LindsayRocks89
Mar 31st, 2005, 10:58 PM
Um excuse me. . .

Serena showed why she is and always will be better than Maria in Australia. There head to head is 2-2, and it seems like everyone forgets Serena was injured at the YEC, and i do believe she would have won that.

Yes she has beat Venus twice, but atleast the last one wasn't easy, Venus took it to Maria at times and is on her way back.

Yes Maria is an exceptional player but enough of how she is so much better than Venus and Serena.

Maria really isn't dominating anyone.

jacobruiz
Mar 31st, 2005, 10:59 PM
Oh, there's nothing settled and that's a stupid thing to say.:rolleyes: But I'm sure you know that and just want to start something.

Venus+Serena#1fan
Mar 31st, 2005, 10:59 PM
No Maria is not better. Serena beat her the last time they played and their head 2 head is tied, so nobody can say she is better than her.....

Yes, she does have a winning record against Vee, so for now you can say she is better than Venus, but there will be more matches to decide.....

And if u look at their careers, regardless of age. Venus and Serena ARE better.

Brooks.
Mar 31st, 2005, 11:00 PM
There is no doubt in my mind now that Maria kicks and is better than Venus and Serena.
She is dominating both sisters and the WTA.
She easily crushed Venus is straight sets and is the youngest player to ever dominate the sisters so consistently.
Hats off to Maria. :bounce: :bounce:

are you really annn arbor from fatal attraction and other films.......... :eek: :rolleyes: ...............get a life :kiss:

thelittlestelf
Mar 31st, 2005, 11:03 PM
There is no doubt in my mind now that Maria kicks and is better than Venus and Serena.
She is dominating both sisters and the WTA.
She easily crushed Venus is straight sets and is the youngest player to ever dominate the sisters so consistently.
Hats off to Maria. :bounce: :bounce:If by consistently dominating you mean having a mere 4-2 record over both, then yes, you are right. Well done.

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

apoet29
Mar 31st, 2005, 11:07 PM
It is a silly question to ask at this point considering that both Maria and Serena and Venus are still playing. When all three have retired, then we can probably answer this question.

Still it is unfair to say that despite Maria's age, the Williams sisters are better than her. They are more accomplished than she is due to the fact that they have played longer, but it is unfair to make a career comparison and then say that Venus and Serena are better because of it.

StarDuvallGrant
Mar 31st, 2005, 11:09 PM
It is a silly question to ask at this point considering that both Maria and Serena and Venus are still playing. When all three have retired, then we can probably answer this question.

Still it is unfair to say that despite Maria's age, the Williams sisters are better than her. They are more accomplished than she is due to the fact that they have played longer, but it is unfair to make a career comparison and then say that Venus and Serena are better because of it.


Which begs to question why comparisons are even made :confused:

xan
Mar 31st, 2005, 11:14 PM
Is Maria "better"?

It's far too early to say. She has a 2-2 record with Serena, better with Venus. However it will take many more matches and tournaments to show who (if either) is better.

Maria has the promise and potential to be a great player, but let's not put too much pressure on her so soon.

StarDuvallGrant
Mar 31st, 2005, 11:16 PM
It's not about putting pressue on Maria. It's about taking away status and taking away credit and accomplishments from all three involved. THis argument of who is the better player can go both ways --- for Maria, against the Sisters. For the Sisters against Maria. All it accomplishes is taking away from those named.

Edward.
Mar 31st, 2005, 11:19 PM
I can't agree with this.

Maria and Serena's matches are usually very close. I believe they are very, very close to each other right now.

As for Venus, she has never played Maria when she has been at the very top of her game. Maria has beaten a Venus in poor form, and a Venus in improving form. Its hard to draw conclusions until they play each other when they are both at their very best.

nysaga
Mar 31st, 2005, 11:22 PM
I love her Maria's on court demeanor. So CLASSY and business-like like other tennis greats Graf and Seles. Serena has the ugliest demeanor of any top players I've ever seen, Davorport included. Her whiny face when she played against Likhovtseva the other night was hilarious and so unflattering.

StarDuvallGrant
Mar 31st, 2005, 11:23 PM
I love her Maria's on court demeanor. So CLASSY and business-like like other tennis greats Graf and Seles. Serena has the ugliest demeanor of any top players I've ever seen, Davorport included. Her whiny face when she played against Likhovtseva the other night was hilarious and so unflattering.


:spit:

Steffica Greles
Mar 31st, 2005, 11:25 PM
Oh no it's not.

Serena was, as people have said, injured at the Championships, and defeated Maria in Australia.

Venus lost today, but the statistics (I didn't see the match) indicate that Venus was the aggressor and lost the match at crucial stages when she dropped her intensity.

I think this is the conclusion: Maria is the first player to have absolutely no fear for the Williams' - and that's what's most impressive. Unlike Davenport, Clijsters, Mauresmo, Henin-H, Maria just focuses on herself.

I think Venus and Serena are both conscious that Maria doesn't tremble at them like others have done, too.

harloo
Mar 31st, 2005, 11:25 PM
I love her Maria's on court demeanor. So CLASSY and business-like like other tennis greats Graf and Seles. Serena has the ugliest demeanor of any top players I've ever seen, Davorport included. Her whiny face when she played against Likhovtseva the other night was hilarious and so unflattering.

You smokin crack?:lol:

StarDuvallGrant
Mar 31st, 2005, 11:30 PM
Oh no it's not.

Serena was, as people have said, injured at the Championships, and defeated Maria in Australia.

Venus lost today, but the statistics (I didn't see the match) indicate that Venus was the aggressor and lost the match at crucial stages when she dropped her intensity.

I think this is the conclusion: Maria is the first player to have absolutely no fear for the Williams' - and that's what's most impressive. Unlike Davenport, Clijsters, Mauresmo, Henin-H, Maria just focuses on herself.

I think Venus and Serena are both conscious that Maria doesn't tremble at them like others have done, too.

I think all three players are concious of one another and they don't fear each other in the least. I'm actually starting to enjoy these meetings for what they bring to the table. Dare I say, I'm respecting all three :lol:

nysaga
Mar 31st, 2005, 11:32 PM
Oh no it's not.

Serena was, as people have said, injured at the Championships, and defeated Maria in Australia.

Venus lost today, but the statistics (I didn't see the match) indicate that Venus was the aggressor and lost the match at crucial stages when she dropped her intensity.

I think this is the conclusion: Maria is the first player to have absolutely no fear for the Williams' - and that's what's most impressive. Unlike Davenport, Clijsters, Mauresmo, Henin-H, Maria just focuses on herself.

I think Venus and Serena are both conscious that Maria doesn't tremble at them like others have done, too.

don't place any input when you didn't watch the match. Maria had Venus running side to side from the first point. All the error Venus made were forced errors. She got to the ball (therefore no winners) but it was so good Venus couldn't get it over the net.

TeamUSA#1
Mar 31st, 2005, 11:39 PM
Whoa.... I like Maria enough, but this thread is WAT too premature!!! She beat Venus today--- good for her--- but she hasmany more wins to achieve before you can state she is dominating the sisters and the rest of the WTA....

Lolo8
Mar 31st, 2005, 11:47 PM
Oh no it's not.

Serena was, as people have said, injured at the Championships, and defeated Maria in Australia.

Venus lost today, but the statistics (I didn't see the match) indicate that Venus was the aggressor and lost the match at crucial stages when she dropped her intensity.

I think this is the conclusion: Maria is the first player to have absolutely no fear for the Williams' - and that's what's most impressive. Unlike Davenport, Clijsters, Mauresmo, Henin-H, Maria just focuses on herself.

I think Venus and Serena are both conscious that Maria doesn't tremble at them like others have done, too.
Excuse me but I don't think that it was Venus and Serena fault that other players were scared of them. It has always been the dumb ass commentators who talked about Vee and Ree aura of invincibility. The sisters were just confident and believed in their abilities just like Sharapova does now.

Paldias
Mar 31st, 2005, 11:49 PM
I wouldn't say she's better, but I wouldn't say the Williams sisters are better either. I think that Maria played amazing today, and she deserved to win. We'll see how it unfolds this year, it's too early to say Maria/Williamses are better than so-and-so.

Diesel
Mar 31st, 2005, 11:53 PM
Why compare the two sides?

Venus and Serena will always be great for what they've done in the tennis world and out of it.

Maria will make her own legacy.

Venus and Serena and Maria will be what they will be because they individually will have paved their careers. All this other stuff is complete bullshit.

Lolo8
Mar 31st, 2005, 11:56 PM
There is no doubt in my mind now that Maria kicks and is better than Venus and Serena.
She is dominating both sisters and the WTA.
She easily crushed Venus is straight sets and is the youngest player to ever dominate the sisters so consistently.
Hats off to Maria. :bounce: :bounce:
Grow up man. The Williams may not be dominate like they use to but your stupidity blinds you to the fact that their are other players on the tour besides the Williams who will challenge Maria.The Williams aren't her main rivals.Not only that Sharapova has to play out of her mind to beat a Williams. She doesn't just nonchalantly walk on the court expecting to give the Williams a beat down. In fact no one does that. Maria has to be on top of her game when she plays Vee or Ree. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

serenafan08
Apr 1st, 2005, 12:00 AM
Grow up man. The Williams may not be dominate like they use to but your stupidity blinds you to the fact that their are other players on the tour besides the Williams who will challenge Maria.The Williams aren't her main rivals.Not only that Sharapova has to play out of her mind to beat a Williams. She doesn't just nonchalantly walk on the court expecting to give the Williams a beat down. In fact no one does that. Maria has to be on top of her game when she plays Vee or Ree. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Couldn't have said it better myself! I think that one player that will really challenge Maria is Clijsters - I can't wait until they square off! But to say that she's better than Serena and Venus is highly over-compensated. Her credentials don't even compare to Serena and Venus's yet - she hasn't done half of what they've done. When she wins five out of six Slams and is ranked number one, then you can say she's better than them. But for now, she's still got things to learn - like how to win a close set.

Steffica Greles
Apr 1st, 2005, 12:01 AM
LOL8:

Er, I would argue that yes it was the Williams' fault people were scared of them. They were too powerful, too athletic, so confident.

In Maria, at least in the confidence stakes, they have more than met their match.
And that's good for women's tennis.

Rollo
Apr 1st, 2005, 12:02 AM
April Fool's threads are starting early this year I see. :lol:

A "dominating" WTA player doesn't get her ass kicked 6-0 6-0 by anyone unless it's Roger Federer or Andy Roddick:rolleyes:

And for 2005 it's 1-Serena 0-Maria in the slams.


I'm big on Maria myself-but give it a rest until she wins more than 1 grand slam in her young career.

jacobruiz
Apr 1st, 2005, 12:10 AM
I love her Maria's on court demeanor. So CLASSY and business-like like other tennis greats Graf and Seles. Serena has the ugliest demeanor of any top players I've ever seen, Davorport included. Her whiny face when she played against Likhovtseva the other night was hilarious and so unflattering.

Been here three years and suddenly decide to crawl out from under your rock?:rolleyes:

dreamgoddess099
Apr 1st, 2005, 12:24 AM
There is no doubt in my mind now that Maria kicks and is better than Venus and Serena.That statement proves that something is seriously wrong with your mind.
She is dominating both sisters and the WTA. I don't know what you consider to be dominating, but winning one grandslam and a couple of matches is far from it. Do you say these this to make yourself look like and idiot, because you are certainly overachieving your goal.
She easily crushed Venus is straight setsDude what match were you watching? I saw Venus hitting winners left and right against Maria, but also hit too many ufes. There was nothing Maria threw at Venus that Venus didn't handle. and is the youngest player to ever dominate the sisters so consistently. First of all, she's not the first player to gain a few wins off the sisters and she's certainly not the youngest. Can you say Hingis? That said, the sisters both discoverd how to beat Hingis, I have no doubt they will do the same with Maria. And Hingis had four or five slams by the time she was Maria's age.

Geisha
Apr 1st, 2005, 12:25 AM
Better than Venus- Probably.
Better than Serena- hahahaha

The last time I checked, Serena "whooped" Maria at the Australian.

nysaga
Apr 1st, 2005, 12:25 AM
Been here three years and suddenly decide to crawl out from under your rock?:rolleyes:

oh...i have a life and I was waiting for someone to come along and save tennis from the unclassy Williams family.

AnnArbor25
Apr 1st, 2005, 12:28 AM
I love her Maria's on court demeanor. So CLASSY and business-like like other tennis greats Graf and Seles. Serena has the ugliest demeanor of any top players I've ever seen, Davorport included. Her whiny face when she played against Likhovtseva the other night was hilarious and so unflattering.

I couldn't have said it better myself. Great post!

AnnArbor25
Apr 1st, 2005, 12:35 AM
There is more to what makes a player better than another than a head to head record. Besides just being an all around better player, Maria is classier, makes more money and much softer on they eyes. Venus and Serena will never dominate tennis again. :bounce:

Serendy Willick
Apr 1st, 2005, 12:36 AM
Better than Venus-sure you can say that now since Venus crumbled when it counted most:rolleyes:

Better than Serena?- Puleeze Serena playing some of her worst tennis has beaten Hyperova. Serena would have a 3-1 H2H had it not been for injury at the YEC, because Hyperova was getting thourghly outplayed.

Serena Williams 7 slams, Hyperova- 1 slam

Venus Williams 4 slams, Hyperova- 1 slam enough said:rolleyes:

G1Player2
Apr 1st, 2005, 12:36 AM
There is more to what makes a player better than another than a head to head record. Besides just being an all around better player, Maria is classier, makes more money and much softer on they eyes. Venus and Serena will never dominate tennis again. :bounce:

Austrailian Open 2005
:wavey:

xin_hui
Apr 1st, 2005, 12:37 AM
i knew these kind of threads will come out.....:rolleyes:

one win doesnt automatically make u better:rolleyes: ok, maria won today. but that's it. nothing else

RenaSlam.
Apr 1st, 2005, 12:38 AM
The sisters are nowhere near the level they once were. The injuries have taken their toll, particularly on Serena's game. Her forehand is not as powerful as it once was, and Venus' confidence up until now has been in the gutter. Justine and Kim are just coming back, so women's tennis is going to get interesting.

tennischick
Apr 1st, 2005, 12:38 AM
the question of Serena vs Maria is still not settled in my opinion. my concern is that Serena may not be interested enuf in settling it once and for all. at least not enuf to give up some of her interests and focus on tennis.

Brandon85
Apr 1st, 2005, 12:41 AM
i think they all three are great, it just depends on who's day it is. maria played much better than venus today, but it could be the total opposite next time. also sometimes maria is better than serena, sometimes she's not.

hingis-seles
Apr 1st, 2005, 01:25 AM
I love her Maria's on court demeanor. So CLASSY and business-like like other tennis greats Graf and Seles. Serena has the ugliest demeanor of any top players I've ever seen, Davorport included. Her whiny face when she played against Likhovtseva the other night was hilarious and so unflattering.

:haha: :haha:

OMG! I love some of the posts these trolls make. Fucking hilarious and pointless at the same time! :lol:

Cybelle Darkholme
Apr 1st, 2005, 01:28 AM
This thread is ridiculous.

No one is dominating the tour. last time I checked there were four different slam holders.

If you must compare one player to others then Maria is dominating all the russians isnt she? Hey isnt serena Dominating the russians too?

:rolleyes:

There is no one dominating at the moment. Just face the fact that the talent level in women's tennis is rising and right now anyone of the top players can win.

Look at what kim is doing and she's just inside of the top fifty.


I am not ashamed to say that Maria is currently playing better than venus. Does she have the better career? No. Is she playing better? Yes. That can change. Nothing is final in tennis just look at how the williams sister domination is over, and how the belgian domination is over, and soon the russian domination will be over.

Nothing lasts forever in tennis. I say enjoy your favorites good fortune while it lasts because it will end. It always ends. Maria is riding high, trust me, she will hit a rock bottom low. Will you still be cheering then? Or are you a fly by night train jumping fan? I wonder.

Right now I love the fact that women's tennis is exciting. We have two big starts with Serena and Maria capturing all the attention with starlets like justine kim momo myskina venus jen and lindsay right along with them. Instead of bitching maybe we should celebrate? Funny thought that huh?